There are already plenty of alternate Warhammer fantasy universes: 1) Storm of Chaos: End Times but Chaos is stopped. 2) Age of Reckoning: Archaon isn't a thing and the latest Chaos invasion takes place after a major plague, lead by a Tzeentch Champion. 3) Total War: End Times haven't happened, but might if the player chooses Chaos. There was even an older novel about a Brettonian Knight who got lost in Athel Loren and (because times is distorted there) came out of it after the End Times had happened. The world was ravaged but there was still some life going on instead of... the world literally blowing up.

"End Times is still little too fresh for many people even tho' it was a decade". Lol. But on the other hand - yes, it still burns.

I actually do love the idea of the badguys winning in a setting, it's not something that happens often enough in fiction and it does make the hero's victory look less earned because you know from the first second the hero will win because it will always happen, the real question is how, how much will they suffer, and did they deserve the win, but with fantasy you have a great setting that was written to the point where entire nations were wiped out in almost as much attention as a race in 40k got to it's destruction despite the fact it was never documented anywhere except for in an interview, and the ones that did get proper lore got things like an assassin killing the high king of the dwarfs, despite the fact that the dwarfs have a great omen about there king's throne being destroyed marking there doom, they should have had the throne suffer a truly devastating barrage of hits from skaven artillery to the point where dwarfs were throwing themselves into the way shield first to protect the entire dwarf race, then finally at the end of the battle the dwarfs recover it, thorgrim wounded severely, countless rats falling off it, and once it's sat down and Thorgrim dies from his many warpstobe wounds, the throne falls apart and calls for every dwarf alive, from the warriors, to the women carrying babies both in them, and on on there back, to March out and settle every grudge they can resulting in many great battles

My biggest problem with the End Times is not that it happened, but *how* it happened. The sheer stupidity of a lot of the choices they made to wrap up Fantasy have eternally soured me on Age of Sigmar, which would be a setting I should absolutely love otherwise. It comes with a baggage that is just too heavy to bear. Edit: If you want to know what I mean, a compilation of choice moments from the Clown Times: half the world unceremoniously destroyed by either Skaven or Grimgor's Waaagh; Skaven actually causing more destruction and carnage than both Chaos and Nagash *combined* (they literally blow up Morisleb, annihilating the entire continent of Lustria!), yet ending up as Archaon's underlings anyway with no explanation; Kislev being destroyed in a footnote, same with Chaos Dwarfs; Bretonnia and Beastmen only getting marginally more screentime than the latter before being destroyed, despite having army books; Skarsnik getting some spotlight and then disappearing forever *because the writer forgot about him*. And my "favorite" one: the entire Elven race uniting behind Malekith of all people, because he was actually the Eternity King, destined to lead all the Elves, all along! However that was just revealed now because Asuryan fucked him... for reasons. And then cursed all the subsequent Phoenix Kings... for reasons. Those reasons being of course incredibly convoluted justifications for this insanely dumb retcon. Everything about the Elves and Malekith is by far the dumbest part of the End Times, and it would take pages to list all the stupid shit that happens there.

I dont mind Chaos winning in the very end but I would like the execution of that act to be written by somebody with little more neurons in the head. Something better than I can write, my 3 years old nephew or my talking turtle can do... -_- ....

I remember seeing this one youtube commenter saying he hated the End Times because he thought the whole point of Chaos was that it would always lose because of its lack of organization. Like he thought Chaos was so self-destructive that it was out of character for them to actually win the setting. I feel like that's just a very bad interpretation of things that makes both Chaos and Order look worse. Like apparently the world was saved from the first Chaos invasion not because of the sacrifices made by Aenaerion, Caledor, Lord Kroak and Grimnir, but just because Chaos stupid.

there's an interesting scene where grimnir mentioned to gotrek that the newly awoken master rune in gotreks axe was capable of killing the chaos gods, it's a shame to me that gotrek replaced grimnir in the chaos realms so late into the timeline and if it happened sooner there might have been a chance for the old world to defeat chaos.. afterall gotrek was thrown out of their realms after slaying anything and everything that came for him in there, to me that says that the chaos gods feared him and that axe

I want to see Gotrek and Felix again but this time explore their journeys east in Grand Cathay, Ind, and Kuresh.

Fine! I'll take a shot on the old world once again...

My guy, I come here for lore, and your ramblings/rants. Because no matter what it is you talk about your passion for the subject shine through and it's a pleasure to listen to

I too hope they redo the end times. Not even like, the broad strokes, just the details. And of course since Cathay and Kislev are being fleshed out - Kislev still probably has to be basically obliterated in the beginning, but maybe Kostaltyn holds up in Erengrad south of the Bastion and gets up to some stuff. But Cathay in the End Times would be cool, instead of being a footnote.

Man all I care about is Sotek content, I could listen to you describe paint drying and I'd watch it. Granted you will ramble on about how it could dry better for an hour. Yet I'd still watch it.

Nearly NOBODY likes the "endtimes" bullshit, almost nobody considers it canon, and it was only done by GW in order to try and transition to SIGMAR. It was a business decision. And a really shit one.

For anyone who didn't see this coming, they clearly weren't reading the articles.

Related question: Why did the Chaos Gods want to destroy the world? I know at least Slaanesh was having fun, but other than Tzeentch, it seems they'd be better off continuing the status quo. Never-ending war and blood for Khorne and an endless cycle of death and decay for Nurgle.

I agree that an apocalyptic end is the most thematically fitting way to end the Warhammer universe, and I think most people who hate the way it was handled would agree as well. For me, probably the worst crime is age of Sigmar, which feels like backpeddling to me, and it undermines the seriousness of the apocalypse if it is followed up by a very similar setting. It's like when comics keep hyping up the next big catastrophe only to reset the timeline or revive all the fallen heroes or w/e. In that sense I think it would have been wiser to kick the can down the road a bit further, have the heroes defeat Archeon at great cost, permanently changing the setting but still keeping most of it around for further use. Or if you're hell bent on doing the ballsy thing, have a good follow-up plan for after you nuke the world and stick to it, don't try to have your apocalypse and keep your fantasy setting too.

I find it funny how chaos didn't actually win, order wonish by just destroying the world thus depriving the chaos gods of their "food".

The real problem is that all of this struggle against chaos was reduced to a fight without symbolic meaning and the philosophy was essentially just wallowing in WHFB's own degraded, self-derivative canon. Why would Chaos be inevitable and what does that tell us about existence itself? Good stories say something about the human heart, about society, about nature, or other things that are worth thinking about. The End Times personal stories were corny to the point of terrible cringe, in part because they don't mean anything. It's just smashing your He-Man and Skeletor figures together like a five year old. It's Occidental Dragonball Z: a bunch of cartoon characters screaming at each other and then exploding. But your mention of the new WFRP material really gets at what's good about Warhammer Fantasy, because Cubicle 7 simply has to write better material than the slop that GW put out in the 2010s. They have to do better because TTRPGs simply have higher standards of storytelling.

I love how this is titled like one of those terrible "and here's why that's a good thing" articles.

Love the ramblin’! Great points. Keep it up!

I'd like another shot at The End Times, but I'd prefer it to not be as... final. More "End of the World as You Know It" and less "World Blows Up". Because I want the story to progress, and I'd like major events to have consequences, but as long as The End Times is a definitive end point, we're eventually going to get to a point where it either stops progressing, or ends.

i did not know norscan dwarfs had new lore! could you make a video on them plzzz? :3

Chaos is inevitable by nature. You can't fight Khorne without bloodshed. You can't fight Nurgle without spreading his diseases. You can't fight Slaanesh without joyce for every little victory. You can't fight Tzeench without fighting your own Destiny and you can't know if a victory against him wasn't part of his greater Plan.

I'm really looking forward to new lore/novels that Old World brings. On a side note I think that the Age of Sigmar lore is becoming a lot more interesting too.

I think it wouldve been cool if there was like a fantasy setting for AFTER the end times, like chaos has schlorped up everything and the world is awful now and then we get to see what the post end times world is like, idk I think that'd be neat even if it isn't plausible or GW would never do that.

Chaos winning is okay, just done in the shittiest manner possible imo. And honestly maybe too soon, given the world did have more spaces you could fill out and make ongoing stories for, that AoS would struggle with. I mean, cathay, Ind, Araby etc would struggle to fit into AoS lol. Empire and others only fit by the cities of sigmar themselves because they're old models.

If GW wanted SPESS MUREENZ in fantasy, they could have just done that instead of whatever the FUCK The End Times was. And let's be clear, the only reason AoS exists is because GW has a hardon for getting EVERYTHING trademarked, thus the goofy new names for all the same models.

it is honestly pretty fitting that the world of Warhammer Fantasy ended, and anyone who is even remotely familiar with the setting knows it was always inevitable. but my god, I would do *anything* for a thorough and well-made End Times rewrite.

Fantasy is still the greatest thing gw has ever done this isn't a discussion just fact.

love it, sotek! it is funn lisening to you being hype on stuff

Ngl, I can't get into the AoS novels - less grounded and nothing feels quite as heroic in the face of overwhelming odds. I had no issue with the end times (it was obvious the world was ultimately doomed), but to be frank I wish they had not been written. Better to be that "next time" sort of story so that we can continue with the general setting. My question is when will we see Old World fantasy novels. I honestly just care about reimmersing myself in the setting I knew and loved. Let's be real, is there anything in AoS novels that comes close to the battle for 8 peaks? I miss it.

This prospect sounds very exciting and I do hope it comes true. Characters making meaningful decisions and sacrifices, there being consequences for their actions etc. is something I really wanna see more of. And I'd love to see a more emotional/mental battle in the final battle between Sigmar and Archaon. Kinda like the one between Anakin and Obi Wan, where Sigmar even tries to reason with Archaon or apologizes for not intervening when he needed him most. Maybe archaon having a final epiphany when he realizes the utter horror and error of him playing part of the Dark God's schemes.

There’s gonna have to be retcons in order for any of it to make sense with all the new additions. Make room for the demise of all the new stuff, not just breeze past it. And these new additions should not apply to just the end times. Things should be retconned with anything new that’s been added to the setting from Total War and what will come from both it and the Old World in the future. The End Times should be addressed again with all the new additions. Whenever that is. But that’s only off GW is serious about this being the same timeline. If they’re not going to actually take that seriously, they should separate the two and tell new stories. And maybe finally grow some balls to make them have consequences and progression.

I would love to see in the future a proper End Time . If they try again in the next decade I wish they retcon most of it go back to the drawing board and be like "we have the beginning and we have an end ... let's flesh out the middle PROPERLY this time" . Looking back it feels terrible that AoS found itself on the receiving end of the terrible writing because now it feels like a proper continuation but god allmighty was it off for a rough start .

My introduction to the lore was when the Heroquest game came out and later I started playing Heroquest advanced and later Warhammer. I don't remember the doom times of chaos from the beginning, that's something it came later from GW. Personally, I am not a fan of the chaos wins as then everything is in vain and why play a game where its lore fate is decided. For me end times never happened, but that's my opinion. Nice video btw.

I understood from the start that ET was going to stay canon and I suspect that it will remain untouched for years to come bar some AoS related retcons. Old World will not be that affected by it bar a few allusions to it as most characters are either not currently alive or are in a far earlier part of their story and I doubt we will see stuff that happened after Magnus’s reign. Araloth to my understanding is likely going to be the one with the most ET specific related stuff but that is just wild speculation.

Chaos is supposed to win out eventually, that's Warhammer. 40k too, but there's Tyranids too

Personally these are my favorite type of videos.

I think as said, the issue isn't THAT the world was destroyed by chaos - it's more about HOW it was destroyed and HOW characters acted and other fought or didn't fight in some cases...

It’s one of the reasons I like AoS more than WFB. Chaos is an actual force you can deal with. Chaos isn’t basically the air you breathe (usually) you can cleanse areas, landmarks, artifacts, and souls themselves. It’s not even less grimdark for it.

Hold on a sec though. What if it IS like FF7 remake, that's actually a really cool idea. So in OG 7 Sephiroth just straight up won and became a huge part of the lifestream giving him control of people's memories which is how he fucks with cloud. It also gives him control of time and destiny, he can shape them at his will which is why/how he controls the whispers. Remake is Aerith's (who is also in the lifestream but far away from and less powerful than Sephiroth) one shot to change what happened and deny Sephiroth his victory, we don't know how she engineered it to happen but Sephiroth is using the whispers to keep everyone on the same path as OG 7, even reviving Barrett at a time when he wasn't supposed to die, so that he maintains control of the entire planet. I mean it is waaaay more complex but that is enough for us to transfer over to Warhammer fantasy. So for Warhammer, someone in AoS like Sigmar or Alarielle or maybe even Nagash or better yet is Mazda or Lord Kroak a God in AoS? would need to engineer a way to send their future knowing consciousness/memories to themselves in the past long before the ET and from that moment work towards fixing this one thing above all else. Chaos as a whole would also remember what happened originally and would be dead set on trying to keep that course of actions exactly the same. This would be such a cool storyline and would need some much better writing than the ET got but for the most part it would mean you could keep AoS and restore WFB to it's 8th edition state over a period of years and then we just kill Mannfred early or something and everything can be fine no ET victory for chaos.

When the only reason your enemy hasn't beaten you yet is because they are playing a game with someone else and dedicating only a sliver of their attention to your efforts, and they are 4 of these kinds of people, your defeat is inevitable.

I fully agree that what GW is trying to do with moving things forward fails because they don't commit. Personally I would love there to be an end to AoS and 40k's story.

To be honest, you going off-topic and rambling about the most obscure facts and ideas from Warhammer is why I'm here

The Bad Guys Win in Warhammer Fantasy... I don't think people realise how few pieces of media have the bad guys just straight up win. Warhammer fantasy is in the 0.0000001% of all media for this, and it's honestly pretty damn cool.

Any Loremaster content is good content my man!

Gorkamorka has no baggage. In the old world or aos there is only the great Waaagh!

In a way order factions are more powerful now and can match chaos compared to before. They needed to go to another level to destroy chaos. Good to have you back Sotek , great content

This cleared some stuff up for me, thank ya!

I'm convinced that most people irrationally mad about this got into fantasy too late through the total war games and feel bamboozled that it ended before they even heard of it.

glad you are back into the swing of things. hope life doesn't try to beat you down again for some time

The End Times was just to get rid of the Warhammer world, which had not seen anything resembling proper support for years before they screwed it into the ground. They could have at least put in some real writing effort in giving it a proper send of. But it was 'get this done as fast as possible so we can make way for the new model line. But what one one expect from a place run by former Hasbro Execs

It's so strange, from book reviews and comments I've seen in different corners of the internet - there seems to be a lot of people who actually loved the End Times.

The endtimes has been retconned before so I am not sure why people talk like it wont be again.

I'm fine with Chaos winning in Whfb if they make Sigmar win the AoS timeline. Like the Slann knowing the world needed to burn to make the ultimate victory on the multiverse or something similar

I completely agree. Grimdark is very difficult to do right because it conflicts with the notion of heroic actions. 40k works around this by making everyone commit war crimes, which can get dry pretty quickly. What I like about Warhammer fantasy is the impending doom that is always present in the readers mind. It makes every character tragic because no matter their triumphs, it doesn't matter. Even the Chaos aligned characters become tragic in a way because their struggles are so meaningless. They are just pawns in this big stupid game that ends with the world blowing up. The creeping dread of the End Times is baked into the setting and removing it would remove a layer of complexity to the settings character that I think would be sorely missed!

Honestly and well said. I appreciate your candor.

I dnd’t know that skarsnik became a comet following the bad moon, dunno why but I find it soo cool for the gloomspite

While the end times as written was bad with the elf parts being horrible I respect GW for trying to make an apocalypse where evil wins

Awesome video! These kinds of conversations are great

I still want to defeat chaos... In my mind or...whatever. I don't know, I hope ToW has some story progression of some sorts, but I hope it's in a true alternate timeline where the End times as we know it doesn't come to fruition.

I love this take even if I don’t fully agree, listening to the End times audio books has both greatly increased my appreciation for and against it hahaha

What happens to the Realm of Hcaos in the End Times tho ? Since Deamons no longer have a world outside to manifest on anymore does the Realm of Chaos also gets destroys or do things go on there as usual ? I kinda wonder

Well put Sotek, I was pleasantly surprised to hear your positive feelings on AoS! I haven't really been able to get into the setting with the minimal effort I've put in so far. Would you consider doing a 'why I love AoS video and giving a reading list?

Took me a minute to get to the video but I like this style

Being "inevitable" in the story is not the same as inevitable in real life the first is fine as a concept but it doesn't justify the second for me. I understand why they needed a reboot but I don't agree that they needed to kill Fantasy to do a reboot. A proper ending can be satisfying but to kill eveyone off and end the world as a way to discontinue a product left a bad taste for me that I can't get over. It doesn't help that AoS is not for me too many core concepts are really not to my liking I'm glad others like it though. Its a really good point and I hope your right that they can use The Old World to introduce consequential story telling.

I have no issues with the end times in a vacuum. I think it created some pretty cool concepts, the winds of magic being bound to people, vermintide games, the general feel of the world ending is cool and unique, you never really see the heroes lose in these types of things. My issue is how what should have been an alternate timeline/ what-if scenario to explain how aos came about was used to lazily, disrespectfully and without any concern for plot lines that had been developing for years just pull the plug and say "nope, thats gone now lol". Aos is fine, but it is not the same. I like my fantasy settings to feel grounded with rules, I want the hero to be technically able to walk into Mordor, but there to be geographical, theological and practical reasons why they can't, instead of just "space but not".

I personally enjoyed this video and videos like this because of how passionate u are about it

as someone who has come to enjoy WHFB lore through Total War (and your channel!) I've got the weird perspective of looking back and not knowing how it was at the time The End Times happened, I was aware of it as a 40k fan, but it was mainly just community outcry i'd see at the time. I honestly think all the stories of The End Times are really cool, but certainly agree that everything seemed a bit rushed, in terms that it just felt like characters were dropping like flies. I agree with the sentiment that I hope GW tries it again with a bit more forethought into it, and if I'm honest I think 40k has essentially had it's "End Times" with the psychic awakening and the current Arks of Omen, except without the finality and complete reset of the End Times where the plot lurches forward for a while and then springs to life and takes a huge leap.

Definitely agree with the I don't hate the end times because they happened but because of how they did it

Great video Sotek! Please answer a genuine lore question for me. As we know the Chaos gods feed from the various emotions, violence, lust etc of the mortal realms. What do they gain by completely annihilating the world? Wouldnt in turn cease to exist if mortal life ceases to exist on the planet?

Always love stream of consciousness stuff, gets your own voice out there into the ether

Chaos, the objective good guys winning!? Wow, such an optimistic universe

Well...for new characters yes there's more freedom. But existing characters cannot die or change at all because they have to be alive and in certain places for when the End Times does happen. It's like making a prequel to a popular movie, there's no tension because we all KNOW that the main characters 100% survives because the original movie happens. So...telling new stories with new characters yes gives GW more freedom. But not at all for already existing characters. Interested in your thoughts on this, Sotek.

I started playing Warhammer fantasy at the end of 5th/very start of 6th. And I very much remember the grim heroism of the setting- where you weren't fighting to win, but to delay the doom of the world. So yes, the world had to end in the end. Otherwise Chaos was a paper tiger. I kinda feel Chaos is overhyped nowdays anyway, but that's a personal thing.

I'm gonna disagree with you on the inevitability of the End Times and that's Chaos should win no matter what in the end. I agree though, that main keynote is that the Old World is doomed with Chaos, but more like not to fall for its forces entirely but to be in eternal stalemate with it. And I mean not in the way as GW usually do, as you described - the events look like thay should mean something and have a huge repercussions, but ends up doing nothing. I see it more like as ever changing switch of the status quo's, with new characters to arise and factions to appear or to transform. Like for example - Chaos are pushing another invasion in Old World, oblitareates Kislev as it is and its remnants move somewhere else (Border Princes for example) and establish a new state, then Empire facing the invasion and in dispairity completely succumbs to vampires and their forces and becoming Vampire Empire but stops the invasion, with Chaos taking Kislev's land entirely still. And if you want pike'n'shot faction to still exist, the remnants of imperials, who disagree with vamps, will form another empire by melding with Estalia/Tilea - it would be a great hommage to Habsburgs also. And at the end of an event we have a huge changes in setting without it being destroyed. And these status quo alterations could be happening on every front with Chaos or other forces of destruction - when Destruction wins something, Order wins something somewhere else and vice versa.

Sotek: Today's gonna be a short video.... 20 mins later.

Nah, what GW should do is to give Magnus the Pious a vision of the End Times as it is written now . Knowing how it ends Magnus and later others known and new characters could launch/try launch an alternative passing of events/history/timeline. This way GW could still hold to their End Times material and we could have new stuff without only bringing details to the old timeline. This way we could have a sort of second go to save a doomed world. A detailed warhammer world staging scene would still be around for a new drama. What I like about Fantasy is unenhanced mostly mortals battling supernatural and superhuman adversary, just hanging right there on the edge (it does not feel that way with Age of ground marines, so not really a grimdark).

Run from it, Hide from it, Destiny arrives all the same

I don’t know why they have to keep running it in.

I personally have a total different point of view from the original warhammer timeline back in 1st ed (which you can find online if your lucky or dig deep enough) then later GW changed it as doomed - the old time line puts the warhammer world in a forever time loop forever playing out its short timeline - there is some reasons for such but they where not fushed out of course and are just head canon. So I am true to the first timeline and see the after changed-editted timeline as just "what people who live there know or think they know" as in the timeline acorrding to teh Empire. So in my book the world can never be destroyed but will never go into a long naritive time wise the way it was meant to be when Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone created it - well I say created but really it was a sort of nod to them themselves.

I gotta be honest it’s not the outcome that people wanted but if tclis allowed Nagash to be brought back at full power I fully believed that he would have turned the whole world undead and sapped the gods power.

Wouldn't this mean that in age of sigmar chaos will still win or in 40k being the same? I feel that there is not much point in following something that in the end will be inevitable in all franchises (I know that if it is well written it is enjoyable and that everything GW does is grimdark but at least it is the impression it gives me as someone totally new to their narratives... I'm still very interested! I look forward to the return of the old world! great video :)

Are there any particular streams where sotek goes into the possible ways of defeating chaos?

i think its good that chaos winning is an inevitable matter of time, its what makes the setting what it is but having a world ending event happen is just not needed, especially if its done in a convoluted way where the world blows up and creates a new realm what does their victory even mean in the great scheme when all it does is create a new realm where they end up comparatively weaker than before? it all just seems like an afterthought

My biggest problem with End Times is that Elspeth didn't go all out. I want my big titty goth gf to be badass

To be fair, it would look silly to try and retcon the End Times by taking the setting 200 years back. It shouldn't be relevant in that time period.

I'm kinda hoping that the intention of Old World is that it gives them a chance to rewrite a bunch of the stuff, From the time of Kull to the end times, Starting so far back, gives them plenty of time to clean up the story. Working from the chosen timeline gives them 200 years or editions to work on up to redoing the end times (not a retcon like lots of people want, but Agreed that it should be rewritten.)

I'm not sure I fully agree with the idea that the End Times should ultimately be absolute and inevitable. But I will say that a better-written, well-planned and masterfully executed End Times does have its appeal. As the main problem with the original End Times for me really was the extremely poor execution of it. Can't say I'm excited for it leading up to Age of Sigmar though. Don't get me wrong it's not me hating AoS for necessarily any objective reasons. There are many fantastic IPs with very similar type of setting as AoS. But the key issue is -- those are not the type of setting I myself like. Which is why Age of Sigmar simply can't substitute for Warhammer Fantasy as it's successor for me personally even if we have an absolute masterpiece of an End Times get written sometimes in future that absolutely concludes the story of WF is a satisfactory way despite the grim ending. So yeah I don't/won't care for AoS either way regardless of how things turn out in the future with the Old World or a rewritten End Times. Which was why I was in favor of another different future for WF after the End Times arc rather than just leading up the AoS setting as the one true future. Something similiar more structure to the Old WF setting. But I suppose that'll forever remain a beautiful and distant dream as far as GW is concerned.

taking another swing at the end times isn't the worst idea, I mean look how long they've been doing the horus heresy book series for and end times had what 1 year?

I just wanna know where Kroq-gar is in AoS. He survived the End Times as far as I know and besides Kroak we have 0 named characters.

Well I am not really agreeing on statement that chaos wins. Like end time is strange thing, how they unbound vortex, and then tried to create new one. With same results they could just repair Ulthuan vortex, like it was in the game.

i enjoy these musings

I wonder if there will be an Overtyrant of the Ogres...? I wan be funny fat men

Hello Sotek! I am not sure this is the right place to ask this question. I have never played warhammer fantasy or any other table top game, but I have always loved the models and now learning about the lore. My question is where does one start to learn more about it? Also what books would you recommend? I have looked around seeing the black library, but there are so many I have no clue what would be a good book / books to start. If you could recommend some guidance there I would greatly appreciate that. Would like to add I have watched a lot of your videos recently and I am having a blast learning about this world. Especially with the green skins and dwarfs. Thank you for your time

I'm actually curious that if the Forces of Order had actual "God Slayers" that can face the Chaos Gods head on could the End of the World be stopped completely........... or now that I think about it, would these "Slayers" become gods themselves and betray those they have fought and cared for after killing the Chaos Gods. I am not including Yuri/Daniel because he had much more of an executioner role than a "Slayer" because Ursun was all chained up by Belakor therefor Yuri didn't have to fight against Ursun first in order to land a killing blow. Also Belakor kept Ursun alive after Yuri/Daniel "killed" him

all i heard was age of sigmar, rapidly

Dude, screw the end times. It just translates to “the end of your favorite game.” Give me a fantasy game that is static and allows me to perpetually throw classic fantasy troops on the field and fight the never ending war of good and evil. Screw the evolving story line leading to a blown up world. It was strictly done to make money.

So the End Time itself are Okay but How Characters act during the event just broken yes? I mean we can make all characters and events play out more Logical and handled better and give an Epic ending of the Warhammer World what it deserve right?

You really dropped the ball in this one Sotek. Even if the world had to end it does not mean it had to end right now when there was still great potential to expand the story and even increase the number of interesting factions. The end times was not good, it was lazy and it was not carried out beacuse of a narrative choice but for a financial one.