Cash for courses: UK universities taking foreign students on low grades | Sunday Times Investigation

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The Times and The Sunday Times

Күн бұрын

Britain’s top universities are paying middlemen to recruit lucrative overseas students on far lower grades than those required of UK applicants, an undercover investigation has revealed.
Foreign students can buy their way on to highly competitive degree courses with as little as a handful of C grades at GCSE. The courses require British students to have A or A* grades at A-level.
Representatives of the elite Russell Group universities were secretly filmed discussing the “back door” routes used to recruit overseas students, who pay much higher fees than their UK counterparts.
One recruitment official representing four Russell Group universities laughed as he told undercover reporters: “If you can take the lift, why go through the hardest route?”
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@melaniepemberton2882
@melaniepemberton2882 3 ай бұрын
This is a very old story. I did a Master's degree in Sheffield in the early nineties; it was full of Chinese students who could barely speak English. None of them failed to graduate.
@davidbowl9650
@davidbowl9650 3 ай бұрын
I have a group project at my uni and my group can’t speak English. Nice people for sure. But they literally can’t speak English
@investigativenews5803
@investigativenews5803 3 ай бұрын
@@davidbowl9650tell them to eff off 😂
@iamthe1234567890
@iamthe1234567890 3 ай бұрын
That's not because the professors passed bad essays. It's because the students paid people to write good essays. That money goes into the British economy. And the students who can't speak English after 3 years isn't going to get a job here, so they go back to their own countries, and has no effect on us. Tell me, what exactly is so bad about this?
@stain4128
@stain4128 3 ай бұрын
@@iamthe1234567890because people who did well in exams (worked hard) have less opportunity’s to get in
@Aminur48
@Aminur48 3 ай бұрын
​@@iamthe1234567890taking spaces from British students? Also lowering the quality of the education and institutions? Making the degree useless?
@mofojohnson1
@mofojohnson1 3 ай бұрын
The whole university system needs an overhaul
@steveevans3641
@steveevans3641 3 ай бұрын
Lot more corruption since they privatised the whole system ini! Wonder how that happened
@ggs22364
@ggs22364 3 ай бұрын
I agree. Not only is this bad but the actual teaching is awful and not worth the time let alone the domestic feeds.
@Krilium
@Krilium 3 ай бұрын
Imagine if this country started taking care of its own citizens 🤯
@missg300
@missg300 3 ай бұрын
very disappointing but not surprising.the UK really is fcuked 👎
@TL-ph5wg
@TL-ph5wg 3 ай бұрын
So Chinese international students are able to pass an English degree course barely able to speak the language as long as they pay.😊
@iancoles1349
@iancoles1349 2 ай бұрын
Yes ask Swansea uni old school lectures it stunk.
@mrboyban
@mrboyban 3 ай бұрын
I'm a mature student with duo citizenship. Applied last year for Sheffield CS in clearing. They told me that the places were filled but there were places for international "fees" if I wish to pay for it. Disgraceful! ! !
@anonymousone6075
@anonymousone6075 3 ай бұрын
Full of Chinese student tower blocks in Newcastle, They seem to love Marks and Spencers
@bovens1278
@bovens1278 3 ай бұрын
Who doesn't love M&S!
@underscore2002
@underscore2002 3 ай бұрын
Surprisingly, The Times reported it as news. Basically, students who did not achieve the required grades will need to complete a one-year foundation course before being admitted. This course serves as a bridge, similar to a diploma, leading to undergraduate studies. Same in Australia, Canada or the United State. There's no need for an undercover team or investigation; the resources are available online. It's amusing that they added background music as though it's a cover-up story.
@grimnir8872
@grimnir8872 3 ай бұрын
Probably because these students, despite failing the actual required grades, are effective paying their way into getting a position and robbing native people of a spot.
@liberality
@liberality 3 ай бұрын
A foundation course with a 100% pass rate. That offer is not available to British students. So, the working class misses out again.
@Dropletsojoy
@Dropletsojoy 3 ай бұрын
​@@liberalityfoundation courses are available to British students - usually if you don't have the correct A-levels for a course
@liberality
@liberality 3 ай бұрын
@@Dropletsojoy Of course, that's a traditional route for mature students, but it used to require work. If the international students are being told there's a 100% chance of getting in, they are buying their places rather than earning them.
@underscore2002
@underscore2002 3 ай бұрын
@@liberality If you are willing to pay i am sure they won’t care if you are British. The agent suggested if the student is a native English speaker it’s near impossible to fail it. If the student is a British, then yes, it’s 100% passing rate.
@AdvocateOfJamaica
@AdvocateOfJamaica 3 ай бұрын
£20,000+ per year for 3 years? Man, those parents' pockets are pretty deep.
@user-sl6gq2zv3r
@user-sl6gq2zv3r 3 ай бұрын
You have no idea how poor this country is .. these people are not super rich it’s their middle class only . The rich one will send their kids to US to hang out with the rich
@astronauticsspace9419
@astronauticsspace9419 3 ай бұрын
I went to QMUL, and it was full of indians, russians and chinese students, including teaching staff. I didn't understand anything when teaching staff spoke English. I remember that one English student asked a question during the lecture, and the lecturer didn't understand his question. English students were shocked about that. I withdrew from my studies after ridiculous experience at QMUL. I also can't believe how this university is part of Russell Group University. They were so disorganised, from teaching staff to admission staff. They made sudden changes in course modules, and there were phd students who can't explain or answer questions. How come they do, phd? This is a serious problem but there is more serious problem which is skill misalignment between universities and industries. Uk universities do not prepare you for practical world. Companies do not care about theory, they care about practical skills. Universities in the UK really needs to update its education from scratch.
@MickDunn-ql7si
@MickDunn-ql7si 3 ай бұрын
Why is anybody surprised? Surely our universities have lost all credence after their lobbying to increase fees to £9000 p.a. for courses that are not necessarily the best. Burden poor students with debt for life for a degree that is not what it should be. Vice-chancellors' generous salaries and pensions have to be paid by somebody! It was backed up by an iniquitous rate of interest on the loans. Students had to pay 6% when car buyers paid no interest at all. Some standards: some country!
@GMac2776
@GMac2776 3 ай бұрын
They're a business first and foremost, why would anyone be surprised by this?
@lewis123417
@lewis123417 3 ай бұрын
No surprise weve seen a massive increase in foreign students coming in
@AdaGeddon
@AdaGeddon 3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure I see the problem, because they have to complete a year before going onto the degree course, right? So before they go onto the degree course they must need to be at the same standard. There are opportunities for native students in the same situation to do the same, just a different pathway.
@lx1714
@lx1714 3 ай бұрын
As a someone who saw this first hand at a Russell Group uni I can say cheating is definitely not rife amongst this cohort. The university definitely does not turn a blind eye! Answers are definitely not circulated ahead of test time! The university valued academic rigour over money at all time!
@lx1714
@lx1714 3 ай бұрын
Your jaw would hit the floor if you saw the levels of rigour!
@b00gyman1
@b00gyman1 3 ай бұрын
@@lx1714 Sarcasm?​
@andrejmrzel989
@andrejmrzel989 3 ай бұрын
Compare Foundation year to IB entry requirements fir Exeter.
@silverstone0907
@silverstone0907 3 ай бұрын
Gone are the days where a university sole purpose was to educate. It’s a business now. Full stop.
@Leidolfr
@Leidolfr 3 ай бұрын
Well, it shouldn't really be a surprise If you offer a service and can get more money from a specific group of people, you're going to want more of thst group of people.
@kaminznanna
@kaminznanna 3 ай бұрын
The second university started charging fees is the second universities became businesses trying to maximise profits, and the government became loan sharks trying to maximise profits. Fees are too high and teacher salaries are too low, so we know where the money is going…
@ConsumerWatchdogUK
@ConsumerWatchdogUK 3 ай бұрын
Government capped the feeds a decade ago. Inflation means that's a huge cut in income. Overseas students are used to subsidise local students, and keep the HE sector in business.
@ravikumar9111
@ravikumar9111 3 ай бұрын
Moreover, what is UK university degree ..its like a distance education a little lecture then all assignments..spending so much money is waste..
@user-bu9nb8wr6e
@user-bu9nb8wr6e 3 ай бұрын
I wonder if Sunaks father in law has any investment?
@amaury1264
@amaury1264 15 күн бұрын
Foundation courses have been running since late 1990's. Doesn't say much that the media has only just cottoned onto this. The real issue is the effective privatisation of the universities, and the under-funding that followed. Capping UK fees is laudable and right but the issue is that this leaves a massive funding shortfall. International students fees make up that short fall ...
@Ghostmanoftheapocalypse
@Ghostmanoftheapocalypse 3 ай бұрын
Its Because rich foreign students have to pay tuition upfront and there more likely to receive further "donations" from the students family wouldn't surprise me if there's a pay for grades going on with the foreign students that preform badly
@wendozerwoo9844
@wendozerwoo9844 3 ай бұрын
They only.pay the first year and it's usually 50,%
@RB-jq6gh
@RB-jq6gh 3 ай бұрын
That big money game run by foreign entities gives them the power in that country (uk)with their students being the drivers.
@danielleardance5605
@danielleardance5605 2 ай бұрын
I am one of those students and I am struggling a lot in my MSc. If I fail, I lose everything. I can't go back to my home country because it's unsafe for me.
@RB-jq6gh
@RB-jq6gh 3 ай бұрын
In Glasgow there's foreign student accommodation everywhere..loads of them constructed by Asian financiers ..the students are like human electrical sub stations acting as the currency for the businessmen & their influence over the City.
@investigativenews5803
@investigativenews5803 3 ай бұрын
Tell us more about…. What do you mean?
@andrejmrzel989
@andrejmrzel989 3 ай бұрын
Compare Foundation year to IB entry requirements for Exeter. And learn first how hard is to get 38 points in IB compared to A levels and "Foundation year".
@deew103
@deew103 3 ай бұрын
Mood
@Sanghowala
@Sanghowala 2 күн бұрын
Degrees are worthless nowadays
@nicholassimpson518
@nicholassimpson518 3 ай бұрын
Some very ill-informed comments on here. Not going to wheel out the 'r' word but some here are bordering on it. I have taught Chinese students on pre-master's courses at UK universities. Yes, some clearly struggle with English. However, subject knowledge is certainly not lacking and in fact, often exceeds that of home students. By the end of a decent pre-sessional course, most foreign students are pretty capable and by the end of master's courses at top universities such as these, are producing good quality work.
@CR-og5ho
@CR-og5ho 3 ай бұрын
Clueless, that isn't the issue here.
@wr3eckeriv640
@wr3eckeriv640 8 күн бұрын
That's incredibly bad if unis are admitting students that cant even speak english.
@bertrandtheApostle7343
@bertrandtheApostle7343 3 ай бұрын
Has it come to this point? Oh dear!
@user-us3tu1iw5v
@user-us3tu1iw5v 3 ай бұрын
😅I finally realise why the internet says the Brits are so t arrogant. If you think they can't speak English, it's a problem with IELTS. Not every family can afford the fee for international high school about 3Years to study Alevel, AP and iB. They have achieved excellence in their high schools but not a qualification recognised by UK universities, so they have to waste a year in foundation, come on, who wont study Alevel, it is quite easy especially for the Chinese college entrance exam and ib😅
@MrWeasle66
@MrWeasle66 3 ай бұрын
Students still need to pass the foundation course, which align with the university direct entry criteria. ‘Guaranteed progression’ is only guaranteed if they meet the university standard of entry. On the foundation students are essentially studying an A level equivalent, focused on improving their English and relevant academic modules. Slightly misleading journalism.
@bfsobudisv6478
@bfsobudisv6478 3 ай бұрын
Don’t see a problem here. Point is it’s a foundation degree, students pay and study a whole year to be the same standard as year 1 students. It’s usually only available to foreign students or uk students with disruptions (medical, disadvantaged backgrounds ect) as it considers that the students aren’t at the same level as a/a* students but have the potential to do well in a degree. Thats it -simple. International students can join the standard degrees but many take foundation due to English language issues or differences in foreign education.
@bfsobudisv6478
@bfsobudisv6478 3 ай бұрын
Just to clarify i’m talking about foundation- not “international year one” i think theyre a little different and im not too knowledgeable on that. But foreign students often take the foundation course.
@lx1714
@lx1714 3 ай бұрын
Yes as someone who saw this cohort 1st hand I can definitely say the attain the same academic level as standard undergrads by y2! Cheating is definitely not rife! Answers to multiple choice papers are definitely not circulated ahead of time! The bar on essays for failure is definitelty not lowered to a level that makes it impossible to fail!
@investigativenews5803
@investigativenews5803 3 ай бұрын
@@lx1714I don’t believe you
@investigativenews5803
@investigativenews5803 3 ай бұрын
Disgraceful & I hope Paul Golding and the millions of Britain First supporters worldwide protest about this!
@erikgood732
@erikgood732 3 ай бұрын
Get away! Yet another story of British corruption? Britain is starting to resemble a banana republic. Which is a bit ironic, as we’re usually the first to criticise.
@eviltaylor1
@eviltaylor1 3 ай бұрын
Let me guess, profit driven and now so messed up they can't survive without continuing and all done under the guise of making things fairer for young Brit's?
@billykimbah2528
@billykimbah2528 3 ай бұрын
Im british,wish i could afford to go to university
@Dropletsojoy
@Dropletsojoy 3 ай бұрын
You can tho, it's called student loans ...
@billykimbah2528
@billykimbah2528 3 ай бұрын
@@Dropletsojoy nope had bad credit before i turned 16
@Dropletsojoy
@Dropletsojoy Ай бұрын
@@billykimbah2528 oh no ! What did you do? But wait I had no credit score when I got student loans so?
@foziaakhtar6230
@foziaakhtar6230 17 сағат бұрын
Sorry but you are late. This is happening from more than 20 years now.
@SusanMBux
@SusanMBux 11 күн бұрын
Uk colleges are just as bad... I feel for the teachers expected to be magicians and pass students.
@tonic1565
@tonic1565 3 ай бұрын
That is why standards of society is collapsing people doing jobs that they are not qualified to do 🤔
@andrenewman4052
@andrenewman4052 3 ай бұрын
Not knew, jus wondering whats bring the buisness accept of brit universities to light, hope torries not upping fees again, thought when we went upto to 9k a yr that would reduce the number.
@gracelove886
@gracelove886 3 ай бұрын
This is the next scandal to come about. A .ot of the Chinese students level of spoken English is not good at all, in fact,likely good as ESOL.
@victornewman9904
@victornewman9904 3 ай бұрын
It's a scam.
@jimsimpson1006
@jimsimpson1006 3 ай бұрын
Well, I never!
@RichardEnglander
@RichardEnglander 3 ай бұрын
At every level natives are being shafted. Here it is harder for us to get into uni, and then why there are such struggles getting student accommodation. Treacherous!
@iconoclast2679
@iconoclast2679 3 ай бұрын
@erikgood732: Corruption has always been deeply entrenched in the UK. It's one of the most successful exports. How do you think all those amenities that you enjoy are financed? What exactly do you think "the city" does to make money? A country with no viable natural resources has to steal to get by, why do you think the infrastructure is crumbling, including the health service? The country has run out of countries to exploit, welcome to the future of the UK, the Potato republic.
@bfsobudisv6478
@bfsobudisv6478 3 ай бұрын
Yeah maybe it’s corruption but in truth it’s a win win for all, unis get payed more and they can offer foundation degrees, students in foundation degrees from uk or from foreign countries (more likely) have to study an extra year to be up to standard otherwise they cannot continue - it’s actually fair, even if it can be considered corruption
@MCNOISE666
@MCNOISE666 3 ай бұрын
No viable natural resources?
@iconoclast2679
@iconoclast2679 3 ай бұрын
@@MCNOISE666 There Is the North Sea, but all the oil majors are pulling out or have pulled out. The oil is too expensive and hazardous to recover. Apart from that, what other natural resources does the UK have that the rest of the world is gagging for?
@MCNOISE666
@MCNOISE666 3 ай бұрын
@@iconoclast2679 1) corruption is EVERYWHERE, just to different degrees. You make it sound like the UK is the worst. 2) I'm not interested in your anti-UK opinions - times have changed & it's now important to sh!t on your anti-UK stance & in fact to come after the haters. 3) 400 years worth of coal for us to use, for ourselves. 4) World class knowledge is a resource in itself.
@iconoclast2679
@iconoclast2679 3 ай бұрын
@@MCNOISE666 The facts don't care about your feelings. Opinions are free, facts are priceless...
@sarahjames927
@sarahjames927 16 күн бұрын
UK sounding like America 😂. Welcome to modern education UK
@SED909-yc7tj
@SED909-yc7tj 3 ай бұрын
Most British students are terrible at exams; oh wait, do we even attend lectures or know what will be tested in the exams? It's OK; I learned these while I was in A level. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought the exam was tomorrow!
@kathrynjenkins9183
@kathrynjenkins9183 3 ай бұрын
I noticed some local immigrants, just come to U.K. and straight onto Masters Degrees and when I ask them, they say it has cost £18,000 plus. No idea how they can study either with looking after their kids and tiny babies 24/7, superhuman!
@Dropletsojoy
@Dropletsojoy 3 ай бұрын
I'm sure that only one member of the family studies right ? The other member looks after the kids
@kathrynjenkins9183
@kathrynjenkins9183 3 ай бұрын
@@Dropletsojoy No, she is there pretty much 99% of the time on her own doing it all. Hubby shows up occasionally on the odd weekends.
@Billy67
@Billy67 3 ай бұрын
Cash for courses, cash for questions. That's the name of the game here in the UK. One leads by example, and the WEF Quislings in Parliament certainly earn their money.
@InternationalDurian
@InternationalDurian 3 ай бұрын
Meanwhile in the US, international students pay higher fees AND get admitted at a lower rate. At least it's only true for unis comparative to or better than Exeter and Durham such as Buffalo, Delaware, Pittsburg, etc.
@superflatjellyfish
@superflatjellyfish 3 ай бұрын
I don't see the problem. The government hasn't increased tuition fees in real terms in over a decade and obviously the School's base costs go up. So effectively international students are subsidising domestic students and in turn subsidising the government
@cup1966wow
@cup1966wow 2 ай бұрын
Nor should they increase tuition fees. The standard in universities is poor. Also they made so much money when it was raised to 9000 in 2012, buildings were popping up everywhere. Universities are happy to rip people off, until they can prove they offer value, no it shouldn't go up.
@xinma6034
@xinma6034 3 ай бұрын
We are rich we are boss you take our money then don’t talk . Uk uni can buy anyway hahaha just a rubbish paper
@hannahperlotto139
@hannahperlotto139 3 ай бұрын
What NEXT!????
@ec3076
@ec3076 3 ай бұрын
As long as the universities dont offend the currently fashionable minorities, they can do what they want.
@171reko
@171reko 3 ай бұрын
I one hundred per cent agree with this video! As a person with high grades who got into a master's degree at LSE last year, I couldn't attend due to high fees. 40k pounds a year (dorm and tuition) just doesn't make sense if you are from the third world. HOWEVER I feel that they should do the opposite. Higher merit for international students and the same fee as UK home students. If internationals pay the same as UK students, it doesn't matter who studies there. They can limit the number of international students then and have the same advantage. Like even as a person who due to recent COVID events doesn't have the same amount of money as his peers any more (We were upper-middle-class now near middle) It is sad and depressing seeing dumber kids with richer parents get into places through consultants. Do I blame the students? not at all, if I was still relatively in good income I would have done the same. However, I do blame the system. I have personally changed my mind about attending university in the UK even though I had offers from major Russel groups unis there (other than Oxford and Cambridge). It feels like a waste of money in the current climate when you have places like KU Leuven and the University of Ghent basically being toe to toe with some Russel Group unis (In the middle) Now do I think this happens at the cream of the group unis? (High Russel like top 8?) Not really. Oxford, LSE, Cambridge, Imperial, and UOE still have high standards and still require a high 2:1 at least. Some degrees only want a first. However places like Kings College, UCL, and UOM? very easy to get into if you know consultants for a master's for certain degrees. Though lets be fair here, the conservative government wants those international students too. The international students give nearly 29 billion pounds a year to the UK. So while this government might posture itself as a immigrant/international student hating group, it very much needs them.
@Numberdescriptionund
@Numberdescriptionund 3 ай бұрын
Will they assure passing then I will join
@user-sl6gq2zv3r
@user-sl6gq2zv3r 3 ай бұрын
Uk is super poor nation . 80% students get students loans with such cheap school fees . No worry most rich won’t come here , they will go US . Uk ‘s 3rd world facilities only attracts middle class international students.
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