I mentor many college students who are actively deciding between 5D4, R6 and similar bodies. Yes I understand it’s expensive and yes I understand all those factors you put forward but many students in college at photography programs own cameras in this genre/level of quality. I know college students that own Nikon D5’s even. there is about 8 years worth of totally usable cameras for professional use or student use. However if you’re looking at buying a new camera currently I’d never suggest someone buy into a system that is possibly/probably on the way out. You also can still use old used lenses on this camera system via the adaptor like a $400 24-105 or $500 200 2.8 etc. that all being said, it’s my KZfaq with my opinions and we are here to gather multiple inputs for people making decisions and mine is just one of them. It’s almost never the case that an “affordable” (in my opinion) full frame body can keep up with the top of the line cameras available in the world, that’s the best reason to suggest it to college students. When I saved up from my retail job to buy a camera in college it was a joke compared to a D3/1D mark IV/1ds mark iii etc. I would have been stoked to have such a similar feature set to the 1dx mark iii for less than half the price.

@@BrettCarlsen to advise a student to spend all that cash on a 5dmk4 or an R6 is incredible. The Rp or even the R would be more than suitable cameras for students. They must have deep pockets.

Even better advise would be to find a second hand 5dmk3

Very welcome. Still new to the KZfaq thing haha glad to hear it’s helpful!

Don’t disagree. I own two mark iii’s and one R5. Many I know that work professionally prefer the higher resolution, myself included. Why I said what I said, my clients also prefer above 20 megapixels. I’ve worked solely as a photographer and filmmaker for 10 years now. Different markets and clients require different things.

That’s awesome!! Thanks so much!

Really appreciate this. The two can often overlap as they did in my career. Still a camera that can run right alongside the other top two cameras by Canon is awesome. Let alone a lineup (6D) that I never would have considered.

You’re so welcome man! I’m very glad to have some subscriber growth haha. So many hours of work and it felt like it never would happen.

I completely agree with your observations. I’ve found new life in some finicky lenses. (50 1.2 being one of them) and if you’re cool with 20 mp (I’d be too for weddings) you’re going to be so happy. I will warn you in my experience I feel these chew batteries a little faster than the 5D4, that might be subjective, just my non scientific observations. Seems like an important one if you’re shooting weddings for long days though.

@@BrettCarlsen Most pros I know use dual battery grips. I'm holding off on the canon grip as $349 is way over priced. My three third party grips all worked well on My 5D4's, 5D3, and 6D. I just shot a football game in 32 degree weather and took 1,300 pictures and still was at 50% battery life. Maybe the R5 eats more battery power.

I find the R5 uses batteries faster. Personally.

@@BrettCarlsen Just watched a video on the R5 by Tony Northrup's wife and she was getting like 200 pictures per charge on her R5. I know the viewfinder is a higher resolution and the 45mp processing must take much more power. I'm super happy with the battery life on the R6, but I will get a grip as I shoot portrait a lot and the grip makes it easier to shoot. I'm cleaning my studio and have listened to 8 youtube reviews on the R5/R6's and that's how I found your channel and with you being named Brett, it gives you a special treatment. 8-)

Well film had pretty high resolution. Probably between 20-30 and that’s 35mm. Many shot medium format and large format for a multitude of reasons but resolution being one of them (myself included). So that’s not entirely true. It depends on your clients. Mine want high res for their output needs. So even a modest crop on 20mp wouldn’t be enough. I agree with what you’re saying and shot with a 6 and 12 megapixel camera for years. However if there is no technical downflaw (crazy grain, slow speed, etc) I don’t have much to complain about a better file/more output options.

They are all amazing. Personally for my clients I need more resolution and many fellow professionals echo that sentiment (why many switched to Nikon D8xx series or A7R series) but I agree for many other professional applications 20 is great.

Yes! I love the 28-70 f2 so much. I personally find the files from the R5 to be very impressive though I have little experience with the Fuji 50R. The R5 will obviously be faster etc. both in FPS but also AF and reactivity.

@@BrettCarlsen yeah I think I will borrow the R5 at some point from Canon so I can compare the files but yeah that zoom lens especially on certain assignments is a dream come true

I second that. It’s the first game changer lens for me as I now rarely want my primes. I mean I still do for things but to carry one lens that does so much at f2 and so sharp is amazing for me. It’s a pretty big difference in resolution to me. I edit on a 5K monitor and it’s the first time I can zoom in and have more detail haha.

@@BrettCarlsen Exactly as crazy as that lens is I no longer need to bring three prime lenses and it’s a perfect example of how effective being able to borrow equipment truly is and of course they gave me enough time and I could sample that on real jobs to know that it’s worth the price

Yeah! I completely agree. I’m struggling to sell my EF L primes still haha but it makes the idea digestible. If I only had the R5 and not the mark III’s I’d probably be able to pull the trigger

For those uses it’s definitely more than adequate which I know is the reality for a lot of people. I was trying to set something up on my friends R the other day, amazing how many more things you can do on the 6 from the R. So I imagine you’re in heaven over all the other advantages

@@BrettCarlsen Yes, thanks so much for the video, I wouldn't have thought to set separate buttons for single AF and eye AF.

Sick! I have an AF setup and full settings video you should check out. Amazing camera

@@BrettCarlsen Already did!

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Thanks so much for the kind words. Means a bunch! It’s an incredible camera.

I definitely did not expect the r3 either. But agree an even higher resolution body will likely be coming. I’m so curious as to what the R1 will have. I’m assuming that will be the global shutter camera and in the short term the R3 is kind of like the A1/A9II direct competition but we will see. I also fear the R1 will have a very hefty price tag so maybe the R3 will be pretty reasonable.

@@BrettCarlsen Hi Brett, sorry I didn't see this until today! And yeah, the R1 will probably cost as much as a car.

Love it! Never too old to learn right? I’m a student of other disciplines currently just not smart enough to teach anyone on KZfaq yet. I did not mention it. I personally don’t use it but I did test it on some long exposures and was blown away. I’m pretty steady but was able to get usable frames of stars at 1 second exposure with my non IS 50mm handheld.

Hi Brett, Thanks very much for your reply. Did not expect it. I have not been able to do that, and I’m jealous. I will keep trying. Look after yourself.

Very welcome!

I’d agree. I would say the R5 would be a more overall noticeable upgrade as you get the added benefit of additional resolution etc. but both are very impressive and I’d you don’t need more than 20MP then the R6 is incredible too.

@@BrettCarlsen yeah I'm not sure I really need the extra MP. it is a downgrade in MP from the 5D but Its probably less noticable unless I really had to crop in , I really only shoot as hobby and for friends just like taking lots of pictures lol . I like the moveable screen and the AF system looks like a big improvement ... Thanks for the reply

Glad it was helpful! Sorry it wasn’t too fancy

I see no difference. The Canon EF-RF adaptor works perfectly. I use EF and RF lenses and both work very well. Highly recommend using it with EF lenses!

Thanks a lot for your immediate reply

That would be fun! Feels good to see people enjoying the content!

Glad to hear and I completely agree on 6 vs r I’m excited for that one too. Some may feel it’s over kill but would love to defeat medium format in a R style body

Those are hovering closer to 30. About 26 or something. Which doesn’t seem like a big difference but I’ve always felt they were low too but the speed and high iso outweigh that. Now that being said for journalism and similar these are totally fine. For commercial work, magazine work, etc. I have many clients and colleagues that all want higher resolution. Many friends actually dumped Canon in recent years in favor of Sony and Nikon due to them offering 40+mp cameras. Again everyone’s needs are different and many colleagues would be fine with 20mp. Probably should have clarified this a bit more. Still new to KZfaq (edit: I’m wrong. It’s 20mp too. As pointed out in another comment)

@@BrettCarlsen Thanks for replying Brett.

Very welcome! Probably should have explained better.

The 1DX mk III has a 20.1 megapixel sensor, according to Canon's website.

Guess you’re right. Well I stand corrected.

Very welcome!!

Megapixels is a big factor in my opinion for my clients. Voice tagging as well. I use that on 90% of my jobs.

Thank you! So the electronic is completely silent for one. Also it can fire at 20 frames per second as opposed to 12 FPS of the mechanical. However electronic shutters (this one included) can introduce rolling shutter which can warp or distort fast moving objects. Therefore I have not used it especially due to mechanical being so quiet. I will use it on film/video sets that I photograph on as then I will have complete silence and people should not be moving enough to distort. Hope that helps!

Very welcome! Haha they may be. But they are fast and hands free when I’m lazy haha

Hahaha someone had to do it!

I’m a little confused by what you mean. But camera is amazing and you could shoot anything the world with it and learn to be just like me!

@@BrettCarlsen Im bad at writing humor sorry Brett 😂.

Haha no worries!! You’ll love the camera though

@@BrettCarlsen I do coming from a 70D it’s massive difference. What do you recommend for video editing mind I’ve never done any videos work something I can use for small time video usage.

Davinci Resolve is free and very powerful. I don’t use it but it’s very full featured and great. There is a paid version that adds professional features but free is great for most people and to get learning

Thank you

Or should I go for a DSLR, personally I feel like dalr wont be a thing and my first Camera will be used for a good 3-5 years.

Anything on the market today is a great option honestly. This camera just does EVERYTHING well. So there is no concessions to be made. But seriously if you’re learning there is no bad options out there. Find what fits in your budget and make work non stop. That’s the most important thing. If getting this camera takes you 6 months of saving and the other options take 1 month of saving. Well then save for a month and spend 5 months learning. But I do seriously think this camera can take you through a ton of different things with 0 limitations and that is worth more money

I have used EF lenses on the R5 and R and R6. All work very well. I’d highly suggest them. Picture quality is fantastic.

Thanks for your immediate reply

R6 20 megapixels and Mark 4 is 30 megapixels than how will come picture quality good ?

They are both good. If you want higher resolution the R5 will be the way to go.

Thanks for reply, I want Mark 4 equal range in mirrorless

Yes. 100%. Most notably the 50+85 1.2. But yes. Some lenses will focus even better even compared to more modern cameras. Also 100% no issues with EF glass on RF in general. So don’t feel the need to instantly change that out.

@@BrettCarlsen seems like a win win! Love the channel btw.

I agree! Thanks so much! I’m trying to get back into making more content

Peg leg is my jam!

You can also learn on the R5 or rebel or anything. All amazing.

You can as well. I’ve defended the statement a few times on here. Multiple college students i mentor have asked me about and are shopping for the camera is why I suggested that use. Have also suggested it to professionals

Great question. I think the R6/R5 are better in virtually every way for photography. I’m personally a big fan of optical viewfinders and I’d still pick the R6 or 5 over my mark 4 (I sold mine to get the 5D4 and didn’t regret it at all). Edit: sold my 5D4 to get the R5**

Brett Carlsen Hey Brett, now I’m confused. You sold your 5Dm4 to get an R5 or do i misread your reply?

My bad. Typo. I sold my 5D4 to get the R5 and despite my liking optical viewfinders more than EVF I still heavily prefer the R5/6 to the 5D mark IV. Haha my bad. Get the 6!

Brett Carlsen thanks!

Brett Carlsen thanks man! Based on which criteria?

Ugh. I know. I tried. The one game I took it to (I don’t shoot much high school anymore) was a literal hurricane like rain storm and I didn’t want to destroy a borrowed camera. iso etc. I feel I would have no worries. This is NOT based on R6 but on other mirrorless or live view mode tests of canon’s cameras - I find DPAF does quite well in low light. That’s not real world or an opinion I’d rely on. Basketball you have the added benefit of being able to rely on face tracking a bit more than you could in HS football due to helmets etc. the camera is incredible so I’d venture you’d have no issue. If you’re explicitly shooting sports I personally find the OVF 1DX style cameras a bit easier to track sports with. Again that’s personal opinions. Many friends (and myself) have got great stuff with R5 and R6.

@@BrettCarlsen Thank you. I currently use a Canon 1Dx mark 1 and a 5D3. Our gyms are old and suck and I struggle with these two cameras. So many good vibes about the R6, I think i need to give it a shot. If all else fails, it will make a great wildlife and bird camera!

Your files will 100% be better. I can guarantee that. I personally think you’ll have fantastic luck with it in every other way too. But I’d rather under promise when suggesting someone buy a camera haha. My best answer is, if someone told me you have to work full time with R6 bodies for stills. I could without issue. And that’s saying so much for a “budget” full frame body. Personally I bought the r5 for my needs and clients, personally for peak action sports I prefer the 1DX mark III. But again I could replace them all with R6’s and do my job. Aka, you’ll be stoked. But definitely pick up spare batteries. Everyone I know finds they use more than other cameras and I concur. I use 2-3 for an NFL game. Including a lot of pregame etc.

@@BrettCarlsen That is awesome. Thx. I should have mentioned, I shoot with at least f2.8. Also the 50mm and 85mm 1.8 for basketball. Where do you shoot? I had a chance to shoot a couple 49er games a while back but no luck getting a pass for a few years now. I have 2 mountain west games coming up to shoot. I cant wait, since there is no sports here until 2021. Now if i can just get my hands on the R6 to play with at these upcoming college games! Be safe out there.

I’ve covered the NFL for about 8 seasons now. Usually do about 15-20 games per season. Normal years I also cover 6-10 D1 NCAAF too. But this year just the NFL and my normal commercial and editorial work. Big apertures help a ton with any focus system. Hope you like the camera! I really think you will. I love my R5 and still in shock I can shoot the NFL with a “5D”.

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