DON'T MISS OUT!! Scrounging Boatyards for Amazing Deals with Walter Schulz

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Күн бұрын

After chatting with Walter Schulz, Shannon Boat Company Founder and friend of the channel, he was telling me how he used to scrounge boatyards for the best possible deal - getting out on the water when he had very little money. I thought it would be a fun idea to get some wisdom/advice as to how to go about finding the best deal possible from one of the masters.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
03:19 Advice and avoiding the #1 mistake
10:32 Watch out for keel bolt issues
14:45 Wooden boat alert!
16:18 Make sure it's fun
18:28 Be practical - but don't obsess
19:48 avoid seized engines
24:50 A barn find!
30:49 A few final thoughts...

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@gregsage1605 11 ай бұрын

I could listen to Walter for months. I've rebuilt 3 boats, one a total kludge and two much better. Everything Walter volunteered has been my experience. I wish I had him as a mentor. He's a treasure!

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

He is… and gracious to make some time to chat on camera. We are all a little wiser 👍

@robertmcmahon1221 11 ай бұрын

Many hours have enjoyed looking at boats. At 82 I'm still looking. The looking was never a waste of time.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Hope you find one that speaks to you! Cheers

@autonomousindividual7780 7 ай бұрын

Your talking about women or boats;)

@jv2tv 11 ай бұрын

Love that guy. Shoots straight, no messing around.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

No time to mess around 👍

@paulschumacker9901 11 ай бұрын

Randy - you’re really on to something here. These are super-interesting and informative lessons that also help to assuage some anxieties that we aspiring boat owners have about inexpensive but slightly scary (because of the unknowns) boats. There are lots of boat KZfaq series, but this one fills a void that the others don’t. Many thanks!

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Much appreciated, Paul. I can tell you that the first period of ownership had me fairly anxious… but over time and getting up in the learning curve(with some good coaches) I’m much more able to relax and enjoy the process… and focus on fun… you’ll get there.. no doubt. Perhaps faster than I did! 👍

@para1324 11 ай бұрын

Knowledge, life experiences with sage advice. Walter is a man to pay attention to. Well done Randy. Thank you Walter.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Para, glad you enjoyed it

@RuthlessGaming5849 11 ай бұрын

Walter is a true blessing...

@tonysimi1776 11 ай бұрын

❤ I bought and restored 3 derelict boats over the years. I kept each one 5 years. Take Walters advice and don't wait!

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

You might consider changing your name to Walter Jr! 😂 you have 15 more derelicts to go 👍👍 cheers!

@tonysimi1776 11 ай бұрын

@@YachtHunters lol I'm 63 I'm done with derelicts! Wish I had the $ to buy that Shannon 55!

@Mark-rm2fp 11 ай бұрын

Randy I agree with Schu, you've found great niche. As one who is new to sailing and searching for a boat, these videos are truly informative, and Walter is a treasure.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Much appreciated 👍

@morgancmill 11 ай бұрын

Fantastically honest,Walter said it as it is!, good on him!

@buttrumpus 11 ай бұрын

Regarding waiting to go sailing, listen to this man! My wife and I went cruising in our 30’s (3 years ago), because I had a near-death experience years ago and we had nothing holding us back. Everybody we met that was double our age said the same thing: “I wish I did it when I was your age”. We sailed many thousands of miles and it brought us closer together. It won’t be our last trip out, but I can die tomorrow and I’ll do so with a smile thinking about the time we had on the water.

@YachtHunters Ай бұрын

fantastic... count yourself fortunate to have had such a wonderful life experience!! cheers to you two

@danmallery9142 11 ай бұрын

Wow, I love Walter. This was a moving episode and I don't mean anything to do with boats. Can't wait for his book and to get out there.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks very much Dan!

@sallyb3 11 ай бұрын

Walter is a treasure. Thank you.❤

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

@svselene 11 ай бұрын

This video was epic in its content and its message. I have a lump in my throat and a 1982 Morgan OI 416 Ketch that did exactly what Walter said. She spoke to me, and chose me. And so, I spent my retirement (military) to have her. Is she perfect? To my eye and mind yes. Does she need some upgrades and things? Yes. But those are frivolous and as she is, she will take me safely “off the couch” and out there to my dreams. 😅 Thank you for what has to be the singularly most important KZfaq “sailing video” folks should see.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

That’s very kind of you. Thank you for your service and cheers to you and a well-earned retirement on your Morgan. Love to hear your perspective on the labor of love. Fair winds!

@earlhunt2815 11 ай бұрын

Well said!!

@clayfarnet970 11 ай бұрын

It’s hard for some to understand that owners have an emotional attachment to their boats like a child or a pet. It may have a few blemishes, but it’s beautiful in theirs eyes. Hence the word ownership. 😂😂😂

@robertscholz4486 11 ай бұрын

Every time that I hear Walter speak I'm struck by the profound perspective that he has on life. I can't wait to read his book ... I'm sure that it is full of gems. Thanks Randy ... another memorable episode!!!

@YachtHunters Ай бұрын

thanks Robert!! I've heard the book is forthcoming after a few setbacks this spring... it's nearing print-ready completion. I'll definitely make an announcment when it's out. cheers

@paulbuttner6808 11 ай бұрын

I could listen to Walter for hours on end. So much knowledge and wisdom to share. Interesting hear his outlook is in looking for a good bargain boat. Thanks for sharing this video and all videos. Keep them coming.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Paul, that’s very kind of you to say. Thanks for watching!

@jt_lancer 10 ай бұрын

And he could talk for hours! 😂

@DBoy-ge5kl 9 ай бұрын

Awesome episode! Gives a whole different perspective for looking at and for boats. I have spent too much time looking for the boat with everything, while sitting at my desk watching youtube videos of other people sailing. I don't need a walk through transom with a wing keel on a plastic fantastic boat, I just need a boat! Thank you Walter

@agentdouble-osoul158 11 ай бұрын

I love Walter: straight talking, honest and down-to-earth, what’s not to like? What’s funny is that I’m surfing the web whilst sitting on the couch wondering if I’ll ever get back on the seven seas. ktf

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

You can do it!! 👍

@stevenmoore4078 11 ай бұрын

A lot of wisdom here. It was great to listen to Walter. Great advice.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Steven. Thank you

@gordonshaffer5560 11 ай бұрын

Great video and really great advice from Walter. I turn 70 this year and it's too late for this old man's body to sail anymore. You can take it from me, time is the great enemy if we sit and watch life go by before we know it, it's over. Make every second count while you still can.

@joeldelamirande5792 11 ай бұрын

Join a yacht club go sailing with others

@flyingpigforge 4 ай бұрын

I’m turning 70 in two weeks and taking a class joining a sailing club!

@Mikeandlucy1 11 ай бұрын

First video I have watched of this guy but as I listened and watched, I was ticking every box of my decision. At 69 years old I have bought my first boat, I know a little but not that much but armed with just the little knowledge that I do have, I have bought myself a boat that ticks all the boxes he talked about. She needs some work, we have been knocked back by some jobs turning out to be bigger than at first glance but we are making progress. The most important thing he said here was "seize the day" I have to do it now or I will never do it, so we are going for it, the thought of sitting at home watching the TV or pottering around planting flowers till I die just don't do it for me. listening to him talk I know I have made the right decision. I like this guy.

@YachtHunters Ай бұрын

kindred spirit for sure... great to hear you took the leap!! Your experience is like a lot of others, including myself, jumping in, uncovering some jobs are bigger than expected but enjoying the journey of learning and fixing and leaving it better than i found it. Hows your progress going? cheers

@VonBluesman 11 ай бұрын

Great video. I can’t go sailing without knowing about how Captain Q and SeaDog are doing, that would be impossible. Thank you. 👍🙏😎✌️🇺🇸

@melinda5777 11 ай бұрын

Your getting all your subscribers off HIS CHANNEL NAME.

@NonConfront 11 ай бұрын

Don't worry about the Captain, he can still be seen wearing his fluorescent cap driving around southern Maine in his Jag 🙂

@VonBluesman 11 ай бұрын

@@NonConfront Well if we don’t hear from him soon or he doesn’t hurry up and check in, we are all holding you responsible for not stopping him and asking if he needs some help. 💪🤬😱😂

@tomdailey5033 11 ай бұрын

Terrific video! It’s great to hear the man behind Shannon yachts. He built beautiful sailboats. And he’s right…get off the couch! I’m 64 and I can feel the inches disappearing, time to go sailing. Thanks again for a great video.

@claydanenhower9335 11 ай бұрын

Thanks, and thanks to Walter for reminding us to get on it today!

@MBailote 11 ай бұрын

What a beautiful approach to life this full of wisdom man has, so inspiring. Enjoyed every minute of it, DON’t WAIT!

@daveakabluewater 11 ай бұрын

I love this "what you wanna do is go sailing" ... so inspiring ... Walter Schulz is the coolest dude ever ...

@StormchaserIB 11 ай бұрын

Walter you are a legend .... I stumbled upon a Shannon yacht here in Australia when I was looking for a 40 footer a few years back ...I'd never heard of Shannon yachts and after a bit of research realised what a high-end beautiful built masterpiece they are. It was a bit run-down and not really suited to the tropical conditions of Queensland - Australia, so I didn't buy it. ... but it changed how I looked at yachts and was a heavy influence in what I eventually bought - but there is a part of me that always regrets missing the opportunity to own one of Walters masterpieces because the one thing I have learnt is quality design and build is where the joy comes from. So Randy PLEASE pass on my respect to Walter ... even as far away as Australia he's made an impact and his advice and wisdom on not procrastinating is SO SO true.

@YachtHunters Ай бұрын

will do, SC... I passed along your sentiments to Walter. He's very appreciative of the positivity. thank you

@seanmorrissey3103 11 ай бұрын

This is very encouraging... I'm a little surprised to hear someone like Walter say it's OK to buy a boat out of love, because that's what I've done (30 ft carvel-planked Hannah Tahiti with an all-rope gaff cutter rig, and yeah, it's my first boat), and it validates my somewhat impulsive, naive, budget-conscious, sideways-working entry into yacht ownership. Currently dealing with nightmarish insurance difficulties (including arranging a haul-out for a C&V after 11 years sitting in the water), and looking at quite a bit of time, sweat, and money to get her shipshape for live-aboard cruising... but it's going to be worth it. It's already worth it... complications and all, she makes me happy, and gives me a much-needed focus in my life. Sailing, living aboard, and cruising will just be the icing on the cake. Even if you're loaded, if your yacht doesn't excite and motivate you just being part of your world, don't bother.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Wow… sounds like quite a labor of love, Sean. Good on you for bringing her back and making it seaworthy (and live aboard worthy)… love to hear it. Cheers to you and your dreams!

@philipmayo8201 29 күн бұрын

@seanmorrissey3103 may I ask where/how you found your beautiful sailboat? I've wanted to learn to sail ever since I got my first and last taste in the Boy Scouts many years ago. I'm 55 now and live in PA and not close to the ocean. I'm a professional chef and not a rich guy by any means. I just don't know how to go about learning to sail and finding and buying my own boat. Problem being I'm so dang far from the water. Even if I did find and buy a boat where would I keep her? I mean, I could rent a dock far from my house but that means I can't keep an eye on her and check or work on her easily and I feel that would get old real quick, you know? I feel like my life is passing by and I'll never learn how to sail or experience being out on the water on my own boat. Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated very much. Thanks in advance for your time and I hope your boat is coming along great! Have you got her on the water yet?

@seanmorrissey3103 25 күн бұрын

@@philipmayo8201 I found her listed as an Air BnB while just searching for wood sailboats. Then she was up for sale on FB marketplace. I also live in PA, about 3hrs drive from the Jersey shore, but I usually work in NJ and have a "crash pad" at a friend's house in NJ, so I am sort of making it work. The boat will be out until at least next spring; much MUCH work yet to be done. I don't know yet where I will keep her after that. It would have been more sensible to wait until I retire and sell the house, etc so I could move aboard right away and go cruising ...but it was a miracle to find such a boat within a day's drive of home, etc ..if I hadn't pulled the trigger when I did, she'd be gone,and I would probably have given up on my dream. For what it's worth, I'd advise you to wait, maybe get a little trailer sailer and get out on the lakes of PA, and meanwhile save every penny, shop for the "dream boat" and make a definite plan to retire or change jobs and move closer to the water before getting a "project" boat. At 61, I felt more pressure to just get the boat, and having a 9-ton high maintenance mistress certainly focuses the mind, so I can deal with the scope and costs And I really love her. But DO NOT DO WHAT I DID !!!!!

@ChukaCustoms 3 ай бұрын

I love these videos with Mr. Schulz. Thanks for sharing your time.

@neilfonger2609 11 ай бұрын

Every one of my boats from 22 to 32 feet have been back row boatyard boats. Very rewarding. This video deserves a followup about educating oneself about the proper methods and hardware used in a marine environment. I've spent much time on my boatyard boats repairing bodgy modifications and repairs, and replacing hardware store fasteners and hardware. Some I've seen could've led to major breakdowns or hazardous conditions if not rectified. 7:38

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Love the Back Row designation… great opportunities there 👍

@paulshell1729 11 ай бұрын

Came for the boats, stayed for the commentary. Well done Randay...

@brownnoise357 11 ай бұрын

What a Great Guy. Thanks for introducing him to us Randay. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️

@pauldavidson2520 11 ай бұрын

What an amazing video and gentleman. Great job of simply letting him go with it.

@user-gm8ug1gw5w 11 ай бұрын

Just amazing advice for a life well-lived. Equal amounts of boatyard intel & sage life guidance from Walt. Hearing these words in the context of searching for a boat on the cheap is a balm for what ails me (and apparently lots of other folks here). Profound & practical. And Randay, keep up your great work... you're onto something important giving a platform to Capt Q & Walt to share life's lessons with us.

@jeffwatson4908 11 ай бұрын

Great camaraderie. Informative and entertaining…..as usual. Thanks Randy.

@SVBLUEBELL 11 ай бұрын

Just bought a vessel after this vid. Thank you great work❤

@bishopkinlyside8477 11 ай бұрын

Hi Randy, the definition of an expert is X is an unknown factor and a Spurt is a drip under pressure. Thank you for your videos. Good to see you’re using people with heaps of knowledge on yachts and boats. Keep up the good work Cliff from Logan city Queensland Australia 🇦🇺 from the big island 🏝️🦘🌏

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Cliff!! Glad you liked it and cheers to our friends on the big island! 🇦🇺

@karaDee2363 11 ай бұрын

Thanks we're bringing Walter back on, love the way he sees things and I could listen to him forever, he's a very wise man that says it like it is... Getting back to scrounging around, just do like he said, look for boats that have not been used for a while... And then look for a yard manager or yard owner and ask what the story is on the boat and then take it from there... Use common sense and don't ask stupid questions that would irritate the yard manager...lol 🍸🍹

@curtissmith2816 11 ай бұрын

Great video! Why does Walter Schulz always make cry? I found my PB 3 years ago. He’s exactly right, after 25 years of looking, I knew it when I saw it. It was a free derelict boat and took me one year of work to get into the water. I’ve learned so much in those three years thanks in part to your videos. Thanks Randy and Captain Q!

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Love to hear that, Curtis! Sounds like it was worth the wait and the work to get her in the water… what boat spoke to you?

@curtissmith2816 11 ай бұрын

@CaptainQYachtHunter It's a Southern Sails Skipper 20 from 1979. Not much of a boat, but surprisingly seaworthy for its size. We sail it out of Rockport, Mass so seaworthiness is important.

@YachtHunters Ай бұрын

excellent, Curtis, what a great portable adventure craft! That's some lovely sailing up around Cape Anne...cheers!

@philbradley2628 3 ай бұрын

This is one of the best episodes ever done on this topic. I was fortunate to have someone like Walter as a mentor, and boy did I love listening to his wisdom. I am still in love going through old boatyards.

@YachtHunters 3 ай бұрын

agreed... thanks very much, phil!

@jgarner1104 11 ай бұрын

Walter is quite the character. I'd go boat yard scavenging with him any day.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Yes, couldn’t pass that up!

@brandonboand 6 ай бұрын

Scrounging boat yards, I loved this segment! I hope to see you and Walter do more of this ❤

@davecopp9356 11 ай бұрын

Great video. Keep up the good work. You two are such great people.

@timothyhautman6039 11 ай бұрын

My favorite episode!!! Walter is such wise man. Thanks!!!

@stevemccormick4938 11 ай бұрын

There's nothing more expensive than a free boat.

@livingthedream669 11 ай бұрын

I also concur with all that was said. Thank you for having Walter on the show. He is wonderful.

@spikeythegamer2379 10 ай бұрын

Great video - enjoyed it!

@louisfbrooks 11 ай бұрын

I grew up around old salts like Walter and being able to learn from their life experiences is so valuable. Especially the value of experiences over money since most of them didn't grow up with any money. I would buy that Albin Vega, it seemed like a great boat. This episode makes me want to get off my arse and go buy a boat so I can learn to sail.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Yesss Louis!! You can do it… you’ll pick it up in no time! Cheers and thanks for the support as always

@HAHAFUNNY4 11 ай бұрын

Walter is Gold, great perspective on boats and sailing.

@braticuss 19 күн бұрын

Boats can be hard cheap with some hard work. It's the slip/mooring, winter storage, maintenance etc. that will add up.

@RoryL83 11 ай бұрын

That is definitely a Contessa 26 not an Albin or Alden. I know, I own a Contessa 26. All of his info about it is accurate though except it is 25.5ft long not 28ft.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the correction… you are fortunate to have a lovely boat.. cheers

@bloodyeyeful 11 ай бұрын

Wow. Thank you very much Randy. Blessings to all.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! Cheers

@ruairim7551 11 ай бұрын

Really loving these videos. Walter's life advice is great.

@patrickhorgan8389 11 ай бұрын

Randall, another great episode. 👍 Thank you.

@mattevans-koch9353 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Randay and Walter for an inspiring episode. Very sage advice on making every inch of your life well spent. Now to get busy following that advice. Take care, best wishes to you and the Captain.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Matt! Much appreciated

@ryansargent338 11 ай бұрын

Love this video!

@starcarrier1874 11 ай бұрын

Hey I really enjoyed that. There was so much more than consideration of used sail boats.

@flyingoflynn4057 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video

@undersail262 11 ай бұрын

Awesome video….love listening to Walter,

@mountainmandale1587 11 ай бұрын

Awesome information! This is a great video!

@sailragman 11 ай бұрын

Walter is a treasure for life and fun

@jeannem6723 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! My new favorite philosopher. What a outlook on life that man has!

@davecoleman6855 11 ай бұрын

OMG Walter just motivated my bike rides to the local marinas Yhanks for such a motivating video!!!!

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Go for it! Let us know how your search for opportunities goes!!

@madhousetoobah 11 ай бұрын

Such great philosophy- Love this one!

@robertclark504 10 ай бұрын

Great video thank you

@StaffordNetTV 11 ай бұрын

Could listen to Mr. Schulz go on tangents all day long. Great video. Hope Capt'n Q is doing well.

@AwsomeLifeofBrian 11 ай бұрын

My wife is a Mountain Girl! Scared of the ocean. Insurance co. wants me to take sailing lessons! Ha! I am retired and have all the experience I need. My Mother in law is turning 91! Margaritaville! Soon I will be sailing. This year!

@kipchicoria 11 ай бұрын

Great segment. Really enjoyed the information.

@svporqueno 11 ай бұрын

Awesome insights. I needed to hear this and can't wait for the book!

@AustinSwinney 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for making this, wonderful interview.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@DefaultUser61 11 ай бұрын

More of this Schulz guy, a real treat

@markwilliamson2795 11 ай бұрын

What a fantastic man......Thank you !

@BETTYRIDESHARD 11 ай бұрын

Gréât interview !!

@miked5563 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely great video. Cheers.

@gabidan 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this wonderful interview. Walter has indeed toughtful life (and boat) advices :)

@isolation2843 11 ай бұрын

What an amazing and inspirational video. Mr. Schulz your words really spoke to me. Tomorrow morning I’m going to look at a boat that’s been sitting on the hard for over 5 years. Enough sitting on the couch! Thank you!!!

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

You can do it!! Let us know how it goes… don’t forget to be kind to the boatyard manager 👍👍

@isolation2843 11 ай бұрын

@@YachtHunters it needs a lot of love. 84 Hunter 37c. Hull seems to be in good condition. Interior is a disaster. Clearly been an apartment for ants, mice, & something larger raccoon maybe. Found out it’s been sitting on the hard for almost ten years. Owner is open to offers, but hasn’t seen the condition of the boat for years. Lots of thinking to do.

@philipmayo8201 29 күн бұрын

@@isolation2843did you ever buy the boat? What happened?

@briandavidson2684 11 ай бұрын

What a great attitude to life.

@mudncrudstrom4186 11 ай бұрын

Love this guy. Need more Walter

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Would love to have more time with him 👍

@DarkandDolan 9 ай бұрын

This guy is such a wonderful personality and has a very practical outlook!

@0PsychosisMedia0 11 ай бұрын

This is what i needed to hear. Will reinforced my resolve to get to that point. Thanx Randy!

@whoyoukidding1 11 ай бұрын

Where is Captain Q?

@aramisorrel 11 ай бұрын

Is he okay?

@whoyoukidding1 11 ай бұрын

@@aramisorrel I hope so! I'm wondering the same thing.

@aramisorrel 11 ай бұрын

Perhaps he is busy running a marathon. rsrs

@NonConfront 11 ай бұрын

If you sit in the right place long enough, you just might see his comings and goings in his convertible Jag on the mean streets of southern Maine... just keep your eyes peeled for the safety orange cap! 😀

@USA4thewin 5 ай бұрын

man i love this channel

@ducatiparts966 11 ай бұрын

As you get older the years get shorter and the days get longer. At 52 my wife and i are buying a boat and going sailing. Love your channel.

@YachtHunters 11 ай бұрын

Yesssss love to hear that!

@stevewhite791 6 ай бұрын

Sage advice and wisdom. Love it. Sailing ⛵️ is magical.

@DrMott 11 ай бұрын

Classic wisdom and life lessons!!

@peterjarnes25 10 ай бұрын

Randay I'm loving this!

@ernest795 10 ай бұрын

Boat finds you. Best phrase of this video, possibly all boating videos of all time...

@YachtHunters Ай бұрын

we might have to agree... when it speaks to you, you know! cheers!

@DingleMcGilacutty 9 ай бұрын

What a great guy! He seems like a really fun dude to hang out with. I love northerners like him… You always know where you stand with them. No BS with a guy like that. Great episode!

@adammallerman8153 11 ай бұрын

Very enjoyable informative video but I think I speak for many people who've noticed it's been quite a while since the Captain made an appearance. Regular viewers are very invested in you guys and I think we'd really love to know that he's well?

@earlhunt2815 11 ай бұрын

I second that. I love the series with Walter but I so enjoyed Captain q too.

@mjbiren 6 ай бұрын

Came to this after the 4 surveyor videos. Can’t be more different. Those 4 scare you away. This one has you running to the water.

@scrumpymanjack 8 ай бұрын

Love this guy.

@o_oo_o1812 11 ай бұрын

this whole video is patrick giving advice to squidward xD

@danielsondavidf 11 ай бұрын

Hull to keel flex was common in pre-90s fiberglass sailboats, including C&C, Catalina, and other coveted manufacturers. The engineering design, materials were changed to correct/minimize these issues over time. Do your research first, before dismissing year models or making any offer.