cEDH in China is CRAZY | cEDH Top 16 Breakdown

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Today I'm taking a look at CommanderFest Guangzhou's cEDH tournament, a 73-player in-person event that took place in China. This event is a wild combination of cEDH staples you expect, bits from the Japanese and European metas, and some unique stuff I've NEVER covered. The decks featured are Korvold, Tymna/Kydele, Sisay, Tevesh/Thrasios, Kess, Tymna/Kraum, Nadu, Oswald Fiddlebender, Talion, Rakdos, Tivit, Magda, and Tymna/Dargo.
Let me know which of these decks was your favorite in the comments below!
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
1:12 - Promo Stuff
2:09 - Meta Breakdown
3:05 - Tivit
5:31 - Tymna/Dargo
8:31 - Nadu
10:16 - Korvold
13:20 - Magda
16:36 - Rakdos, the Muscle
20:12 - Kess
23:07 - Sisay
24:34 - Talion
27:18 - Tymna/Kraum
28:51 - Korvold 2
30:58 - Nadu 2
32:13 - Tevesh/Thrasios
36:10 - Tymna/Kydele
39:21 - Sisay 2
40:29 - Oswald Fiddlebender
46:21 - Wrap-up

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@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
Which of these decks were your favorite? What do you think of the Chinese meta? Let me know down below!
@InfinityRift7
@InfinityRift7 29 күн бұрын
This is definitely a very local-looking meta... Guangzhou seems to hate Ragavan, and I'm all for it. I've played in the Chinese semi-competitve and competitive metas for a long time now (I grew up and to an extent still live in China), but exclusively in Shanghai. I'm unsure of what the turnout for the Shanghai CommandFest event in August is going to be like, but I think I'll be participating. We have many talented pilots over here; lots of Kinnan and Blue Farm players, a couple of Najeela pilots, a couple of K'rrik fanatics, and many more players who have some lesser-seen, spicy decks. I have a friend who also happens to be the only Ashling pilot I know of in our circle, and he's been popping off with the deck recently in testing. Can confirm the Kydele pilot's statement about games going longer here on the other side of the Pacific to be true. We generally tend to be a lot more mid-range-based and for the most part players tend to be a lot more cautious of going for wins too early. We also closely follow US tourney results, so most card choices in meta decks are either a reasonable take or are basically 1-for-1 compared to the US meta. For CF Shanghai specifically, I expect to see a bit more turbo than usual because it seems everyone's either trying to control for Nadu or run underneath Nadu and win before it gets off the ground, and turbo-slanted decks seem to be the better choice thus far.
@stevenjones9310
@stevenjones9310 27 күн бұрын
​@@InfinityRift7so your the one I need to talk to. What part of China did you play and is that part of China a free country? Their are many different reasons why I ask this question but I'll put simply China is not from an outside looking in perspective a free country and also the poor and wealthie ratio is astronoicle, poo really look poor and wealthy are super wealthie. Would you say you playing cards in China is a wealth thing? And again last I checked gambling and card playing is heavily sanctioned. Please your thoughts
@InfinityRift7
@InfinityRift7 27 күн бұрын
@@stevenjones9310 In China gambling is illegal. Card games like MTG, YGO, and Pokémon TCG are ok and are seen as recreational activities. About your statement of the poor being really poor and wealthy being really wealthy, I don’t think that that statement is exclusive to China in any way. This phenomenon is also easily findable in the US, and I would actually argue to a much greater extent. It is actually much more livable in China if you aren’t wealthy as a Chinese citizen, since there are government programs (including VERY affordable healthcare) that make it easier for the average Chinese person to live their life, for the most part. Playing Magic in paper has definitely gotten more expensive, and that’s probably true regardless of where you are in the world. That being said, there are very notable differences between the Chinese and Western markets for the game. For example, a card like Doubling Season might be worth more in the US, while in China it’s considered to be more of a bulk rare. Recently and with the upcoming removal of Chinese language localization, there has been (and I expect there will continue to be) a shift in pricing for many singles towards the western market prices (TCG, etc). Usually English cards are worth more than Chinese cards, so it will be interesting to see how the prices and market here shift after Bloomburrow. More recently Chinese players have started making the distinction between cards printed in Japan vs cards printed in the US, and Japanese-print cards are fetching higher prices in most if not all cases due to poor quality control in the US print facilities when it comes to MTG. This is something I’ve only seen happen here in China; these distinctions aren’t made in the US at all.
@haoranfranklinsu4204
@haoranfranklinsu4204 29 күн бұрын
Hi! I am the pilot of the Kydele deck here😊 This whole deck is tuned according to Sam Black's theory of flying under the radar & no “bad” tutor/fast mana. Similiar to the cutting Seedborn Muse idea, I intentionally cut Ad Naus and PitA. Those cards win you games once resolved, but facing increasing RoL effects and midranged blue decks with tons of interactions, I would rather cut them and pursue more medium level threat that other players might just let you resolve, such as Inner Sun and Orrery. Usually people ignore it or have to use counterspells on more game-winning spells, and those medium level threat grinds insane value in mid and late game. Extra turn spell is just another thing that generates unlimited value but people hesistate to counter it, with extra synergy with Inner Sun and Citadel. For mana dorks, I cut every 1 toughness dork but Bloom Tender due to the unbelivable prevalence of Bowmasters, as we try to drag the game into late game it is almost certain we will be Bowed at least once. Finally, the adding of Necrodominance gives the deck new ways to end the game in a sudden. With Kydele on the field, if you Necrodominance for 37, you generated 38 colourless with Kydele. That more than enough for you to secure a win with Borne Upon a Wind or Crop Rotation & Emergence Zone, and you can bring down Madara to remove a stax piece. Here's some math: with 88 cards in deck and no source of flash in hand and 1G/U open, activating either necro with 37 cards will have 76% plus winrate. One last word, the deck is tuned to local stax/midrange meta, and has been tested out with 1000+ games in the last few years. Not all cedh decks are with all low MV cards that allows a turn 2 Ad Naus. Sometimes some cards that looks stupid and battle level are not as stupid as it seems with the right strategy and synergy.
@haoranfranklinsu4204
@haoranfranklinsu4204 29 күн бұрын
Plus, IsoRev is kinda useless in this deck, as we don't have a Thrasios in the commander zone. After IsoRev, you still need a payoff card to yield from infinite mana. Usually if we have the payoff like Staff of Dominion or Citadel, we won already.
@izzzx
@izzzx 29 күн бұрын
舒服
@drackoex
@drackoex 29 күн бұрын
Thank you for the breakdown on that sweet list! It's clearly a fun play for politicking too!
@haoranfranklinsu4204
@haoranfranklinsu4204 29 күн бұрын
Exactly! With multiple powerful medium level threats, late game plans, and intense interactions, this deck is built for powerful politicking. Usually I will talk through hard situations in the early game, use high dense medium level threats to reinforces the mid game without being heavily interacted, and basically dominate the late game. Somehow this deck helps me to become one of the most famous politicking cedh players in China lol
@ry7hym
@ry7hym 29 күн бұрын
very cool deck building style m8!
@orioncampos
@orioncampos Ай бұрын
I played in this Command Fest. It was great! About the winner, he has been playing this deck for the past 3 years. He truly mastered Oswald. A well deserved first place.
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
Hell yeah that's so sick. Love to see people rewarded for that level of commitment, bet he has a ton of fun playing that list.
@MrMargiritaMan
@MrMargiritaMan Ай бұрын
HOLY FUCK THE PAST 3 YEARS I PUSHED OSWALD and worked with the 1 other specialist to make the flash speed twiddle variant and it's amazing to see the meta. 2 yisans in top 16 and an Oswald taking first. Top decks win through stax right now like rule of law, they win through silence effects, and they put straight to the battlefield. AWESOME VIDEO LETS GO OSWALD WE UP!!!!
@drackoex
@drackoex 29 күн бұрын
Would you be able to break down the various pod/egg lines? I see some but I feel there's some crazy complex ones that really push this list
@MrMargiritaMan
@MrMargiritaMan 29 күн бұрын
@@drackoex so this one has some of the twiddle flash core of oswald but his list looks to be based more around a storm concept. Helm of awakening is usually not used in oswald same with the top and mystic forge. He has no aether flux payout but it seems more centered on storming out prophetic prisms and chromatic. If you want my personal list it still has pod lines but its more on flash casting, unwinding clock, clock of omens and silence effects. Twiddling on everyone's turn untapping your artifacts to keep storming that way while able to continually silence. The list that won is close on concept but actually casting to storm more of. Oswald has super explosive super tight pod lines and awesome ways to finish out a game
@2d_spartan
@2d_spartan 29 күн бұрын
Oswald was my first attempt at a cedh list! He was always super fun. Sadly I think he just fell off because stax fell off on the US side of things anyways. Maybe he deserves another look in the current meta! If you have a list id love to see it!
@jasper-vo1wd
@jasper-vo1wd 11 күн бұрын
i always thought twiddle effects were super underplayed in those decks. glad someone else shares that opinion!
@mandielyn0416
@mandielyn0416 29 күн бұрын
Oswald Fiddlebender, the Gnome, the myth, the legend. The hero we all deserve. I have been playing this deck for years and love it. However, I have never played it in a tournament setting. That is not about to change now but I love seeing it take one down!
@JakeForste
@JakeForste Ай бұрын
"If you give me a mean comment about it... i WILL tell your mom" 😂😂😂
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
Don't test me, I'll do it!
@pokedadsam9041
@pokedadsam9041 Ай бұрын
Man, I’m glad this was up top. Almost asked if he lost a bet for cowtown. 😃
@saltyseas416
@saltyseas416 23 күн бұрын
He looks like mom, yes my mom
@mizzlchieizzl
@mizzlchieizzl 18 күн бұрын
This is now my go to
@coreyhayslip5418
@coreyhayslip5418 29 күн бұрын
Great vid and coverage as usual. Wild top 4
@craigrgriffin
@craigrgriffin Ай бұрын
The oswald fiddlebender list is by far my favorite. I've tried out the stax version of the deck before, but this turbo-eggs version is 🔥
@DefCatofficial
@DefCatofficial 28 күн бұрын
AYO, love the shave man! looks super clean!
@tcgmetaslayer4202
@tcgmetaslayer4202 29 күн бұрын
Great spread of decks! 💯
@Teknomahge
@Teknomahge Ай бұрын
I was today years old when i learned that there isnt a monkey on Meathook Massacre
@Holden_P
@Holden_P Ай бұрын
Great video, and the clean shaven look is nice! 👍
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
Thank ya!
@robdroptables
@robdroptables 29 күн бұрын
Bloodboiler is there to combo with Barry (Battered Golem). It's a way to go infinite through Null Rod effects. Null Rod is super, super good in Magda. Apple is an infinite combo with Welder to generate treasures and win. Thanks for bringing this content to a wider audience!
@user-jj1qj4pq6o
@user-jj1qj4pq6o Ай бұрын
Lookin sharp dude!!!
@brendonford3838
@brendonford3838 Ай бұрын
I’m surprised no isochron scepter in the kydel deck. Maybe just because it’s easier to punish imprint? Idk, I’d risk it
@itsnova504
@itsnova504 Ай бұрын
Good video! Korvold is old is on Red Elemental blast and Pyroblast, I think you accidentally said it wasn’t brotha. Keep up the great work!
@TripsAhoy
@TripsAhoy Ай бұрын
Very cool to hear Oswald winning an event! You know Mr Gaddock Teeg aprroves of this for sure! ❤❤❤
@TheAldjiunar
@TheAldjiunar 29 күн бұрын
Go Oswald! My second favorite was that Thras/Tevesh. I like the sound of that.
@PubStompMTG
@PubStompMTG 29 күн бұрын
Always love seeing Korvold make it!
@mrnixon2287
@mrnixon2287 29 күн бұрын
nice recap. thanks.
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards 29 күн бұрын
@mrnixon2287 thank you!
@dantekelly9715
@dantekelly9715 29 күн бұрын
That first Korvald list definitely had both pyroblast and red elemental blast in it. 11:38
@dantekelly9715
@dantekelly9715 29 күн бұрын
Wrong time stamp. Sorry. 11:38
@VD-dx7gu
@VD-dx7gu 23 күн бұрын
pongify and rapid hybridization can also be used for both a nadu trigger and a creature for nadu triggers from that one nadu deck
@InfinityRift7
@InfinityRift7 29 күн бұрын
11:34 REB: Hey! I'm on display over here!
@mrJanbenes
@mrJanbenes 21 күн бұрын
Its interesting how non-optimized Nadu decklist still can get top 5. Just shows what great pilot can do.
@sayntfuu
@sayntfuu Ай бұрын
slowly building that real card deck, just got my consultation, oracle, and pact.
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
Nice! Getting close to having two of mine together now, just gotta take it one card at a time.
@dimitriid
@dimitriid Ай бұрын
I think the main Oswald line he's running is just recursion based sacrifice: Sacrifice Scrap Trawler to KCI, then it triggers and brings back Myr Retriever which sacrifices to KCI and restarts. Now I don't see too many cost reductors outside of Helm of Awakening for this to be net positive but if you throw any mana rock into the mix like Grim Monolith or Mana Vault and it turns mana-positive and henceforth Infinite targetting Walking Ballista. This can also net infinite mana with many of the draw card artis he runs so I'm guessing if there's a piece missing (Like Ballista) he attempts to just draw into it by force as part of the combo anyway. I usually like to at least keep Rings of Brightheart + Basalth Monolith since both being 3 CMC can be tutored with a doubler on Oswald: If done right this means you get your mana a turn earlier for example Illusionists Bracers equipped then sacrificed to bring Brightheart + Basalt to get your infinite mana and infinite untaps, but KCI is also a solid choice given the graveyard recursion once you establish an efficient line it can probably turn the corner even faster and make room for more defense stuff (I.E. Grand Abolisher is more efficient in this deck but not Oswald tutoreable, it's usually better to have Conqueror's Flail but more mana intensive to do so)
@pixielilla7369
@pixielilla7369 Ай бұрын
I also cut Birds of paradise from most of my decks... bowmasters is so harmful to the format. I kept track over 30 games and of the 12 I played birds 0 times did I get to untap with it before getting pinged down. Anecdotal I know, but in general if I can avoid 1 toughness creatures now I do Especially if they need to tap to be useful. I had the same problem with bloom tender, but bloom tender can be a combo piece on the rare occasion it does untap.
@spenserroxsox
@spenserroxsox 29 күн бұрын
Do chinese players have good access to restricted cards? I assume not after seeing these lists
@龙天逸
@龙天逸 12 күн бұрын
Hello, I am the deck creator of Oswald Fiddlebender. Given that this is new building deck, many people don't know how it operates. I would love to share the strategy guide for this deck with everyone. I completed this guide about two weeks ago and just published it today on the Chinese social media platform I collaborate with. If you are interested, I can discuss the possibility of reposting it with them.
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards 12 күн бұрын
Of course!
@龙天逸
@龙天逸 11 күн бұрын
@@LemorasCards I tried to send my article link but it disappeared quickly. Maybe I cannot do that in KZfaq? Please give me your email address
@龙天逸
@龙天逸 11 күн бұрын
@@LemorasCards I want to share my article link and email address but it was deleted in a few seconds. I don't use KZfaq very often. Pls tell me how to do
@ManMan-ho5gu
@ManMan-ho5gu 29 күн бұрын
To me flare makes sense in talion to protect a win line because it lets you pull of thoracle safely. Or if you're just close to a winning state you can stop someone else's win and go for it on your turn.
@nikolaosfilopoulos4856
@nikolaosfilopoulos4856 Ай бұрын
Not sure if mentioned, Talion being a must draw can be awkward with Consult lines. Idk if flare is good enough as it's booty outside of that situation, but turning off Talion for a win attempt is real.
@andrewkelley6039
@andrewkelley6039 Ай бұрын
never knew that was a hand in the meathook massacre art
@RayneShunner
@RayneShunner 19 күн бұрын
I live in Singapore, most people here are PL 6-8 and there were this one china tourist came into LGS and he claimed to be PL 6 and launched the game off with tutor and infinite combos.
@izzyskeemy
@izzyskeemy Ай бұрын
*Lesssss goooooo*
@nealcrabtree3647
@nealcrabtree3647 29 күн бұрын
I'm here to praise Magda ❤
@ethanhopper2467
@ethanhopper2467 Ай бұрын
The old Modern KCI loops can easily produce infinite mana, for example KCI + Trawler + Retriever + Mox Opal + any 1 mana artifact is infinite.
@your_priscylla
@your_priscylla Ай бұрын
Anna was running Tymna/Kydele for a bit! super cool to see it played elsewhere, def gives me some ideas i wanna show her
@ry7hym
@ry7hym 29 күн бұрын
ah makes sense, I was like "where's the beard??"
@tcgmetaslayer4202
@tcgmetaslayer4202 29 күн бұрын
I still like stern scolding to stop creatures and not give my opponent a 2/2, if anything Id use it with strix serenade for redundancy
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards 29 күн бұрын
Yeah I think you run it in addition but rarely over. I'm okay to give my opponent a 2/2 if it means I can counter Ranger Captain.
@NybarMTG
@NybarMTG Ай бұрын
Yaaaaaaaa RAKDOS THE MUSCLE
@psychevolvexrp777
@psychevolvexrp777 Ай бұрын
I'm telling your mom you shaved, she'll be disappointed LOL
@untilthewheelsfalloff1751
@untilthewheelsfalloff1751 Ай бұрын
Asia and any other place outside of the US is always crazy because they played to win. In the US they play to not lose.
@chellthealchemist4751
@chellthealchemist4751 Ай бұрын
SHAVED FACEEEEE
@primeshifter1699
@primeshifter1699 Ай бұрын
lol I didn’t notice the beard until you said it and then that’s all I could look at after. Why did you do that lol
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
@@primeshifter1699 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@primeshifter1699
@primeshifter1699 Ай бұрын
My dad would call you a respectable clean, shaving man
@davidcrain453
@davidcrain453 Ай бұрын
Beards weird lol
@antoniocardoso7129
@antoniocardoso7129 29 күн бұрын
Who is this new host ?
@teamf6920
@teamf6920 29 күн бұрын
Dont tell my mom
@Logic-cg7qy
@Logic-cg7qy 29 күн бұрын
Chinese event huh? I wonder if they allowed proxies 🙄🤣😆
@thomasantoine6194
@thomasantoine6194 Ай бұрын
My mom is asking where is you beard she kind of liked that?
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
@thomasantoine6194 it's almost back, I'll send her a pic.
@thomasantoine6194
@thomasantoine6194 29 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@MrVSean
@MrVSean Ай бұрын
too fucking hot out here
@Helixcards
@Helixcards 26 күн бұрын
It's basically pronounced goo-ang jo
@thecitizen6860
@thecitizen6860 Ай бұрын
"NaDu Is ToO gOoD, BaN iT" bunch of clowns let a deck breathe and meta adjust
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
@thecitizen6860 yeah definitely not too good, just a new thing you gotta be ready for
@thecitizen6860
@thecitizen6860 Ай бұрын
@@LemorasCards what's funny too me even more is the modern people calling for the ban. They swore up and down modern horizons was just another commander set. Like nothing would do anything in modern lol
@adamcomeau3731
@adamcomeau3731 Ай бұрын
Beards are for men are like push up bras for women 😂
@stevenjones9310
@stevenjones9310 Ай бұрын
I'm highly skeptical of this post and it's authenticity, China lied about the corona virus, who knows if thisbis just a group of Chinese nationals posting content that's can be perceived as a mtg tournament, again considering most of China doesn't allow gambling or trading card games or much of anything for that matter.
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Ай бұрын
@@stevenjones9310 bruh
@stevenjones9310
@stevenjones9310 28 күн бұрын
​@LemorasCards feel free to prove me wrong at any point we can have a healthy discussion about the country that holds our debts but also slaps us on the world stage anytime we ask questions like "have we As aspiring nations don't have poverty, racism and radical incels that terrorize the population" and both countries laugh at each other for even ask the question, since again I'm sure you would say we have both poverty in some areas that's really bad and racism that in my opinion is largely promoted by media during specific cycles to flare voters into blindly voting like how for obama and the next now his vice president who's absolute dumb ass but also a shill for China. So again healthy discussion
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