Interesting distinction. I would not use it. Fully God and Fully man reflects the hypostatic union. Fully God and fully man also shows that Jesus is 100% both, not 50% each. To me this is an argument over definitions. Fully and truly are not synonyms, but both are true.

@@cigarlovers999 Doug Wilson said "in Chalcedon." The Chalcedonian Creed ( A.D. 451) is "truly God and truly man." You do realize this, right?

I am responding to the claim within the paragraph which says "if you say Jesus is fully God, you leave no room for his humanity." That is what I was responding to.

@@cigarlovers999 That's what the Council of Chalcedon said. Dr. Sproul didn't make that up as his personal opinion.

@@carmensiekierke3579 If you will note in my comments, I did not speak of Dr. Sproul or the council. I addressed the argument only. It doesn't matter to me who said it. I disagree with the argument and I was addressing that, and that alone.

Low and behold....👌🏼👌🏼

Quite meaty!!

While these are both very busy men, We should still push for such an Edifying Idea! How great would it be to see these two Brothers dialogue regularly.

Profound!! Isn't it ? WOW I had never thought of it that way. Mind blown.

Weird huh? Pretty much.

Matt Mannucci Haha, why would you even go to the Reformed Pub?

Matt Mannucci - Yeah, I think they are eating themselves alive. I've never joined up, due to their awful reputation.

The reformed pub is ridiculous. They remove any conversations they don’t like - even healthy, productive conversations. It’s really frustrating.

Check out this blog article by Denny Burk: www.dennyburk.com/the-sons-willing-submission-to-the-father-in-the-pactum-salutis/ It helps fine-tune the issue to avoid the more controversial "ad intra" claims.

Join The “Reformed Presuppositional Apologetics” group bruh! We don’t accuse, we try to reason with you properly and plus you will learn a lot of Reformed Theology and Van Tillian Presup!

I love how a Lutheran meme video has become one of the most helpful and succinct methods of communicating about the Trinity/Trinitarian heresies. God has a sense of humor that is A++.🤣

Great video and teaching

I'm sorry. I know things like that are hard. Lean on the Lord for strength. Read and pray through the Psalms

There is only one saviour, not three. Who is that saviour? The Lord our God is one Lord. Who is your one and only Lord as a Christian? It is he in whom ALL the FULNESS of the Godhead dwelleth bodily; The LORD Jesus Christ. KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Before him was never any God formed neither shall there be after him any other God. JESUS CHRIST IS GOD IN ALL FULNESS, not in 1/3rd or in parts.

@@malachi7948you have a woeful understanding of the Trinity.

Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight!

I'd like to hear Doug Wilson answer that question also. Christian Reconstructionism ( dominionism) takes the Covenant of Works that God made with Adam and thinks the Great Commission is the same.....one of dominionsim. Here's an article by a professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. 9marks.org/article/can-a-single-person-fully-image-god/

I am sure you know this the basis is Genesis. In Genesis God makes man in their image, male and female, and gives them both dominion: "26 Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 5 is the second time it is mentioned: "On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created." We know the eternal destiny of all believers is to be a kingdom of priests (1 Peter 2; Revelation 1; Revelation 5) and they judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3). Humans will be like the angels, not given in marriage (Mark 12:25). This indicates they are both equally made in the image of God. Treasure/honor/crowns in heaven are not based on gender, nor are the spiritual gifts gender specific since God distributes individually by the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:11). Reward is based on what one does in this life individually. Logically, if it took both man and woman together to express God's likeness than Paul would not have encouraged celibacy to devote oneself wholly to the Lord's work.

the forgotten trinity by James white is one of the best.

Found it on pages 14-20 at www.crechurches.org/interactive/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/2019-Knox-Presbytery-Minutes-FINAL-11-04-19.pdf

Doctrines are never left out or changed in the KJV....for example contrast 1 Timothy 3:16 in the KJV and the NASB, etc....

www.amazon.com/dp/B075KZQD4J/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Indeed, they already debated this in print.

@@stockdj714 Thanks! Definitely putting this in my wishlist.

I think the Western understanding is of the Holy Ghost being the love between the Father and the Son, so proceeding eternally from both.

anselman Well, what I'm saying is what distinguishes them more generally or paradigmatically. In the East the very way they think and conceive about the Trinity is different, because they conceive of the relationship between God in Himself and the economy differently hence also the essence-energies distinction (strong distinction between God himself and his acts). The "nexus amoris" (bond of love) in which the Holy Spirit is the bond between the Father and the Son, is Western and particularly Augustine's conception. It is true that Eastern theologians generally reject such a conception (see J. Zizioulas), but that's a particular disagreement which flows from the paradigmatic and metaphysical difference posited above.

@Rodrick Evans The Holy Ghost is God. God is love. Do you have a difficulty with that?

Marcus Williams Luther and Lutheranism are not the same thing.

@@kylekutasi950 What is your point?

Marcus Williams you asked the question.

@@kylekutasi950 Yes. And you didn't answer it. Lutheranism and Luther are obviously not the same. I'm asking for some citation from a Lutheran source (of which Luther would obviously be one) that asserts "form of a servant" has as its referent the scene of the foot washing in John 17.

Marcus Williams again, your assumption that Luther is necessarily a source of Lutheranism is incorrect. If it were so, Lutherans would be Calvinistic and wouldn’t be baptismal regenerates.

Carmen Siekierke what about the debate they did 15 years ago?

Aside from the debate they’ve done on baptism this was also touched on in their last dialogue.

@@Rhuanjl I did watch the last dialogue. Do you happen to remember what Doug Wilson said about baptismal regeneration? It isn't Presbyterian or Reformed.

@@matthewmanucci Yes, I watched that debate several times. Doug Wilson said he considered Roman Catholics to be Christians. Considering Dr. White has said infant baptism is a leftover from Rome, he isn't the best person to address FV baptismal regeneration. Presbyterian and Reformed do not teach baptismal regeneration.

@bob 42255 read Acts 8:37 from the NIV

Jesus Christ is the LORD, the one and only God who dwelt among us in totality in fleshly form; taking upon himself the form of a servant. Had he already been a servant, God forbid this despicable blasphemy, then this would have been unremarkable, yet it is our Lord and Master who took on the form of a servant. His humanity is created, it is distinct from his divinity and is subject to it, yet his humanity and all divinity belongs solely to him. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:6 As he was in the earth, and as he is alive in heaven, all the fulness of the Godhead, not 1/3rd of it. And besides Jesus Christ there is no other God. If you do believe that Christ is He then you shall die in your sins. “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.” John 8:23-25 “Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.” Isaiah 41:4 “They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:” John 18:5-8 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.” Isaiah 43:10-12 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” John 14:9 “O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.” Psalm 136:1-6 “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.” John 1:10 “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Revelation 22:12-13 “And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one” Zechariah 14:9 “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” Revelation 19:11-16 “I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.” Jeremiah 17:10 “And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.” Revelation 2:23

Here's his statement rejecting ESS. Sounds like something he had thought in the early 80s and before. www.gty.org/library/articles/A235/reexamining-the-eternal-sonship-of-christ

@@CanonPress I think the issue then was incarnational sonship vs eternal sonship, not ESS.

If figuring how leads to heresy and has for nearly 2 millennia it's best to understand that we can't understand because we aren't God.

ChîRhôpher Lazarus what books could I read to get better clarity on this?

@@solideogloria3962 Read some stuff on refuting Monothelitism which I believe is the heresy that says there is literally only one will. Also think of Jesus in the garden saying "not My will but Yours be done".

And the ever-present anti-Trinitarian heretics! 🤣

Who are the true heretics?

How do you read the book of Hebrews? What's your interpretation?

I’m not sure. It’s maddening

Because the Holy Spirit was not the subject of discussion.

Cause it's not a person. Holy spirit is Gods power. He sends it our to accomplish his will . First century Christians were filled with the holy spirit . Jesus was baptized with the holy spirit. He was able to perform maracles with it

@@AstariahFox how does power speak ?

@@PurePuritan the same way it reveal information to jesus . He had Gods holy spirit on him Jehovah put words into his mouth At jesus baptism a dove ascended from heaven and holy spirit came upon jesus saying this is my beloved son Holy spirit was on the dove Doves dont actually speak

But they were based AND redpilled.

@@rockycomet4587 Yes, the pill of heterodoxy was so strong that it was red.

@@Acek-ok9dp Do you know what redpilled means?

There are so many to choose from!

Romans 8.9-11 supports Trinity. Baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, supports Trinity. Origin held many heretical beliefs and shouldn't be looked to as a standard of Christian orthodoxy. Please provide other proof sources for Arianism. The Church at large was so alarmed by antiTrinitarianism of Arians that they had a council. The Church at large.

​@@EJMJensen like i said, Tertullian and Eusebius are other examples of Arian views... and Origen is often cited by Nicene Christians for his contributions as an early Church father, so respectfully, you're merely cherry picking to discredit him, don't forget that even Luther was officially declared a "heretic" as well by Pope Leo X, Pope Pius XL, etc. ... so that word "heretic" is grossly misused. The theologian who first coined the term “the Trinity” was Tertullian (written in 213 AD to explain and defend the Trinity against the Monarchian heresy), and he said: "For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole" (source: "Against Praxeas", Chapter 9). Constantine supposedly won his battle for Rome with a prophesy from Yeshua which lead to the legalizing of Christianity etc. but yet, he NEVER got baptized until his deathbed and requested the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia to perform it in 337 AD - on top of that, his monument built in remembrance of that battle (Arch of Constantine) had NO Christian symbolism anywhere! It was instead very pagan! This is proof how he truly felt during 325 AD Council (wasn't a full believer yet) and at the end of his life was leaning towards what he saw as the true form: Arianism. *The Church at large* was actually VERY CLOSE to signing the FIRST DRAFT of the Nicene Creed which Arius and everyone else in attendance was onboard with EXCEPT ATHANASIUS... Athanasius was so determined to defeat Arius that he insisted on rewriting the creed to include the term "Homoousious", he basically sowed a fabric of division in the church with that assertion, and we're still trying to untangle that 2K+ years later... remember, the Reformation was only 500 years ago, the Church is still maturing and unraveling the damage done by Catholics. Lastly, the tables turned later on before Arius was murdered during the reign of Emperor Constantius II (337-361 AD), who was sympathetic to the Arian doctrine. Under his rule, Arianism became the dominant religion in the Eastern Roman Empire, and many Nicene Trinitarians were persecuted or exiled. Eventually, the political feud reversed once more when Arianism began to decline after the death of Constantius II, and it was finally suppressed with ‘The Council of Chalcedon’ in 451 AD. Arianism is not heretical.

How is that a problem for"Trinitarians", aka Christians?

I'm not seeing the point.

@@mosesking2923 Of course the Father has always been Father and Son always Son; "before" time was created by them and the Spirit. There's massive semantic confusion about Eternal Subordination. In no way am I denying the full and complete divinity AND incarnate humanity of Christ. What I deny is that Christ always had 2 natures. I wish I knew a more elegant expression but, "before time was created", the Son had only a divine nature. Therefore a change in the relationship of His 2 natures is clearly the case. Also, I do NOT believe there's sufficient clarity in Scripture to anathematize either Nestor or Eutichius. They may be wrong but some matters we need to be carful in declaring fully understood. Arianism IS a full heresy, and Nicea 1 is completely correct. Chalcedon went too far. When you declare victory after burning a straw man, all you do is spread smoke and make dialogue less clear.

@@mosesking2923 Nestorius was not a nestorian and the coptics which have many wrong theologies such as rank idolatry are not truly monophytes. Nestorius was slandered by the kind of straw man arguments often made. AFTER Nicea 1, the joining of state and Church produced political and monetary gain for those who could skillfully misuse language against their political rivals. It took a generation for truly faithful bishops who had endured persecution to be increasingly replaced by money and power hungry wolves. Not much later, the prostitute Theodora helped her weak husband retain the throne at Byzantium and immediately brought in full rank idolatry in the form of icons. I have not been seminary trained, nor have any formal studies in any kind of history degree. I happen to be a biochemist and professor of medicine so I know a tiny bit about single carbon human metabolism which PROVES the earth is less than 100K years old (probably less than 10K but I speak only of the science I am trained in. I mention this to be clear that I am extremely ignorant of ante nicene patristics. But I don't burn straw men. What little I read, I read carefully. For the most part I get my theology from watching anime, or listening to old soft rock songs. Sometimes, if I am terribly bored, I will read a little bit of the Bible. I do try to keep my Bible reading to a minimum because it is a very dangerous book; easily slaying the arrogant like me. The Bible though is THE most exciting set of books I know, The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls, and tenement halls. For most of history the majority of the visible Church hierarchy has been a parade of wolves in sheep's clothing as predicted by Christ and Paul. Be careful believing the experts. I am something of an expert in a tiny field of medicine, and the medical texts are replete with lies. For the most part "Christian" theologians are worse.

@@mosesking2923 Nicea 1 was put together by bishops who had undergone terrible persecution. They were faithful men, like Santa Claus who was thrown in jail for punching Arius in the face and legally could have been executed. Christianity had just been made legal and profitable. It was not until the next generation that the lust for power and profit began to grow. As to the Da Vinci code, PLEASE stop burning straw men! I repeatedly state my full unconditional submission to Nicea 1 and the great achievement by faithful men it was. Even at Chalcedon not much later there was still some level of reverence for Scripture. However by then the political intrigue between the 5 chief patriarchs was rapidly growing fueled by the money and prestige to be garnered from Marcian. Even at that council, they did not go completely off the rails and while I do not agree with Chalcedon; I can certainly respect it. As you go through later "ecumenical" councils you find an increasing level of power plays, politics and money culminating in Jezebel (Theodora) bringing in FULL open idolatry which plague the "Orthodox" and Roman Churches to this day.But I digress into more of what I know little about again. As I repeatedly state, I know less of the ante nicene "fathers" than about the green lantern corps of DC comics which has taught me much theology (I detest the term "church fathers" for there's only One Father but use it for convenience). However I do NOT burn straw men as in fact you are doing. I find it offensive that after what I have been writing you would suggest I have in any way shown any tinge of the loathsome Da Vinci or the earlier "Sangre Royale" (Holy Grail) book that preceded it. I am a very ignorant man because, the more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. That said, for you to continue writing that in any way I oppose Nicea 1 is an insult. I have made myself clear on this. I suggest you read a bit wider on how Nestor who did not express himself with the clarity he ought have and was maligned. James White has on occasion mentioned it, but he is a White man by color and name and currently such devils are not to be trusted by the woke. I thank you for appreciating my humor which is built of saying the Truth in a surprising way. For example, the crux (pun intended) of Christianity is that a Jewish carpenter built the world and is madly in Love with you. That is both True and a joke. As Tertullian would say, I believe because it is absurd. yes I know he went Montanist but still, I like Tertulian. He wrote a short book on patience and at the beginning he claimed he was writing on patience because he had none; thus making him an expert. Monty Python would hire Tertullian. Thank you for caring about the words of an old man.

@@mosesking2923 I will part ways with you leaving you the last words to avoid insulting you back in kind.

@@mosesking2923 the word of God THE FATHER belong only to Him. gen.1:3 and Elohim SAID let there be light (this is the Word of Elohim and Elohim BECAME FLESH so Jesus is now the WORD OF ELOHIM, not another God not another person but Elohim-Emanuel among us. The Word was ELOHIM John 1:1 JThe man esus cannot be eternal HE BEEN BEGOTTEN....By Elohim the HOLY SPIRIT

@kyle the verse is simple and the Jews perfectly understand what Jesus mean this is why they try to stone him Jesus was saying Before Abraham exist I AM = Jesus before is incarnation was I AM and I AM is the Father . Jesus been BEGOTTEN as a man but He is God the Father manifest in flesh, manifest in bodily form as the sacrificial Lamb and this is what Paul is saying in 1Tim.3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

@@michelhaineault6654 you are simply incorrect. Jesus is the logos, entirely different person from God the Father, who is an entirely different person from the Holy Spirit. Father, Son, Spirit. Three persons, one God. Please leave behind your false Islamic teachings and embrace Orthodox trinitarianism.

@@mosesking2923 lol so God is teaching I AM THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS 🤣 Naturally you are totally wrong God always teach HE IS ONE ( never three) you follow the Platonic trinity born in 325 ad The logos is not a person but God expression as seen in gen.1:3 And Elohim said ( Elohim logos here) where is your trinity of three different beings ??? 1Tim3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH this is not another person oh blind man ! Jesus is GOD THE FATHER and there is no other God, Jesus is NOT coequal with the Father Jesus is in submission with the Father so not coequal . Nowhere God who is the Father ALONE is saying I AM three persons but is name is '' I AM '' and Not as you pretend ''WE ARE'' God name identify who He is and is name is SINGULAR. Here is the perfect biblical proof that YHWH IS JESUS : Isaiah35:3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees. 4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

You are so blind that you compare my monotheism to the Islamic teaching ??? So the Jews were and are all Islamic, being all Monotheists mmmmm what a stupid comparison and don't forget Jesus was a Jew and a pure MONOTHEIST he call God is Father not is triune God (s) as you do ! So Jesus was an Islamic and a liars to call God IS FATHER AND OUR FATHER but not MY TRIUNE GOD !!!!

Better yet, leave behind all false mandmade Protestant denominations and enter into the single, apostolic church founded in the first century. So glad I left the heresy of Protestantism years ago.

Uh no, that's not what James White said at all. "Any of this" doesn't refer to the idea of the trinity but to the Bible texts he's discussing.

Andrew Craner @Matthew Gotham I pray blessing on your life sir. Taking these men out of the context they are speaking in IS the very definition of “bearing false witness”. Andrew should be ashamed and repent.

The specific wording is "Trinitarian theology". You can click on the timestamp and hear it for yourself.

Yeah but “this” refers to the relationship between father, son and holy ghost.

GOKUBENCH isn’t that what the Trinity is? Or do I have to believe in it before I can understand it?

You are correct www.bitchute.com/video/D5WcxOozzBlT/

That’s where you’re wrong, bucko

What a giant lolcow you are, just like the ones on the KiwiFarms!

No Christian believes there are "three lords."

@@rockycomet4587 But Jesus is Lord and the Father is Lord.Psalm133:3 It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the Lord bestows his blessing, even life forevermore. (One Lord) John 20:28 Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"(two Lords)

@@michelhaineault6654 They both are one.

@@rockycomet4587 not three?

@@michelhaineault6654 God exists in three persons.

This discussion was about the relationship between Father and Son

It's Elohim our Father and God and Jesus Father and God (as a man) who came in flesh not a second person of a triune god and as Isaiah full of the Holy Spirit say = isaiah9.6 or unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. JESUS IS THE EVERLASTING FATHER.

@@mosesking2923 Isaiah seem to have another understanding than your carnal thinking Jesus was clear John14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. the Father is the God of Jesus and all the miracles Jesus did was done NOT BY HIM but by THE FATHER IN HIM trough Jesus hands (Father manifested in flesh) Show me mr Magoo in your bible just one verse saying that God is three different persons ??? In MY bible God it's THE FATHER ALONE and never three persons. 1Cor.8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist ONE GOD THE FATHER NOT ONE GOD YOUR TRIUNE GOD OF THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS.

@@mosesking2923 absolutely but THEY ARE NOT THREE PERSONS BUT ONE! This is exactly what am saying only one God the Father who became flesh and who dwell in us by the Holy Spirit. Rom.9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen. Who is God OVER ALL ? JESUS Christ

@@mosesking2923 so all the prophets and all the apostles are heretics because they where not trinitatians but MONOTHEISTS and Mono= ONE never three. Your trinity of three different beings come from the roman catholic church born in 325 ad ! Eph.4.4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (where is your catholic trinity here????)

Lol

Charlie Renfro... Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that nothing created everything, or Something created everything? Please dont say you dont know

Cope

What a giant lolcow you are, just like the ones on the KiwiFarms!

Sounds like somebody needs to pick up a theology book.

If it was manmade, why would Christians subscribe to it?

@@rockycomet4587 cause false religion brainwash the members to believe it . Of course they will accept it . If they don't accept it then they be called a heretic or was killed many years ago

You pray to the Father in Christ's name by the power of the Spirit. The Spirit is the car, Jesus is the road, and the Father is the destination

12:09 God completely and fully dwelt among us in the flesh! not only 1/3rd or a second person of three, God forbid!

I think someone needs to chill. 🤣