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This episode right here is quintessentially what this channel is striving to be for me. We see gear used in different systems, try to quantify forces that are involved, demonstrate a few ways to do niche activities for odd scenarios, in a half educational half entertainment way. I am kinda jealous of the next generation of outdoor enthusiasts having access to this resource.

Discovered this channel about a week ago and I'm loving it. Such a relaxed approach to all the content delivered with humour whilst simultaneously demonstrating the importance of proper methods and safety practices. I really hope this channel takes off in a big way, its soo different to the egotistical selfcentric content that seams to have amassed on KZfaq on the topics you discuss. At no point through all the videos I've watched so far have you given off the typical "I know everything and my way is best because I'm the greatest ever" feel😂 Even the way the videos are edited with all the laughs thrown in and the "ok I'm walking into frame moments" are brilliant! Really great stuff, entertaining and informative, nothing feels scripted or forced and when you try to script a scene and it doesn't quite go perfect you roll with it anyway haha makes the whole video so much easier and fun to watch. For the first time I'm actually inclined to support a channel financially as to lose future content like this would be a dam shame, really great stuff keep up the great work!

I love what you are doing so much dude, you took this tiny niche channel and it is blossoming into this amazing thing with so many possibilities I just cant wait to see where you are taking it.

Fascinating how the loading was pretty much identical at 5kg on either side of the repel line! Thank you for creating this episode.

This canyoning series is great.

My brand new Linescale 3 arrived yesterday. It's awesome! Thank you for spreading the word, Ryan!

!!!!!!THIS was a great video!!!! Really good walk-through the techniques and the stress on the system.

Love this canyoning series

Small safety detail (that some will consider too small to be a problem): The figure 8 block really should have a carabiner connecting the small hole on the figure 8 to the non rappel rope. Without that carabiner it is an “open system” meaning the rope could technically pop off the figure 8 and drop the person rappelling. This is at most risk when the block is being transferred to a lower or belay. In testing I have seen this happen on stiffer ropes although the rappel rope was not under a lot of tension, I always use the carabiner to close the system and then when I need to lower I open the carabiner to convert to a lower and immediately clip it back in when the lower is set up. They are technically fine in this video because they are going off that clove hitch on a carabiner they created to test the force.

This is similar to a technique used sometimes in caving called a Tyrolean. It is very much a last resort type of technique, as far as I understand, in rigging as it puts so much tension on anchors. Though in the caving world they're often tensioned much more pre use (not sure how it was done in this case so could be wrong) via some type of hauling system and then locked off. The way I like to ascend them is somewhat similar, using a combination of a top ascender and chest jammer (analogous to his micro and basic) with the addition of a pantin/another ascender on my foot to help keep it efficient. Tyroleans underground are used generally for the same purpose of avoiding a waterfall or rift where an alternative method can't be used such as a rebelay or deviation (a way of rerouting the rope). Those kinds of forces are super scary in a place where, potentially, rescue is days away!!

5kn it is something to have in mind... so much tension with that rescue technique... and normally the lower anchor point for a guided rappel is not strongest as you want, normally would be just 1 parabolt with luck... Last week I make a guided rappel to a big Tree, maybe if the floor is wet or something with 5kn it can be out of the floor and bye byeeeee.... Thanks for sharing all that info!

Progress adjust to hitch climber pulley with and arborist VT on “skate line”. You’ll be able to clip in comfortably and cinch up to pulley. Use a foot ascender, it will be more efficient and leaves hands free to work VT hitch (add hand ascender if needed for grip on line) Slacking skate line will lower the line angle lowering peak forces a bit. Rotate around to and use hand/foot ascender to come back the slight uphill on return. There’s some swift water techniques very similar to check out too. Cheers! Love the channel 🤙🏽

Some high forces but all within the the limits of the gear used .. super good enough

I would love to see you do some head to head canyon rope test, that is not just pull test but wear test and flexibility test as they wear out. I would also like to see wet rope weight as some rope take up more water than others. I do canyons that require me to take in 3 ropes, 80m, 60m and 40m so wet rope weight is important to me. Are the expensive ropes that much better and last that much longer than the budget friendly options. PS love your vids and the different content options.

Wow, there was a week of no upload. I was wondering why a video hadn't shown up.

Can you test weather friction hitches like a trucker hitch will slipp before the rope breaks

Any idea on the height of the drop and distance from the top anchor? Kinda surprised by the higher forces being on the ground anchor. I rig these fairly regularly on a 130ft waterfall, with closer (I think) to equal rise and run. I imagine ground anchor forces drop as the line gets steeper… if you ever need a tropical spot with tons of setup options for these and easy access let me know. Would be cool to see how the forces change with bigger drops and longer distances

So are we seeing a combine force of up to ~10kn on the guide rope?

Just for clarification, in the guided rappel the peak forces on the rope could reasonably reach up to ~10kn total, since the forces are occurring on both ends at the same time, right??? Fun stuff, glad you enjoyed the trip. Really looks fun. Did you take two cars and park at both the top and bottom, or hike? What kind of canyons are routed? Is this a newer idea or been around? Thank you, monumental work you have been doing for the sports and for search and rescue industries.

Don't get me wrong. I love the system of Ryan shouting out numbers as the video rolls, but with the Line Scale 3, would it be possible to overlay graphs of force data on the video in realtime using something like DashWare?

9:12 any idea what that beautiful blue belayer is called?

Pretty interesting. Thats more than i expected tbh.

Brent, could you have used your footloop to help get up to and/or stabilize yourself while connecting to the microtrax?

After seeing this, i think whats happening is like the american death triangle, that would explain such high forces on the anchors because the angle is way past 120°. Anyway this was a really cool video, eager to see more of this soon!

Saludos

Don’t get me wrong, i love to see the numbers. But this configuration is made so that you don’t have to accent the guide line. You can just stay at the bottom. Lower somebody with the guideline. And when he is going to hit te water you can block the guideline and tighten the rappelline with an micro-traxion creating an washline-effect. U could use this technique for climbing up the rope in case of an emergency and haul your victim up.

Basically the same as diagonal tension lines in rope access, right?

There are so many things I would love to do. If I only had infinite time to do them.

ooft that's well outside what we'd consider the safety factor for single rope rescue. Releasable abseil line at the top so you don't put two people on that tensioned line. I mean, yeah in-extremis you could do something like that rescue technique in the vid but it would be a very bad day at the office.

On minute 11 of the video, I noticed that they're using the figure 8, rapel device. My question is, is the figure 8, rated to e exposed to tension on those contacts points?

Hello, I'm curious as to how this guide line has been tensioned and prepared for release. I can see how the tension in the line is held via the locking hitch in the figure eight descender at the lower anchor, but that isn't a releasable component (depending on how tight the line actually is). I wonder if anyone knows what might be happening at this lower anchor outside of the camera view - something like a z-rig anchored to a radium release hitch or MMO? I know the upper anchor point has a releasable figure eight block, but I imagine this has been set up with a releasable component down by where the tensioning of the line took place at the lower anchor. Thanks

I'd like to know what his standard Canyoneering rack is made up of?

Answering to :what the viewer whats to see. Can you do videos with more advanced maneuvers. Stuff like, multi point traverse, multi anchor rappels, releaseble sistem with only the rappel rope, extension of rope, ascending with minimal gear and several gear, ringing ascending... with cordellet only. Show several ways of rigging a guided rappel, how to finish a rappel with a short rope, how to rappel a tense rope. Thanks for the video I always wanted to know the forces on a loaded guided rappel with and without.

What about a rescue when in the stream of water…two guys in the water would be the highest force would it not?

would love to see how strong is the italian block use for tensioning (8:38), I also use the following setup (wich seem to be less stressfull for the rope, but add more friction) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZOiiLuK0J6nYKM.html With a guided not too much force is generated, but with a real zipline I wonder if those setup are safe for the rope?

Isn't this whole setup a Death Triangle?

And, as predicted, zero footage of the go pro Haha!

Test ice gear

I don't really do this class canyon, but isn't that above the limit of a normal static line? Edit: Nevermind, just learned a quick lesson than a kilonewton is not equal to 1000 lb force.

gorgeous canyon, wet rescue content And Ryan shouting kilonewtonts, honestly it does not get much sexier than this!

I didn’t know 2 chains was that strong, thought he was just a rapper😏

10:04 man used your left armpit

This video is unfucked.

Have to say this was very over complicated and excessive man. So many better ways to approach this (either in a section skip / rescue) with the gear shown in the video which would have achieved lower forces and safer techniques.