I've literally have been watching the series by Santuray of reality, it explains every issue. His theory on reads is quite interesting.

@@kylecarson5723 Sanctuary of Reality is a very nice channel: if anyone's really interested in Cerebus should refer to those videos instead of this ideological rant...

Too bad, then, that this video turned out to be just a misleading political piece...

@00Twister00 I don't think so. I say this is a political piece because the only interest in making a video like this is political. Of course it is legitimate, I sustain freedom of speech about all issues, but I want to warn people that this is not a neutral analysis. The viewer is brought to think that the video contains the whole of Reads, that the analysis is very thorough, that nothing else of interest is in the book, while the portrait of Sim's argument and of the whole of the book is misleading. As I said, there's no mention of the main event in the story and there's no mention of the link between Sim's essays and such story (instead it is repeatedly stated that no such connections exist); there's not the slightest recognition of the incredible momentum the structure of the book (and of this phonebook relative to the other phonebooks) gives to Sim's interruptions nor to the power of the duel scene, IMO the best fight in a comic book ever (together maybe with Batman vs Superman at the end of The Dark Knight Returns): there's nothing of the good stuff. I am not Dave Sim's relative nor do I agree with (most) of his ideas. But I've been a comic books reader for 35 years and Reads is my favourite: I shivered and I cried and could not keep my eyes off of it. Of course it is not meant for everybody, but it is a masterwork all the same and making videos convincing people that instead it is for nobody, that it has no intrinsic value, is absurd. This doesn't usually happen with reviews, but here there's a political reason. And this is why I feel obliged to write these comments, trying to get to as many viewers as possible and tell them to go and read the whole of Cerebus, ad then make their own minds about it. Don't just believe this guy.

@@lucassiccardi8764 you wrote a whole ass essay go outside please

Well done for pushing through! I have to admit I gave up.

@@Jeremyparker honestly I quit half way through Form and Void lol

Guys!

Yeah its really fascinating and disturbing.

Boring AF is right. There were still some good drawings but God damn is it unreadable

The last third of Cerebus is heartbreaking..

@@carsonsmith7314 What are the reasons for the last 100 issues of Cerebus being allegedly boring? For saying that the story "doesn't pick up"? Well, I would say the "problem" is that Cirin disappears on the background, that Cerebus gives up his ambitions. And, apparently even worse, in Latter Days he defeats Cirinism almost off screen and without real effort, without a mention of his arch-enemy. All the tension built around issue 200 is apparently lost. Cerebus becomes much more rational and seems to have complete control over everything. We are left with the idea that it's just a matter of watching him age and die, because every confrontational issue is now behind him. Moreover, the Torah commentaries and the intellectual cinematography seem completely gratuitous, floating in space without enough connections to the plot to hold any grip. That is to say, apart from some intense moments during Rick's Story and Form and Void, the final 100 issues really look like a failure. But there's something strange. When plots go wrong, usually writers overuse their elements or fall into the expected. Cerebus decline and anticlimaticity seem innaturaly planned, like the writer is still having full control. As you say, Sim seems to have simply gone mad. Then we get issue 288. And everything is turned on its side. We now understand the intellectual cinematography: it was meant to hook up with a girl. What are we witnessing? The triumph of old Cerebus? It looks like it: he's dominating, the girl is completely in his grasp. Or is she? Moreover, she seems to be a perfect substitute for Jaka. At this very moment (the conclusion of phonebook 15) the Viktor Davis section of Reads and the Torah commentaries should start to resonate. This is a mistake. This is "togetherness": however removed Cerebus thinks he is, this is a mistake. The only mistake that could make the plot work! Let's backtrack a little. We already know, as readers, that Cerebus is going to die at the end. We already know that he already had his biggest chance at defeating Cirin and failed. Moreover, Cirinist dominion is not even treated as a really dark dystopia anymore (as in the days of Jaka's Story), it is made fun of and everybody seems to go on with their lives. Bathos, the tension is lowered. How can the plot work in a way to surprise us? Then we get the insipid victory. The revolution is made after Cirinists had become so very little intimidating that it feels absurd plotwise. Everything is set to convince us that never again there will be real struggle for Cerebus. Bathos after bathos. Yes, there is at least some potential energy gained in the process: Cerebus now has something to lose. But this seems too little gained for too much lost. Someone, reviewing The Last Day, said that New Joanne being a feminist was not a surprise. He meant that it's not a surprise that feminism is the evil force, but, why should a 300 issue saga change its focus in the very last installments? No surprise is needed there. On the contrary, that New Joanne, the little Jaka look-a-like, were a feminist since before the interview well, this came as a surprise to me, and a very well conceiled one. As I said, after the ending of issue 288 one should know that Cerebus is making a mistake, because of Reads and of the Torah commentaries. But one (me at least) is completely wrong about the entity of the mistake. Since Cirinism being at that point a bad joke made us forget the idea that Cirin could return as menacing as before (and effectively she doesn't) we are blind to the fact that what was very serious about Cirin could return in any moment. Cirin was the only character that could give us resolution, and so we were (as readers) so readily expecting for her to come back that there was no effective plotwise way for Sim to do so. But he managed in doing what the great plotter does: he made us forget. He manages to get Cerebus in the trap without us really noticing it. And then issue 299. The bomb. To me the whole anticlimax of issues 201-287 is structurally justified by the triple (quadruple?) twist of number 299, prepared by issue 288. Cirin is still alive. New Joanne has Cirin. Genetics has reached futuristic levels. That future is our past. These reinforce one other: is New Joanne a clone of Jaka? Were the Torah commentaries interrupted at the time of Joseph (just before the end of Genesis) because this story is literally ending in the mysterious gap between Genesis and Exodus that Freud (who else?) analysed in his "Moses"? How many Islams have there been? Does this mean that Suenteus Po failed? Is Ham's African safari a premonition of the geneticist nightmare that is woman's final dominion over the lion? I could go on. What I mean, and I hope to have to a point expressed, is that the final 100 numbers of Cerebus are built (with a skill maybe superior to the first 200) to achieve the best possible ending, with the biggest surprise possible (since we already know very much), and it is done in a way that is only retroactively appreciable. It's impossible that he didn't plan and work out in detail such an interwoven constructon; still the question: since this method is the least enjoyable by the audience of a serial work, why on Earth should have Dave Sim opted for this cruel opposition to his own audience, this selection similar to the 2% of saved spirits (as neutrinos)? Well, because the death of John Lennon proved, to his eyes at least, that humanity is guilty. It meant that he was fully going to be a "right wing nut". That's why, at the apex of the fight between Cerebus and Cirin, exactly when everything starts to go "bathos" instead of pathos, "something falling" makes the noise of a gun shooting point-blank: BANG BANG BANG BANG. PS: it should also be noted that, through his idea of "echoes of history" described in Reads and elsewhere, the killing of John Lennon came as a confirmation, the confirmation of which the killing of JFK was the promise. It was not just a singular event to Sim, put the proof of incurable evil inherent to humanity. The thought of Original Sin that distinguishes left wing from right wing. That's why it was so decisive for him (IMHO). That something that fell with the noise of Chapman's shooting gun was Humanity, falling from Heaven in Dave Sim's mind.

@@lucassiccardi8764 begone Dave

@@OfLanceTheLonginus What you mean?

And walk away. Don't even debate. You will just get dirty.

You can also suspect that Sims childhood was also a huge factor, you see his parents were abusive alcoholics. For some fucking reason; he was very forgiving to his father since he was the "breadwinner", this was not the case for his mother who he thoroughly despised, he saw her as a useless bitch. What do you think?

I never thought about that with some misogynists. I often see them wanting teenage girls because of their inexperience and naivete. They want a woman who does what ever they want and they likely rant about feminism because it encourages women to have power in relationships, to not just settle with whoever asks them out. As well as to be more than a man's arm candy. These guys likely make young girls feel like they're special but they likely want to keep them in relationships where they have all of the power. The idea that they could dislike women getting older for broadening social circles is another good point. That they can't have a woman all to themselves when they grow up. As they have people who can influence them in ways they don't want. Having a child is another thing that takes a woman's attention from them. I also thought them hating them getting older is that they will realize how unfair a relationship is and want more for themselves.

@@leroypreston2973 it's all of the above, yes. You're right about lack of experience/naivete playing into the profile that these predat0rs look for, too. It's a minefield for young women to navigate.

World War II

@@marthademovimaus5140what

When Sim started doing a letters and opinion page in Cerebus he was married. He drug his divorce into the letters and opinion page of his comic. He really was bitter. Alone he started really tearing into some women who were fans toward the end of High Society. Then Church and State was a story was about people that are the Gate Keepers of Power and Women striving for Power. Toward the end of C&S Cerebus rapes a female character trying to manipulate him. (Women do this to men and this was a fantasy of Sim to get back at them when they do this - using their sex as a weapon.) Sim made both the protagonists in this story setting up a Feminist Theocracy to be the major villain for the next 3 or 4 chapters. Sim is sort of envious of a character he based on Oscar Wilde, a homosexual free of the influence of women, who is maimed and eventually killed by women (unlike in history). In this story he leaves the conventional comic format and goes into essay format which lost his customer base. Dave deviated from his plan because he stated after C&S Cerebus was going to roam his World eventually returning to his home to die. Instead he did not wander too much and Dave invented his own Jewish/Muslim/Christian hybrid religion based on the advancement of men and pushing aside women in general. To quote Dave Sim - "Something Fell..." Maybe his sanity at the time.

@@exexpat11 That something that fell... was Humanity, in Dave Sim's eyes: together with John Lennon's riddled body.

@@exexpat11 Do you think there's a bit of hindsight when you're observe Sim's past life before Cerebus? I asked this because after hearing about the Sim's upbringing, I had the sort of impression that from the very beginning he was always kind of a misogynist, arrogant, egotistical, and volatile prick (him groomed a minor in the past not withstanding). You see; throughout his childhood, he was a victim of abusive and alcoholic parents. For some fucking reason that I will never know, he was always very forgiving to his father since he was the "breadwinner." However, this was not the case for her mother who who deeply and thoroughly hated. When looking into this isn't no surprise that he was a woman hating bigot? Hell, isn't no surprise that a recovering addict would take up religion. To me it sounded pretty predictable. Honestly, Dave Sim kind of reminds me of Frank Miller, with the noticeable difference between them is Miller was not a religious nut and his targets was Muslims instead of feminist.

@@lucassiccardi8764 Very good. I had not thought of that. I caught up with the remaining episodes after this post. His remaining run was positively tame to what is happening today in the World.

@@zzamorano1717 I have no idea about his upbringing and anything could have formed his views on women. Until he is drug into a Court of Law by the victim he is not guilty. Even people that admit things sometimes do it out of other Mental Conditions. The Acid definitely did a number on him as far as Mental Illness problems.

Yes, that's the interpretation given in the present video. If you want to understand anything about Cerebus, go read it for yourself!

@@lucassiccardi8764 No one should read cerebus. It, and Dave Sim, ARE misogynist. End of discussion. It’s not metaphorical or debatable, it’s an explicit and undeniable fact.

@@carsonsmith7314 No one should read comments like yours. They, and you, are dogmatic and useless. End of discussion. It's not metaphorical or debatable, it's an explicit and undeniable fact.

@@lucassiccardi8764 wow, that is pretty pathetic of you. To literally paraphrase what I said for your own political crap. And frankly are you describing me or yourself? Edit: I feel like i should clarify, that what I mean by my question is… you’re literally describing me as “dogmatic and useless” when you yourself are making the dogmatic responses that are useless and quite moronic.

@@carsonsmith7314 Not really man. Do you know what's the meaning of "dogmatic"?

@Immanuel Ntim-Addae You're absolutely right. I loved Cerebus for a time in my youth. I remember being excited at the Dave Sim issue of Spawn.

The unabomer's writing is quite intelligent

It is worth a read, just stop at issue 200.

You are very welcome!

I haven’t read that stuff since it came out, but my recollection is that it maintains entertaining comic readability for quite a while, before turning into a stunning exposure of Dave Sim’s extremely broken psyche, which is very difficult to read, much less enjoy. I wouldn’t discourage anyone from reading it, but- boy!- it’s some next-level bonkers. Dave Sim is not mentally well.

I think whatever else can be said about Dave Sims - and clearly there's A LOT - we'd have to agree he is an 'interesting' figure in comics, if only as a cautionary tale.

I did the same thing, with the same kind of determination, and let me tell ya, that last third is an unholy slog. Although it might be kind of interesting to read alongside PBS's Hemingway right now...

Been there. Sunken cost fallacy and all that. The comic strip bits of story can be worth reading, but you can really skip most of the giant text bits

Do you think there's a bit of hindsight when you're observe Sim's past life before Cerebus? I asked this because after hearing about the Sim's upbringing, I had the sort of impression that from the very beginning he was always kind of a misogynist, arrogant, egotistical, and volatile prick (him groomed a minor in the past not withstanding). You see; throughout his childhood, he was a victim of abusive and alcoholic parents. For some fucking reason that I will never know, he was always very forgiving to his father since he was the "breadwinner." However, this was not the case for her mother who who deeply and thoroughly hated. When looking into this isn't no surprise that he was a woman hating bigot? Hell, isn't no surprise that a recovering addict would take up religion. To me it sounded pretty predictable. Honestly, Dave Sim kind of reminds me of Frank Miller, with the noticeable difference between them is Miller was not a religious nut and his targets was Muslims instead of feminist.

Not all stories are satisfying. I struggled with Reads. I slogged through it. Cerebus was on the decline replacing Politics with Social Gender Politics and toward the end with Religious Politics. After Church and State it was all downhill. I don't think it was because of the Rape episode and more because of a total format change.

Comics are not made for laughs only.

@@lucassiccardi8764 Yes, they're made to be enjoyed and not have a man literally write an essay on why women eat men's brains.

@@exexpat11 Not sure whether Church & State was the dividing line. The first Cerebus graphic novel I read was Jaka's Story and I thought it was fantastic.

Men writing about the rape of women & girls just never sits right with me. Not sure it's really their purview to talk about it, let alone use it as a creative inspiration or jumping-off point, when according to criminal stats they're 90% of the time the perpetrators or abetters (or their fathers, brothers & friends are). Give women the space and respect to tell their own collective story of abuse.

Already done, sir! There is one in the archive concerning Mr. A.

@@StrangeBrainParts I was referring to his Charleton/DC heroes actually. Mostly because those heroes were filter for mainstream audiences. Also, for most of these characters I'm more familiar with other modern writers' interpretations than ditko's original intentions.

I read scans of some of the Mr A stuff and it's not the fascist rant everybody acts like it is. The main point is that Mr A sees things as they are while bystanders romanticize crime or make excuses for criminals. Mr A's enemies are the guys that steal based on their greed, not need. He's not vindictive toward ex cons that are trying to go straight.

Never heard of it. Did you like it?

That is a fine suggestion.

@@mariod1547 It's a part of something called Grant Morrison's hypersigil trilogy. Along with Flex Mentallo and The Invisibles. I read all of them and The Filth is my least favorite. But its still relay great as is expected from Grant Morrison.

@@blackjacklover99 Thanks

Seconded.

Cerebus dies alone, unloved and unmourned. That's really all you need to know about the ending. :)

I'd say issue 200 (that's, what? Minds?) is a good stopping point. At that point, basically everything that started in High Society is wrapped up.

​@@StrangeBrainParts Flew through Jupiter, Watched Cirin get her greatest wish, Crash Landed on Pluto, Pink Floyd references, going loony enough to talk to the Secretary of Aardvark-Vanheim INC... Holy hell everything past Melmoth got weird the more i think about it.

I'd include Melmoth in that list. It was an odd non-sequitur that had nothing to do with the series.

@@StrangeBrainParts The Death of Oscar Wilde, while good, you're right wasn't really connected to the story. (thinks harder)...Was Melmoth when NormalRoach/PunisheRoach Happened?

Yes, that's exactly when it happened. Then, during Mothers And Daughters, the Roach became Swoon and Elrod became Snuffy.

He sounds exactly like modern feminists and their cultural marxists allies. Demonize everyone for having a penis and / or for being white and blame them for their own shortcomings in a global conspiracy exclusive to men that is targeted against them. Just replace the word woman with man and Sim is a stunning and brave hero of social justice

@@NoOne-uh9vu Any proof of that claim?

@@NoOne-uh9vu Using the term "cultural marxist" completely exposes your agenda and lack of education.

@@radicalstanza3614 you are projecting

@@KitchenSinkSoup learn to read

Sorry autocorrect, the Thanos and Adam Warlock Videos

Yop

I believe separating art from artist comes from acknowledging love, empathy, and passion; not their vanity. For Sims accept the risks he took for pushing the comic book medium both as an art form and in publishing, because that stuff's universal. Everything else like his sexism and self-justification of it is something that should not be shared because of how it can traumatize and hurt people.

@@jakepalermo9181 I'm trying to create an indie comic group because a lot of people have a hard time doing stuff and as much as I'm trying to learn I want to help others learn and our first rule is all politics at the door I really don't care what a person's agenda is I want to work on stuff and make something amazing and something others will enjoy but no politics is our rule I don't personally care who you are I just want to make something that others enjoy

@@orcwarchiefreviews Would commentary or satire be okay?

@@jakepalermo9181 if all members to that team agree yes it all depends it's trying to get creators with writers and artists that's the idea with the discord as for my KZfaq that's just an excuse for me and my friend to review stuff we like to watch

@@orcwarchiefreviews Good luck with that, people nowadays especially in the internet are super defensive and are obsessive with not just with their politics but with everything they consume, any single solitary thing that you find even slightly "objectionable" is considered a personal attack towards them. It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

@@kulturkriget Sure but saying his anti-feminist is like saying that women should be barefoot in the kitchen and subscribe to a 1920's societal role of homemaker there is nothing wrong if a woman chooses such a life but when a man feels the need to pronounce himself as an enemy of feminism his just an ahole with personal problems

@@kulturkriget No more one-dimensional than your phrase "the radical feminism of our time."

@@kulturkriget Weird that you are so empathetic to a wide range of anti-feminist opinions, but describe feminism itself as a unified monolith with a single characteristic.

Read some of the early barbarian knockoff stuff, thought it wasn't that funny and the author had mommy issues. Then I wandered off. I like the later art.

The Ren and Stimpy guy?

@@The_Practical_Daydreamer Yep.

I mostly agree with you except Guys is also among my favorite Cerebus storylines. There’s lots of hatred against women in it, but because it’s all Coming from the mouths of barfly losers it’s funny and feels like satire.

@@kulturkriget Of course, youre right. That is why when we question the scientific method, we must attend to certain aspects, for example i said that "we can´t hold reality" but that doesn´t make the logic systems we create false. We must look for the contradictory aspects in our models, but never just point them as abscence of meaning or just as social construct... that does "jack absolutely nothing" our understanding of the world.

So is every social justice warrior content. 100 pages of race and gender baiting. Blaming men and white people for everything then 5 pages of non sequiturs to cap it off

More like the exact inverse of social justice. Just the word men replaced with women. Double standards much?

@@NoOne-uh9vu So... social injustice?

To be honest with you, Reads reeks of "mommy issues." When you look into Sim's background, it's no surprise that he was a chauvinist misogynist.

@@zzamorano1717 isnt that what you where looking for?

Sadly, female misogynists do exist aplenty, because there is nothing that the patriarchy delights in more and benefits from more than turning women on each other and on themselves. Internalised self-hatred is the greatest tool that men have to suppress women, hence the institution of the marriage as legally binding, industrialisation of the beauty/cosmetics/plastic surgery industries, tube p0rnography, the lionisation of the 'mean girl' and 'alpha bitch' phenomenona, and more recently the FTM movement and the rise of the 'Pick Me' and/or the 'Tradwife'.

@@pendafen7405 1.those are a lot of subjects, i have to google everything because im normal.

@@pendafen7405 2.okay first, all kinds of extreme ends (mysoginists, feminists, democrats, republicans, rich, poor, etc.) Are toxic. Human beings, and all life forms, must live in a balance. The brain of an animal is diferent from a human, but that doesnt stop the animal from looking every day for that balance, either in food, rest, etc. The human brain is more complex, we can admire concepts like time and space, so the road for balance in a human being might be more dificult, more complex, more spiritual.

Jordan Peterson is a shameless and avowed sexist/misogynist, though....

@@kulturkriget lol

@@kulturkriget lol

Personally, I doubt it. Sim has always been a very volatile to not just his credits but also his fans. It would be very hard for him to get a real sizable audience, let alone to avoid it excessive scrutiny.

'Lysistrata' was fictional. You...do know that, right?

Damn, if you're going to toss dirt on Moore or Gaiman at least learn to spell their names. Might make you look semi-literate.

They can both be equally sick and wrong in their estimations, it's not a contest (just a sad race to the bottom of the barrel).

Nah just go outside

“Oh so you support this but say this! Curious! I am very smart” Please return back to your hole in the ground