From my experience, it's all templates that actually aim you at the foot

​@@maddsua Templates are a big part of it, but it's the worst when mixed with half assed OOP.

@@maddsua I haven’t written any C++ in a bit (thanks unity) but when I did I couldn’t wrap my head around templates at all.

@@UCgx7OseCrundqkE8oEVeobg I already don’t like C#, I ain’t touching no generics.

So c is a pistol and c++ a shotgun?

As a kid I thought sausages were cow udders...

@@b3at1 as i kid i thought they were weaners of dead men

As a kid i played spider man games and need for speed

@@QmVuamFtaW4 did you eat them? 😟

I'm still wondering how a speedhack works. Speeding up and slowing down an application.

In this context the difference between modding and hacking mostly relies on wether you have a publicly exposed modding api which abstracts some of the game functions for you or you pattern scan in memory to hook certain game functions first before implementing any mods.

hacking in this context can mean modding, its not necessarily referring to cheating

Creating cheats isn’t a form of cheating, some of us just enjoy toying with these things. It’s the same as creating malware

@@JimCarrey2005 It's fine to create those things as long as it doesn't harm anyone in my opinion.

@@jenkathefridge3933 building cheats is fun, but cheating is the most mind numbing shit in the world. Like you're playing a video game, you might as well have fun. People who take games so seriously that they have to ruin others fun to have fun themselves should just get a life, because that is something they are completely devoid of.

It’s misleading to say that CPython was _originally_ written in C.

@@fr5229 yeah it is

@@Scotty-vs4lf it's misleading saying that python is tranlated to c, when it's actually translated to machine code that originally was compiled from c (thus you technically never natively run c code, you compile it to binary first) Don't mind correcting me if i got something wrong

It is misleading to state that 'the machine is created in C' without elaborating on the technical nuances of CPython's implementation. The primary components implemented in C are those necessary to efficiently execute Python bytecode, not to wholly recreate the Python abstract machine in C. The Python abstract machine is defined by the bytecode instruction set and semantics, which are handled by the bytecode compilation phase preceding and separate from C-level execution. While the C virtual machine components are instrumental to CPython's performance, they do not subsume or reimplement the core abstract machine as defined by the bytecode and its execution model. By conflating C implementation of performance-critical execution logic with definition of the language's abstract machine, the statement obscures the distinction between translation of source to bytecode and bytecode execution via C. A more technically precise phrasing would clarify the separation of compilation and execution phases in CPython's translation pipeline. CPython's implementation of the Python language entails an intricate translation pipeline comprising multiple phases, rather than a simplistic translation to C code as the misleading statement suggests. Source code is first parsed into an abstract syntax tree (AST), representing code structure. The AST is then compiled into stack-based bytecode instructions, which serve as the principal intermediate representation retaining the dynamism and higher-order characteristics of Python, including first-class functions and dynamic type resolution, using a Python-specific instruction set. The bytecode is executed by a virtual machine implemented in C, but the primary role of its C components is efficient bytecode execution, not recoding Python semantics into C abstractions. By eliding the distinction between the parsing, AST, compilation, bytecode, and virtual machine execution phases, and implying a more straightforward translation to C than occurs, the statement obscures the engineering complexity of CPython's implementation and the conceptual distance between the bytecode intermediate representation and C code. The bytecode is central to preserving Python language semantics in the implementation, not an ancillary artifact of translating Python to C.

Python code (P) is compiled into bytecode (B) by the CPython implementation. The bytecode is executed by the Python virtual machine (V), which is implemented in C. The bytecode is then compiled into machine code (M) by a just-in-time compiler (JIT), which uses various optimization techniques (O) to generate highly efficient and platform-specific code: P → B → V → JIT(O) → M The optimization techniques used by the JIT include loop unrolling, instruction scheduling, register allocation, and constant folding, which are designed to eliminate redundant instructions, minimize memory access, and maximize instruction-level parallelism. The resulting machine code (M) is highly optimized, and can execute the Python program with maximum efficiency.

@xrag yes , those are system calls

fellow wizard!

???? You can call functions you defined in assembly from C++ as well, what you said makes 0 sense

@@fexty8776 Yeah, i shouldn’t say „only”

​@xrag 'but soon you will encounter the RET instruction...' unless for example ROP chain exploit or adequate kernel driver hooks and adequately hidden ones at that

I feel the same way about the video. I am a bit confused about the part where he states that you gain from using C++ when writing hacks if the OS is written in C and the game is written in C++. This makes no sense to me as in the end every application whether the used language is interpreted or compiled (ahead of time/just in time), it is translated into platform and os-specific machine code. When i want to write a hack it all comes down to understanding how the game works, how it's structured, how it accesses memory and stuff. Things like - buzzword bingo incoming - calling conventions, bitwise operations, memory allocation, polymorphism and stuff are interesting, but not the programming language you used to write your hack in. Use the programming language that suits you well and that's capable of making syscalls and that let's you manipulate memory. Almost any programming language i touched let you do that.

C is compiled for an abstract machine as well, actually

​@@ar-l but C is more forgiving and less strict in terms of operations on raw data. Type punning via Unions is UB in C++ but is perfectly legal in C. In C++ you have to jump through hoops when working with raw bytes. Prior to `std::start_lifetime_as` you have to PRAY to some compiler god that your `std::copy` will be optimized to no copy of received byte array. I am myself a C++ engineer and would prefer it for developing over C because of its idioms and fetures (RAII, Pay for what you use, compile-time polymorhism and function overloading). But advising someone to learn a VERY COMPLICATED and TIME CONSUMING language just to use a very limited subset of functions is totally insane. C would be perfect for memory manipulations, also Winapi is pure C.

@@sergeykolesnik1171 What about using std::bit_cast (C++20) for type punning? Btw I agree that using C++ over C makes no sense in this case, in general you should learn very low level stuff for hacking/modifying app's memory.

@@j4viersitox7 idk why KZfaq doesn't show my reply. std::bit_cast copies bits to a new value, thus you would have to copy those back if you want to modify the original memory. (Original reply contained a link to Stack Overflow answer)

that's why I'm learning it. started in JavaScript for Web dev but c++ is much more valuable.

thank you for validating that im not insane and that this is indeed a bad video

C++ is also as hates as java in these comments. There is a clear correlation between how verbose a language is an ho many people hate It.

Why do you say that?

Exactly, thank you so much! I love C++ but this video was bad.

well done. you should always have this attitude, that languages are trivial

sql isn't a fucking language

@@Proferk what ever that is database language or some shii

@@ayyleeuz4892 This, once you know the logic the rest is just syntax and specific functions/features of that language.

@@Proferk yes it is It is the most in-depth language in use today.

thats fine, not touching c++ i mean

Or putting your leg in a meat grinder, that's fine in my book.

Yeah I kinda find C++ to be in a weird spot. If I wanted an OOP language, C# is almost always a better pick, but if I wanted something low level, C is a better pick. The only real benefit is the industry wide support in the gaming industry

Yeah I kinda find C++ to be in a weird spot. If I wanted an OOP language, C# is almost always a better pick, but if I wanted something low level, C is a better pick. The only real benefit is the industry wide support in the gaming industry

@@kneesnap1041 you can write a very C flavored C++ and still get the benefits of the standard library

Nowadays I think it's interpretted to Python bytecode

@@sagarroy1125 no, it's compiled to bytecode, the bytecode is what's interpreted

Yeah man. Sometimes I get bored of C++ and look for something to replace it with but it's difficult. Once you know your way around C++, thee isn't really anything to replace it 1:1 in this field.

@@cazz you could just use rust ;)

@@RinLovesYou or you could become a Jehovah's witness instead. jokes aside, personally I prefer cpp for stuff I do

I was thinking about explaining some reverse engineering stuff with WT but I'm not sure it's a good idea. Might put me on Gaijin's radar. None the less, good idea and thanks for the suggestion

@@cazz Or you can make paid course on your website if v

You get a ton of memory issues if you can't keep track of your shit.

@@dfsfsdfd Exactly, that is the point, yet "C++ is safe unlike C"

@@polariandev Fair, though I hate the usage of the term "safety" in this context, like you need to be protected from memory or something.

@@dfsfsdfd Well, it is a misleading term, people often hear memory safety and think "OMG is my memory unsafe, am I getting hacked?", no you just aren't freeing your heap allocations!

@@polariandev That and I've run into people who seem to legit think pointers should be avoided for "safety". Exactly, if you make it with new, undo with delete!

You're completely right. For 90% of situations C++ and/or C# will work perfectly. In-fact, C# would be less complicated and take less time than C++. Ultimately though, it is my opinion that C++ comes out on top in those 10% of situations thanks to it being fully compiled, speedy and having all the memory access in the world.

@@cazz Can you give me some sort of an example where C++ accomplishes it better? I don't quite understand how it's more compiled or has more memory access.

Thank you!! 😁

The Linux kernel is written in C, but many of the overlay programs such as the GNU command line tools and especially the UI elements (using Qt framework) are written in C++.

Thank you very much!

arent we already in python 3.11 now?

You got me! Sorry boss.

I don't know why anyone would need OO or templates to write a hack. That stuff is for developing projects that get large and complicated. Almost any c++ compiler will compile straight c as well, but the low level memory manipulation libraries you'd probably want to use are not actually part of the c++ standard, even if compliant equivalents can be included.

It's the fisher price of programming. Riding with training wheels is easy too.

@@dfsfsdfd Yeah for sure it is training wheels, but I don't get why anyone would want to move away from these set of training wheels. For example, I'm really into ML, and python is top-dog for anything ML related. Libraries are made in C++ and used in python so it's fast and easy to use.

@@vixguy Because many of us aren't ok with just using something someone else built? What if you wanted to write your own machine learning engine? Or anything that isn't just a wrapper someone else made around their work?

@@dfsfsdfd Python is easy to learn because its forgiving compared to c++ in terms of syntax errors, and you don’t have to worry a lot about type matching or memory management, but it isn’t simple to master.

@@marshallsweatherhiking1820 Syntax is syntax, you could argue it's more intuitive, however, neither language is forgiving in that aspect. One yells at you during compile, the other just crashes at runtime when you get to it. Memory management isn't hard, use new then delete. Typematching imo is easier, you know what the variable is and leads to less accidental data mismatches. To be fair it isn't simple to master any programming language, but python scripting is relatively easy in my experience relatively speaking.

You can actually use C++ within C projects (and this boils the blood of many other programmers). Just compile the C files with a C compiler and the C++ files with a C++ compiler (into object files) and then you can link them together with a C++ compiler.

@@v01d_r34l1ty not only C++ then, many compiled-to-native programming languages implement FFI that allows to communicate with binary files compiled from other langs

@@vicshcher Yup! Rust is a prime example! A Rust file, C file, Zig file, and C++ file can all be compiled into the same binary! Edit: I didn’t want to mention FFIs just because I’m not all too familiar with them as I mainly use C++ and C. I know my place and I try to stick to it lol

@@v01d_r34l1ty same. I'm pretty comfortable with paradigm that C++ provides. Tried Rust once, I kinda understand fact that memory safety requires some effort, both from language designer and end user, but those imposed restrictions are too strict for me. Anyway, that would be useful to learn some new programming and design techniques, including Rust's ones

@@vicshcher Rust is dirty until you get into building with it, kinda like with JavaScript. I found I had to use a different learning approach than with C++. Overall, it has more restrictions but more or less comparable compatibility and interoperability and capability as C++ with some of the bargaining chips of C.

Not if you are complying with new C++ standards, and keeping up with updates, but yeah a lot of people do use orthodox C++ even today.

windows API is c++ and within c++ you can write c code

@@ayyleeuz4892 This just isn't true. It's all C and maybe some ASM.

@@ricanteja windows API winapi is implemented in c++

GitHub windows driver samples to see for yourself which language is used when dealing with windows API.

GTA 5 graphics modded

you are still very far away from creating a cheat which will successful while playing online

@@ayyleeuz4892 You are still very far away from creating a sentence which will successful while reading online

Don't let them scare you away from pointers. They are insanely powerful, don't fall into the "just wrap everything in a vector bro"

@@dfsfsdfd he is already scared of this because he sees that it's unethical

Noted!

@@cazz Omg seen your .dll vid. Eye-opening and awe-inspiring. Thank you sir!

Maxim isn't a mod or anything so he doesn't have the power to do that. Let me know your discord name so that I can look into it if you like.

Not python.

@@jdsaravaiya6468 going to python from c++ its so weird, it contradicts everything you know

Replace "C++" with "C" and that's correct

i mean this was true for me when i was learning C, once i learned that i could get a hold of other easier languages pretty fast despite me only having a basic background of python

@@ThatOpinionIsWrong Nah man, I know both and C++ is way harder. Also, classes and first-class functions don’t really exist in C, which makes it not really compatable with modern programming paradies such as OO and FP.

How, c++ is way more efficient than python, if you can run pythom, you can surely run c++

watch chernos videos he has a playlist of 101 videos for c++

Creel on KZfaq teaches assembly and C++.

For anything? Probably C#

The problem is that, writing cheats is an inherently memory-unsafe activity. Most cheating is memory exploiting. The result of this is… 70% of your rust code base is going to be in between “unsafe” tags, so what’s the point. C++ will let you shoot yourself in the foot and that’s extremely powerful in the right hands, that edge of danger is what makes C++ so powerful. There are certainly use cases for rust though, it really depends on your goals.

cazz is correct. Rust will get in your way literally on every step. C++ is the only sane option imo

@@cazzRust isn’t only about memory safety, it provides much more (it’s just that’s what many people advertise about it). The syntax, dependency manager and build system, the traits, macros, etc.

@@StealerSlainC is more sane using your logic, c++ gets more in the the way than C.

@@FaZekiller-qe3uf well I'd argue with that if we're talking hacking or reverse engineering in general. C++'s RE ecosystem is richer and since most games are written using OOP anyways, the class/struct mapping will be very convenient

The way I interpreted "systems language" was that it meant giving the most degree of power of the underlying hardware, which is directly not what Rust is. (for better or worse)

most languages are self hosted

Yes :(