And, if you think of the economical side of things, it is more attractive for private persons and non officiall racing categories to take their cars to a track where running wide doesn't damage your car instantly. Obviously that doesn't really have anything to do with safety but that might also be a reason that most newer tracks have these huge run off areas.

Chain Bear F1 Soon 100k

I definitely heard you say it at 2:30.

Arent gravel traps actually better for bike racing than asphalt run-offs? I remember Luis Saloms fatal crash in Spain which was blamed mostly for the asphalt not slowing the fallen racer down before hitting the wall. Gravel traps in MotoGP for example seem to always stop fallen racers before a big shunt to the wall, which is obviously better.

I heard that around 3:15

Andrey D car shuts down until they get 5 of those grill the grid type trivia questions right

click all the boxes with a racecar off the track

Find and click the cars in the following picture

Check all the boxes that are on track *birds eyes view of the corner they went off on*

Andrey D Wokest idea I've ever seen

ikt lol

Don't mind him yes,just someone who can't take a joke and lives a life of being always serious on every topic.

Reavaverho r/woooooooosh

Do you guys even know what hyperbole means?

ThatOneCarGuyDirk yea it means very exaggerated for a dramatic effect

If that happened who will finish the season??? F1 Game of Thrones??? or F1 Hunger Games???

👍

Drivers get one punch to the face at the end of the race for every second they spend off track.

@@Reavaverho it was a joke (with literally the subject being hyperbole) but oh well guess the internet suddenly became dead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Reavaverho Why are you trying to ruin our fun? 😢

grosjean at spain 2019

Didn't work today. Imagine designing a return route with a bollard which signifies where you must go, only to have to penalise the driver because there was still an advantage gained. Proper designers

Prost did that to senna

Richie but youre suppose to be slowed down in them.

Lol ik but the track designers clearly didnt have that in mind since they didnt take into consideration how to first lap is often a lot slower than the rest

I remember you could actually use the grass to slow down faster in some cases.

Louis Warcraft its still like that

@@danielwolfe4169 damn well is not

@@lexus14blacklist yeah. In forza motoraport 6 i was using it every time on the le mans.

Agree, that's the best solution I can think of honestly. Grass avoids the track limits issue, tarmac does its job at slowing cars down, gravel reduces risks from brake failures not covered by tarmac.

The amount of times I spun at fuji in Fran Turismo because of the grass is ridiculous 😭😭😭

@@E9X330 That's what makes a circuit great

@@PointNemo9 true, I just get too greedy and it punishes me hahaha

Yeah, was thinking "why not just layer run-offs" the entire video

Léo Pouzoulet Please. Suzuka ´14 conditions were bad. Very bad. Extremely bad.

Correct, but honestly the trend is to deploy VSC/SC every time workers are on the scene (understandably), regardless of the size of the recovering vehicle. Also, tarmac runoff areas can be trickier in case of brake failures (Gachnang crash at YAS Marina comes to mind). So I'd say each solution has its pros and cons.

great.now lets talk about that pit entry of yours

@@Pantherace and it'll never rain again, or maybe a driver gets the front wing stuck underneath the car and can't avoid a crash?

​@@sergeantsupreme4395 The big question: is it really necessary to move every car when it's outside of the track?

mceajc *gripping*

Formula 1 IN SPACE!

Was gonna say the exact same thing!

The point is that it should. With gravel traps there doesn't need to be a rule saying you can't, but there's no reason why after implementing safer asphalt runoffs that rules shouldn't be made so people use runoffs for advantage. It was a direct counter to the claim that if a track can be driven faster going off it is poorly designed. Also it is completely and utterly not a strawman. Whose argument was misrepresented? It was a counter to an argument, not a misrepresentation of an argument.

Prabhu M you laughed so hard your butt fell off? Oh my god i’m calling the ambulance

@@Reavaverho The consequence in football are brought on by the rules and the referee. The ball does not explode when you pick it up, a rugby team does not tackle you if you dare to use your hands. Just like in F1. But lets take a look at similar rulesets in football and F1. For example, offside. Why offside? Well, they are kind of similar to running off the track. An offside is a player that is in a position where he should not be trying to gain a (huge) advantage for his team. When a player is on offside, their team loses the possesion of the ball and has to retreat. Goals can (and generally are) nullified, and the ball returns to the position where it was right before the infraction, just in the possession of the other team. And, whats more important, unless the player goes to offside repeteadly there is not even a warning, let alone a punishment to the player itself. Isn't that what happens in F1? Time penalties, mandatory rejoins and ceding of positions, while do not directly affect the driver itself heavily affect the outcome of a race. 10 seconds is goddamn huge in racing, and having to brake down to let other people pass you leave you further and further behind to those that are in front of you. Escentially, not only are any advantages that you get for doing it eliminated, you hurt your chances in the long run. Also, you're taking his example very specifically. What he means is: Don't be an asshole, don't cheat. if you cheat, the responsability is on you, and you only. Saying things like "Well, if they don't want me to cheat don't build safety measures that allow me to cheat" demonstrates a callous disregard for ethics, and the spirit of the sport where you are participating right now. It disrespects the sport, the history of the sport, your team, your car and more importantly your fans. Very few fans want to see their favorite driver win by cheating. If we take statistics from other sports and say we can compare them to F1, only less than 4% of sport fans think cheating to win is okay. The absolute majority wants to see their favorite win within the rules and restrictions of the sport. If my favorite football team won the tournament by cheating all the way trough, where is the fun in that?

People will cheat if it's in their benefit. If they don't somebody else will and they lose. A better comparison would be an asphalt run-off area is like a game of poker where you can go all in, if you win you win, if you lose you get 90% of the chips back. Even when they do stay in the lines, they didn't really risk much, so the commitment is gone. Its all low stakes to the detriment of the sport. If a car breaks down, do you want it that we go under safety, they run back to the pits, get a new car and rejoin the race in position. F1 used to be about attrition and pushing the edge. This channel likes every safety feature ever but its not a universally held view.

Prabhu M guessing no one has heard of Gaelic football which is and Irish sport where you can hold the ball

Yeah tarmac runoff is too forgiving, it is almost like a videogame with no consequences

Yeah god point but i still think it is too easy to just run off the track and only have a little tyre wear, people should get stuck or loose loads of time to differentiate a good driver who can stay on the track from a bad driver who can't

So you're saying that drivers breaking bones and maybe even dying is an essential part of this sport? That's the stupidest thing i've heard...

No Vaidas, that's not what he's saying. How do you link to names on this YouCludge website?

No clue... It's become pretty stupid tbh.

AWWWWW MAN

Nkosi McRae it all pays off when you save $$$ in college! Trust me

I would be extremely inquisitive to watch a video covering that topic

IIRC it was banned because running them at maximum efficiency required extremely stiff suspensions, which made them extremely rough to drive and borderline painful on bumps. Badly-designed ground effects also led to porpoising, which is a recurring uncomfortable heaving motion. I do think that with current aero knowledge, a lot can be gained from ground effects with sensible restrictions, such as banning sliding skirts. I'd like to see it be brought back, rather like the ground effects used by IndyCar.

You misunderstand: that was at the best of times. Drivers were beginning to experience momentary losses of consciousness and physical injuries. This aside, if the suction created by the skirts was broken momentarily, most of the downforce disappeared, which could cause massive accidents. It's widely believed that Patrick Depailler's fatal crash was caused by this.

I believe we already have ground effects. The current cars produce about 70% of their downforce from the underbody but instead of skirts, vortices are created at where the skirts would normally be to trap the air.

Check the most recent 2021 regs news. Ground effect is coming back!

Titanius Anglesmith But muh safety!!!!

fala sérgio!!

Thats what i was thinking while watching the video, It would be perfect because the track would not seem like a parking as paul Richard and It would be efficient and safe

But wouldn't the car sink into it and be unable to get out if it got stopped?

Or, because the car is so hot, it'll evaporate the water and bake the starch around it, making an instant F1 pie!

Thanks Jonah! This video ended up being really hard to make so I'm glad you still enjoyed it

When they drop, I'll be all over it :)

Some tracks use real or artificial grass to achieve the same effect.

My thoughts exactly. Make it a punishment for those who make a mistake, but also make it safe for those who lose control. I think a 1-2ft wide grass/artificial turf patch just behind the curbs followed by the tarmac run off area will help to solve that. It means drivers who try to rejoin the track at high speeds would have less grip and have the risk of spinning, forcing them to slow down when rejoining the track.

Actually it’s 167 different possible layouts😁 (sorrynotsorry)

DapperDog 😂😂😂 You forgot the 33 creative interpretations of track limits that are possible as well

Não sou o único brasileiro aqui! haha

I like the track because it's a great track, not because it has gravel traps, it's idiotic to like a track just because it has gravel traps

wrong, suzuka is awesome because of its very technical design not because it has a bunch of rocks and pebbles

Unfortunately he didn't predict the death of Antoine Hubert - the inevitable result of run-off areas that allow drivers to proceed at race speed and rule-makers who do essentially nothing to stop it.

If they don't race bikes on the curcuit that's a good option. Otherwise that's really dangerous for the riders...

You were there in the Powerpoint era and stuck with it through to now! Thanks :)