Exactly:) Such a blessing for mind and soul in this crazy world.

@@sweetsue6177 Hi Sweet Sue, In the Sweater Vest Dialogue, I noted on numerous occasions how both Dr. White and Dr. Wilson noted how some passages would require careful interpretation. Once that is complete, both discussed how God's Law would be made part and parcel of the judicial system of government. Nevertheless, in one "Dividing Line" years ago, Dr. White initially opposed for a theocracy, asking, for example, whern that system was in tact, there was a "High Priest, but where is the High Priest?" Reported crimes in the Bible, according to Dr. White's exegesis of the Old Testament, required a High Priest to assess the legitemacy of the reports; however, as Dr. White also admitted, "Jesus is now our High Priest and our Intercessor." Logically, this means any "High Priest" crimes are brought in a post-Ressurection context implies the allowability of an "Alter Cristu," or another Christ, the same Roman Catholic dotrine Dr. White rails against. I believe both speakers are good-hearted and loving individuals, but miss the point of penology, which, Dr. White once admits in the past, demonstrates a need for a Savior. In order to lend credence to my former sentence, I direct you to the following video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p5yBiaV3p7mlqnU.html God Bless You! QP

Hi Jack Uber, Personally, I think the gay community would be much more comfortable with Reformed Christians who speak to them about how the Holy Spirit convicts and saves than a person who, while sharing the Gospel with gays, speaks of a governmental system with a penology innundated with exile and death penalty penologies that will drive them away! Back in the day, even Dr. White admitted that Christian Reconstrutionists quibbled over what did and what did not constitute appropriate punishment. Also, when the Bible says that we "turn aside" neither one way nor another when dealing with God's Law, it means precisely that. As Dr. White once asked in his pre-Christian Reconstructionist days, "Where are the High Priests?" For a refutation of the position expressed in this video, see www.reformedreader.org/rbs/tarba.htm God Bless You!' QP

@@QuotidianPerfection Though I cannot be certain of your true intentions with your response, I believe I may reasonably make the following inference. It appears that as many others before you, you have accepted and legitimized a community centered around a specific sin. Though it has been asked by many others before me, still I must ask would you be as accepting of a community centered on another sin -- say the thief community, the rapist community, or the murderer's community? That asside, you also advise a softening of the message, perhaps not even mentioning the problem. But, this also begs the question of would you not fervently warn a fellow image bearer that he was about to eat poison, fall in a pit, be attacked by an animal, or succumb to some other imminent threat? Is not dying in unrepentant sin and suffering an eternity of unremitting punishment not just as urgent, not just as imminent, and not just as paramount to a fellow image bearer's existence? How terribly unloving and cruel and sadistic and hateful would I be if I did not most fervently, lovingly, and forthrightly proclaimed their sin to them with the offer and promise of forgiveness and salvation provided through Christ's perfect life, perfect sacrifice, and perfect resurrection unto true and everlasting perfection in Him? You ask far too, too much. May our most holy, heavenly Father bless you with His mercy, His grace, and His wisdom through Christ Jesus.

@@jackuber7358 Dear Jack Uber, Thanks for the prompt response. I will reply as carefully as I can. You wrote: "It appears that as many others before you, you have accepted and legitimized a community centered around a specific sin." I think the term "legitimize" ought to be defined very carefully. If legitimizing sin means that breaking God's commandments, even the smallest one, necessitates divine retribution, then it is inaccurate to make such a statement, since James 2:10 points out that even the smallest transgressors, unless saved by the Lamb of God, will be sentenced to an eterniy in their Hell for their misdeeds. If legitimizing sin means reconstructing governments to align them with the Mosaic Civil Code, that's a different issue altogether. As Dr.White points out on his "Dividing Line," God, in the end, will judge, "so no one will escape justice. I think Dr. White is inconsistent, though, by railing against those who seek to overthrow the United States Constitution--something he is seeking to do himself! Anyhow, I believe all Scripture is God-breathed but the penalology for theocratic Israel does not have to be followed by governements today. I will expand my argument as I address your other concerns. You wrote: "Though it has been asked by many others before me, still I must ask would you be as accepting of a community centered on another sin -- say the thief community, the rapist community, or the murderer's community?" Let me say that every sinner requires grace--that is the message of the Gospel--or else he or she will suffer fiery punishment in the hereafter forever. You should remember, too, that, in the New Testament, Jesus talks of "greater sins" and "lesser sins." In the United States, the majority of states believe that those who commit premeditated murder are eligible for death by lethal injection. Those who steal from others, and are caughy, have their freedom and some of their rights suspended temporarily up until they serve enough time to repay for their wrongdoing. Rapists are given lengthy sentences because of the lifelong trauma their acts cause other people--and, in the event that a rapist kills a victim in the act, some individuals believe that individual should receive the death penalty. While transgressions, such as adultery, are also offensive to God and His sense of justice, authenticating them would involve a potential to invade everyone's privacy--and everyone would be in a frenzy. Nevertheless, such persons would still 1) not escape Chruch discipline if a Christian nor 2) judgment, as Dr. White says about all Biblical infractions, in the hereafter. God's mechanism for punishing wrongoing seems, therefore, to be Chruch discipline and Judgment, rather than exhaustive secular penologies. "But, this also begs the question of would you not fervently warn a fellow image bearer that he was about to eat poison, fall in a pit, be attacked by an animal, or succumb to some other imminent threat?" Of course I would! However, I think these are moral concerns, which have wider reaching implications than setting up a government based on theocratic Israel. In order for a theonomic system to work as it did in theocratic Israel, again, the law needs to be followed to the letter. Also, people need to be brought before a High Priest--the Levites were in charge in this task. However, since Jesus is our High Priest, how, as Dr. White once asked, can this system be executed? God is very clear how exact this system needed to be when intact: people were executed for "strange fires!" "Is not dying in unrepentant sin and suffering an eternity of unremitting punishment not just as urgent, not just as imminent, and not just as paramount to a fellow image bearer's existence?" Yes. All retrobates need grace. Nevertheless, there are many Bible-believing Cristians who think the same thing who are not Chrustian Reconstructionists. I think the amount of argumentation that goes on between the Cohristian Reconstructionist movement--and even those who oppose it--demonstrates that it is not a Gospel issue. I think that the New Testament stresses the importance of recognizing one's transgressions and subsequent need for salvation far more than it emphasizes the importance of establishing a theocracy. "How terribly unloving and cruel and sadistic and hateful would I be if I did not most fervently, lovingly, and forthrightly proclaimed their sin to them with the offer and promise of forgiveness and salvation provided through Christ's perfect life, perfect sacrifice, and perfect resurrection unto true and everlasting perfection in Him?" Wow! I must commend you on your eloquence both in writing and in rhetoric. And, to be sincere, I agree with that statement completely. What I'm saying is this--we have no epistemic warrant to move from contingency to non-contingency where theocratic matters are concerned and also that such a move may scare adulterers away from Christians for fear that they might be executed under a theocratic reign. The best thing to do is to allow God to execute justice. There are plenty of Christian scholars who disagree with reinstating the Civil Code and I can provide you links to such material if you choose. My personal experience is talk of theocratic states tends, at time, to divide the elect, and we should be more concerned about the Gospel than a specific type of penury system which is, as some interpret it (and I agree with them)--used to show the seriousness and degrees of disobeying God, and our need to return to Him and His Word. God Bless You! QP

@@QuotidianPerfection Big words, but I fear small ideas. Speak English, clearly, man of God. You're not a cypher code; you're an apologist.

Yeah, is that so? Doesn't sound like my book of Romans in the slightest. Maybe you're missing something Jesus says in between the lines. But before we get to that, what did David and his men do? You Calvinists have some studying to do. Remember your hermeneutics.

And how much love of God did you find in that bible verse that says God "delights" in causing parents to eat their own children? You know, Deuteronomy 28:63?

​@@gregbooker3535ummm I think you might need to re-read that verse😮

@@joshuafield8224ummm, I think you might want to read v. 57, a parental cannibalism atrocity which God takes responsibility for causing in v. 63.

⁠@@gregbooker3535 Perhaps begin at v.1 to catch the flow of why vv.57-63 were mentioned. The chapter starts off with the blessings of God through obedience and into the curses of God through disobedience. Context matters. Out of sheer curiosity, would you be pro abortion or pro life?

@@josiahpulemau6214 How does anything in v. 1- v 62 do anything to reduce the divine sadism apparent in v. 63? The curses of God are sadistic in their brutality, and nothing in the context renders the "god-is-sadistic" interpretation of v. 63 unreasonable. Try again.

Wear a fishing vest until you level up. It still gives you a +5 bonus when fishing for men, has a tactical look to hide all your boogaloo commander things, and smells better than the 1% Biker vest.

Why? Doesn't the Holy Spirit ever teach you anything? Or is the third person of the Trinity nothing more than a euphemism for "study"?

Just an FYI... Neither of these pastors believe in a rapture.

@@kellygipson8354 -- No, what they don't believe is that the Rapture takes place seven years prior to Jesus' final return on Judgement Day, but on that Day itself.

Since we don't have a theonomic party for which to vote, what should Christians do on election day? Stay home, and let the anti-God Leftists win by default? Isn't a partially right party better than an entirely wrong party?

@@gregb6469 - Stand for the convictions of your faith and the ethics that it is calling you to. If neither party fits the bill then don't vote for them. If the partial party wants your vote next election they'll take your ethical and moral values into consideration. However, if you keep giving them your vote to simply beat the "anti-God Leftists" every single election then they already have your vote and they aren't going to change. Vote locally, perhaps run locally or get behind someone you know is morally and ethically fit for duty in your local area and put them in place. Change your home scene and stop pandering to the Federal elections and offices as though they are the only thing that matters. Vote third party on the major elections until the "right" party takes your missing vote seriously and begin to once again pander and pursue your vote by actually taking on your values. All the while you're boosting the third party vote and maybe just maybe those numbers begin to go up and more and more people see a third party as a viable option. Don't worry about the immediate election as though it is the "most important election" but be patient and play the long game. Simply ask yourself what are the values of the right? Are they conserving those values or are they simply one or two steps behind the left? What fiscal principals do they actually have? To simply spend less than the left would have liked? That's not fiscally sound.

@@kellygipson8354 - Not even sure how that is relevant.

The first three feasts are fulfilled: passover (lamb killed), first fruits (Resurrection Day) , and weeks (Pentecost). The last 3 are still shadow type awaiting fulfilment (trumpets (rapture?), atonement (judgement of Beast?) and succot booths (when all come up to Jerusalem before the King Messiah). Beautiful.

There is other standard of truth, Jesus Himself, not mosaic law. I think Charles Leiter has a better understanding on the issue. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7qcoqVjzrOnp3k.html

Our Sabbath rest today is in Christ, not in any particular day of the week.

If poor Bonhoeffer said that, then, one or more of a few choices is true. 1. He said it in German, where it sounds smarter. 2. He was young, and didn't live long enough to regret saying it. 3. He meant it to be a provocative statement, to place the vision back on sacrifice of God's son, which had been diluted in the understanding of his people. 4. He didn't realize that free is even cheaper than cheap.

@@duncescotus2342 free is not cheap. If your dad gives you a lamborghini for free it doesnt mean the lamborghini is free or cheap. We are bought at a high price.

@Bill_W_W I think it is a green screen type thing. Just a picture of his office 😅

It sure as all day is going to happen on the mobile floating island micronation that I am building on the ocean at the equator in the doldrums international waters.

I think Charles Leiter has a better understanding on the issue. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7qcoqVjzrOnp3k.html

Bible doesn't divide the law like this. Listen to Charles Leiter on the Law of Christ.

@@benjib42 I just finished part 1 and thanks for suggesting it. God surely works in wonderful ways. I believe the Holy Spirit did a work here through you, me and this message. Thanks for your help and time!

@@darrensmall4313 God bless you, brother!

@@benjib42 and you as well

I think Charles Leiter has a better understanding on the issue. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7qcoqVjzrOnp3k.html

Excellent response. Sad I’m the only thumbs up.

Lol

And yet you keep clicking on his videos to watch. You sound jealous

Of course! That's his calling and that's what he does! It's his ministry.

Mission of God by Joe Boot. Basically anything by Rushdoony or James B. Jordan

Greg Bahnsen’s Theonomy in Christian Ethics

The great controversy is an excellent book

Tools of Dominion by Gary North

Nice answer. I think Charles Leiter has a better understanding on the issue. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7qcoqVjzrOnp3k.html

What are you struggling with? :)

Whites at home; Wilson is in his studio. That is most of the problem I think

KZfaq comments are the best.

Hey, I have a brother who studies film and has a cool camera, but what are your suggestions on how to fix the white balance? He uses a white card in front of the camera.

😄👍🙏⛪

Seeker sensitive clearly 😂

They're good. I've watched them all.

@@deniseadkins2901 you did? where can I find them? that sounds wonderful!

They are great. They are on James White's youtube channel. Alpha & Omega Ministries Under The Introduction to the Holiness Code. There is a play list.

That we are under grace and not under law is as true as we get anything from Scripture. It's an error to take from this that being under grace means there is no law for believers to follow. It's just as erroneous however to read the whole counsel of OT and NT scripture and think that it's the Law of Moses that binds the believer when Paul's writings and Hebrews militantly contradict that assertion. Believers are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, which is not a legal system but the new life that begins at regeneration and continues in progressive sanctification by the Spirit. And what is directly prescriptive towards this sanctification is the new set of commands given to us in the whole of the NT writings, while the old Law- which has been done away with because the covenant in which the Law was its covenant terms and stipulations had become obsolete with the institution of the new covenant that fulfills Jeremiah's prophesy- remains instructive to us over the holiness of God and the nature of our evil that just our very exposure to the commandments in the Law can and does arouse us to violate the Law wherever we are inclined so that the remedy that saves us involves being free from that system of Law.

@@MrVyrtuoso Good points...it is something many Christians don't think very deeply about, so I find it tends to lead into some level of false teaching or out right heresy...is all I really ment. "The Spirit gives life"

You can find it on SermonAudio dot com by searching for "Holiness Code for Today" and it's by James White.

There is also a playlist on KZfaq. Search James White holiness code. Same messages as the sermon audio minus one that was likely banned because it was on homosexuality.

kzfaq.info/sun/PLzOwqed_gET38HNI6V5U5k9NlKaHBfnZs

You can on the Alpha & Omega Ministries youtube channel. There is a playlist for them.

Wear a fishing vest instead. It still gives you a +5 bonus when fishing for men, has a tactical look to hide all your boogaloo commander things, and smells better than the 1% Biker vest.

Exactly. Galatians 5 gets to the heart of this.

Totah is not Laws do to, No Temple here on earth. We are to Torah, keep it in our Hearts as wittnessed over and over again. ECC 12 13 When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. 1 tim 1:5 Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith, Duet 30 10 if you OBEY the LORD your God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the Torah/Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL. Proverbs 3 3 Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART. 2 cor 3 3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their God. Jer 31 33 But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be my PEOPLES Hebrews 10 16 This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.” Daniel 7 28 Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Christ, doing the WILL of God from the HEART, Isaiah 56 6-7 And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP the SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT - these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.” ~Now you.can understand~ Rev 12-17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of God, and have the TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ” Rev 14 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of God and the faith of Jesus Rev 22 14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES.

53:20 "a curious Christian with an Open Book" if you don't understand the Milk you can't get to the Honey. You must first learn the basics, Acts 15, keep reading it to the end. LEARN the writtings From YAH/GOD given to Mosses ie Torah on the Sabbiths...

WhoisWorthy He lives in Phoenix he never comes out in the daylight.

Beau Hill lol!

The moral law is the ten commandments, John 14v15 JESUS said if you love me you will keep my commandments, what is sin it is transgression of the law for without the law I would not know sin, why do we need grace because we have sinned,.

Doesn’t answer my question lol

@@kieffergilbert6146 i think there were something like 630 ceremonial laws. Try and google them you might get your answer there ,

I think Gary North goes through all the laws in his book Tools For Dominion. Don’t know if he has a chart in it though.

Impossible. Any attempt would be pure conjecture. Impossible because there is no delineation in scripture itself.

@Brad Bowers Oh, really? I'm willing to bet that Pastor Wilson would agree with RC Sproul and other like-minded theologians that all laws have moral implications. Therefore all of the dietary laws in the OT would need to be obeyed morally because choosing to ignore them would break the first two commandments. Yet, in Acts chapter 10 we have the Lord tell Peter to eat animals that would be "unclean" or "common" under the Mosaic law. The concept of keeping the law is the same, but what counts as immoral did in fact change.

@Brad Bowers Alright, just so we are clear. I am not encouraging immoral behavior. I agree that there is a clearly defined morality that is stated in both testaments. The contention that usually arises is where the line is drawn from the Old Testament to the New. (I also haven't seen this video in two months. I might have forgotten the whole context of my comment.) It seems to me that many Christians who subscribe to covenant theology/post-milennial eschatology pick and choose when to say that the OT law is a guide book and when it no longer matters. To the Israelite who was given the covenant at Mt Sinai it was all or nothing.

The moral law is 10 commandments which Jesus and the rich man recited to Jesus yet loved his riches too much therefore he was committing the sin of idolatry and loving his riches more than the first commandment and wasn't aware of it. Ceremonial laws are in Leviticus - hand washing, etc which Pharisees accused Jesus' disciples of not doing. Not for cleanliness but Pharisees did over and over plus they made up some more. Moral law includes Matthes 5-7 where Jesus took us "higher" - such as "even lusting a woman in your heart is adultery." This doesn't mean "noticing a nice looking woman" it is a longer looking gaze and thoughts such as David did with Bathsheba which led to having sex with her, her getting pregnant, calling her husband home from war, and ultimately having him killed. This lust of heart leads to more and more sin. The ceremonial law was for the Jews. Moral laws are for us all. Study Matthew 5-7. Study New Testament. The 10 commandments are covered in there. I hope this helps. Btw, Jesus is throughout the Old Testament. I bought a Bible on Amazon that shows me all passages related to Jesus and was fulfilled in New Testament. Also, although he's not reformed, Mike Winger does a great study called "Finding Jesus in the Old Testament." Look his name and that title up on KZfaq on Google. It is like a Scarlet Thread starting in Genesis 3:15. It is so exciting to find Jesus, and see him in the Old Testament. He is there. Everywhere. It is so exciting and makes the Old Testament so exciting. I'd love Dr. White to do a study with the Hebrew roots. Okay, I'm done. I hope that helps. God bless you!

@@shellyslioneyes All of the laws are moral, The legal system is literally the definition of their morality.

the entire legal system is the basis of morality for the Israelites.

I think Charles Leiter has a better understanding on the issue. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7qcoqVjzrOnp3k.html

Penal laws? What laws are these?

@@6969smurfy Laws of punishment.

@@richardtallach7104 oh, I'm not seeing your piont I guess... for there is No Temple now, so they are instructions that makes it a Heart Matter.

@@6969smurfy True. There is a change in the law. The judicial laws including penal laws only apply in a general equity way to the state (Westminster Confession 19:4) and it is disputed how they apply, if at all. The ceremonial law is abolished by the coming of Christ.

Good questions, Only YAH can open eyes to see... All they have to do is get by thier Self and Ask for Father Creators help on The Matter

Edict 321ad

@@6969smurfy Scriptiure, not edicts

@@roadcaster9801 huh you ask why main stream Christianity does not acknowledge the Sabbiths, correct? It's very simple to see that the Edicts that Constantine inforced! Changing the Sabbath to Sunday, changing the Feast to the Pagen adopted holidays, plus destroying all their Scriptures... it's all there in black and white, 321AD 100% this is why main stream Christianity is following a Man maid Religion and Not YAH/Gods Will.

@@6969smurfy Agreed and aware of the Edicts. I asked the question of Doug in the hope that it may cause him to challenge his present position and recognise the deception of man made doctrine.

There are those who think that all old testament laws need to be observed still as exactly as written. No general equity. I forget what they are called now. It was a movement not to long ago but died quickly.

The difference is often a matter of semantics.

No mohawks.

Yes! Old and New. Paul claimed both.

@@caidtc4555 2Tim 3:16 speaks of teachings of Paul during Timothy’s boyhood- when many of his epistles had not yet been written much less the list of which New Testament books were determined to be inspired. To say this verse somehow assumes the future assumes too much.

@@marlam8625 You are wrong about this. 2 Peter 3:15-16 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. If they twist Paul as they do the rest of Scriptures it follows then that Pauline Epistles equals Scripture. To presume that the Apostles during new revelation, who make up the foundation of our faith along side the prophets, didn't know that their writing was inspired, or that Timothy was taught that only OT passages are good for every good work is laughable.

2Pet 3:16’s author (possibly other than Peter) tells us that he, Peter, knows of multiple Pauline letters to the Church- (possibly Corinth, Rome, Ephesus- total number known to Peter not mentioned here) and is exhorting the faithful to whom Peter is writing, (likely the Church in Asia Minor) not to be deceived by what Paul specifically wrote to them- because Peter knows that some of what Paul writes is hard to understand. Peter is writing to this specific group at this specific time about what Paul wrote specifically to them and warning them. (Any assertion that he or any NT author is writing for an audience beyond those to whom he is addressing is eisogesis - and a reading ‘into the text’ something that is not there. In the second half of the verse, he exhorts the ‘scoffers’ and ignorant not to distort Paul’s writing to their own destruction- “as they do other scriptures”. Present tense ‘do distort’ in verse 16 means that they are currently distorting scripture- there is no evidence that this audience has any other writings this side of revelation, beyond that which Paul wrote them- And since we know that they ‘do distort’ scripture, it can only logically follow that Peter is speaking of OT scripture. We know this because 2Pet predates the determination of the NT canon- the decided list of books that make up the NT scriptures. Any ‘futuristic’ gymnastics to say these writings were pre-determined is a reading into the text what is not there and a tradition with a small t.

@@marlam8625 Ah, now I see. Apostles and their writings are not inspired, but rather helpful whims and commentary on the Old Testament. Paul taught Timothy that only revelation from the Old Testament is inspired to equip the man of God for every good work. This begs the question of course because from your interpretation this means that 2 Timothy 3:16 is at best a tradition of man. And from what you just argued to assume that it has any authority or is written to you and me would be eisegesis. That is quite the assumption and self-refuting. Of course 2 Peter came from Peter. Coming from your perspective, I could see why you would ignore 2 Peter 1:1-2 as inspired and go at it from a liberal theological approach. From the way you are arguing, I would assume you might lean Hebrew Roots, and I assure you, liberal theologians do not agree with anything you stand for. You are like the Muslim who quotes Dr. Bart Ehrman to score points on a debate against Christianity. If they are twisting Paul's words as they do the rest of Scripture it follows that Pauline Epistles are Scripture. I need you to actually engage with this instead of presenting what you think logically follows. It does not. I will allow the readers of this rabbit hole to decide.