'Clean your room.' - Jordan Peterson (2018) 'Ring your Mum.' - Carl Benjamin (2023)

Been watching Carl for many years and he's come a long way since his days of calling himself a classical liberal.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” The Bible

The most scaring thing is that so many people are not prepared to think outside the elites narrative.

Interesting how people in the media who appear to be against debanking for political views always prefix any comment about this issue with "Of course I'm not a fan of Nigel Farage but.....". The fear against an elite backlash for anything even appearing as a conservative view is palpable. They are literally terrified.

The circumstances for the common people in Britain at the time of the American revolution were far from ideal. So what the leaders of American independence were asking for was freedom from dominance by the same relatively small ruling class that governed British society. There is currently a widespread desire by the politically and financially powerful throughout western countries to return to a feudal system which would render them excessively rich and powerful and thus able to exercise every desire. A totalitarian situation generally unpleasant for every member of society whether under a fascist or communist label.

Growing up seven decades ago I heard conversations like this on the B.B.C. I understood nothing then beyond that there was world of ideas and those ideas matter.

"Just call your Mum!" "There is no love but the deeds of love." Ironically, It was Jean Paul Sartre who realised the fundamental and vital good faith in this. He practiced what he preached, especially in in respect of his ailing Mum whom he took care of instead of doing what his ego wanted to do : becoming a hero in the Spanish civil war.

Carl is very grounded.

British civility isnt only a positive. It can be a control against unpopular opinion. In the current climate the unpopular opinion is being suppressed because of our fear of seeming improper. The BBC is constantly gatekeeping and deciding what is allowed opinion. It could be that our sense of civility is holding us back.

Carl is my KZfaq Dad.

I never hear the woke preaching "'do unto others". Isn't that odd?

N. S. Lyons latest essay, "The China Convergence" is a must read to see how we have got here and how we are VERY close to being completely subjugated............

The "love of country" your grand parents had was what my parents had. Thet fought non stop for 6 years to stop a tyranny. My father fought in WW2, every male in his class died in that war. The women were either child rearing or working to ensure the success of war. The men in bombers of which 52,000 died, flew virtually every night knowing there was a greater than 50% chance they would die. This was fir the LOVE OF FREEDOM & the rejection of tyranny. This was replicated by the army, navy, merchant navy. What we now have is a bunch of emotionally & physically weak, spoon fed, infantile ingrate academic & indoctrinated types. The meek WILL NOT inherit the earth, they WILL be enslaved!

Here we are treated to Carl At whom some lefties do snarl But we on the right Regard him as bright We toast him, as Norsemen, with “SKAL!” To see me read lines such as these, You can, with the greatest of ease, My channel peruse, You’ve nothing to lose, In this way, I do aim to please

23:21 Banks aren't "private companies that can do what they want"; they gave up that description when they took heaps of tax money to bail themselves out.

This is the best explanation of the difference between the left and the right. Wonderful of you to present it. I'm 85 and this is the first sign I've seen that someone younger than I am has understood in any way what we have lost.

England and California. It's like Samson and Delilah. Somewhere, it is written that England will regain its strength one more time - sacrificing itself in order to pull down the Rainbow Empire.

People are already voting with their feet, leaving the cities and going to more rural environments. Society will continue to separate into the two groups, those that want the British way of life and those that want multiculturalism and diversity. Even within cities there will be two areas. separating the groups. They are incompatible and always will be.

Maitliss will get a bigger media platform, the two outgoing directors will get ( in addition to a huge golden handshake) better paid and more prestigious jobs. For Farage this is a Pyrrhic victory at best probably a draw in reality. Farage needs a huge payout to make this a win.

Wow ❤ What a gathering and I wish I could call my mum. I still can call my Dad though so thank you to Carl.

Good show. Lose the fake mics.

A Pedant writes: re squirrels specifically, they remember where they have buried the nuts. It does not depend on sniffing them out - it is actually remembering. They do forget a lot of them, but they remember more.

The most subversive thing I’ve ever done was to leave academia to return home and take over my family’s business.

What a thoughtful discussion, really enjoyed that. Thanks everyone 👍

It's going to go hot

Don't even need to watch the cast that sentence defines the last 30 years and probably the next 10 until they are dragged down.

Not a bad show. Worth listening to. I think Carl over complicates things a little but he seems generally on the right track.

The West is dying economically, morally and its civilisation to wokery & feminism. The "East & South, Developing" countries, everywhere where wokery, is not, is improving while going to plough over the West.

For England to survive we would need to recapture the institution's, including the church, become an homogenous society, where only homogenous citizens can be representatives of all the institutions. especially government, the positive representation of the country should be promoted.

Calling my mom after the stream, Carl.

CB's assertion near the end about theory and action - spot on imo! As a leftist for most of my life, I consciously or unconsciously asked myself, when confronted with a problem or issue or debate, "what is the correct view? How should I view this via the prism of socialism?" Which may say something more about me, but I do think the left thinks in this paradigm. Why Nogel Farage cannot be entertained as he is beyond the pale, so it is not possible to listen to anything he has to say, or anyone who supports him has to say. Theory is all. And lest any leftist demur from this, they are "revisionist" or some such slur.

MI5 seems to be crawling up and down the comments like a weed.

I wouldn't be more optimistic about Britain than America. Sadly, the supposed strengths that Carl brings up about the UK are also weaknesses. Yes, Britain is a more unitary state and British politics are more collegial. But that is because Britain has a more solidified governing class, and largely coming out of the same Oxbridge system they constitute a kind of gentleman's club. And no one wants to be thrown out of the club. Thus certain truths become unspeakable by the entire political establishment and thus problems become unsolvable. As many have said before, it's much easier to be a heretic in America. “But America is far more polarized!”, many will say. Yet if you look at the statistics, polarization waxes and wanes in America. It's certainly at a high point now, but it's historical ignorance and presentism that projects backward the current year polarization in the US onto the past. And it's that very same rough-and-tumble nature of civic action that actually ends up being a release valve. Then there's the pluralist advantages of the “marketplace of ideas” that Harrison mentioned which are inherent in a federalist system. “But the UK is a sentimental society and the US is a social contract society!” Sentiment is more ephemeral than contract, and never guaranteed a place in the political sphere by itself. It ultimately can be, and is being, ignored by a political class with a monopoly on power. As Hobbes knewt, far from being the driver of unlimited civil discord in the US as Carl thinks it is, the social contract, by placing centuries old boundaries on interactions between citizens, is in fact what prevents the “bellum omnium contra omne”. That's why when these boundaries are crossed, you have a tsunami-level backlash, which we see against Disney, against Bud Light, etc. Institutional capture is more fatal in societies where political power is top-down and entwined completely within those institutions as with the UK. Wheras bottom-up, grassroots civic movements, much as de Tocqueville understood, are part and parcel to American life. I forget who said that in the 19th century, Britain viewed itself as liberal but not democratic, while the US viewed itself as democratic but not liberal. The US political system at its worst is prone to demogoguery and mob rule, while the UK's at its worst risks being no more than a dusty museum of dead ideas endlessly repeated by cloistered, weak-chinned fools insisting on civility. One might clutch their pearls at the baseness of American politics and indulge fantasies of a second American civil war (The most free societies always appear the most chaotic to the outsider, and I get that it's comforting to believe that however bad off the UK may be, that at least the US must be worse. Schadenfreude, like cocaine, is a helluva drug.) but the battleground of ideas in the states means that millions are engaged and motivated in being part of the solution. They don't feel helpless and beaten down, as in the UK. (Just look at the Lotus Eaters' interview with Peter Whittle today.) They feel energized. And by the way, I've heard enough of how Labour voters talk about Tories to know that viewing the voter on the other political side of the aisle as an enemy isn't a distinctly yankee phenomenon. Ultimately, the only thing worse than a cold civil war is a civil surrender. Carl is pushing God mode cope, but he'll eventually notice the flaws in his ideas and change tack, as he did when he ended his “liberalist” phase.

Excellent interview

_"No YOU'RE the Establishment!"_ This is a W, they're arguing on our terms

It is important that a country has an underlining joint identity, an example of this is a Christian democracy, then the country has a joint identity which helps harmony and a shared identity within the society. If you invite the entire world to your country, and say you have no identity, then the identity which has the most children will just take over the country because such countries are vacuums, which inevitably will be filled. The Western countries eliminating traditional identities in the name of tolerance is one of the most foolish things any civilization(s) has ever done.

The libertarian argument in Britain is one and the same as the small-c conservative argument in Britain, which is "why is the government so damn big?!" Libertarian-bashing conservatives utterly miss the point when they straw man the whole "but muh freedom, build your own bank bro!" position. A million bank accounts closed in the UK by the big banks represents a massive potential market for someone. Why isn't there a new bank popping up to fill the enormous and lucrative gap in the market?! Regulation, compliance, regulatory capture, effectively state-granted monopolies. The government is too damn big!

Most of the U.S. Constitution is about insuring personal liberty. The Bill of Rights is all about limiting government, in favor of the individual. The Constitution itself, is a machine for decentralizing power, in the form of federalism and the separation of powers.

The difference between government tyranny and corporate tyranny is that one need not do business with the corporation - unless of course the corporation exists as a government monopoly in which case that’s really still government tyranny.

Western values are grounded in deep religious beliefs. Sadly, im an atheist, but I can see the need for a discussion of Christian moral teaching to be included in debates like this. As Tom Holland would say, it's all around us like the water we swim in.

Nice Episode 😊

Here's the thing, the whole "build your own bank" argument isn't actually bad. The problem is that there are mountains, and mountains, and mountains of regulations involved in operating a bank. If it was easier to start a bank (and it should be) then the market argument would make sense.

When people like Carl start describing the US Constitution as "the dead hand on society" then you know were in trouble, but I'm afraid it's going to take a little more than "ringing your mum" to get us out of it!

Our American Constitution was *intended* to be an anchor of our culture, but not one that cant be reeled in. It is supposed to keep our society within lines set in 1787. This document can be amended if we wish to change those lines but it is difficult, so as not to allow whimsy.

AA nailed it in terms of how old Nigel completely out played them.

Delightful young men, but they just don't get it when Carl says that theory comes after practice for conservatives. We are not trying to conserve theories, we are trying to conserve practices and habits, etc. We open the front door or car door for our wives because our fathers and grandfathers did. Never mind, why they did it, they just did it!

I'm sure you mean a progressive Hell. Anyways, Coutts isn't a private company, it's a listed company. You can buy stock.

Love Carl

Great discussion. And an interesting take on the Gad Saad notion of the "parasitic mind".

Common Purpose.

Give Carl a cushion for god's sake! 😉

Excellent discussion

Always love to see Carl

Authoritarianism always despises Democracy because Narcissism is the key driver of it's interraction with the World. How dare the consensus of the Common People not ratify the self evident Superiority of the Ruling Class

im from aus this was great thank you carl

Carl has not yet internalized the point Carl Schmitt is making. His point isn’t that it’s a conscious acceptance of the friend-enemy distinction, it’s that politics is that distinction. You can dress it up with “loyal opposition” but that is obviously not how it plays out long term. Nor does this distinction mean that you have two political parties at all times inside a nation that are at war with each other, through peaceful means or not. Often the enemy is external to your borders. There are many periods in English history that perfectly characterize the friend-enemy distinction, just as there are many periods in American and French and Continental history where the political enemy is external.

"A parasitic leviathan..." Hmm. Who could that be? 🤔 The desk microphones are a distraction, you don't need them.

Can't there be a tradition whose primary value is to conserve, as sacred, a free and transparent public square to debate any issue, including "who we are?" and "how should I or we live?" ?

We have to assert our Judeo Christian heritage and make it clear that invasive species will not be given special privileges.

Very good, and I did ring my mum! X

The thumbnail looks like Sargon is officiating a gay wedding.

We've only started to dig the ditch at the end of the SWAMP , Let's bring in a JCB instead of a tea spoon 😘🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Mm.. Guud 👍

I crack up every time I hear "membership scheme"! Not the word an American would choose. But, however sketchy the "scheme" is, I am signed up to it. And happy to associate myself with the NCF and very modestly contribute to sustain it.

Does anyone still listen to Alastair Campbell?

DISC - Distributed Idea Supression Complex.... (East) German has a better term for this ... "Vorauseilende Gehorsamkeit" Observance of a rule before it comes into effect but assuming that it inevitably will come into effect.

Multinational corporations looking to make profits

Are those fake mics ?

Why does nobody ever mention the CFR in all of this

I have so much to say and ask as I watch this video, but they will never hear it.....sigh

Sound quality.

30.40, well now- that all comes down to whether or not you believe in observable reality, doesnt it? and im pretty sure deep down everyone does regardless if they admit it or not....

The demise of the politics of cooperation among countrymen united by religion, crown, blood, soil, and history -- has a particular foreign genesis. You might call it a "Levantine" influence.

The 'theory' and 'action' debate is the modern chicken and egg... though since family predates language one must conclude theory comes second

When did the definition of Elite change? My 1956 OED defines it as “ the choice, the best”. It now seems to mean the richest and most powerful.

I phoned my mum. I see my mum every week. And I am 55

You miss something important about the US Declaration of Independence and Constitution. England had no need for such because it evolved organically over more than a millennium, but the US started as 13 separate colonies with closer legal and in some respects social and economic relations with the mother country than with their next-door neighbors. The Declaration was needed to lay out a persuasive rationale for rebellion, that could command support from New Hampshire to Georgia and did so by asserting that their rights AS ENGLISHMEN were being abridged by King George. The Constitution was a correction to the 1777 Articles of Confederation, which was in essence a contract or compact among the 13 newly (declared) independent states (former colonies). Such a contract was necessary for any collective action--not the situation in England, tho maybe like the Act of Union that dealt with creating one state out of two. The Articles proved unworkable because the central government was too weak to perform its most basic duty of mutual defense against a still hostile Britain and potential threats from others, esp. France and Spain. The Constitutional Convention was convened to recommend how to amend the Articles but its members quickly concluded it would be better to start over. The basic powers to raise an army and a navy inevitably raised issues of how they would be commanded and financed, and it was obvious that such powers needed to be balanced in order to preserve those rights in the Declaration, that underpinned the whole enterprise of being an independent nation. Especially in that the financial powers of the national government had to be balanced against the fact that the Revolution had started as a tax revolt. A written contract or compact was necessary for the US in a way that does not apply to England--but does, to a degree, to the United Kingdom. Written Constitutions in other countries are often needed as a consequence of revolutionary change, either a revolution, proper, or independence from colonial rule, where there is no organic consensus and maybe not even an organic polity, but there must be a basis for forming a government and defining its powers. To the extent England and Britain manage without a written Constitution, they are an outlier... maybe a blessed one.

talk about being over technical regarding as obvious problem with an obvious solution

Guys, if you're gonna have a guest on pls let him speak...

What is “A politically motivated act to cause injury to a person or organisation ?”

LOVE yer name, boys.

The American Revolution wasn’t a Revolution: discuss.

I want the t-shirt: Call your Mum -Carl Benjamin

i paused at 0:06 because nature reasons and coming back i paused the video at a young lad that looks like a robot that hasnt been turned on its creepy what happens when you sometimes pause the video's on youtube.

I think hes wrong to say that you can put it squarely on some cabal of elites, as if we the people are not participants in social pathology.

The sound was pretty bad

Step N° 1 is moving out of mom's house, then you can call mum and rebuild civilization 👌🏻

"Call your Mum. Grug is right but doesn't know why he's right; super-IQ guy knows why Grug is right" Yes. "Call your Mum" is known as a "dogma".

I like Carl, I'm a subscriber to the Lotus Eaters, which I'm sure many of this audience is as well, but I do find that he has a problem in that he's just a little too intellectual for his own good. Does the average person working in a factory or call centre understand the Burkean definition of conservatism? Or Schmitt's Friend Enemy distinction? He does a very good job at connecting with the graduate class, but we need someone the working class can get behind, not high brow conversations, or some posh kid from London such as the presenter of this program, we need someone with Carl's knowledge but with the ability to break it down to pub talk.

All these banks have egg on their face, is that why egg prices are so high?

They are trapped in here with us.

This is really good, but if you want max success get the sound and set 100%. Joe Rogan in his old lair is the bar. Triggernometry also good.

To the guy on the left - yeah, no one cares whether you agree or not.

People need to be told to call their mother * once a week* ?!?!? The West has fallen. That said, Carl is exactly right. Call your mom.

Evan Riggs - rightwing progressives. A great point! There are pkenty of these, especially in the alleged Conservative party.

All men are created equal. Boy, that's not what we observe. Differences in capability, competence and consistency at a personal, social and cultural level, will ensure that there is never equality. All men should be treated equally is a much more realizable position.

"Why does 'it' act?" The Leviathan. Love it. Woke working as a hive mind that does not need to be organised. This is after a time the Karens have run amok - they are in the limb ripping apart stage of the Bacchic frenzy. Something needs to be done..

I would love people to have their woke utopia, but only if we dont have to come and do the reality work and provide the physical stuff.

Sometimes I think that you should speak in plain language and stop using fancy-pansy words, so that you all can all out-do each other with your over-educated language, that can get very boring and wearing!! Good Luck!!