Carbon wheelset - New brand , how good ?

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@boomchakalaka3715 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to you and gcn after 20 years I have returned to road biking. -4 in Brussels today but still did 30 miles on zwift. Your servicing videos are a life saver!

@randorecumbent 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that in depth review. Not only did I learn about the product, I learned a few new things about evaluating wheels in general, even after building a couple of wheelsets of my own over the years.

@chiefrocker12 3 жыл бұрын

Your videos are getting better each and every time. Thank you. Even though I may not be building my own wheels, this knowledge and your teachings are outstanding.

@urbanjungle9600 3 жыл бұрын

Wow your reviews are amazing - so much technical detail. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into your videos

@galenkehler 3 жыл бұрын

Really thorough, with a lot of good info.

@chapmag6578 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent, thank you. Looking forward to the video on how they perform out in the wild

@mikeh6286 3 жыл бұрын

Measure dishing after mounting a tire and inflating it. Dished wheels compress more to one side. It's said that tubeless tires compress the rim more and as such will change its dishing the most. Some builders offset the dish on purpose. Also, did you mount the endcaps fully seated? The drawback of having them removable without tools, is that they might not seat. Take care adjusting alloy nipples under tension and with spoke prep possibly washed away. They will bind and possibly deform.

@milybanily 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you in the gruppetta...hope we could do it again soon in Spain due COVID restrictions.

@biffabif7351 2 жыл бұрын

Just really informative and well presented - cheers mate and all the best from Berlin.

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanx and G'day from down under.

@Tympan 3 жыл бұрын

This is such an interesting video. Thanks a lot.

@2wheelsrbest327 3 жыл бұрын

Don't know why I watched this given I don't have the skills to do it, Might be because its always great to watch your video's to determine whether it's something I could do or not . Stay safe .

@kriterium123 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos

@wayneyoung146 3 жыл бұрын

Good day from Melbourne. Wife and I are both getting our road bikes changed. Giant and Liv. Gone are the Aluminium wheels for Carbon. About the same dish as the Aluminium Unbelievable how smooth the ride is Next is major changes. People say buy a new bike. We are people that like colour I have Aluminium frame and wife is Carbon frame. Both of us are really looking forward to the mayor changes that we are doing on the Road bikes. Also we will be asking to see if we need to take the bikes back into the shop for a whole check up on the wheels like Tension of the spokes and just a look over.

@mrGTD170 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video !!

@randyhale4181 3 жыл бұрын

The rear wheel must of been build on a Friday 😂

@LucianoDevoto 2 жыл бұрын

you deserve 500k+ subs. great content as always

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanx Luciano. It's a privilege to help people where possible.

@terbennett 3 жыл бұрын

Love the video! I have Mavic Ksyriums that had the blades not straight from the factory. No joke. In fact, these are better aligned than my Mavics were.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Thats surprising , especially Mavic.

@adaycj 3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who spent an hour or more with a new wheel checking all the details before mounting them on the bike. Nice video. A plastic ball tip or roller tip kit for your dial indicators would be a bit more pro when dealing with expensive carbon fiber wheels. Starting your dial indicator setup one turn in and zeroing the rotating bezel would be better and easier. It is pretty easy to loose 0.1 mm in the setup if you don't, not that anyone should really care about anything that tiny on a bike wheel.

@roneysilveira7606 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting and very good information, thanks for sharing 👍👏🏻

@jasonc3591 3 жыл бұрын

You should do a review on the Winspace hyper wheels. They look pretty awesome and I've been looking at getting a set soon. There are reviews done on them but I like how thorough you are looking at the details. Love your videos, always informative. Cheers from Canada! Happy riding!

@molfar9049 3 жыл бұрын

get hunt

@durianriders 3 жыл бұрын

@@molfar9049 who you think hunt source their parts from? 🤣

@molfar9049 3 жыл бұрын

@@durianriders it’s not about parts. components are more or less the same no matter what brand. however i was pleasantly surprised by how the wheels were put together and by japanese bearings inside of them.

@durianriders 3 жыл бұрын

@@molfar9049 where are the 'japanese' bearings sourced from? 😂🤣. Components DO vary wildly in quality. I've currently over 60 pairs of wheels and ridden way more.

@molfar9049 3 жыл бұрын

@@durianriders your parents sourced you from china. how can something be sourced from china when it has MADE IN JAPAN printed on it?😂

@gavinfinlayson485 3 жыл бұрын

Super video. Wheels interesting, same spoke issue as ICAN

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Its just a matter of attention to detail.

@syamsularifinmohamadyunus8144 3 жыл бұрын

Great sharing

@aaronwhiting7725 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent review, but one thing missing from your summary... how do those noted imperfections compare too the name brands? Overall comparison?

@996driver1 3 жыл бұрын

nit bad true for factory manufactured wheels still the radial true would bother my obsessive compulsive engineer self. Dishing is really sad IMHO. I love your detailed videos. I hope everyone caught you using safety glasses when destressing CF wheels! NO ANTIBITE GUARD was disappointing but OK overall. Thank you Scott

@elorz007 3 жыл бұрын

I have the exact same superpower of tightening rotors at exactly 40nm with an adjustable spanner.

@jshepard5840 3 жыл бұрын

Cheaper than the high end name brands, but still starting to get up there in price. Nearly $1,000 for the lowest priced set. I'll stick with my Super Team wheels for $250. Great wheels and for that price I can buy a few sets at different depths. As the saying goes, if you want to ride faster, ride up grades, don't buy upgrades. Update: I just checked and saw that the Super Team are $350 right now on Amazon. I bought mine while they were on sale, but at $350 that's still a great deal.

@treborparkes 3 жыл бұрын

How long have you had them? Thoughts on them?

@mizuofficial 3 жыл бұрын

Superteam is a vibe! Put on 700 miles so far, no issues at all. I ditched the stock brake pads tho, heard those were not that great.

@jshepard5840 3 жыл бұрын

@@treborparkes 2 years and they're fantastic. Still look great, still true as can be. I would definitely recommend them. They've gone up a little in price, but even at $350 on Amazon now they're still a great deal.

@jshepard5840 3 жыл бұрын

@@mizuofficial I'm still on the stock brake pads, but I live in Florida, so there are literally no big hills/mountains.

@chicoh22a 3 жыл бұрын

I been using my super team for about 3 yrs,about 12k miles,still going strong 🤪🤪 paíd $280

@glennoc8585 3 жыл бұрын

You'd expect bang on dishing Steve though for $1000. Luckily you have the tools and willingness to correct such alignments

@vietnguyen4312 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the in depth analysis, do you know if the components are all made in Korea or are the the wheels just assembled in Korea? I find that most rims are made in China and many hubs and spokes are made in Taiwan. Just wondering. Thanks in advance.

@raysclim Жыл бұрын

Very informative, 🎉

@shannonparker7404 3 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for the effort you put into these videos! Where does one purchase these wheels?

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Aviiav website

@hermesperezd 3 жыл бұрын

Buen día, excelente información gracias por su tiempo. desde Venezuela

@jlmagandelcerro2415 3 жыл бұрын

Start mounting tyre at the valve!? Thats ThE oposite to all recomendations I've ever seen, since the valve dosent allow the tyre bed to go into the inner part off the rim where circunference is smaller.

@danfuerthgillis4483 3 жыл бұрын

Got a pair of mid range carbon wheels from Aliexpress from a company that makes them there. I like them but the 60mm is a bit dangerous here in Southern Ontario with the winds. Was going to grab the 80 mm thank god I backed off. Much faster riding no doubt about it with the carbon 60 mm wheels.

@mrGTD170 3 жыл бұрын

It is true, when I road the first time 88 mm wheel . My average was almost 3 km/h higher .

@ribbyramone 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much more accurately (if so) high-end wheels are built (ENVE, ROVALs, etc)

@beachstart 3 жыл бұрын

Super video - Many THANKS! Just out of curiosity: If you want to straiten these spokes out to cut down the "enormous" wind resistance caused by the twisted ones, how would you do that? Do you have to completly rebuild the wheel? Is there a chance on correcting the dishing?

@wiggettyg2732 3 жыл бұрын

Love it how you say not expensive and not cheap - middle of the range.... then lay the price on us! Anything over $200 is WAY too expensive for me! :)

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Haha , yeh. As with most things there is always a price 'range' . Some carbon wheels go into thousands of $$

@kooshking 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting part on the aero spokes. The rim end and middle of the spoke has high angular velocity so the aero alignment of the spoke makes a difference. The end of the spokes that is nearer to the hub, however, has very low angular velocity as compared to the middle or the rim end. Do they really need to be perfectly aligned?

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

Majority of wind and direction is front on , so yes , blade spokes should be aligned for maximum aero efficiency.

@dldhkdwp 3 жыл бұрын

Korean wheels. Awesome.

@TheNationalTrails 3 жыл бұрын

True

@retroonhisbikes 2 жыл бұрын

My 80mm wheels makes the bike look faster, therefore i must be faster. Love the placebo affect of upgrades.

@ericabando3351 3 жыл бұрын

BLESS idol

@YaoHongChun 3 жыл бұрын

Can you show us how to make a home made torque wrench seeing as you don't have one yet?

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Much easier to buy one Yao

@twowheelsandcroissant 2 жыл бұрын

any links where to get these wheels from?

@philtobin9510 3 жыл бұрын

I bought a set of £500 wheels from Elitewheels, 7 of 8 decals were damaged and all they offered was to send replacement decals. I'm not a practical man unfortunately so this would cost me money to have fixed by my local bike shop....one to avoid: EliteWheels. Maybe I should have watched this video before buying them.

@markhaneklaus282 3 жыл бұрын

18mm internal appears narrow these days - 20 to 21mm internal should be the best for 32mm tires - go tubeless eighter

@IronHorsey3 3 жыл бұрын

Nice effort and love your work. I'm not a disc brake guy but moreso, I love quiet on a ride. Why ruin that lovely paraffin waxed drivetrain with a jabbering noisy wheel?

@elvisderblasehase9522 3 жыл бұрын

No Latex or tpu tubes?

@Megadeth6633 3 жыл бұрын

What do you think about those Pillar spokes? I'm about to buy some for my new set.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Especially for heavier,more powerful riders.

@Karl3377 Жыл бұрын

Hello. I really like your videos and that endoscope camera especielly. I really would like to invest in one. Can you put the camera through the spoke holes easily? Could you provide me information about the outside diameter of the head, the brand/model nr.? Many thanks. Regards, Karl

@stevenleffanue Жыл бұрын

It's a cheapie one from AliExpress - don't be misled, the video quality isn't any better on more expensive ones! Will have to get back to you on exactly which model it is

@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Steve, thank you for a good video. I have been waxing my chains for a little while now, and have come accross a very annoying and unexpected problem. I have noticed that the ends of my chains have become a little lose. And just as I noticed that one of the chains has dropped a roller at one end during waxing (the side plates must have moved just wide enough). Have you come across this problem and how would you prevent and fix it? It was a Connex 11SX.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Usually that is a result of cross-chaining.

@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue I run a 1x system thus it could be the source of the problem. I thought it might have been due to a too rigorous swooshing of the chain in paraffin during waxing. Should not be a problem as it is not under load during the procedure? It is a shame as it hardly "stretched" looks and feels almost brand new and has hardly done any Ks. I have found in one of the online instructions that all you need to do is just to replace a roller and that it is a fairly common occurrence.

@jonnythelegs2597 3 жыл бұрын

@@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding have you measured it with a chain checker?

@MikeRegrexion 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Steve, did you find the plastic pointers centered? I found mine always far from the rim on the right side unless I force the 2 arms on the opposite side. What kind of thru axle adapter are you using here...found the one included with the stand not so practical..

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Pointers rarely central as you true one side at a time anyhow. The adapter supplied should be fine...no spacers used when doing rear wheels.

@funk44 3 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Melbourne! Considering getting some new 46mm Light Bicycle wheels as the consensus online seems to be that they are good quality for the price. As you obviously know your stuff are you aware of the brand and think they are work the money?

@durianriders 3 жыл бұрын

If you ride in hardman winds DONT get such deep wheels. Stick with lower profile for max aero and control in all conditions outside of a wind tunnel.

@thomaspitcher3197 3 жыл бұрын

Light Bicycle frames are excellent and I'm on my 2nd one. Wheels are 8/10. Great all around wheels.

@funk44 3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaspitcher3197 Thanks mate, appreciate the reply

@thomasmoran1799 2 жыл бұрын

Hi I bought an ebike unfortunately a regular free wheel tool wont work as it won't fit over the electric cable,,,,any ideas would be greatly appreciative

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

Contact the seller Thomas. E-bikes can be a lot different than the regular bicycle with tooling.

@leedorney 3 жыл бұрын

Carbon wheels are faster, tho I punctured on the front last summer at 25mph downhill... definitely a close call!

@itsm3th3b33 3 жыл бұрын

So there’s no adjustment for the problems that you found with dish, tension and twist?

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Yes,I will fix them up

@humidor3 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. I’m quite jealous of the tools at your disposal. Do you have an opinion on the Chain Reaction Cycles v3 rr50 wheelset? I’m on aluminium wheels and thinking of a budget/entry carbon wheelset

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry,no, not tried those

@jshepard5840 3 жыл бұрын

I can tell you that I bought a set of Super Team carbon wheels, which are Chinese made. I bought them through Amazon on sale for $250 for both wheels. I bought the 38mm depth, but they offer them in several different depths. They are really nice wheels. I have over 8,000 miles on them and they still look great and spin true. And for that price you could buy a shallow set and a deep set.

@dtchua 3 жыл бұрын

When you de-stress the wheel and there are popping noises, what does that mean actually? Is it something bad.. something to worry about?

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

It means any spokes which are held twisted by the nipple gripping the spoke thread and rim will release that twist and settle with no twist tension. Its a good thing.

@dtchua 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue thank you! Cheers!

@fk8002 3 жыл бұрын

No balance of wheels ?

@alex_smallet 3 жыл бұрын

Can you install tubeless tires on these?

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Yes , tubeless kit included in price ,just state that is what you want.

@kevinwells1660 3 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't a destress have been done before they went in the stand. Seems pointless checking for wind-up then distressing to eliminate wind-up after.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Yes but wanted to show how they come from the factory

@muchmore344 3 жыл бұрын

dude you got all the tools but a torque wrench ain't one???

@IMToasts 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think your Yoeleo wheels would do better on this test?

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

I did test them out the same Marco...yup , they came up better but had j-bend spokes. Also the Yoeleo Novatec hub requires tools to disassemble and dust cap seals are tighter.

@IMToasts 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue Thanks for the reply!!

@fucktheworld1207 3 жыл бұрын

So a little grease is a must on the cassette body....some say yes, some say no 🤔🤔🤔

@danielbum912 3 жыл бұрын

I'd say if you've got steel cogs and an aluminium freehub body and you don't want to join them undetachably grease is absolutely necessary...

@aeromonkeybike44 3 жыл бұрын

First time to see a foreign guy is reviewing this Korean wheels. Many Korean riders who do not have enough budget but want to try carbon wheels select this brand. I am one of them. In terms of performance, I don't feel any difference from other expensive brands.

@glennoc8585 3 жыл бұрын

Do you know if the rims are made in Korea or sourced from elsewhere?

@aeromonkeybike44 3 жыл бұрын

@@glennoc8585 The company introduction says they are being manufactured in Korea, Taiwan and China.

@PhiyackYuh 3 жыл бұрын

Hows the wheelset mate? Worth taking a punt at getting a set for rim brakes? What brake pads does it use?

@glennoc8585 3 жыл бұрын

@@aeromonkeybike44 I'd wager the rim are made in China the hubs look like Bitex then the spokes are probably pilar 1423. The assembly could be Korea.

@richardggeorge 3 жыл бұрын

@@glennoc8585 I agree

@BikeSeatPhilosopher 3 жыл бұрын

I can dish wheels but that isn't what I want to have to do with a new set.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@thediscoman2001 2 жыл бұрын

ehat do they call the tool and wheere can i get one

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

You mean the truing stand with dials Tony?...Aliexpress

@thediscoman2001 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue no the black thing u used on the spokes, but iv found an stl file now mate 2o i am going 2 3d print one but many thanks for the reply

@tyhughs2215 3 жыл бұрын

I love my bamboo 🚲

@melbman43 3 жыл бұрын

Who else, having watched this went and checked their spokes to see which direction there are?

@kwacker45 3 жыл бұрын

Is it normal for the wheels to be like this out of the box! Seems pretty shoddy in some respects but good in others. If I'd bought them I'd have just assumed they were true..my bad

@danielbum912 3 жыл бұрын

They _are_ true.

@Desmo500 3 жыл бұрын

OK. 85kmph down P.... wait... sure. "...pants on fire."

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Easy to do on steep hills

@MrCairnsbryce 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who can't figure out how to order from their site

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

Email them

@janeblogs324 2 жыл бұрын

What's the brand? Your title doesn't say, there's no description, no links, never shown on screen...what tf is this

@stevenleffanue 2 жыл бұрын

It's all in the video... "Aviiav"

@HolmsOnBikes 3 жыл бұрын

Seems like an expensive price to not be using DT hubs.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing special about DT hubs

@HolmsOnBikes 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue nothing special about DT?!?!?!?! They're the most trusted hub in the industry. Absolutely bomb proof design. Can service them without any tools. Can find parts super easily. Can upgrade the ratchets if one desires. Don't have to go through the wheel company to try to find a replacement part for that companies "in-house" hub. They might not be anything special in terms of how common they are, but they're super common for a reason. I know if I saw 2 different wheel brands selling comparable wheelsets for similar prices, and one was using DT Swiss and the other had their own brand hub, I'd pick the DT hub every time.

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

Some riders here have had a few problems with their DT hubs. Also the spoke holes often too small to accomodate wider bladed spokes.

@michaelmusson3593 3 жыл бұрын

@@HolmsOnBikes very good reasoning I bought a set of carbon wheels my first set and it had the DTs I took it apart and noticed it was the simplest and most clever ratchet design I have ever seen

@HolmsOnBikes 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue never heard of that. That's weird. Wonder why. I wonder what problems they had with theirs. I've never heard of any problems with DT and the 2 cycling companies I've worked for use DT hubs/DT internals and out of the last 400 wheelsets sold, only 2 warranty claims and they were user error from incorrect brake pads.

@hansschotterradler3772 3 жыл бұрын

New wheel set is always faster, at least 5 kph. It's all about psychology of new equipment. Aren't these are a little bit heavy for a carbon wheel set at 1,650g??

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

I cant ride the lite set as they will break. Always had trouble going too light

@nihondragon 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue Another awesome detailed & information packed video. I still ride on DT aluminium wheels that came with my Canyon AL bike (3 years old) because I'm afraid of carbon wheels exploding on high speed descents. Based on your years of experience what would you recommend in changing to a carbon wheel set for a rider that weighs 83kg & 180cm tall?

@Abunnywrote 3 жыл бұрын

Nope.... Dtcswiss 60mm weight in 1600. If yo 50grams heavy...

@hansschotterradler3772 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue Breaking/exploding a rim will mess up your day.☹😨

@richardggeorge 3 жыл бұрын

Still too narrow! 21mm internal, 28mm external RIMs possible with caliper brakes.... You can go even wider rims with discs

@stevenleffanue 3 жыл бұрын

True , however going greater than 32c is entering gravel and cyclocross genre.

@richardggeorge 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenleffanue love your channel btw! The reason why you want wider rims is due 105% rule (28mm tyre width needs a slightly wider rim: 1.05*28mm=29.4mm) for max aero gains. See here for more info and a possible topic for another video? 😁 blog.silca.cc/part-5-tire-pressure-and-aerodynamics