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The Homogenization of Blockbusters

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In recent years I feel blockbusters have grown incredibly formulaic, today we explore this trend.
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@Wired4Life2
@Wired4Life2 4 жыл бұрын
*"They're like fast-food hamburgers. They sell a lot of them. The movie business is very successful and you hope that the success of those hamburgers will finance more original dishes. But more often than not, I'm afraid it just finances more hamburgers."* - Warren Beatty
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Ooo, good quote!
@mariokarter13
@mariokarter13 4 жыл бұрын
The hamburger is being sold to finance the creation of a new product: The Cardburger. Like a real burger, but made of cardboard with empty platitudes printed on it for flavor. Then they found out cardboard is cheaper to produce than hamburger, so it's Cardburgers for everyone.
@Wired4Life2
@Wired4Life2 4 жыл бұрын
@@mariokarter13 Which is basically what Germans think of American hamburgers anyway. :/
@anonymoususer208
@anonymoususer208 4 жыл бұрын
In that case, fortnite looks like a Plain burger with buns
@joehand2156
@joehand2156 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wired4Life2 Well fastfood one then yes. But i live in a farming community where we get real beef from are stores and not that pink shit that they call meat at Walmart.
@Sedlan18
@Sedlan18 4 жыл бұрын
“We don’t make movies to make money, we make money to make more movies" Walt Disney. How far away has that moto been from Disney in recent years
@KRYMauL
@KRYMauL 4 жыл бұрын
The live action Disney movies are being made to renew their copyrights, and make some money before they go back to making new movies.
@mxxre33
@mxxre33 4 жыл бұрын
They make good movies while making money. Yeah some duds but mainly they’re always a hit. Can’t ask for more.
@esyone3394
@esyone3394 4 жыл бұрын
I think bob Iger said the reverse.
@mocinhatrampante
@mocinhatrampante 4 жыл бұрын
The new ceo has a different vision
@mocinhatrampante
@mocinhatrampante 4 жыл бұрын
Theres this video from lindsay ellis that explains a bit of it go to 3:06 min kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rNaFq5x107e5m3U.html
@PaulVuTV
@PaulVuTV 4 жыл бұрын
Dude you’ve nailed it with this one. That’s my exact perspective on film & tv
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@pedrobraun1534
@pedrobraun1534 3 жыл бұрын
True, the level of documentation on this videos are awesome. Now I see that you really love to make this videos
@thecloneamigo
@thecloneamigo 3 жыл бұрын
They've always been like this - you just remember the good ones!
@thespoondangle
@thespoondangle 3 жыл бұрын
Last year, I would have agreed. But this year Tenet came out and got heavily criticized. Now I totally understand why Hollywood plays it as safe as they possibly can.
@majkus
@majkus 4 жыл бұрын
I think one of the problems is the whole notion of a "franchise" (hence the McDonald's analogy). The Lord of the Rings was a magnificent and beloved book. After the adaptation, though, Middle-earth became a 'franchise' and we got the Hobbit films and the upcoming billion-dollar Amazon series, where the discussion is all about whether it will be filmed in New Zealand and be Just Like The Movies, not about whether there will be a compelling story line. When one is writing and directing something in a 'franchise', of course it will be like McDonald's. And when we the audience start talking about the Star Wars universe, the Disney films, or the Marvel comics universe as a 'franchise', we are playing into the McDonaldization of the product, and should not be surprised when it is formulaic.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have put it better myself!
@axeenj
@axeenj 4 жыл бұрын
Star Wars, Disney, and Marvel. Or just... Disney. :( Bet they'll even own McDonald's soon
@JonathanEBoyd
@JonathanEBoyd 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly Said I was gonna leave a comment But you've said it all perfectly
@rra7490
@rra7490 4 жыл бұрын
majkus McDonaldization, I like that! Yes generic, bland and tasteless, very fitting.
@seanrawlinson
@seanrawlinson 4 жыл бұрын
darknight bat you can call McDonald’s very common denominator, but it’s hardly bland or tasteless. Their food is made to be tasty to most people. You could say that it’s all flash and no substance.
@psychodrummer1567
@psychodrummer1567 4 жыл бұрын
One of problems, one of reasons of the homogenization is budget polarization. Nowadays you either go indie (around 2 millions USD of film budget) or you go blockbuster (100 million USD). There's no middle ground. However, our beloved movies from 70's and 80's, when adjusted for inflation, had their budgets somewhere between 30 and 50 millions USD: Star Wars (Episode IV) was 45 mil, Ghostbusters, Predator, Robocop were about 35 mil, Alien was 15, Aliens was 40, Back To The Future movies were between 20 and 40, depending on the entry. Having a medium budget allows for more creativity and risks while still having enough money to deliver on the author's vision.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! We need to bring back the "middle class" of blockbuster
@Pilchowski01
@Pilchowski01 4 жыл бұрын
This is something that's happened in the games industry as well: its almost all either indie or triple-AAA. The mid-tier game has all but died out, and the A and double A classes of games have become platform exclusive
@psychodrummer1567
@psychodrummer1567 4 жыл бұрын
@@Pilchowski01 Personally, I blame the technology. Better hardware allows for better graphics. Better graphics require more talent and manpower. More manpower requires more money which, in turn, demands more revenue, to secure which, you need broader appeal...
@sofia-br5qv
@sofia-br5qv 4 жыл бұрын
The only real recent example I can think of that fits this is description is It, the budget was about $35 million and made $700 million at the box office and was a huge topic and very popular when it came out
@qqq386
@qqq386 4 жыл бұрын
Recently only John Wick movies do that
@seanrawlinson
@seanrawlinson 4 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention The Matrix which was made because the creators were sick of homogenised action movies.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
It would of been a good example, just skipped my mind
@daoyang223
@daoyang223 4 жыл бұрын
Or Soldier by Kurt Russell. They went against all cliches because Paul WS Anderson wanted to stray from the Hollywood formula since Rocky was popular at the time. Hence the sci-fi theme with actual space travel and a Chinese villain instead of a Russian (cold war influenced our villains in hollywood)
@Cyclobomber
@Cyclobomber 4 жыл бұрын
And it kinda created a new norm to imitate ad nauseam... Hollywood ruins everything eventually, one must believe.
@bemotivated8443
@bemotivated8443 4 жыл бұрын
Logan is the best marvel movie Change my mind
@vingram100
@vingram100 4 жыл бұрын
It's so tragic how the studio forced the Wachowskis to make both generic sequels.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 4 жыл бұрын
One key difference with McDonald's hamburgers is it they cost half as much as a premium Burger. That's not true for these generic films. They want the same price as they charge for the good stuff.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@AliRadicali
@AliRadicali 4 жыл бұрын
A better analogy would be apple&PC in recent years, where apple is the overmarketed, one-size-fits-all corporate blockbuster. If you want to get the most bang from your buck in terms of hardware you go with PC, especially if you have a specific purpose in mind, but if you want to cater to a wide audience of casuals you're probably better off with Macs.
@ganjahfarmer4469
@ganjahfarmer4469 4 жыл бұрын
@@AliRadicali fax i swear people love apple because its apple
@drstrangelove307
@drstrangelove307 4 жыл бұрын
AliRadicali mhhh, PC Master Race, the best of all
@A.Lifecraft
@A.Lifecraft 4 жыл бұрын
Question is, why can they charge the same prices for lower quality, and the answer is: Propaganda and marketing keeps people from avoiding bad cinema. People are now consumers, not citizen, and consumers don't even receive profound movie criticism. Sad thing is, the same principle applies to about anything from food to politics to climate change. Only when you get rid of the TV and deliberately consume alternative media do you realize how heavily brainwashed average consumers are. This has by now become a serious threat to democracy and the future of our species.
@mariokarter13
@mariokarter13 4 жыл бұрын
"These feel more like products than stories." Don't ask questions, just consume product then get excited for next product.
@arthas640
@arthas640 4 жыл бұрын
its depressing how often i hear reviewers and fans that say "yeah the last one sucked but the producers says they fixed one of the problems so the next one will be better!" 20 times in a row. Just look at Sonic fans, Star Wars fans, and iPhone fans mindlessly buy the next product in a series even though the problems they complain about never seem to get fixed.
@mr.goldfish1530
@mr.goldfish1530 4 жыл бұрын
*NO WAGE!* Just buy.
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if people even buy them after release. In the past we'd get excited for the disc release. Now it's just like TV, you watch and forget.
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 4 жыл бұрын
@@arthas640 It's like every new movie is a patch, like in a videogame. "Yes it came broken but they'll fix it."
@JUTUUBFAN
@JUTUUBFAN 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@thesmashgamer4896
@thesmashgamer4896 4 жыл бұрын
I understand the old grandpas who are saying that everything was better before. I will become one of them, too.
@Sandwich13455
@Sandwich13455 4 жыл бұрын
That's so true, I've been wondering if I sound like an old fuddy-duddy to my wee boy.
@franwex
@franwex 4 жыл бұрын
My dad is old and he likes new movies too. I think he prefers them over older ones.
@LukeMotionz
@LukeMotionz 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but then you got the guys who hate stuff just because it's new. I hope I don't become that jaded and bitter when I'm older lol.
@thereisnospace
@thereisnospace 4 жыл бұрын
@@LukeMotionz I think that it depends on the attitude towards life. Having a progressive mindset definitely helps. Being almost 40 i sometimes catch myself being dismissive against stuff young people do and like but in these moments i try to think about my own youth and how it was. How my parents and older people saw and judged me and my generation. (just think of all the millennial memes) So i try to keep an open mind about stuff. ı am surely a bit biased about the stuff that is more familiar to me. Even if i don't like it i try to give it at least the props it deserves. Ultimately i think, as long as i keep finding new movies, music and art that i like that is done by younger people, even if it is different, i think i wont be the grumpy guy in the room :D
@aleksandari.7834
@aleksandari.7834 4 жыл бұрын
@@LukeMotionz I believe that our biggest fear from getting old, is that we end up lonely. But, I believe we are now in the pinnacle of loneliness, so it can only get better. :D
@FDLink
@FDLink 4 жыл бұрын
The Star Wars analysis is spot on. These new films will not stand the test of time because they feel as though they were conceived in a boardroom and treated as products to be packaged and shipped on a deadline
@alibird7924
@alibird7924 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly like the MCU.
@thewriterforge
@thewriterforge 4 жыл бұрын
@@alibird7924 i have to strongly disagree with that. Simply because the mcu feels like the comics come to life and that is enough for them to stand the test if time like their comic book counter parts. Not all the movies will but the mcu in general will.
@ForceMaximus84
@ForceMaximus84 4 жыл бұрын
Because they were. Disney dropped Lucas’ ideas in favor of “something for fans”, which basically means the same thing we saw before, but slightly different.
@youturd55
@youturd55 4 жыл бұрын
@Brock Obama what about Hans Solo?
@2ndairborneguy790
@2ndairborneguy790 4 жыл бұрын
@@alibird7924 well I think that the MCU is different because there bringing comic book stories to the big screen and when they do that, they want to do it in a crowd-pleasing way. And a lot of the people who directed people's favorite Marvel movies aren't well connected to Disney. The Guardians Movies, The Winter Solider, Thor Ragnorok, Infinity War, Iron Man, and Endgame all feel stylistic and like real stories. The Russo brothers want to do more than make money.
@Ordo250
@Ordo250 4 жыл бұрын
I had this conversation with someone recently, not as in depth, but we got to the conclusion that everything now is about sales numbers, clicks, and social media trends, when what has always made art great is passion, and it's lacking today with people pushing for money over passion
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Yup!
@thesmashgamer4896
@thesmashgamer4896 4 жыл бұрын
They just need to stop with sequels, prequels and remakes. They should do new films we have never seen before. I mean, when did we get the last new very popular franchise? The last one was the mcu in 2008 and that's it...
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@dilsherdhaliwal3666
@dilsherdhaliwal3666 4 жыл бұрын
DCEU to a far lesser extent if you want to be technical
@DJUnknown2011
@DJUnknown2011 4 жыл бұрын
John Wick came out in 2014 and that has become the new popular action franchise.
@thesmashgamer4896
@thesmashgamer4896 4 жыл бұрын
@@DJUnknown2011 yeah but it's not a very big franchise. There is nothing else beside the john wick movies like in star wars, marvel or lord of the rings, etc...
@DJUnknown2011
@DJUnknown2011 4 жыл бұрын
@@thesmashgamer4896 you are right but very few franchises get as big as the mcu.
@GeneralDioxide
@GeneralDioxide 4 жыл бұрын
Accessible ≠ lazy, or it doesn’t have to.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
All fifteen minutes, summed up in one sentence.
@rascoehunter3608
@rascoehunter3608 4 жыл бұрын
Also I feel that the PG-13 rating also hinders these movies too.
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 4 жыл бұрын
@@rascoehunter3608 No that's the same fallacy this comment is talking about. A quick google search of great PG 13 movies and you can quickly see the very best movies ever made are on the list. LOTR, AVENGERS, INTERSTELLAR etc. So no, its all down to the creativity and skill of the directors and writers.
@rascoehunter3608
@rascoehunter3608 4 жыл бұрын
@@arnowisp6244 What I meant to say was that some film makers don't know how to use it more effectively causing some of the movies too safe and too clean.
@ahzekahriman5840
@ahzekahriman5840 4 жыл бұрын
Arno Wisp LoTR is good for a few watches to me, but films like Alien, Terminator, Fight Club, Bladerunner, Dirty Harry, The Godfather and several others wouldn't be on there. That isn't to say there are bad 13/PG movies. Jaws is ironically rated PG after all these years. Movies like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly are also in the PG camp iirc. My point is that a rating doesn't much matter. Some of the best films ever made were not rated 13 and some were. If the film is good it is good, and one could theoretically argue that the majority of 13 movies are bad (as there are far more 13 movies than anything else). Ratings do create blocks though and some of these blocks make no sense sometimes. Like I said with Jaws, rated PG that has a man bitten in half, a severed leg, a dead woman on a beach and a dead child yet still rated PG.
@chicostephenson
@chicostephenson 4 жыл бұрын
this assembly line form of movie making is getting old. and people are starting to notice. if studio executives would just leave people alone and let them make movies we'd actually get something original.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@aaronstark5060
@aaronstark5060 4 жыл бұрын
People are starting to notice, but they aren’t starting to care. They go anyway.
@rra7490
@rra7490 4 жыл бұрын
We need to support independent films, art, writing, that’s how we get good new stuff. The old Hollywood executives are stale.
@timothymcnaughton531
@timothymcnaughton531 4 жыл бұрын
@@aaronstark5060 people place too much faith in something that they are 90% sure is going to be dogshit anyway. Studios don't take risks anymore because they know they can follow a formula and still make a shitload of money. Also, franchises sell, that's why they love them. Its why Disney paid an obscene amount for Star Wars. Because they knew no matter what they paid for it, it would be dwarved by the amount of money it would pull in.
@aaronstark5060
@aaronstark5060 4 жыл бұрын
Timothy McNaughton You’re preaching to the converted! I have this debate all the time with friends! Most recently, a friend of my was talking about going to see the Sonic movie. I said, “you know it’s going to be garbage, right?” He said yeah. “But you’re going anyway.” Yeah. “Why?” Shrugs his shoulders.
@caammm88
@caammm88 4 жыл бұрын
It makes me a bit sad that there will never be a trillogy of films like Lord or The Rings ever made again. Those movies really really are timeless and an emotional journey to get through
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Amen. Those are the best
@beingsshepherd
@beingsshepherd 4 жыл бұрын
Propaganda for Bush's _War on Terror._
@TheDaks27
@TheDaks27 4 жыл бұрын
@@beingsshepherd clearly you have yet to see any of the Lord of the Rings special features
@bemotivated8443
@bemotivated8443 4 жыл бұрын
Cameron Robb-MacKay The dark night Trilogy?
@simonegreco1958
@simonegreco1958 4 жыл бұрын
"t makes me a bit sad that there will never be " You are already wrong You can't possibly know that
@PittsburghSonido
@PittsburghSonido 4 жыл бұрын
I love the analogy of McDonald’s. This can be stated for not just movies and food, but the video game industry, the automotive industry, the housing architectural market, the political scope of the US, hell, even furniture and bathroom sets are all the same. And the moral of this video sums it all up beautifully, studios trying to make as much money as possible by reaching that “most palatable” flavor. The corporatism is just so... boring. And it ruins artistic value and direction. They do, in fact, feel like products instead of someone’s story or “baby”, which of course makes a film, or Blockbuster, so great. Love the video and it exemplifies everything wrong with large studio movies..
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
@kaylemathewcomendador7614
@kaylemathewcomendador7614 4 жыл бұрын
I got a McDonalds ad before this video 😁.
@milkshake26M
@milkshake26M 4 жыл бұрын
that's the fault of the audience though, if people are so willfully stupid and lazy to eat this up then they deserve the soulless bland cinema they get. if i were a corporation i'd do the same thing since lazy storytelling like the MCU suits people enough to get a billion dolar box office at every outing , because people consume movies instead of wanting to let themselves engage and escape into a story.
@kaylemathewcomendador7614
@kaylemathewcomendador7614 4 жыл бұрын
@@milkshake26M Well someone is sounding butthurt today.
@chilli1472
@chilli1472 4 жыл бұрын
milkshake26M If think you need to widen your perspective a bit if you want to assert blame
@dianayoste4626
@dianayoste4626 4 жыл бұрын
Movies have been dumbed down like this to appeal to overseas markets. Worldwide gross has become more prominent this decade so they have to appeal to them like China.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Good point, should have included this in the video
@reviathan3524
@reviathan3524 4 жыл бұрын
I as a person from overseas agreed on that, and I don't like like how they made movies to appeal to us.
@sarasunshinemt4444
@sarasunshinemt4444 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. Chinese investors have dumped A TON of money into the failing studios, and ever since Waterworld failed domestically but hit big in Asia, they have been chasing those audiences since.
@onemorechris
@onemorechris 4 жыл бұрын
...Hollywood is far from high brow dear. Hollywood is about bums on seats, always. and the rest of the world has the cash for it. Hollywood isn’t being interesting or creative because it doesn’t line their pockets
@TheEliadventure
@TheEliadventure 4 жыл бұрын
Why do they have to be "dumbed down" to appeal to non-Americans? The international audience isn't any less or more intelligent or discerning than the domestic
@jimsmagnificentminiaturemo3235
@jimsmagnificentminiaturemo3235 4 жыл бұрын
"Pixar's entire catalog" should be amended to include "before Cars 2."
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Heck, even they're worst movies are better than a lot of the blandness studios like Illumination, Blue Sky, and Sony Animation crank out
@jetfan925
@jetfan925 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow *their
@propheciesofnostradamus6512
@propheciesofnostradamus6512 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow Ice Age 1&2 and Despicable Me 1 would like to have a word with you.
@GuilhermeSilva-hr3zb
@GuilhermeSilva-hr3zb 4 жыл бұрын
@@propheciesofnostradamus6512 They are exceptions, not the rule.
@capnsalt7102
@capnsalt7102 4 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily, Pixar has released some truly great movies post Cars 2
@SpookeyGael
@SpookeyGael 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think we're going to see a break in this trend until studios start going out of business (if Disney doesn't buy all of them out first)
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly, you are probably right
@arthas640
@arthas640 4 жыл бұрын
if at least 1 major studio goes broke we could see a change but as long as people keep buying tons of products/tickets for the same few franchises we wont see any changes.
@krokodil191
@krokodil191 4 жыл бұрын
I am so happy that I found this channel few months ago...I have little advice: try watching some non-american movies...korean, spanish, russian etc..your faith in quality over quantity will be restored.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
I've trying to been branch out lately!
@MrRjhyt
@MrRjhyt 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how many of these will be 'discovered' by a studio and repackaged without those 'awful' subtitles. Though... maybe they lose the reason they were so great in the first place. Ring, Nikita, Old Boy, etc...
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Your Name is being remade in America and it makes me sad. Why do we need an American remake? The original is perfect!
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow WTF! And they only needed to dub it as faithfully to the original. Which already exist and is very good.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
@@arnowisp6244 Exactly!
@DRKNT640
@DRKNT640 4 жыл бұрын
* Children’s access to film increases * * China becomes a huge market for studios around the world * Everyone: hmmmmmmm how could this happen 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Fair point haha
@jetfan925
@jetfan925 4 жыл бұрын
Watch the South Park episode "Band In China" for example.
@arthas640
@arthas640 4 жыл бұрын
I kind of hate it when lazy parents take their kids to mindless franchise films without also taking them to movies that might make them think or might be creative. My dad took me to a wide range of movies when we saw them in theaters, not just the same Disney or Disney-esque films.
@stevenbobbybills
@stevenbobbybills 4 жыл бұрын
@@arthas640 hey, at least some of the Disney studios try a little, what's worse is Illumination or any of the knockoff type studios.
@alexbenavidez4500
@alexbenavidez4500 4 жыл бұрын
I was watching the Men in Black with my mum, and I remember just feeling "damn, this feels so generic" Like beat for beat, you could feel when a certain joke was coming, how a character arc was going to go and act and how the music was going to swell It was very, very samey. My mum loved it. She really likes the mainstream stuff in general, and this type of formulaic movie is exactly targeted to people like her
@MrDman21
@MrDman21 4 жыл бұрын
"Blockbusters" died once the 2010s started. By 2020 you'll be seeing a lot more empty movie theaters.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
2010 did seem to mark a turning point.
@kwameadu0075
@kwameadu0075 4 жыл бұрын
I agree the early 2010s was the decline. I would say that 2015 and on, blockbusters were dead or dying.
@vicholtreman1405
@vicholtreman1405 4 жыл бұрын
For me, pre-2000 is what was the golden era for action movies. A few in the 1990s, but mainly the 80s.
@JustKrin
@JustKrin 4 жыл бұрын
With the rising of streaming and such, I wouldn't be surprised to have both big budget blockbusters and more independent arthouse films released directly to watch at home rather than a movie theater
@JolteOnWisconsin
@JolteOnWisconsin 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who enjoys entertainment/spectacle as well as substance/story, I’d be willing to argue that Interstellar has enough of both to stand out among the crowd. Of course, it’s my favorite movie of all time, and admittedly the plot is both confusing and cliché at times, but I still love it.
@rawb
@rawb 4 жыл бұрын
Your hitting some big notes here dead on my man. Great piece.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DiscountGeek
@DiscountGeek 4 жыл бұрын
“Fast food. Shit people would rather throw out than finish. It's easy. It tastes all right, but it doesn't really provide you any nourishment.” That is a quote from The Weather Man which is directed by Gore “God” Verbinski as well (I worship him as God because The Lone Ranger is probably the best blockbuster I’ve ever seen). Your fast food comparison is spot on because blockbusters are like fast food. It’s like if people are more likely brainwashed with safe and easily digestible films that don’t have any creative theme exploration which is apparently something called “taking risks” now even though we have a massive amount of movies that took “risks” less than two decades ago.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love Gore
@shinseiki2015
@shinseiki2015 4 жыл бұрын
i loved the lone ranger, and i dont even like johnny depp, dont know why people dont like it, it was pure fun to watch
@benstyman7792
@benstyman7792 4 жыл бұрын
This is probably the most underrated channel on KZfaq.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@itsmuhammad2305
@itsmuhammad2305 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow I have been thinking the same these last 6 months.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
@@itsmuhammad2305 You guys are wonderful.
@PittsburghSonido
@PittsburghSonido 4 жыл бұрын
I love smaller KZfaq channels. I find them interesting and different. And it feels good to like, comment, and share the smaller channels because I prefer them over the 12.5 million subscriber channels.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
@@PittsburghSonido Well, I appreciate it!
@efe_aydal
@efe_aydal 4 жыл бұрын
Lol when I talk about modern Hollywood movies, I also give the McDonald's example. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks that.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Great minds!
@ca4129
@ca4129 4 жыл бұрын
Aha Efe başkan 🤘🤘
@eydk556
@eydk556 4 жыл бұрын
Let's just think about how many blockbusters are owned by neo-Disney.
@arthas640
@arthas640 4 жыл бұрын
The depressing part is there are quite a few lesser known studios owned by Disney, and Disney tries to keep it quite since those studios either produce alot of rated R stuff or are viewed as "indie" studios or are viewed as competitors of Disney. They own more mature studios like Vice Media, Lifetime, and A&E as well as "independent/indie" studios like Maker Studios, and studios that may be viewed as competitors like the Muppets, Pixar, Dreamworks, and Touchstone Pictures.
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 4 жыл бұрын
@@arthas640 For a long time most didn't know Disney even owned Marvel Studios. To this day they talk as if they were independent. It's funny because I seemed tk be the only one amogst friends and family to be worried about Disney acqiruing Star Wars; Fox now as well.
@MisterDutch93
@MisterDutch93 4 жыл бұрын
The way you described the difference between the Star Wars prequels and the new sequels was perfect. I could never really place what I didn’t like about the new movies, but you worded it in just the right way. Products vs. Stories.
@mathewboris5295
@mathewboris5295 4 жыл бұрын
Lord of the Rings movies are not summer blockbuster!!!! They got released during December times!
@Dancestar1981
@Dancestar1981 4 жыл бұрын
Mathew Boris summer in the Southern Hemisphere
@Nigel-nv3lr
@Nigel-nv3lr 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dancestar1981 Gottem
@ChristianTurnes
@ChristianTurnes 4 жыл бұрын
I would still consider them blockbusters though. Also besides the summer around Christmas is the time you would probably see a movie. At least for me.
@denisl2760
@denisl2760 4 жыл бұрын
Also, it's not a "trilogy". It is one three-part movie. It's not like they made the first movie, with a self-contained story and then went "hmm, our first story was pretty successful, let's continue it" like in Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, The Matrix, etc.
@Nigel-nv3lr
@Nigel-nv3lr 4 жыл бұрын
@@denisl2760 That still makes it a trilogy. A trilogy doesn't necessarily have to have each movie be their own separate films with their own complete stories
@unicat2190
@unicat2190 4 жыл бұрын
I personally think part of the problem is that the number of people who go to movies is shrinking AND they are being concentrated into less movies that gross more (MCU, Star Wars, JP etc...) So studios feel that they have to make formulaic blockbusters or artsy small films. From what I see Studios need to make more Medium films, and we need to see them, if there are enough Get Outs, A Quiet Places and other artistically substantial but crowdpleasing medium movies, the Blockbusters will slowly become like them too
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The "middle class" of movies has basically disappeared and it's a dang shame.
@TiodaniPKM
@TiodaniPKM 4 жыл бұрын
The video game industry faces this exact same problem (search for "Why We Need Middle Shelf Games"). What's sad about this is that is that these big companies backing mainstream media products are so accomodated by the large reach of its succesful properties and so accostumed to pump obscene amounts of money into advertising for everything they make that they forget that the reason most of these franchises originally got the fame they have were the actual risks they took (as in, either they experimented/innovated with its medium or preferred to deliver a focused experience to a certain demographic instead of a shallow one to everyone).
@joshuafischer684
@joshuafischer684 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how art imitates life here.
@newdivide9882
@newdivide9882 4 жыл бұрын
Center Row I haven’t seen any Netflix movies, but I feel like they could find a nice home there. On streaming services in general really
@duskflower8825
@duskflower8825 4 жыл бұрын
For a movie that is good, super underrated, fun but also filled with passion: the 2013 Secret Life of Walter Mitty. The critics weren’t huge fans of it but it’s quirky, genuinely funny and it feels very, very fresh to me. The cinematography of the opening alone and the soundtrack (Icelandic bands because much of the movie takes place in Iceland and Greenland!) is just entirely beautiful. It has heart and it affected me in an optimistic, slightly more hopeful way without ever trying to nab my emotions. Ben Stiller was just having a great time directing and acting in a movie about seeing the world and reaching out to other people and making genuine connections, and it shows. If you do see it, please let me know what you think! I love hearing people’s reactions to it. P.S Love, love, love your encouragement of storytelling in speculative fiction. My tastes are similar to yours - except maybe less explosions and more dragons (and any scenes where the music swells and takes over - I’m talking the Ride of the Rohirrim and the Immigrant Song scene in Thor: Ragnarok) and I crave good storytelling in those genres.I feel like How To Train Your Dragon did a good job at being a franchise infused with passion. The director flat-out refused to make a sequel to the first one unless he was guaranteed a third movie too to tell a full story. Love being painful and requiring loss is not a usual theme for children’s movies, but it’s unabashedly the main theme in the third movie (and understanding the balance between peacemaking and the time to rise up and fight a main part of the second). I love the second and third best of all. In the second movie, the reunion of Stoick and Valka and the gentleness and unexpected forgiveness offered after twenty years of unresolved pain brings me to tears. In the third movie, I just love the scene where Stoick weeps for the loss of his dead wife but tells his toddler son it was still all worth the pain is so unexpected and important. It allows its characters to hurt and grieve and struggle without glossing over the pain. It does better than action movies made for adults. The passion of storytellers can render artfulness and empathy into the most unlikely of stories.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Walter Mitty is definitely an interesting one that has been forgotten and it's kinda sad. And I love How To Train Your Dragon and the heart they brought to those movies.
@nevermorethan12
@nevermorethan12 4 жыл бұрын
Walter Mitty is awesome. My wife and I will occasionally shout "it's not a por-pose" at each other. Also, you mentioned music swelling and left out that amazing Space Oddity-guitar strumming-jump onto moving helicopter with a drunk pilot scene!
@off-brandproductions
@off-brandproductions 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Walter Mitty may be one of my favorite films. The critics can go screw themselves.
@kaila62kaila
@kaila62kaila 4 жыл бұрын
Loved that too!
@joliethevenot4596
@joliethevenot4596 4 жыл бұрын
You're so right! I've felt this way about more recent movies for a while now but couldn't put words to it, thanks for doing it for us.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@nocando17
@nocando17 4 жыл бұрын
I mean I see people complain about this over and over, but will things ever change is the real question? Because as long as people are seeing these uncreative movies that go with the path of business, they are unlikely to change.
@pinecone9619
@pinecone9619 4 жыл бұрын
"Boring films" shows the godfather
@BSBSDerivative
@BSBSDerivative 4 жыл бұрын
I really love the godfather. But...it does feel like a bit of a chore to get through.
@pinecone9619
@pinecone9619 4 жыл бұрын
Clayton Lopez clearly you don't know how to appreciate beautiful camerawork
@Ghorda9
@Ghorda9 4 жыл бұрын
boring is a purely subjective word that can't effectively be used anywhere without the user describing why they think something is boring.
@LinkMarioSamus
@LinkMarioSamus 4 жыл бұрын
@@BSBSDerivative I disagree, although I wouldn't want to watch it often. When I saw it last year I never felt the movie dragged at all. Prefer Goodfellas though.
@vicholtreman1405
@vicholtreman1405 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, this video is SO on point it's ridiculous. Well said. I've also lost my excitement for summer movies and look forward more to the off-season releases. Subscribed.
@JamesMcCormickIV
@JamesMcCormickIV 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Was trying to voice why I kinda agree with Scorsese's comment about cinema. It's not that I dislike the MCU films--it's just that they stopped trying to push for anything deeper, anything outside the cookie cutter, paint by numbers plotting, and predictable heart tugging. It's like they set out to build a story that will hit their box office projections--and then they stop. Scorsese is also using the term cinema NOT to mean movie, but as meaning the artistry and creation of a film, as well as the film as a whole. It's more than just being an incredibly well manufactured product (which Marvel films are). There's also the other problem that a couple people below mention as "CHINA." Yes. That specifically. But also, the FOUR QUADRANT TENT POLE. You literally can't make ALIENS or T2 or LETHAL WEAPON or ROBOCOP. These classics of blockbuster cinema are simply too narrow for modern day studios. They want it all. ...and along with trying to appeal to everyone, the films end up being too afraid they're going to offend anyone. If you compare JOKER to TAXI DRIVER, even JOKER is a somewhat cookie cutter imitation of TAXI DRIVER. It's not really saying anything, or pushing the boundaries that TAXI DRIVER didn't already do 40 years earlier. In a way, despite the outrage marketing, it's a WB stamped seal of approval tamer four quadrant version of TAXI DRIVER. Studios want safe. It's what keeps their films a product, and not cinema.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@gentlesirpancakebottoms6692
@gentlesirpancakebottoms6692 4 жыл бұрын
I would put AAA games in the same category. There is the occasional good one. But take away all the microtransactions, loot boxes, dlc and all other toxic monetization making games bad and whats left is a very good looking but usually very bland, uninspireing and boring skeleton of a game.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Basically!
@ryenwthomas
@ryenwthomas 4 жыл бұрын
Man of Steel is an example of a blockbuster film that has more to offer the more you watch it. It’s more than a huge fight scene at the end.
@skywalkerhunter95
@skywalkerhunter95 4 жыл бұрын
Pre 2010: Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Lion King, Titanic, Terminator, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Avatar Post 2010: Marvel, marvel, marvel, marvel, marvel, marvel, marvel, marvel=DISNEY
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Mhmmm
@redseagaming7832
@redseagaming7832 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Matrix trilogy I don't care what people say I like all three movies. Also some of my favorite unique movies that came out in the 80s like Dark Crystal and Jim Henson's Labrinth aliens Braveheart Schindler's List Saving Private Ryan catch me if you can lots of great movies
@slimmachado5405
@slimmachado5405 4 жыл бұрын
Post 2010: Star Wars,Jurassic Park,Lion King,Terminator,The Hobbit,Harry Potter.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
It's a little depressing.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
The Matrix Trilogy has a lot going for it, it's definitely unique, which is more than you can say about most movies today.
@itszalien7513
@itszalien7513 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is so good, every video is a banger
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@petercarioscia9189
@petercarioscia9189 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yes! There are a couple of phenomenal channels in this vein, and this one is definitely in the upper echelon. I hope he starts to blow up and get the recognition he deserves.
@itszalien7513
@itszalien7513 4 жыл бұрын
it’s ok to smirk I totally Agree
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@kennywalloch7486
@kennywalloch7486 4 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to here your opinion on how the evolution of the James Bond movies might relate to this topic
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@lordbanetheplayer8844
@lordbanetheplayer8844 4 жыл бұрын
Homogenization is the process of removing the fat from milk. The "Milk" being the movie, and the "fat" being the plot.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Ooo, a good point! Making my metaphor so much better!
@Hulkforce103
@Hulkforce103 4 жыл бұрын
Your analysis of Star Wars is halfway on point. While I see Solo and Rogue One being films that were pushed out for mere commercialization, I will forever Argue that The Last Jedi is Rian Johnson’s Star Wars Film. He wrote it, he directed it, he got to do with those characters whatever he wanted to, and whether you agree with his choices or not, he put his heart into that film. For me, I see it more experimental than the others, just like Logan.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
I'd agree actually, I like how TLJ actually took some big swings
@sensur1
@sensur1 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. But the problem is that 1) It was the middle movie of a trilogy and 2) His heart that went into this film was hugely divisive and oftentimes very contradicting to the established universe that pissed many fans off (including me). But you are correct that it wasnt a commercial streamlined product. But i do have to question why that particular director got so much creative freedoms with that particular franchise. The creative freedoms isnt necessary a net positive as the pitfalls are still there. IMO TLJ stands out as the worst SW movie made and i credit that to the director abusing the source material too much.
@Hulkforce103
@Hulkforce103 4 жыл бұрын
sensur1 yea that whole argument about it contradicting stuff always confuses me. The force is mysterious, we (just like the Jedi and Sith) shouldn’t lock it into functions and keep it from expanding. Stuff like that for me is brilliant, taking ideas and stretching them into areas new and untouched. Also, you should try to watch the film from the perspective of it as a self contained film. Just because you didn’t like the decisions made for the characters in the movie does not make it a BAD movie. I mean the cinematography, direction, art design, sound design, musical composition, acting, writing, and action choreography are some of the best in the entire series (and yes there are bad parts of the script, I know) Belittling the film to such a low point is frankly arrogant, when we have Star Wars films like The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones that are outright badly made movies. While I can go into a discussion about how George Lucas’s lack of input from others weakened the film, I feel that for The Last Jedi it’s single-writer approach take on the series compelled the series into something much bigger and more cinematic than if 3 people had input on the script. Seriously though, I’ve heard people say they didn’t like Infinity War because of how it ends. Hell I’ve outright heard people say the movie sucked because of how it ended. And I’ll tell TLJ haters the same thing I told them. Just because you didn’t like or agree with the outcome of the story doesn’t weaken the film’s intention. Also, if Rian Johnson has “abused” the source material than he would have done something like have Finn use the force because he “really really” tried to. Or have Leía start force pushing all of the First Orders ships around like they were air hockey pucks. Stuff like that would be damaging to the source, but I completely disagree that he did damage to the definition of the force, or any part of the established universe. He expanded it. Hell, Ron Howard did much more damage to Han Solo’s character, but no one calls that movie the “worst in the franchise” And lastly, I didn’t mean for this to start an argument, I merely wanted to share my thoughts on these common misconceptions about TLJ, I know I’m not going to change anyone’s mind at this point.
@Hulkforce103
@Hulkforce103 4 жыл бұрын
Also let me just say this to be clear. Star Wars toxic fandom has ruined Star Wars. No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. It’s honestly made my excitement for The Rise of Skywalker diminish as a result. It’s a movie series, not a 4 year degree program. (And yes, I am part of the problem)
@SolarScion
@SolarScion 4 жыл бұрын
If TLJ script didn't have multiple sets of fingerprints on it at several stages then I'm a pickled duck. And Rogue One actually got taken over by another director because it wasn't made by a yes man or Kathleen's pet. You think the biggest risk in the franchise (2nd part of trilogy) is the only one that wasn't heavily interfered with and/or had directors dropped from it? The risks were calculated for maximum shitstorm, it was just a bad calculation. None of these films have not been design by committee or at least design by Producer. The difference is Iger wasn't paying attention when he should have been.
@joshthecritique
@joshthecritique 4 жыл бұрын
I'm actually reading The Way of Kings right now!
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Goooooood.
@morrisonb8783
@morrisonb8783 4 жыл бұрын
That's the most important step a man can take.
@tecroy
@tecroy 4 жыл бұрын
As an aspiring film director it's nice to hear someone who enjoys Blockbusters to say they would rather see someone take chances and fail than to play it safe. Thank you
@Chameleon1616
@Chameleon1616 4 жыл бұрын
“I love... BIG...” Me: AAAAAAAAHH “Movies” Me: oh.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Is it weird I have the same reaction every time I watch this, even though I edited it?
@Chameleon1616
@Chameleon1616 4 жыл бұрын
My, your quick At replying I mean
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
My phone shoots me notifications when people comment on my stuff!
@Chameleon1616
@Chameleon1616 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow A fellow rebel against KZfaq mobile I see.
@ForceMaximus84
@ForceMaximus84 4 жыл бұрын
“Now, excuse me while I whip this out.” “AHHHH!”
@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect
@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for "The Homogenization of KZfaq Movie Reviews" video!
@gipsydanger7379
@gipsydanger7379 4 жыл бұрын
The 60s was the greatest time for films ever. Dr Stragelove, Lawrence of Arabia, 2001 A Space Odessay, and The Dollars Trilogy. They don't make em like that anymore...
@icecreamhero2375
@icecreamhero2375 4 жыл бұрын
The Sponegbob Squarpants movie came out in 2004 and it was really good.
@HamzaAnsari1425
@HamzaAnsari1425 4 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree. 70's cinema was the best, not just in Hollywood - but international as well.
@vaporwave4880
@vaporwave4880 4 жыл бұрын
You can say the exact same thing about every previous decade including the 2000s. You listed like 4 films, and then used them to sum up the whole decade. That's too easy.
@SolarScion
@SolarScion 4 жыл бұрын
@@vaporwave4880 Not really, there's also the added realization that films of that kind would not get made today. Too complex, too avant-garde, too serious for the setting.
@vaporwave4880
@vaporwave4880 4 жыл бұрын
@@SolarScion Not buying. There's plenty of avante garde material coming out in the modern era. You choose to ignore it because you're blindsided by the illusion of shallow pop culture entertainment. Look a bit deeper.
@Boris99999
@Boris99999 4 жыл бұрын
Pacific Rim 1 - the “Neon Genesis Evangelion” adaptation we needed; Pacific Rim 2 - the “Neon Genesis Evangelion” adaptation we’ve deserved...
@rubblerage1101
@rubblerage1101 3 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the day when more people like you get involved in the film industry. It's gonna be a new golden age of cinema
@corkydonkins2748
@corkydonkins2748 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really thankful to find this channel. You and I share many of the same frustrations with modern cinema, but you present them in such a thoughtful, optimistic way. I sincerely appreciate the work you do, and look forward to your future videos. Cheers!
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Well I'm glad you found me! Thanks for watching!
@line4169
@line4169 4 жыл бұрын
End of Evangelion is the greatest example of artistic blockbuster done right! It has everything you want in an action movie & the second half of the movie will blow roofs of your mind with artistic ambition......! Just watch it! It's a masterpiece!
@ChrisParlett
@ChrisParlett 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just here to like, agree and comment for the algorithm.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
It's appreciated
@natesmodelsdoodles5403
@natesmodelsdoodles5403 4 жыл бұрын
love how you brought up Bumblebee. put it side by side with the 2007 transformers (which has some superficially similar beats) and you really start to see the difference that Knight made.
@CGFMovies
@CGFMovies 4 жыл бұрын
The last 4 minutes of this I agree with 100%. Story, creative control, and writing are the upmost important thing to creating a GREAT movie. To quote the Joker: “It’s not about money, it’s about sending a message.”
@TheSDB13
@TheSDB13 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the three most recent James Bond movies illustrate this trend well. Quantum of Solace tried to do something different but failed, Skyfall succeeded in being unique while hitting the Bond movies points, and Spectre was a boring drag that is forgettable but earned money.
@starwarsroo2448
@starwarsroo2448 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Quantum was made during the writers strike, which is why it was so short. I prefer it to Skyfall as Skyfall was a return to the silliness of the older movies, and it had come away from that, partly due to Bourne
@hgwells1899
@hgwells1899 4 жыл бұрын
I feel that Casino Royale, Quantum (the weakest), and the epic Skyfall were the perfect trilogy. Craig should've walked away then, job done, 50th Anniversary honoured. Even watching the first time, it was clear that "Kincade" was meant to be Connery, for example, that there was more going on here than just the next in a line of badly cloned copies. I can't see anything post-Skyfall living up it, or any reason to waste cash money on trying and failing to recapture it. At this point, me and Mr Bond, we got nothing going on
@starwarsroo2448
@starwarsroo2448 4 жыл бұрын
@@hgwells1899 he's too old and didnt look arsed in the last one. The Kincade character was just basically Alfred from Batman, it was thin. It should of bedn the ex 007 or nothing
@erichurd7605
@erichurd7605 4 жыл бұрын
Quantum was a decent script with some potentially interesting set pieces totally ruined by incompetent directing and horrible editing.
@starwarsroo2448
@starwarsroo2448 4 жыл бұрын
@@erichurd7605 some alright action scenes, it was just a bit short, Bond was brutal in it. Wasnt as good as License To Kill, but it could of been
@bbaerga121697
@bbaerga121697 4 жыл бұрын
The extented editions of those lord of the rings are godlike
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
I just saw the extended editions again in theaters and they are even more god like on the big screen.
@Sandwich13455
@Sandwich13455 4 жыл бұрын
What's so different to the TV edition?
@adronator
@adronator 4 жыл бұрын
BOOBIE FEET An extra hour or so of extended scenes per movie. Once you watch them you can’t go back to the theatrical versions.
@micshork
@micshork 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry I disagree, the SW Prequels surpass the Sequels.
@Night-db2oh
@Night-db2oh 4 жыл бұрын
When the background music is so far back in the background
@ooPHOENIXoo
@ooPHOENIXoo 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect perfect review! Hollywood is relying more on special affects than good writing and acting. It's pathetic and quite specifically "damn lazy!" All movies now have the exact same template as far as the film, trailers, and Woke messaging. Boring
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ahzekahriman5840
@ahzekahriman5840 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite films aren't incredibly fast paced. There Will Be Blood is one of my all time favorites. No Country for Old Men is another. There are fewer movies today that I actually want to see.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@KillerEggFromOuterSpace
@KillerEggFromOuterSpace 4 жыл бұрын
This sums it up perfectly! Honestly, whenever I hear about how the MCU is not cinema or blockbusters don't deserve Oscars, I refer back to Jaws and Indiana Jones which are prime examples of how Art and Pop Culture can be one. Art doesn't have to be doom and gloom in the real world just like how Pop Culture doesn't have to be just popcorn flicks and blue lasers to space. A perfect example of the two being one is Mad Max: Fury Road, a fourth installment in an action franchise that still was absolutely stunning and deserving of its Best Picture Nomination despite its summer blockbuster release. I hope more films like it gets nominated or at least recognized as art, high budgeted art. Logan, Pixar, Spider-verse, and more deserve praise and recognition by more than just the "fanboy population," and have it be seen as films worth studying and awarding. Great video! Can't wait to see more
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thanks for watching!
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 4 жыл бұрын
Martin Scorsese's comment about the MCU not being Cinema is not entirely wrong, however I feel that James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy movies are the exception because he was allowed much more freedom to experiment since the films were a gamble. The rest of the MCU is pretty bland though I will say. There are some good things, but not as good as it could be. Like Spider-Man - the Tom Holland movies have been pretty safe flicks compared to the Raimi trilogy and ItSV, so I don't enjoy them anywhere near as much. Yeah I enjoy Spider-Man 3 more than the MCU Spidey flicks.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I disagree with him but kinda see where he is coming from
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow it kind of reinforces my belief that some Comics should just stay as Comics because if you try to stick very close to the source material to appease fans the movies aren't as creative, or if you try too get creative with the movies there's a good chance that the fans aren't going to like it, kind of defeating the purpose in both areas. I think that the medium is under utilized with the potential storytelling that people know based on reading stuff by Alan Moore and Frank Miller (pre-300)
@SolarScion
@SolarScion 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely disagree about Guardians. The first one was stupid fun, but it was so in exactly the same way as the rest of the MCU. Silly costumes, flat, cheap, and cliche humor, mediocre makeup "aliens" and uneven casting. The second was so bad I actually got angry enough to shut it off 3/4 of the way through.
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 4 жыл бұрын
@@SolarScion I actually like the second one more than the first one. I say experiment because the neon color scheme, the soundtrack, and the comedic tone was different from the rest of the MCU at the time. Afterwards the rest of the MCU pretty much adopted Guardian's comedic tone, badly I might add
@90sgrandad42
@90sgrandad42 4 жыл бұрын
Ace Möwick Scorsese’s comments are kinda wrong(and irrelevant)from the get-go considering he hasn’t even watched MCU films. Not to mention, even by his own definition(which I don’t really agree with), the vast majority of the MCU is still cinema.
@jordanwalters6633
@jordanwalters6633 4 жыл бұрын
Same with modern music, all sounding the same because of the formula. It's a part of the inevitable cultural decline of our civilisation. Generally speaking it will only get worse.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@beingsshepherd
@beingsshepherd 4 жыл бұрын
Going hand-in-glove with moral decline; e.g. gun massacres, extreme porn and drone kills.
@isharkyshark3974
@isharkyshark3974 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, to be fair though, there is still great music being made. You just have to look beyond the mainstream and go indie. Same case with movies.
@jordanwalters6633
@jordanwalters6633 4 жыл бұрын
@@isharkyshark3974 Unfortunately it's the mainstream that shapes cultural hence "popular culture". Not to mention the reliance of older properties and its nostalgia. Bringing back old icons to perform through hologram tech. How much blame falls on us as consumers? Interesting stuff, would like to be optimistic but I think I'd be kidding myself
@isharkyshark3974
@isharkyshark3974 4 жыл бұрын
@@jordanwalters6633 I meant for the individual who wants to look beyond what is popular and mainstream. I know that is what shapes culture, but that doesn't mean that culture is essentially good by any means.
@kingofcliche
@kingofcliche 4 жыл бұрын
Pacific Rim is about robots smashing into MONSTERS! (and it's not dumb, thank you very much) Also, yes, the sequel is trash.
@Luca-bv5ic
@Luca-bv5ic 4 жыл бұрын
I've literally always tried to explain my movie tastes and this video basically sums it up: blockbusters either have substance or take risks.
@everfaithful9272
@everfaithful9272 4 жыл бұрын
I've been on this site for almost 15 years and this is the best KZfaq video I've ever seen. Thank you. It articulated everything about movies, and stories in general, that I've ever felt but never fully knew how to express. I feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest somehow. Liked, subscribed, and bookmarked.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you so much!
@jbird_inc
@jbird_inc 4 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time the word ‘blockbuster’ is said 😂
@jollysteffen
@jollysteffen 4 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 30k. You really deserve it don't give up. 🤘👌
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jollysteffen
@jollysteffen 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow I actually just heard about you recently again in a video about summer projects and it reminded me to come back and see if you uploaded.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you came back!
@LuxurioMusic
@LuxurioMusic 4 жыл бұрын
"These feel more like products than stories."
@poposterous236
@poposterous236 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like an argument like this has been made every 2 years since 1985. You're not wrong, though. It's just a sentiment that I'm getting bored of hearing over and over again.
@nathanielyee2535
@nathanielyee2535 4 жыл бұрын
The ultimate paradox! Where complaints about things being to unoriginal and formulaic themselves become unoriginal and formulaic.
@chobyriley417
@chobyriley417 4 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Yee not so much a paradox, just ironic
@tissot233
@tissot233 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. It's also a bit of a never-ending cycle where a sentiment or a huge risk taking movie becomes a cultural phenomenon and let's studios take risks before going back. Though, what is different is that the market truly has changed compared to past 50 years. 750 million Europeans watch plenty of American movies, but they have never been as avid blockbuster movie watchers as the rising Asian market. You can see this first hand in places like China, South Korea and Southeast Asia where teenagers are spending much of their time in multiplexes that is not as hard wired for European teens.
@jspaingreene6350
@jspaingreene6350 4 жыл бұрын
@@chobyriley417 True enough. He's on to something though....
@jspaingreene6350
@jspaingreene6350 4 жыл бұрын
As an old person (lol), I'm glad you made this point. It HAS been going on that long. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it though - because it has changed over time. One example: the studios are far more brazen about the recycling. Disney has to be the worst in that regard. Curious what you think.
@MASTEROFEVIL
@MASTEROFEVIL 4 жыл бұрын
Modern movies now a days are usually either pushing a political message or trying to impress China
@JNST2023
@JNST2023 4 жыл бұрын
Watching your video, your arguments can totally and definitely be applied to Video Games aswell
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting point...now I'm just going to remake the exact same video but change all the movie references to video game references...
@JNST2023
@JNST2023 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow I would watch that, no questions asked. Great content as always !
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jefferyjones8399
@jefferyjones8399 4 жыл бұрын
Inception is one of those movies that fulfills both the blockbuster and prestige genres.
@collincabrera2270
@collincabrera2270 4 жыл бұрын
I think using the Michael Bay directed Transformers movies compared to Bumblebee really sells the idea of how passion can really set a movie apart within a franchise.
@theheardtheorem
@theheardtheorem 4 жыл бұрын
Blockbusters have pretty much been unoriginal and generic for the last 30 years. The simple explanation for people thinking that blockbusters used to be better is the power of nostalgia. Younger movie goers aren’t aware of the tropes and are able to enjoy the spectacle. As you get older, you realize you’ve seen all this before but still hold a special place for the movies of your youth.
@TheChevLss
@TheChevLss 4 жыл бұрын
The Fifth Element would be my favourite sci-fi movie that dared to be original. Luc Besson's masterpiece really. But it didn't fit the Star Wars formula so it didn't make a lot of money. But when James Gunn essentially ripped it off and mashed it into the Marvel mold=box office gold, we got Guardians of the Galaxy! And therein lays the problem, the sheeple only line up for things they recognize as familiar/formulaic, "I know I'll like that!" movies. Dredd from 2012 is another great example that failed to bring in the cash cow but is a masterpiece of storytelling. Look no further than Bladerunner 2409 and Alita, Battle Angel this year as recent victims of this aversion to the unfamiliar by the masses. If it don't fit the formula, they'll wait till Netflix and chill...…. Up next, Jar Jar Abrahms presents Star Wars Formula IX Rise of the StudioKiller.
@mileskay7566
@mileskay7566 4 жыл бұрын
TheChevLss I'd argue that Guardians was not only a better movie but quite different. On top of which, its similarities to Fifth Element often worsened it.
@isharkyshark3974
@isharkyshark3974 4 жыл бұрын
I see no similarities between Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy. Also, I am excited about Episode IX, so shut up.
@highlands
@highlands 4 жыл бұрын
@@mileskay7566 You would definitely lose that argument.
@davidburl9871
@davidburl9871 4 жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING commentary on film. The breakdown of the movement of cinema is ON POINT.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@_Dovar_
@_Dovar_ 4 жыл бұрын
Most of these are uncomparably worse than "The Lord of the Rings".
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
It's true, that's my gold standard
@joesycamore2899
@joesycamore2899 4 жыл бұрын
That's why I loved Passengers. Not everyone's cup of tea but an original film
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@zaltmanbleroze
@zaltmanbleroze 4 жыл бұрын
It was crap.
@joesycamore2899
@joesycamore2899 4 жыл бұрын
@@zaltmanbleroze your opinion not mine
@SolarScion
@SolarScion 4 жыл бұрын
It needed a better ending, but it was still one of the best sci fi dramas in several years, even if that isn't saying much.
@shinndig1293
@shinndig1293 4 жыл бұрын
Joe Sycamore He’s right, the film was completely misdirected.
@efe_aydal
@efe_aydal 4 жыл бұрын
Godzilla King of Monsters. It was exactly like that. Just a big cliche movie.
@shinndig1293
@shinndig1293 4 жыл бұрын
And yet ignorant fans still just ate it up.
@rgama1173
@rgama1173 4 жыл бұрын
Well I found the movie great, what did you find clishe in it, the characters? Or the humanity is an infection? Because those element where boring, but the point movie was the gigantic monster I pay to see
@vexaris1890
@vexaris1890 4 жыл бұрын
But.. it wasn't. It really wasn't. It inherited many themes from previous Toho-Godzilla movies, it was made by someone who loves Godzilla since he was three, the music was amazing. So far, it was the best movie I've seen from this year.
@adamdebenham6229
@adamdebenham6229 4 жыл бұрын
That movie is different in my opinion because the whole reason you go is to watch monsters kick each other’s asses
@rgama1173
@rgama1173 4 жыл бұрын
@@vexaris1890 Exactly, he knows what he is talking about.
@remkoburger6595
@remkoburger6595 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis man! Thank you
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@SamuelKristopher
@SamuelKristopher 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of those rare moments when one realizes they've been lied to their whole life. Honestly, I watch a lot of film analysis videos, trashing and judging stuff here and there, but this video has made me think more about storytelling in film and quality in film than I have in a long time. KZfaq rarely recommends me good channels but its knocked the ball out of the park with this one, brilliant stuff. Should love to see more
@SamuelKristopher
@SamuelKristopher 3 жыл бұрын
Fuck it man, wrote the comment halfway through, finished it and did the works - liked, subscribed, belled. This is the content I want to see on youtube. Fuckin good effort man.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 3 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelKristopher Thank you so much for the kind words!
@Nejvyn
@Nejvyn 4 жыл бұрын
You: Pirates 4 and 5 were so bland I even forgot I saw them. Me: Oh, come on, they were not _that_ bad. You: For example, when Jack is forced to marry an ugly fat lady ... Me: ... I TOTALLY forgot that was a thing.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@BillGunslinger
@BillGunslinger 4 жыл бұрын
4 is just forgettable 5 is the one I WANT to forget
@yanstein8464
@yanstein8464 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillGunslinger i forgot 5 the second i came out of the cinema
@Jorendo
@Jorendo 4 жыл бұрын
I want movies like Back to the Future again. Movies that were movie magic. Not the copy paste crap we get today. Yeah sure i like my super hero movies...BUT THEY ARE ALL THE FREAKING SAME. I want movies like the Gremlings again for the same reason, when they were still creative. Movies like Starship Troopers, brainsless but entertaining action, they didn't go for ultra shiny polish, they chose soap actors for a reason, everything in that movie was done on purpose and all those imperfections made it the perfect action movie. I miss the older Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, day's when we still had real action heroes. Him, Sylvester Stalone, Jean Claude van Dame, gods those were amazing days to grow up as a kid. Always looking forward to see any of their latest movies. I can't even say who is a action hero these day's, i don't think we have any. You need to get your old school Action hero fix from the Expendables....CAUSE THOSE ARE ALL THE OLD ACTION HEROES IN ONE FLIPPING MOVIE. Sure there is Jason Statham but even he is 52 now, he is from the era just after the big days. The inbetween one, i guess he is the last real action hero who i can remember, but any of today's age, no idea. Holywood also needs to ditch CGI overleaded bullshit. My gods, drop that horrible shit. CGI should be there as a little extra, not be the main thing of your F'ing movie. Old movies are timeless to me. The old Star Wars movies, the old Jurassic Park movies, etc. Cause they still build the space ships as big models, they used animatronics, and sure JP was famous for the first movie to actually use CGI dinosaurs, but it was still a balanced mix of Animatronics and CGI, making the Dinosaurs way more believeable then that shit we get in Jurassic World and pretty much any monster movie these days. Movie studios don't give a damn anymore, they know the super hero movies make the big money, so why bother letting people be creative, it's about max profit margins, they are easy to get with Super heroes and part 7000 of the Hunger Games.
@beingsshepherd
@beingsshepherd 4 жыл бұрын
Artistic geniuses no longer cast their peals before swine; which suits: politicians, the masses and the market just fine.
@90sgrandad42
@90sgrandad42 4 жыл бұрын
Jorendo so endgame and Spider man FFH are the same? GOTG and Logan? Shazam and Dr strange?
@Jorendo
@Jorendo 4 жыл бұрын
@@90sgrandad42 The MAJORITY of the marvel movies feel and look the same. They all got the same filters on them. The stories are rather standard. 1st movie, Hero origin story (in case of spiderman we had 3 damn origin movies now, sure the one with Tom Holland did it only briefly but come on, didn't need to do the whole thing again with being a new hero on the block). 2nd movie, Hero faces a enemy he/she can't defeat or so it seems but then gets stronger or another hero joins the scene and buddies up, this is often the movie were the hero gets introduced to the whole universe or gets a established team/partner. 3rd movie, come after they joined the Avengers or took part in other hero movies. Yes, most of the marvle movies are following the same standard route, having likewise stories, don't do much different from each other. I'm not saying it's bad, but seeing we get several hero movies per year these day's it gets a bit samey. I skip over hero movies that i have no interest in cause i'm not missing anything important for the Avengers story line anyway. I didn't see Captain Marvel till a few days ago and only cause it was on the disney streaming service (Netherlands has early access to test Disney+). I wasn't boycotting the movie cause of all the bullshit aroudn it, even without that i wasn't gonna see it in the cinema, cause it doesn't interest me. Now i seen it and it was as standard as a origin story you can get. They thropes of friends/people they look up too being the villian of the story again applied here. Yes Logan and Deadpool are different, but they are made by another company. They aren't owned by Disney Marvel but by Sony or Fox (yeah Fox now belongs to Disney, but not back then). We are getting so many super hero movies cause its a goldmine especially now that the Chinese market has opened up to Western movies. It also means mass production of these movies and little to no creativity in it that really tries something different. That is fine for action movies, it's not like the old Action movies were different but you didn't get 5 different Terminator movies in the same year either back then. You would get one Batman movie or perhaps a Superman movie and that was it for the rest of the year.
@90sgrandad42
@90sgrandad42 4 жыл бұрын
Jorendo Hero Origin” for one, this doesn’t even apply to marvel or CBM movies alone.. also them being Origins doesn’t make them the same. Honestly you’ve nothing of substance that explains why they’re the same, you just give vague ass reason and look at them on surface level. Explain how GOTG and Winter Soldier are the same, Or Antman and FFH, Dr strange and Ironman, Thor ragnarok and avengers?
@Jorendo
@Jorendo 4 жыл бұрын
​@@90sgrandad42 Tell me why i would bother to try and explain a fan of the heroe movies why they are all the same. It's no secret that hollywood is doing template work movies. There is hardly any creativity left in Hollywood, this is not a opinion these are cold heart facts. You love those movies and that is good, i don't say they are shit, i don't say you can't like them. But they are all the same, you some how feel insulted and have the insane need to hav esome over explain why those movie are the same, i won't repeat myself. It's just as it is, those movies are template movies, they do the same things over and over. Enjoy them, some are good, some are nood, but i said what i said and thats that, i can't be arsed to talk with blinded fanboys who will hold every little detal against you cause their brains can't accept people saying that their favorite movies of all times are doing the same things over and over again but you say "Well story x is different thus its a whole different movie". It's not, ironman and captain marvel, share much of the same stories just displayed differently with little alterations here and there. It are great popcorn movies, but aren't movie master pieces, and that is fine, there is plenty of room for that, but it's not something...fuck it im done, i won't do this anymore, goodbye.
@iainhansen1047
@iainhansen1047 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a under appreciated channel
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@astroguster497
@astroguster497 4 жыл бұрын
Haha with a sky beam at the end
@jneotron
@jneotron 4 жыл бұрын
Finally some love for the Pirates of The Caribbean trilogy (yes... there are only 3)
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, only three.
@couchgamingnews9379
@couchgamingnews9379 4 жыл бұрын
@@CenterRow yes
@psychotictrait3757
@psychotictrait3757 4 жыл бұрын
jneotron I thought there was a new one
@jcohasset23
@jcohasset23 4 жыл бұрын
4 was not that bad really and I actually liked it better than 3 (At World's End felt a bit bloated). With 5 it was interesting to see Jack's past but otherwise it was a very 'meh' movie.
@liamdawson6129
@liamdawson6129 4 жыл бұрын
As much as I agree with your sentiment and enjoy this video I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. I do disagree with a bit of your conclusion, I don't think studio's are entirely to blame. I think audiences are to blame as well. For instance the new Joker film. A lot of people were worried about that film for a number of reasons but the main one I've been hearing and reading is that it will promote violence. My main worry is it will be derivative and be too similar to Taxi Driver. I'm not saying I'm right and they are wrong but it shows a clear distinction in how cinema, and art, is viewed. Most movie goers now a day WANT something familiar and easy to digest. Movies seem to purposefully get slandered on social media simply because someone doesn't like or even understand what the film maker wants. So we get a remake of the lion king. We enable studios to molest art and that's half the problem. On the plus side if I see four more videos I like imma' sub. Cheers.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy
@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy 4 жыл бұрын
Studios want guaranteed $$$, they don't like risk. New ideas means risk. There will be a block buster out there that shakes up the way they do business for a while. Then they develop the formula again, and then a new movie comes out to break that formula, so on and so forth.
@Matt_and_stuff
@Matt_and_stuff 4 жыл бұрын
Viking
@line4169
@line4169 4 жыл бұрын
You mean all of the Ghibli films! Greatest movie studio ever !
@ProjectEchoshadow
@ProjectEchoshadow 4 жыл бұрын
So I can do all of that plus have dragons? I’m in
@sigor8503
@sigor8503 4 жыл бұрын
love the vid my dude
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@zachvd13
@zachvd13 4 жыл бұрын
I've felt the same way about nearly every single Netflix film. How can Netflix have so many great, creative original series but produce awful film after awful film?
@najee_eee
@najee_eee 4 жыл бұрын
I was feeling the exact same way. I think it's also partially because movies now don't get to follow the vision of one or a close small group but like you said go through the studio filter. That takes away from any extra style or uniqueness that happens when you have one or a few people following the same vision. I think you get more emotion out of a story the more you put more in and a studio has no emotions just money, which is needed to fund the film.
@logarugamon2645
@logarugamon2645 4 жыл бұрын
Um... I agree but not with MCU criticism. There's like 2 or 3 bad or bland MCU movies out of 23.
@NewStorkProductions
@NewStorkProductions 4 жыл бұрын
I humbly disagree, I’ll probably get hate on for this but I when I watch MCU films I’m usually bored
@tastycookiechip
@tastycookiechip 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao besides Iron Man 1, Infinity War and maybe Guardians 1 there isn't really anything special about the MCU. Even the biggest movie of the franchise Endgame was forgettable schlock. I forgot Endgame came out this year it was so lack luster
@nevermorethan12
@nevermorethan12 4 жыл бұрын
@@tastycookiechip You nailed my top 3, they are phenomenal. I still love other MCU films, but I watch those 3 regularly.
@jcohasset23
@jcohasset23 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I'd say Phase 1 to halfway through Phase 2 were mostly solid movies, the second half of Phase 2 to the first half of Phase 3 were fun but only above average quality for the most part (Civil War especially was really boring outside of the action sequences and GotG2 just felt like a letdown after the first one), and the rest of Phase 3 has been better but that's because it was building to Infinity War and Endgame and the fallout from them.
@SolarScion
@SolarScion 4 жыл бұрын
@@tastycookiechip Agreed. The X-Men films all had problems but they weren't just "here's [famous actor] dressed up as [comic charActer], *wink*. The MCU doesn't have a bit of believable world building.
@kaylemathewcomendador7614
@kaylemathewcomendador7614 4 жыл бұрын
I'm worried that these type of essay video's are gonna get overdone as they say about certain movies.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
You know what? I am too.
@SolarScion
@SolarScion 4 жыл бұрын
And I'm worried that people already have no idea how to use apostrophes. I never remember a time when people put apostrophes on plural words at random, and failed to use them to actually make something possessive.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
@@SolarScion You know what? I am too.
@shinndig1293
@shinndig1293 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more about Pirates of the Caribbean. The truth is Gore Verbinski gave that franchise it's identity, without it you're just left with something that is a hollow shell of it's former-self. The first three movies also had BALLS! (At World's End literally starts with a child being hung) But another problem with 4 & 5 you forgot to mention is that they made Jack the lead focus. The trilogy was always about Will Turner, Jack was only meant to be the fun distraction.
@CenterRow
@CenterRow 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, good point!
@loughlinpagnucci8182
@loughlinpagnucci8182 4 жыл бұрын
I have also noticed that many people don’t see a movie based on story, but on genre. For example, an okay action movie will make more than a really good romantic.movie, just because people watch action movies
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