Why Did Sandman Look So Realistic?

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Spiderman 3 is the source of…. A Lot of heated debate - for a lot of different reasons - But one thing about the film that you do not see enough discussion about, is its outstanding VFX - And most importantly: Sandman’s outstanding visual effects.
Because, at the time, this guy was the first of his kind requiring 3 years of development and a bunch of entirely new software to create - And, so, how on Earth does he still hold up almost flawlessly?
Because clearly he had all the usual stuff that you expect from a high budget film - great lighting, realistic effects, solid animation- you can tell there's a lot of time, money and talent behind him - but lots of films also have this and they still churn out pretty mid quality CGI…
So what gave him that extra level of quality that film’s these days seem to be lacking?
And how did the revolutionary actions taken to create him in Spiderman 3 radiate out across the years and change things for the exact same character’s appearance in 14 years later in 2021’s Spiderman No Way Home.
So get your sandals on, as we explore Sandman’ VFX.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:50 - Animation
4:59 - FX
8:18 - What Made Sandman Look SO Real?
10:12 - But why was his "Birth" scene So realistic??
12:23 - The Legacy Of The Sandman in No Way Home
13:52 - Conclusion
14:25 - Outro
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@HishamA.N_Comicbroe 10 ай бұрын

I genuinely do think Spider-Man 3's CG holds up well even now. Sandman's birth & the Venom cgi were amazing.

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Yea I've been looking at this footage for weeks to edit it and i'm constantly blown away by how good it looks!

@yurilouback6331 10 ай бұрын

When comparing Venom's CGI from SM 3 and the 2018 movie I think the old one looks so much better. It's so rich in texture details and feels real, while the new one looks too smooth and clearly CGI

@liamdean3478 10 ай бұрын

And it's from 2007🙃😂😂

@anubisfox5765 10 ай бұрын

Having watched it with my son recently i actually wholy agree. Too bad the story fell so short lol

@JorgeHernandez-gp3gu 10 ай бұрын

Helps when you have a $300 million plus budget for a Spider Man sequel as well.

@TheLingo56 10 ай бұрын

Man, 2007 was such a special year for CGI. Pirates of the Caribbean 3, Spiderman 3, Zodiac, and Transformers all hold up and still look incredible.

@mfmr200 10 ай бұрын

zodiac?

@jeffreynunya4716 10 ай бұрын

@@mfmr200 Zodiac has a bunch of CGI, most Fincher films do. They basically recreated period San Francisco.

@parkerpshebnisky1051 10 ай бұрын

They look better than most recent movies!😆

@ruralserf 10 ай бұрын

@@jeffreynunya4716true. And all the blood. Fincher never uses practical blood effects

@nawazaliak 10 ай бұрын

yep definitely was . And i grew with spider man 3 and transformers and they still look good to this day

@tubecorr 10 ай бұрын

Most of the VFX artist were not underpaid on Spider-man 3. Imageworks was actually known to pay pretty well back in the day.

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Wow, kinda crazy that this is rare/surprising thing 😂 But good to know!

@Arrogan28 10 ай бұрын

@@CGWHY Having worked in the industry since 1995, including Sony twice since then, i would agree with this point. Though 2007 was starting to be the point where many major studios started to go the other direction wage wise. Including letting go staff that had been there long enough to have raise by raise put themselves out of a job, as studios started to let go people with the highest salaries, and rehire 2 new hunger artists just out of film school, now that there were many film schools and smaller tv fx houses churning out talent so the big houses no longer had to steal talent from each other to grow... It's too bad that wages have actually gone down in the industry. And things like writers strikes really don't help. As it may help the writers, but vfx artist will be feeling the crunch already, and many studios have already let people go because of the anticipation of work drying up... People were just asked to take huge salary cuts during covid, and so to have another period so soon after is hard for many of the film support industries, I feel for the writers, but i also feel for the artist i see being let go who had families, etc.. Here's to hoping they resolve it soon...

@alex.g7317 9 ай бұрын

So, your telling me that Half-Life’s Stalkers _didn’t_ animate on Spider-Man 3?

@Mehdi69420 9 ай бұрын

@@alex.g7317 nope

@alex.g7317 9 ай бұрын

@@Mehdi69420 dear god...

@ActuallyRito 10 ай бұрын

Say what you want about Spider-Man 3, but Sandman was definitely the highlight

@teneesh3376 10 ай бұрын

I just love the contrast of 2 scenes in the same movie. Sandman's birth being tragic and amazing, then there's Peter's walk

@pajamaninja2157 10 ай бұрын

@@teneesh3376 2 of the greatest scenes in movie history... for completely opposite reasons

@obiwanswanson1635 10 ай бұрын

If the producers hadn't forced Sam to add Venom and Gwen, I think it could have been as good as SM1 and maybe even SM2.

@somecallmejeremy 10 ай бұрын

@@obiwanswanson1635Gwen's fine and I'm not simping for Bryce even though she's really hot in the movie, it's the symbiote subplot that really eats up the other subplots rather than Gwen's, although both could have been solved if the movie was longer (e.g: the symbiote came from JJJ's son's failed space mission who is an astronaut which would factor to how stupid and ignorant Peter would act with MJ and make over with Gwen to hurt her feelings because of the symbiote's effects).

@eugenecheong7066 10 ай бұрын

That face on the speeding train fight scene still has me cringing in pain…now that’s effective CGI…

@cassielcruzchavolla809 10 ай бұрын

Even as 7 year old, the "birth of sandman" scene was really impressive and emotional for me , the animators and vfx artists really did an amazing job!

@starlighter930617 10 ай бұрын

Let me just add that the scene also needed that fantastic piece of music to have that emotional impact. :)

@jessebaker4245 9 ай бұрын

When I watch it on dvd for the first time (bc I was 3 when it came out in theaters ) I was 8 and I was so confused bc I thought the movie broke during the birth of the sandman scene bc there was no dialogue lol

@Josh-hh2cu 9 ай бұрын

it felt like being a parent and watching someone grow before your eyes, the way he could barely grasp at anything and then willed himself to grasp the locket

@tekcah9302 9 ай бұрын

I remember watching it in my grandma room and just being amazed. Spiderman 3 is still my fav Spiderman movie.

@buffalocrackerdong6978 9 ай бұрын

I loved that scene when i was 9 still do

@JihadiFemboy 10 ай бұрын

The birth of Sandman is one of my favourite scenes, just so good

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Yea - Its such a gem in the middle of this movie!

@caseytatum5837 10 ай бұрын

and the music

@imerence6290 9 ай бұрын

tf is your username bruh 💀💀

@MellowMutant 9 ай бұрын

same, it's so well done

@danielduff 10 ай бұрын

The symbiote CG also holds up incredibly well. I honestly think it looks better than in Venom

@nehemiahsomers4141 10 ай бұрын

Venom 1 looks better, but SM3 still looks better than in the second one

@fernandodavid9495 10 ай бұрын

yeah i think the new venom looks a little too shiny

@gojira_guy 9 ай бұрын

@@fernandodavid9495yeah i agree I mean it’s not a deal breaker for the movie Just something that would’ve looked amazing

@red2794 9 ай бұрын

@@fernandodavid9495I think it's a difference in the texture they were going for since in Spiderman 3 venom was more web like while in Venom he's more like a liquid

@Karma-pq9fi 9 ай бұрын

@@nehemiahsomers4141you’re smoking something venom 1 looked like shit

@TheSEAempire 10 ай бұрын

My favorite example of a character created entirely in a computer that still has a wide range of emotions is Davy Jones from the Pirates of the Caribbean series. He’s designed to be a horrifying marine abomination of your worst nightmares, introduced as this terrifying and imposing figure of death, but through the course of the films, he is revealed to be a sad and broken shell of a man. Being able to switch between this horrifying monster, to a moment of sadness, then snapping back to being a monster. There really was something magical about 2000’s VFX. Fantastic video, as per usual 😎👍

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Yea absolutely, he might be the most outstanding CG character of all time. I'll might make a video on him at some point 😅 - Just once i figure out exactly what gave him his edge 🤔 Thank you for watching!

@Luke101 10 ай бұрын

Bill Nighy’s absolutely incredible performance is also a massive reason why he’s so effective. Every bit of his mannerisms and on-set movement shines through the CGI. It was a perfect blend. And he genuinely looks photoreal to this day. My favorite CG character ever

@rottensquid 10 ай бұрын

@@Luke101 Bill is, of course, one of the great "performers" of the acting world. He takes the same bombastic approach when playing an aging rock star (Still Crazy) or a nuisance father-in-law (Shawn of the Dead.) So of course, his unique flair would come through the filter of a CGI character. That said, we have to remember that a CGI character is a duel performance between the actor and the effects artists. They're bringing just as much magic. To forget them is like looking a a gorgeous painting and crediting only the model.

@mobbs6426 10 ай бұрын

Gollum and King Kong spring to mind from this era, though there were a couple janky spots in Kong. The two that come to mind are the Dino collision which is art anyway, and Kong on the building shaking his maracas

@vladildikan 9 ай бұрын

You can also forgive some kookiness in the cgi from The Mask, given the whole premise of it's powers.

@titanuskolasaurus2050 10 ай бұрын

Really hope this makes more people appreciate and respect CGI as a art form. And not just point at the slop produced by major studios today and say it’s all low effort

@GFX667 10 ай бұрын

But that is the thing. It is low effort nowadays because it can be so rushed. Yes, it’s a lot of work, but it’s rushed and therefore it looks so bad. Back then, animators got much more time to create their art.

@jadesisk1852 10 ай бұрын

I feel like too many people don't remember the time before CGI, when films were full of really awful looking practical FX. Not having the time / budget for a shot is going to make it look bad regardless of the medium. And then, if everything is done right, modern CG should be indistinguishable from real life, except for really humans up close, so the only time audience know it's a computer effect is if the budget didn't give VFX enough to pay 3D artists and the end result suffers from being understaffed / rushing work. Just cause most of the low budget FX go for CG, most of the blame for bad FX does as well.

@HabitualJoker 10 ай бұрын

@@jadesisk1852there are plenty of good films with good practical effects. I do think a lot of those very obviously look dated now because we are so used to seeing CGI.

@TheLifeLaVita 10 ай бұрын

@@jadesisk1852practical effects always look better than badly made cgi. Because you can see they're practical effects, so you enjoy the movie and immerse better than a wannabe real effect that obviously looks so fake. That's why bad cgi feels soooo much worse than practical effects

@fireaza 10 ай бұрын

@@TheLifeLaVita My friend, you need to watch more pre-CGI era movies than just _Star Wars._ There's PLENTY of movies from this era with comically bad practical effects that ruin immersion. Even blockbusters like _Robocop_ has them, ED-209 moves without any of the weight, impact and inertia that a giant robot should have, the exact same criticism that's usually leveled at CGI as proof that CGI always looks fake. CGI or practical, bad effects are bad effects. It's as simple as that. Trying to suggest that practical effects, even bad ones, always look better than CGI is nothing but wannabe film-buff posturing.

@taqresu5865 10 ай бұрын

What's interesting is that the Birth of the Sandman sequence used the uncanny valley to it's advantage. It was him literally trying to build himself back up, so he didn't need to look fully human until the end of the sequence.

@joe1205 10 ай бұрын

Back then, CGI was used when needed, and people put more effort into it, because it was harder to get away with, and less films relied on it as an excuse.

@lodewijk. 9 ай бұрын

People still would like to put effort into it, they’re just not given enough time 😢

@Caleb6000 9 ай бұрын

fewer

@x808drifter 9 ай бұрын

This wasn't the mid 90's bud. The whole overuse of CGI had been going on since at least Phantom Menace back in 99.

@whtwolf100 9 ай бұрын

"back then" lol shut the hell up kid it's not the 60's.

@zerogyoro4521 9 ай бұрын

@@lodewijk.And money... And the opportunity.

@rottensquid 10 ай бұрын

I feel like comparing what Raimi did with Sandman vs what modern Marvel films do with CGI illustrates the core problem in the modern process. Marvel did very well initially by setting a dedicated CGI team on all their projects. It allowed for every film to have consistency. Iron Man felt the same from film to film, even as his costume changed. Then they started doing this with their entire action sequence department. It made sense, since there was a level of quality they wanted to maintain for their action. The problem was, the more weight they put on those departments, the more that quality slipped. They were using the same tools and tricks in movie after movie, and it started to all feel the same. Plus, the shortcuts to save time really started showing. There's something magical that happens when the effects people and the director come together to create something no one was seen before. That act of creation comes across. Having come from the low budget world, Raimi is a master of solving impossible problems, because just making a movie on such a low budget is in itself an impossible problem. When Raimi wanted the Shining-style steady-cam shot in Evil Dead 2, he couldn't afford a steady-cam. So he just had two cameramen carry a 2x4 with a camera mounted in the middle. The effect wasn't steady-cam, it was its own beautiful thing. That's how Raimi learned to make films, not by throwing money or man-power at a problem, but by figuring out a creative solution. We come to movies to see creativity. What we get all too often is an expensive spectacle we've seen a million times before. The simple truth is, money can't replace the creative process. It's in the creative process that the magic happens. And it's the magic we come to see, not the generic spectacle.

@Canalbiruta 7 ай бұрын

as you described raimi's background as a film maker, the movie that poped to my head was city of god. that movie is also e display for briliant creativity born from trying to solve impossible tasks, one of my favorites of the movie being the scene where they tell lil ze backstory as a criminal.

@kommandantgalileo 10 ай бұрын

We also can not forget about Thomas Haden Church, without him the character of Sandman would not be as impactful, he gave a great performance in both Spider-Man 3 and Spider-Man 3 (In voice).

@Ricxtov 9 ай бұрын

He also gained a lot of muscle compared to his previous roles. If only Thoper would've done the same for Venom...

@mottom2657 9 ай бұрын

@@Ricxtov Topher was in disbelief to be cast for Venom. He read the McFarlane run, and even he thought that Venom needed to be bigger.

@Strideo1 9 ай бұрын

Lowell Mather leaves Nantucket and just look what happens!

@Szubak 9 ай бұрын

@@mottom2657And he was right. Eddie Brock is 6’3 and 260 pounds. Now I’m not saying he has to be that tall but at least make him 6 feet tall so he’s taller than the actor playing Spidey. And give him blonde hair. I always thought Alan Ritchson would be a good Eddie.

@mottom2657 9 ай бұрын

@@Szubak Alan does look a lot like comic Eddie. We now have Tom Hardy, at least he's a more correct choice than Topher.

@d34dstruck13 10 ай бұрын

Part of why so much care was put into Sandman was because he was originally planned to be the only villain, with the story focusing even more on his tragedy. The higher ups forced them to include "Venom" and Gwen Stacy

@gamemaker1802 9 ай бұрын

Not entirely true, Harry's Green Goblin was always intended to be in the film to complete the characters' arc from hating Spider-Man (and then Peter) for killing Norman, to realizing who is dad was and taking up his legacy, to realizing his misplaced anger and hatred toward Peter and striving to use what he had to help him. It's great and would've been much better had Red been able to drag his dumbass son Eric home for being such a doped up idiot.

@zerogyoro4521 9 ай бұрын

@@gamemaker1802What relation have that with Venom and Gwen?

@Tyranid_Hive_Mind 3 ай бұрын

@@zerogyoro4521 This relates to the part where the original commenter said that sandman was planned to be the only villain

@F_the_G 10 ай бұрын

Sandman is such a great character. He really carried the movie. Should have been the only villain. Or maybe one of two. Cared more about him than Spidey in the third movie lmao

@ILikeWafflz 9 ай бұрын

A prime example of the poison of Execute Meddling

@nathonso_edits 10 ай бұрын

Back then you couldn't use CGI in every shot, it just wasn't possible due to the limits of computing power, so you'd have to work smarter and find practical ways to achieve shots. This blend of practical and CGI is what sells the effects really well, also with less CGI shots the vfx artists were allowed enough time to really perfect the shot. These days a lot of studios *cough* marvel *cough* will have CGI in every scene in the movie, literally like a guy sitting in a chair just so they have to possibility to change it in post. The compositing also sucks when you don't have any idea what the lighting in the scene will be so you just front light the actor in front of the green screen, then it turns out they're in a scene where they should be backlit (eg that horrible black widow scene)

@rjk537 10 ай бұрын

That's why animation is doing better now eg: spider-verse movies

@XxKingGreatx 10 ай бұрын

@@rjk537 not the same thing its cg but not live action and has loads of hand drawn animation in it too , blood sweat and tears into them films

@rjk537 10 ай бұрын

@@XxKingGreatx i didn't say anything about cg but you HAD to say something to make yourself feel better by showing that you know more than someone and appear more intelligent and dominant by winning an imaginary argument in your imaginary world?

@XxKingGreatx 10 ай бұрын

@@rjk537 chill we on the same side bro 🤣I don't wanna dominate you

@gojira_guy 9 ай бұрын

@@rjk537my god that whiplash from the conversation might as well have broken my neck

@necromorph238 10 ай бұрын

Thomas Hayden Church as Sandman is one of my favorite on-screen villains in any Marvel film. So much depth and heart to the character. Brilliant performance!

@MellowMutant 9 ай бұрын

I agree, there's nuance to his character and that's what makes him so fantastic

@user-tk8mj2ss4s 10 ай бұрын

In the sandman scene where he's pulling himself back together you can feel how much work and care was put into it

@MellowMutant 9 ай бұрын

so true

@Pyromaniax 9 ай бұрын

they were tasked not only with Sandman but also Venom's liquid physics. Quite impressive.

@maxwell_edison 10 ай бұрын

Bro that one armed boxer fact is absolutely crazy trivia

@spencercook8242 9 ай бұрын

I was the anim director on Spidey 3 and the reason this holds up is Sam Raimi's direction. Every time I reviewed a shot with him he always talked about it from an emotional persepctive. The tech is important but the poses and movement had to convey emotion.

@its_alex1621 10 ай бұрын

I always thought back then that Sandman’s CGI was something special. I am impressed again and again. Thanks for the video.

@spork861 10 ай бұрын

I never hated spiderman 3, I knew it felt convoluted and chaotic but I still felt the effort they put in and genuinely liked the effects and fights. And I always thought they did a tremendous job with the sand effects.

@qownson4410 10 ай бұрын

The most tragic thing they didn't put in the movie was the idea that Sandman's daughter dies, because he didn't get the money he needed to save her and Spiderman would have to realize what his actions caused, but we got Venom as filler at the end of the movie.

@NaisanSama 9 ай бұрын

Oh god...

@mithruikka 9 ай бұрын

Least we got bully maguire as compensation

@cqrql 7 ай бұрын

I love how Raimi managed to make two iconic "birth of the villain" scenes (Sandman and Doc Ock) but for completely different reasons: tragedy and horror.

@youngdresbaby 10 ай бұрын

Actually the Mummy and the Mummy Returns was ahead of their time. The has humanoid sand work before Sandman came into Spider-Man 3. But yes the CG for sand from 1999 to 2001 to 2007 to 2021 has definitely held up and is ahead of it's time.

@samanthaB98 10 ай бұрын

i've always loved the detail that his face when he's in the middle of forming it isn't exactly a skull but more akin to a traditional/stereotypical theater mask

@ajirizawa5743 10 ай бұрын

going to say that 👏👏👏

@mrkaji8913 10 ай бұрын

Flint Marco/ sandman: “ i’m not a bad person, just bad luck.”

@elgeneee 10 ай бұрын

That line hits hard 😢

@mrkaji8913 10 ай бұрын

@@elgeneee I know

@daquandavis5498 10 ай бұрын

I really wish Raimi was able to see his work fully through n not get screwed by the studio. SM3 would’ve been much better off with just Sandman (like Raimi wanted) n Sams spider man 4 might have ended up actually being made 😭

@1stmorgoth289 9 ай бұрын

I love the "birth of the sandman" scene it sjust awesome not only from a visual perspektive but also from a narative point of view. It shows once again that you can tell a story, even a short one without saying a single word

@RaptorJesus. 9 ай бұрын

gotta hand it to Christopher Young for the score too, Birth of Sandman remains one of my favourite movie scores of all time, it sounds tragic, but also full of will and strength to push through and fight, i feel like sandman's iconic scene wouldn't have quite had the same impact without such an incredible score.

@MCPRODYT 10 ай бұрын

as a VFX/ 3D artist, I can verify that trying to make a simulation do what you want is, in fact, a nightmare 💀

@NaisanSama 9 ай бұрын

Chaos and order basically

@4.0.4 10 ай бұрын

You could render the sandman scene today on a single high end but consumer-grade graphics card. Artistry is another thing entirely.

@bvswasgood2981 10 ай бұрын

Y’know, a movie I never hear brought up with its VFX and SFX blending is the 1999 Inspector Gadget. It’s got like two rough shots, but everything else is still really solid today. Especially the scene of him running with his extended legs. There’s a real weight to it that is surprisingly good for 1999. Would love to see you check the films VFX out!

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Really? Okay I haven't seen that film in a veeeery long time. But i'l for sure check it out and see if there's a video in there :D! Thanks!

@bvswasgood2981 10 ай бұрын

@@CGWHY It's a very... interesting film to say the least. Reshoots and studio notes mean some things don't scratch up too well (they did a digital face morph in the final film on one of the shots, but the trailer has the original one and it just makes the final version look atrocious). If you do ever find there's enough to make a video on, I've got some production material's with behind the scenes images showing things like Matthew Broderick on stilts for the running legs. Quite fascinating.

@justsquaro1989 10 ай бұрын

Remember watching the birth of the sandman scene as a kid and being absolutely gobsmacked

@iamopia 10 ай бұрын

I work in Houdini, the same app the used for all the sims. and oh boy, I am taking my hat off to the amount of effort they put into making all the FX work cuz back then grain toolset wasn't as robust as now and PCs had just a fraction of the power we have these days. massive talent and dedication to craft.

@jumperjunior804 9 ай бұрын

It was done in 3D studio max, not Houdini at all

@iamopia 9 ай бұрын

@@jumperjunior804 the sources I've found back from 2007 state that first iterations were done with some custom software and they later moved their work to Houdini.

@Patrix8558 10 ай бұрын

Sandman in No Way Home looked so much worse.. it's like the main thing I remember from that movie. Simulations and all that were nice, overall it just could not compare with how well, even today, Spiderman 3 Sandman looks. NWH looked more like from older games, ah.

@fredvoid5976 10 ай бұрын

Are You here just to make a troll?

@Patrix8558 10 ай бұрын

@@fredvoid5976 whz would I. I like this channel and I added mz impressions of Sandman from NWH. Whats troll about that

@thatkaseylewis 10 ай бұрын

This video's incredible! I'm glad more people are recognizing this, I remember being completely awestruck by the Sandman effects when I first watched Spidey 3. Even Doug Walker praised the origin sequence. People hate on or laugh at the silliness of the movie's memes, but this scene is complete artistry and storytelling at its finest in the realm of vfx.

@MellowMutant 9 ай бұрын

facts

@takemeseriouslyplx2124 10 ай бұрын

We had these amazing cgi shoots almost 20 years ago and dreamed about how amazing cgi would be in the future only to get rushed projects like quantumania, shehulk, and so on :(

@supercalifragilisticex 10 ай бұрын

CGI has improved a lot since 2007 but since every can excess it it's hard to find some1 who's experienced enough to push those limits.

@LazarheaD 9 ай бұрын

That scene where he finds out he has transformed into Sandman was heartbreaking.

@micahdye7215 9 ай бұрын

It’s wild that the Spider-Man 3 cgi for sandman is better than No Way Home sandman

@Julv_ 9 ай бұрын

Cap, they look about the same

@gagetaylor192 9 ай бұрын

The problem is that the actor couldn't be on set to film so his character was just in Sandman form the whole time with his voice acting. Same thing with Connors.

@ppmv4285 9 ай бұрын

The cgi in this film still really holds up, even to this day. There's a couple shots that look bad on Sandman and Venom, but for the most part, they look fantastic. The birth of Sandman scene and the symbiote as a whole are absolutely beautiful. I genuinely like how the symbiote was portrayed as nore monstrous from the beginning, making these hands that grasp onto their host, even when Peter is removing the suit. And just how realistic the sand looks not onky when forming Sandman for the first time, but also showing his facial expressions when he doesn't have much of a face to show. I think 2007 was a great year for CGI because of how creative the teams behind them were. Davy Jones, Sandman, and the Transformers all looked incredible and still hold up today.

@hewhointheearthlydomainsee1272 10 ай бұрын

I don't think its the material an artist works with, but the artist themselves that drives the quality. Its a more than sum of the parts, pocket dimensions in the person's head, that represent experience and emotion, and potentiates on the work that makes the art. The artists leaves their mark on the material. When the artist knows how their materials and tools work, their inspiration will guide the rest.

@kokomanation 10 ай бұрын

The actor playing Sandman was a really great actor and they combined his facial expressions with CGI in a meaningful way.Spiderman 3 had the worst screenplay from the rest of that trilogy but it still is a pretty good film I think.The second one was by far the best

@fawziekefli2273 9 ай бұрын

It was difficult for the filmmakers to find an actor who could transform into sand, but they did it.

@chrisVNZ 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant video, thanks. Really makes me appreciate the work of thise involved.

@reakefit7304 10 ай бұрын

A full movie just with him as a prime antagonist, and maybe just maybe harry since we were setting him up since the previous movie would have been better than what we got.

@maxharrison3733 9 ай бұрын

this is such an information-dense video. i kept checking the time stamp assuming that 10 or 15 minutes had passed and it was only like 2 minutes- not because it’s boring but because it’s almost too interesting. very well paced. great work!

@MasterCrumble 10 ай бұрын

That was a gooooood video, and I didn't know the troubles that went into making the sandyman. It makes me wanna go back and rewatch Spiderman 3 and No Way Home.

@the_dudeabides 10 ай бұрын

The fact that within what 9 years since The Mummy came out, you could make a comparison of Imhotep's sand cloud from cat scene vs SM3 and realize how far we came.

@NizarAnan 10 ай бұрын

Gotta also mention the soundtrack composed by Danny Elfman was just the cherry on top, without the music this scene wouldn't be as good. Not to to dismiss the vfx work or anything, but as a vfx artist myself, this scene was always my favorite! Thank you for sharing this video with us!

@kieranriley1624 10 ай бұрын

That scene is arguably the best scene in the movie, they did an amazing job

@MellowMutant 9 ай бұрын

I think so too

@NourArt02 9 ай бұрын

Sandman should've been the only antagonist in Spiderman 3, the addition of Venom and Goblin Jr really diluted the whole 3rd act.

@flaviuscotoi2849 10 ай бұрын

I love your vids , one notices the effort you put in your vids . But therefore the quality you are putting out is spot on . If you keep this up your channel will grow so much more . I wish you good luck on your journey. If anything you remind me a bit of Ahoy and his documentary styled vids . His production quality is incredible to say the least.

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Wow thank you so much! Thats really nice of you to say! I really appreciate the feedback :D

@thecoolestfool7688 10 ай бұрын

take a shot every time he says sand

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Literally dead by the end of it :D

@HexPerplex 10 ай бұрын

CGI with a soul is a concept that breaks the laws of physics

@richielynx 10 ай бұрын

I hate people that say that 2018's Venom looked better than 2007's, he was just skinnier, but the whole symbiote and costume looked much better

@TheZephyrsWind 9 ай бұрын

First time seeing you thanks to KZfaq pushing you and many small/medium others. Gotta say, just a great & very interesting channel, and for that your sub count just went up.

@kharpa2597 9 ай бұрын

I still have soundtrack from this scene in my playlist because the whole moment is amazing

@abigfavor 10 ай бұрын

The studio really shat on a but in a wonderful film that Rami made. I don't even have a problem with Topher Grace as Venom, but being in the film at all just undercut sandman and spidermans screen time

@spectater1728 10 ай бұрын

When it comes to if sandman should have been the only villain then I don't think so because if he was I don't think they would have been able to story wise let him turn more to the good side like he does at the end of the movie

@ashura9706 6 ай бұрын

For some reason I could never find a lot of discussion about the Birth of Sandman scene. The fact it didn’t get an Academy VFX nomination is wild.

@apfelninja 9 ай бұрын

When I was in art school, I read that they made proprietary software specifically for sandman that got used for a bunch of other stuff before getting absorbed into another piece of software.

@aboxinspace 10 ай бұрын

The Sandman effects are so good, even Anakin Skywalker would love them

@Dr.W.Krueger 9 ай бұрын

I'm 45 years in the business. We older artists and filmmakers came in from the analog days. A lot used digital tools from day one, but we all started out in this craft building real stuff, filming things with real light and cameras. A lot of us are also had prior classical art training or did things like painting and photography on the side. In other words; we looked at nature / reality and understood how to mimic it. We also gave ourselves more time to achieve our goals.

@boxman7044 9 ай бұрын

The music in that scene makes it even better somehow

@CAPEDCRUSADER3900 3 ай бұрын

Imagine being one of the VFX workers that stressed out & worked on Sandman back in 2007 then 14 years later you get a call from your boss & he says "Hey we gotta do Sandman again" You the VFX artist: *PTSD INTENSIFIES*

@PhuntKlapps 8 ай бұрын

I love how Sam Raimi really didn't want to do this film, but ended up revolutionising VFX - Bring back emo Spiderman!

@vdeoarchiveproject 10 ай бұрын

seeing this in theatres blew my mind as a kid, still does today

@dullus 8 ай бұрын

this is random but I just remembered this video, and they def have to consider some of the things talked about in here for doing Crocodile for the one piece live action

@wadalapichu4873 9 ай бұрын

i never thought of sandman this way, really good topic and video, props to the people that worked on his scenes

@ij1376 9 ай бұрын

This scene coupled with the music used to make me tear up. NEXT LEVEL effects with emotional impact.

@Azaro_64 9 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a video like this on Spider-Man's 3 Venom vfx, I think it looks just as good as Sandman and better than current versions of Venom, the way the suit kinda separates into fibers and tendrills each with their own elasticity, plus the way the black goo itself looks and how it transitions into a solid practical suit.

@user-fb7gn5on9x 10 ай бұрын

My fav video of yours so far!❤

@ekojar3047 9 ай бұрын

This scene blew my mind in theatres back in 2007, just great work all the way through.

@admiralwaltz321 9 ай бұрын

Every complaint about CG can often be fixed by just treating your VFX artists well and ethically and paying them accordingly

@thegamingstoic 10 ай бұрын

If Nolan made Spiderman 3: No CGI here, we actually threw a street thug into an atomic collider and turned him into sand.

@supercalifragilisticex 10 ай бұрын

I kinda liked spiderman 3, although 3 villains is a lot I thought they pulled it off and made it watchable.

@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 10 ай бұрын

I think most of these tricks wouldn't work or would like a cheap out if that first birth scene wasn't there. It told the viewer how it looks like, how a sand man actually looks like and what he is made up of in what way the sand reacts etc. so later when they obscure a part or just show a glimpse our brain uses the prior learned information and fills the gaps. pretty smart tbh. outsourcing vfx computing to the human brain :P

@Demetrius900000 10 ай бұрын

I never understood and never will understand people who say that CGI takes away from the movies and is bad. It makes movies much better because it allows to make literally anything. To me the puppets look very bad and take away from the movies because all I see is toys with no depth or feeling. And I like purely puppet things like Dark Crystal or Laika movies. Yet the sequels puppet Yoda and Grogu are atrocious to me, prequel Yoda is a million times better and realistic in my eyes.

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Mmm good point, but what about the puppet yoda in the original Phantom Menace vs the CG one?

@Demetrius900000 10 ай бұрын

@@CGWHY TPM? Why is it even a question, do people really prefer a puppet in that movie? Even as a kid I thought it looked very bad and out of place.

@CGWHY 10 ай бұрын

Ahaha - I'm not sure 😅, I don't think I've actually seen TPM with the new Yoda all the way through. I'll have to check it out!

@Demetrius900000 10 ай бұрын

@@CGWHY well to each his own, but I vividly remember watching TPM a bit later when CGI Yoda was added and thinking puppet Yoda must've been my imagination or a bad dream XD Those bulging eyes and nomnoming mouth D: If you check it out and compare them I'd love to see your impressions =)

@HabitualJoker 10 ай бұрын

Great breakdown. You’ve earned another subscriber!

@somaparag4367 9 ай бұрын

I love your content, it is so detailed. Would you considered doing one about Transformers 2007? I think it looks very beliveble. Keep up the good work!

@J.P1981 10 ай бұрын

In almost six years apart, spiderman went from roof hoping cgi that makes you cringe a bit in the first film, to cgi sand that makes people even today wow in awe. You love to see it.

@kylephantom4 10 ай бұрын

tbh the vfx in Spider-Man 2 and 3 really hold up surprisingly well especially compared to some of todays.

@kooale3252 10 ай бұрын

The amount of criticism that well done CGI gets for just existing is insane. Most practical stuff seems much less believable than CGI replacements but people are too overtaken by nostalgia to notice. Also, films nowadays are NOT churning out mid quality CGI. Films back in 2007 had less VFX shots. Films nowadays have more. The quality of CGI has increased drastically and the price has decreased. The reason people think CGI has gotten worse is because there is so much more of it that they never remember the good CGI.

@j.zuberi 10 ай бұрын

Sandmans VFX was absolutely STUNNING!

@premghuletony9932 10 ай бұрын

Great information i didn't observe this details ...

@phasedeclipse1722 9 ай бұрын

This scene in Spider-man 3 had so much emotion and they conveyed it so well and it holds up

@cgsweat 9 ай бұрын

Spiderman 3 catches a lot of flack since Venom was a bit underwhelming and Peter went through this weird emo/douche phase, but it seems like most have forgotten how wonderfully written/executed the Sandman character was in this film. Thanks for reminding us. 👍

@lawlaw9176 10 ай бұрын

Part of it because 2000~2010 was the era that cgi related movies pop up quickly with massive amount, all productions want to gain reputation. Another part of it is people love the Sandman story arc, and not really pay attention on details of how his cgi going on

@giyuutomioka6974 9 ай бұрын

This character and cgi was so beautiful. I really loved sandmans character arc. How his entire character revolved around being a criminal who just wanted to help his daughter was such a sweet and tender detail. It honestly makes me want to hug him.

@sleepingjoshua 9 ай бұрын

For a long time i was ashamed of myself for loving this scene, because "hey men, it's just soulless CGI, nothing special". Thank you for giving me a reason to accept my feelings.

@DendyJungle 10 ай бұрын

Seriously big eff you to Sony for shoving venom into this movie. Not only took away from the sandman character but also didn’t give a chance for venom to be introduced properly

@Nosttromo 9 ай бұрын

to think that 15 years from that time games can casually do more complex vfx than this in casual console gaming hardware. it's wild. i wonder what the future holds for us

@ArtistNotFound123 9 ай бұрын

If bleeding your heart out in front of a computer waiting endlessly for things to render, offering a portion of your soul and making sure everything is perfect and until it sits right with you isn’t passion then nothing is. This is one way to achieve greatness, but we should only do these things sparingly, and it becomes remembered. For these people in their industry it’s just work, and so change needs to happen and that’s why vfx artists want to unionize. I remembered when I was young, and I was watching Wall E and Avatar and just wondering how it could get better. What I am sad to know is that for the time being, it’s the best it will ever be.

@thepurpleking7733 6 ай бұрын

I had no idea v effects were this interesting

@HarishBabuM 10 ай бұрын

As a kid I watched Sandman and Hydro Man in cartoons, they were never interesting. But when I watched Birth of the Sandman, I was in complete awe! Btw you should definitely make a video on Transformers 2007 CGI

@SCARLETDOT 9 ай бұрын

Ur underrated bro get this man to 100k!

@jeffmiller9911 9 ай бұрын

This was my very first blu ray i ever bought. I remember watching it on my little 27 in 1040i... remember i? Lol but I was just in awe that scene where the sand reconstructs.

@Jazzmannnnn 9 ай бұрын

I wish they kept in the deleted scene of penny hugging the sandcastle. Perfect scene to make us have sympathy for a guy that just wants to do his best for his sick daughter.

@orangejjay 10 ай бұрын

My favorire use of CGI is in District 9. Loved the movie as a whole and even today, it seems like the CGI holds up. Of course, not making the CGI the constant central character helped ... it allowed for a sense of realism because a lot of the CGI was in the background instead of the foreground. Genius stuff. I will say thay even when the CGI sucks, it's still incredible that we've come so far in computing. We truly are living in the future and I'm consistently excited to see what else is to come.