great to know... what was the issue?

A comment like this was learned with pain…. 😮. Great advice, thanks.

Outstanding idea

agreed.... his love of boats is infectious... he wants everyone to be out there (safely)..

Thanks Aaron!

hopefully, by the end of this, you'll have a reference and a checklist to look for yourself... and know when it's time to call in a pro for a survey.... and then live the dream! cheers, paul!

thanks very much for the kind words. glad you enjoyed them... we're working on more this coming season. cheers!

yeah, it happens... life events happen and it gets in the way of maintaining it properly... we have seen it many times and it's not because the owner doesn't want to take care of it... just that they don't have the time/resources. This one could be brought back by someone with some muscles, a healthy wallet, and some tenacity.... which might be a little rare. Jim's advice is to move onto another boat that doesn't need quite so much love... thanks JL

Thanks very much… we’re going to be continuing it later this year. Cheers

sounds like a reasonable and practical approach. I'll definitely take a look. Watching the flaking come on and then trap the water in is frustrating... thanks!!

Thanks Cliff! Yes, this would be a big and interesting project for the right person. cheers!

great thinking. we had a plan in place to do just that with a marina in Maine but they ended up canceling it on me.... i'll try to find another one that is more eager to participate.... just might take a little time. thanks!

that's definitely a great way to dabble in ownership. In New England, the season is short, and the costs are high so chartering can definitely make more economic sense... it depends on what you want your hobbies to look like... and where you might want to sail... great point!

@@YachtHunters I've raced sailboats most my adult life but my back has limited my sailing but more impacts my ability to work on and maintain a boat. Formally of Chicago and Connecticut, i live in the south now where there is limited sailing so i now have an 18' Center Console to play around with the grandkids. The water down here in the summer is clear and warm. So if I wanted to sail I would charter. Seeing Jim do a survey and your boat Ran Day brings back nightmares of wiring and plumbing on past boats i've owed. Im too old for that now. Thanks, great videos.

Rent or charter to see if you like a particular style of boat.

thanks very much... glad you're liking them

much appreciated... thanks!!

thanks!

wow... thanks very much. that's great to hear

Glad you think so!

Glad you enjoyed it thanks!

Glad you enjoyed it

great to hear. thanks!

Our pleasure! thanks!

Thank you for watching... glad you liked it!

We’re working on it! Jim was sidelined for a bit and then had to heed the siren of the sea and took off for a few months… we’re picking this up in the next few months

There’s more on the way… just need to find some time when Jim isn’t in high demand (not that often!) and we’ll pick up where we left off. Glad you enjoyed them! Thank you

thanks mark!

thanks very much!

Glad you enjoyed it! thanks very much!

thanks for watching. We have more in the works so stay tuned. cheers!

great to hear. thanks

Great to hear! We’re going to continue the series as soon as Jim’s schedule allows 👍👍

The particular furler that's shown looks like a Hyde Stream Stay. It is one of two brands that were available in the US that used a solid aluminum rod (extrusion) instead of Hood's approach: A tubular aluminum extrusion with a SS 1x 19 (or "rod") headstay inside which remains stationary while the hollow extrusion rotates around it. Both the Hyde Stream Stay and Timmy Stearns' "Twin Stay" were born in the same place: Ohio at Grand River Marine (don't quote me on that, I never look things up lol), and both were solid aluminum rods without the now "de rigeur" headstay inside. The Hyde had a single luff groove slot and was round section. The Twin Stay was an elliptical section with two grooves (essentially one fwd, one aft) primarily for quick headsail changes but I guess you could rig it to accept two downwind sails simultaneously. They were very difficult and expensive to ship, being upwards of 55 or so feet long. They were considered very "high end" and were on many successful racing boats. It's pretty clear the drums were still flintstone back then, but this one is intact because they never used a wire rope furling line on it. Being solid aluminum, they could really take a beating; they were one piece top to bottom and would just shrug off impacts or bending worries. Were the rods threaded into the (316) Terminal ends? Nope. They came with an aluminum wedge that pinned into a "hacksaw-cut" that split the ends in half lengthwise. They were set into the terminals with lots of epoxy. If we had been less interested in following the instructions verbatim we probably would have used LifeCaulk, which is my personal favorite SS-to-AA insulator bar none. Or maybe polyurethane caulk except it wasn't well known or available in the stone age. imho, those are pretty immortal. The Head swivel is living proof. The end terminals use off-the-shelf steel thrust bearings and the only weak link is the Terminal cap shaft eyes (which can get crevice corrosion in the "bolt" part), which any machine shop could create, they're just eyebolts which connect to the clevis pin outside, go through the threaded disc terminal cap, through the inside 3-bearing stack, to a locknut. The aluminum rod isn't going to pull out of the terminals, it can't. Downside: Dinky size (frictiony) luff tape sizes, and there's no real way to keep water out of the top bearing terminal stack once the o-ring on the eyebolt starts leaking rainwater. I believe the top (water damaged) bearings are what's giving this furler a chunky roll. All good things got to come to an end and it's the same with the solid rod furlers. By the 80's even Hyde had gone to a hollow extrusion, with the Stream Stay Two, which if you have one it's past time to replace the lower t bar toggle with any stock t-bar that fits. The Hyde t bars are longer than std so you may need an extra toggle or two as well. Thank You.

Glad it was helpful! Cheers there’s more stuff in the pipeline from Jim.

thanks! happy 4th to you as well!

great idea... I'll see what we can do for the next episode in the series. thanks!

It’s fairly limiting (and also annoying).I’d add one other concern - most marinas won’t haul you without insurance… so it really becomes quite a pickle if you have an older boat… a speciality insurer seems to be the only way to go… I wasn’t happy with mine

outstanding... keep us updated ... and best of luck!

well said.... having a boat with solid bones and prioritizing the big/safety items... then progressing from there... and go sailing along the way too!

Good point . I have a 38 Catalina Sparkman and Stevans. It is built like a tank but there are issues. I have owned it for 5 years and most things have been fixed. The catch, I bougt it for 24K...

CQ never retires :-)

You're right about that, Marty... some of these things are so well made when philosophies about longevity were different. Yes, pull up for speed in order to accommodate those cupholders ;) your comments are always good for some education and a good chuckle. thanks, my friend!

sure. we're mixing it up a bit to get some different perspectives :)

I'm sure that Jim could add insight but stainless (like Nitronic 50 or similar 17-4's) are wonderful as long as they're already installed. But many riggers have a special place (look under the club) that they hide in until an owner finds Someone Else to replace it when the time comes. You just need to pull the rig and lay everything out in a yard when it's replacement time. Because why do it at all unless you're replacing everything from tangs to turnbuckles? That means take it all apart. Preferably before you find out that none of the stuff you have is being made anymore. It is so much more of a hassle than 1x19 that this particular job tends to get postponed until someone new comes along and buys the boat. So it is not uncommon to see 30 year old rod, or 40 year old rod with the same turnbuckles that were supposedly all recalled by the 80's. Fortunately, if you're just updating a furler, you can sneak a 1x19 headstay in there and not tell your friends. You asked about "stays". That would technically mean Headstay/ Forestay('s) or Backstays. But loosely speaking "stays" is commonly used to describe All the standing rigging, including "shrouds". Rod stays are relatively easy to replace in most cases, if you don't mind the huge new coils that need straightening out. But replacing rod shrouds will test your mettle, especially (non-articulated) shrouds with spreader bends. I'm mentioning this because replacing the rod on a used boat (for sale) could easily run $10k or more. Using the standard Boatyard formulas that is 2 to 3x more than a boat rigged with wire. Standard Boatyard Formulas are common pricing tools used by Professionals. Like: Any job will take 3x longer than anyone's wildest guess. Any job will cost 3x more than the highest bid, usually due to the wild card "whileyeratits". or the time tested: You will never see more than 20% ROI for money spent on a (ski)boat. For larger vessels divide that percentage by 2 for every 10' of LOA. So, a used boat with rod that needs replacing could be a deal breaker. Personally, I don't see Anything about this particular boat that would be overwhelming, including the SHOT side deck lams. This boat is a gem as long as the new owner is aware that there's a lot to fix. External chainplates are nice and strong and visible and exposed to oxygen. But they can snag on things like floats or OPBs (Ex-friend's topsides). Inboard chainplates rock. But Anything made of stainless needs a close look at 20 years old. Bronze chainplates are usually good to go, regardless of age. Oh, btw never, never, never re-use any turnbuckle when re-rigging. Thank You, not trying to hijack Jim's show; I would call him the last word on any situation.

Thank you Albert I’m fine. Just waiting for a CNN low to pass

Oops. Don’t know where CNN came from. Regardless Thanks for your note CQ

@@YachtHunters You're in a low? Depressed? Barometric pressure got you done? Huh?

Consider donation- a lot of old boats are bought out of donation go be stripped for parts or salvage- even a boat in fairly poor shape has a lot of good salvage parts. There are boat recyclers out there but they usually charge a lot unless there is a lot of salvage value as the fiberglass can’t be economically recycled and landfill costs are fairly high.

As a yacht broker of 30 some years I'd say that NE boats are some of the best. To many absentee owners in Florida. Also depending on type of boat a NE boat is often better than a Great Lakes boat where I'm at. Maintenance schedule in NE is often way better

Also FL boats tend to get used for a much longer season per year in much stronger sunlight compared to NE boats stored and covered in winter.

Yes... used for fewer months on the water, covered or stored for the majority of the year... less sun beating, less wear and tear... means that you get some older boats in pretty great condition in the Northeast region... cheeers

SAMS and NAMS are two of the main marinine surveyor accreditation groups up to 50 tons.

probably right at this point where the gelcoat is deteriorating so much that it's not serving much purpose other than creating more work (this is right around that point) thanks

You should be cautious of all manner of construction of masts on a sailboat, but that caution should go hand in hand with respect garnered by knowledge and not fear garnered by lack of knowledge. This goes for all systems large and small on a boat. Best wishes in the increase of your knowledge. Take care. Delve into specific inquiries to increase your understanding.

I was just reading a review for another Taiwanese boat titled: " Vagabond 47 Used Boat Review". In it, it states: "Last but not least, the Vagabond 47 was offered with either wood or aluminum mast. Wood masts were generally painted rather than varnished, because it is easier and less expensive. Spotting potential problems can be very difficult even for very experienced surveyors and riggers. Boats with wood masts are generally less expensive than those with aluminum, but the savings aren’t worth it if the masts are in poor condition."

it really depends... it's tough to beat the solid fiberglass hulls from back in the early days... they are bomb-proof and also will outlast us all if cared for. Some of the builds back in the day were experimenting with efficiencies (like spraying in chop strand fiberglass) so there are some older boats out there that won't hold up as well as others. The new stuff is higher tech and designed with efficiencies in mind... we prefer the classics with the heavy builds... but others may prefer the wider beams and more luxury accommodations. cheers

you certainly could... although it might make more sense to start fresh. i'd check for rust and any burrs that might be problematic first... starting with some fresh stainless cable might be easier than stripping off the housing.

Been there. I found the wire thinner and not as good to hold so I went with plain wire. It’s also a tedious job to strip the white off the wire.

@@mikepitzer6062 thanks

one viewer commented that this wouldn't deter him... so perhaps every pot has a lid. This might be a ton of work to bring back (and a good chunk of $) but maybe some industrious soul would love to save her. We hate to see great boats get sent to salvage (by the way, the boat from our episode #1 was recently spotted at a salvage yard missing the ballast... very sad moment). thanks stephen

@CaptainQYachtHunter: Sorry to hear this. That boat looked better than many newer boats. Too many people interested in instant gratification these days, I guess.

adobe tools (editing/etc) has been very buggy for months... so apologies if it's annoying. sometimes it just has to ship out the door even if it's got some ugly bits ;)

looking to mix it up and get some different perspectives... and learn a little along the way :)

Don't get me wrong, I like Ran Day n'all, and I like watching his trials and tribulations, but I've been watching since episode one, and without the captain and sea dog, it's "becalmed" .

did you see that $6,000 Bristol we toured? it was a pretty reasonabe deal... so it's possible... but not always easy to find! cheers

it is always sad to see a boat in a state of disrepair or neglect.... but I always (quietly) hold out hope someone will come along and save it. thanks

good tip :)