The fact that these criminals can talk and explain themselves really well compared to some of the knobs in prison today.
@Mistwalker673 жыл бұрын
Illiterate, spice fuelled meat heads today true.
@ericclaptonbutnotthefamous96103 жыл бұрын
Yeah times are a changing for sure, and for the worst in this respect unfortunately.
@ericclaptonbutnotthefamous96103 жыл бұрын
@cross hatch2 True that!
@Stiffd13 жыл бұрын
F**k! Hope that fella is out and about today walking the str8. Army gave him discipline.
@1700iDiGuy2 жыл бұрын
I know, now they are illiterate mongs that need sterilizing
@hunglikeanhamster931Ай бұрын
Good to see and hear how the English spoke and thought back in the day. Brilliant documentary, thanks for sharing 🙏
@frenchgoldenboyfanАй бұрын
It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
@williamschlich83893 ай бұрын
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
@1stBowmanАй бұрын
Incredible how calm he was. I wonder how long he served for manslaughter and what happened to him when he was released.
@breakfast917Ай бұрын
Bang to rights
@user-ly8bq3tx5jАй бұрын
@@1stBowman he was trained to kill remember
@SaxonybedwitchАй бұрын
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
@user-ly8bq3tx5jАй бұрын
@@Saxonybedwitch you have only HIS word for that....we weren't there
@noneofyourbizness3 ай бұрын
excellent doco. got depth to it...and no pathetic background music attempting to tell you how to feel.
@Ken_oh545Ай бұрын
As a musician I agree with this sentiment entirely - nothing more irritating than unwelcome music
@KinEllKokabelАй бұрын
@@Ken_oh545👆This
@robertbryan4640Ай бұрын
The standard of sociological documentary and investigative film back up until the 1990s was just much better.
@KinEllKokabelАй бұрын
@@robertbryan4640 I’m watching ‘em lately. Great to listen to as I potter around my flat 👍🏻
@robertbryan4640Ай бұрын
@KinEllKokabel there was a series called 'man alive' on BBC. Have a look at them.
@ZacksleepsАй бұрын
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
@v8cool231Ай бұрын
Innit like you know wot I mean
@Man_Raised_By_PuffinsАй бұрын
They don't make convicted criminals like they used to mate, we'll miss them now they're gone
@MrProfitPathАй бұрын
Trust bruv what u sayin? mumzies good yh? Anuwaus wahalli send the ps to mans baby mum ting a dat for some baccy and ting g
@user-pv9kg9ou1lАй бұрын
@@Man_Raised_By_Puffinsconvicted murderers 😂
@str0kedjАй бұрын
brap brap blud
@darryldickerson90799 ай бұрын
Great to see old school documentaries like this 👌
@CharlieEdward259 ай бұрын
💯 %
@derp85754 ай бұрын
You can say that again, pecker head!
@Ickie71Ай бұрын
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
@fredmercury1314Ай бұрын
11:23 "What have you done about your alcoholism now you're inside?" "Well, I've stopped drinking."
@kindregardless12 күн бұрын
Hahahaga, classic!!
@kf55418 күн бұрын
Hooch is a big problem in jails, especially for the violent drinkers who kick off in there on it!
@acquiesce100Ай бұрын
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from London to Scotland.
@stuartj1234Ай бұрын
And now look at the state!!
@IngramCarsАй бұрын
in 1980 you would listen to people on TV programmes 10 or 20 years previously and think they were more polite and better spoken!
@hicmadАй бұрын
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
@workhorse713428 күн бұрын
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge. Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
@gobshite2 жыл бұрын
When the UK was a very different place
@derp85754 ай бұрын
Diversity is terrible.
@1stBowmanАй бұрын
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
@zeddekaАй бұрын
@@derp8575and you're a russian troll
@zeddekaАй бұрын
Why would it be the same? This was literally last century
@user-pe2pt2bs7xАй бұрын
Diversity is our strength 😂😂😂
@kitharrison8799Ай бұрын
Stay sober and don't fuck around with shotguns.
@fredmercury1314Ай бұрын
Or at least don't do them at the same time. lol
@tuforu4Ай бұрын
Avoid. Ireland. As. We'll.
@jamesupton56016 ай бұрын
It's so weird how peoples accents change over the years. The voices seem softer, yet more mature. Maybe they just interviewed the best talkers?
@kitharrison8799Ай бұрын
Kids these days put on that daft rap/grime gibberish innit.
@tylersweet5994Ай бұрын
@@kitharrison8799 Also need to add several 'Likes' in every sentence as well.
@young_legend8091Ай бұрын
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
@Ickie71Ай бұрын
Nope. This todays generation really is that diffrent!.
@AcidMouthFredPromotionsАй бұрын
The first story is a great example of having a positive mental attitude. Four years in the army can instill discipline.
@kebabtank22 күн бұрын
That's right. As an aside, the lad got out in 1985 as the murder charge was reduced to manslaughter.
@saxongreen782 жыл бұрын
A lot of people get life for bumping off troublesome family members - makes me feel a bit better about having no contact with mine.
@StuartWhelan-up8vsАй бұрын
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
@jonjames7328Ай бұрын
@@StuartWhelan-up8vsbless you Stuart. I wish you all the best.
@tuforu4Ай бұрын
Land and property. Wills. Cause. Murders.
@G4RY11592 ай бұрын
No TV's or play stations back in them days, a radio, piss pot and a few scud mags.
@m75s87Ай бұрын
Scud mags 😂😂 Tremendous 80’s dialect!
@DMWBN3Ай бұрын
Scud mags 😂 Skin flicks. Jizz mags.😂
@Ickie71Ай бұрын
never heard that term scud? wank mags over here!
@terryfishbourne6927Ай бұрын
Scud mags 😂😂😂 Jesus I haven't heard that for years dude. Just spat my beer out 😂😂
@terryfishbourne6927Ай бұрын
@@m75s87I had same reaction mate
@donopete1Ай бұрын
Why do prisons back then seem almost safer and more cultured than British streets today? 🤔
@teddiemack8071Ай бұрын
diversity
@andysaunders3708Ай бұрын
Because they were.
@astroemerald3175Ай бұрын
Too many lenient Judges and do gooders who let thi garbage out onto the street .
@mikepxg6406Ай бұрын
Immigration
@BrownDaddy00720 күн бұрын
Because society was less agitated by constant media noise. The people you're seeing grew up with 2 T.V. channels that started at 9am, and ended at 11pm. Media today is non-stop, constantly cultivating dullards, and louts, who bang on about diversity, and immigration, as if they understood the rudimentary elements of this world.
@pasha12343Ай бұрын
Wow iam amazed how eloquent these people are
@DMWBN3Ай бұрын
Shows how the English language has been butchered by outside influence. England was better 20+ years ago.
@Seamus196611 күн бұрын
Why ? All the British, born before 1990 speak this way. Societal Intelligence..
@Dr.GunsmithАй бұрын
As of 2024 I’d like to see a update video of these mam and their life.
@kebabtank22 күн бұрын
There was a follow up done by Rex Bloomenstein in 2003 and I would like to see another, but I guess it would be hard to get these people to go on camera again. Some would be dead by now I would assume.
@mannyrobbo45083 жыл бұрын
"So I went upstairs and grabbed a couple of shotguns".......like you do!
@edforbes1563Ай бұрын
What could possibly go wrong??
@bowwowrapha7790Ай бұрын
@@edforbes1563 When you're drunk? Nothing!!
@marrowgreen5519Ай бұрын
Said it for years the amount of people doing time being drunk/drugged is phenomenal.
@sputnik19412 жыл бұрын
The searing honesty is incredible .
@kebabtank2 жыл бұрын
I know. For me it's the brevity in the way they talk, they just get straight to the point, no messing about.
@truetothegame29287 ай бұрын
they got chocolates / cigarettes for their interviews - never trust the television
@paulmcdonough1093Ай бұрын
@@truetothegame2928 who cares
@Ickie71Ай бұрын
you wouldnt get that with the shits of today.
@truetothegame292829 күн бұрын
@@paulmcdonough1093 you do because you replied 😝
@Mrmallet777Ай бұрын
The amount of people in for committing their crimes while drunk is scary
@BullyBoxerАй бұрын
More in for what they smoke trust me .
@dg9015Ай бұрын
Alcohol is deadly
@mattgosling2657Ай бұрын
Yeah mate drink and these days especially drugs, they cause so many one off offences that can ruin lives too often.
@bowwowrapha7790Ай бұрын
Don't hang out with drunks. It's a nightmare existence. I know, because I was there, once upon a time!!
@HairyKnuckles222Ай бұрын
@@BullyBoxer yes in todays age mate, not back then so much.
@ericclaptonbutnotthefamous96103 жыл бұрын
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
@kebabtank3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this with us mate. I hope Alistair is well? What did he do with his life when he got out? All the best.
@ericclaptonbutnotthefamous96103 жыл бұрын
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
@BlytheWorld19722 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
@RetroRegan2 жыл бұрын
Someone in the comments further down said that he won his appeal and was released in 1985.
@weedee1477 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
@EstoveraxАй бұрын
Ah - the bomber jacket - the hoodie of the 80s 😂
@DMWBN3Ай бұрын
Sta-Press, waffle cardigans, Ben Shermans, DM's, solo belts & M15 jacket.
@jamesbeaton7010Ай бұрын
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
@lewissmith3896Ай бұрын
Exactly James.
@Ickie71Ай бұрын
Of course you did james ofc you did!.
@tonyalways71742 жыл бұрын
A phenomenal documentary. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@kc81815 жыл бұрын
A very cold character the first guy. But an army man who didn’t know he was pointing a gun at someone? Not so sure about that.
@CharlieEdward255 жыл бұрын
Couldn't work it out myself probs a drunken arguement possibly we will never no :(
@kc81815 жыл бұрын
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@kc81815 жыл бұрын
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@CharlieEdward255 жыл бұрын
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
@quantro654 жыл бұрын
He won his appeal, got out in 85 .
@miss.l.15632 жыл бұрын
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway. A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍. I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019. Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy! I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol (Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
@CharlieEdward252 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy these few other good prison docs on the channel 😀
@BradCollier-zn2ucАй бұрын
Gobby Cows 😂 haven't heard that one 😂😂😂
@BullyBoxerАй бұрын
@@CharlieEdward25any first or 2nd names to the lifers in this film ?
@DMWBN3Ай бұрын
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in. Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on KZfaq from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
And the architecture is some of the finest Victoriana I've seen.
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
@cross hatch2 Blue plastic spoons. big mugs of tea and a cake each evening after lock-up. Bliss!
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
The pottery I'm not so sure.
@rexterrocks3 жыл бұрын
I was there in 85 and there were 3 of us to a cell. I'd only give it 2 stars.
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
@bobholyoake8577 Жыл бұрын
Different criminals back then unlike today
@Ickie7123 күн бұрын
Todays generation aint got a patch on ours! They dont even come close
@adamwuksta3255Ай бұрын
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
@whywhywhy9659Ай бұрын
The first man is unbelievable.
@Ickie7123 күн бұрын
why? wtf is wrong with you?
@woowah324 күн бұрын
A very dangerous and mentally unstable individual. Certainly not responsible enough to own a gun.
@BlytheWorld19725 жыл бұрын
amazing vintage uk doc
@kevphillips023 ай бұрын
Rubber dolls for prisoners 😂 . We must start a campaign for rubber dolls .
@Mrmallet777Ай бұрын
His ass is getting pummeled
@Stanly-StudАй бұрын
More like dildos
@Danstarrrr882 ай бұрын
“Million pound and helicopter” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@CharlieEdward252 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌 classic
@edforbes1563Ай бұрын
Fuck it, just give us a bottle of pernod!
@RaggandristАй бұрын
I pissed myself at that too.
@tonimarx6405Ай бұрын
Amazing that the prisoners serving a life sentence back then speak more clearly and have more dignity than most people nowadays.
@howey9352 жыл бұрын
The punishment is losing their liberty that doesn’t mean treat them like animals. Treat people like animals they’ll act like animals.
@eyefishinggunkchannel10112 жыл бұрын
this is rare...from the 80s bloody hell verry rare..
@david18ireland7 күн бұрын
That ex army guy...if you believe that story youll believe anything. He clearly never learned anything in the army, was completely reckless and undisciplined with a gun. "I didn't realise the gun was pointed at him" pprrfff
@anenglishlassxx1163 жыл бұрын
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
You can't anyway. Intoxication is no defence in British law.
@Donaldtrunp20243 жыл бұрын
he said was going with what evidence says
@SiLoJayLo2 жыл бұрын
Why are you looking to catch him out?! Who set YOU up to be his judge?! You're not fit for that purpose..................
@anenglishlassxx1162 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Mangraper2 жыл бұрын
@@nickpn23 Actually it can be used as a way of removing intent from certain crimes.
@TheGBs19724 жыл бұрын
Just watching this and it’s excellent. Would love to know what became of some the inmates.
@CharlieEdward254 жыл бұрын
One of the best
@TheGBs19723 жыл бұрын
@@virusoaxzy9727 That great time hear. Just goes to show how people can make a success of their lives despite things not always going to plan.
@Nick-fy1zp3 жыл бұрын
Amazing footage with the fella who was with Bob maudsley.. mad to see that..thanks
@mattgosling2657Ай бұрын
Never at 13 minutes was that Bob Maudsley? I feel bad for that guy a bit.
@paulwoods3161Ай бұрын
The guys name is David Cheeseman.
@tedwards1604Ай бұрын
@@paulwoods3161do you know what happened to him? Cheers
@pokeybloke723728 күн бұрын
@@paulwoods3161 Cheers. I was wondering if he’s still alive.
@pilothobson24 күн бұрын
Cheeseman raped a 16 year old girl.
@kingdan56175 жыл бұрын
“I’ll have a pair of breast before I get out” ........you’ll have a sore arse first mate!!! 😂😂😂
@ianmangham45702 жыл бұрын
Getting old is a TRIP
@eamonnevans80052 жыл бұрын
I wonder what happened to all these lifers. How many of them would still be inside today, 40 years on.
@kebabtank Жыл бұрын
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@lymarie197410 ай бұрын
@@kebabtankthank you for the update.
@A_M_P_Ай бұрын
@kebabtank Where can we find the 2003 follow up?
@kebabtankАй бұрын
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on KZfaq in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@A_M_P_Ай бұрын
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
@billywatson1552Ай бұрын
Would much rather be in prison in the 80’s that the 2020’s !!
@Hoxton66Ай бұрын
I was lucky to be, than now
@Ladygaga4047Ай бұрын
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed. He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
@Ozzy-872 жыл бұрын
30:40 theres a fine line between genius and insanity and this fella is walking right along it.
@MrGoneTroppo Жыл бұрын
"I picked up a hammer that was lying on the side" - he's lucky I can never find a hammer when I need one
@granitesevan6243 Жыл бұрын
@@MrGoneTroppo have you looked in the toolbox?
@MrChipz900 Жыл бұрын
I’m assuming he never got out. Fascinating listen.
@MrChipz900 Жыл бұрын
Also, imagine how mental the blokes are he chooses to avoid 🤣
@Ickie71Ай бұрын
1750 Lifers in 1980, Forwards to today The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Fact file reveals. There are 8,554 people in prison in the UK serving a life sentence-more than France, Germany and Italy combined.11 Dec 2018. It IS Doubling every decade! No wonder its in such a state in 2024!
@moominmay3 жыл бұрын
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
@thecouralАй бұрын
Some of the comments here ridiculous talking about how well they speak who cares they murderers and should never come out
@andrewcrombie13712 жыл бұрын
Jail today is 80 percent junkies 10 percent polish and 10 percent just normal guys getting there head down and getting on with it.
@cameron1999cam2 жыл бұрын
Madness how quite a of these people will still be in prison at this current moment.
@eyefishinggunkchannel10112 жыл бұрын
this was the 80s now that is 42 years ago u only get 15 for a murder or a bit more none of them will be still in
@odorlesslebs80552 жыл бұрын
They are doing 15 years
@ptrekboxbreaks51982 жыл бұрын
@@odorlesslebs8055 the very first kid had a life sentence
@igor-yp1xv2 жыл бұрын
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
@kebabtank Жыл бұрын
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 He got out in 1985 after an appeal.
@LadyCleo1Ай бұрын
The guy talking at 40 mins plus deserves a whole life sentence
@scribble3478Ай бұрын
11.20 Hard getting off the booze when you have an alcoholic doctor.😁
@annabanana86253 жыл бұрын
It made rather a mess ... 😬
@kebabtank5 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this, top man. If you have any more of this series or even the follow up in 2003. I' be very grateful. all the best.
@CharlieEdward255 жыл бұрын
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@garypilling19684 жыл бұрын
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
@CharlieEdward254 жыл бұрын
@@garypilling1968 other video ?
@garypilling19684 жыл бұрын
@@CharlieEdward25 sorry you mentioned above you had one of the follow up ones to lifers unless I misread it
@CharlieEdward254 жыл бұрын
@@garypilling1968 yeah i had the latest one its there on my channel but needs a vpn yeah usa i think works
@johnlaslett47933 жыл бұрын
The penal system isn't designed to rehabilitate. It's designed to break. No such thing as reform.
@eyefishinggunkchannel10112 жыл бұрын
i was reformed 100%
@Mangraper2 жыл бұрын
@@eyefishinggunkchannel1011 You reformed you not the prison system
@gurney29316 ай бұрын
Certainly was true, I couldn't tell you about nowadays.
@CymruEmergencyResponderАй бұрын
The Scandinavian prison systems would beg to differ.
@mick26828 күн бұрын
That first lad is scary, the army created a souless monster
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
@moominmay3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
@@moominmay I knew it would bother some people, so I thought I'd explain.
@Neddyfram6 ай бұрын
@@moominmayI think that’s the army tbh, looking at soldiers during the time they have their sleeves exactly the same
@danphillips3730 Жыл бұрын
Joyce is talking herself in to more time here... "I've not changed"
@kevm40355 жыл бұрын
Screws were brutal in the Scrubs in the 80s and early 90s.
@daibennett92244 жыл бұрын
Kevin Murphy all prisons back then was brutal
@dragonfitter4 жыл бұрын
I would imagine when dealing with men as violent as these that brutal would be the best way to keep them in order
@kevm40354 жыл бұрын
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
@alogan55903 жыл бұрын
@@kevm4035 true but shame it doesn't work like that 😕
@nibbagee36402 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming it's just like Scum
@eilrahc__Ай бұрын
It's so very KZfaq that these comments are full of people nostalgicising for a fantasy golden era with a better class of criminal. Have a look at yourselves.
@PopupH88terILoveJuice-iz7sxАй бұрын
I look fine. Have a look at yourself.
@woowah324 күн бұрын
I think you’re the one that needs a reality check. This prison would be half full of imported terrorists now. Sorry to break it to you, the country is NOT in a better place.
@karenwilson95284 ай бұрын
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard. Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
@user-pv9kg9ou1lАй бұрын
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@karenwilson9528Ай бұрын
@@user-pv9kg9ou1l Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
@mjdubs7603Ай бұрын
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
@elastiekeltjeshaar2 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28. Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
@leetlbtАй бұрын
Here's a canny channel about serial killers its a bit different thats for sure (LOLFIELDANDLOVE) The Satanic conspiracy
@PopupH88terILoveJuice-iz7sxАй бұрын
I like the segment from 15:05 to 17:13. It is refreshing to hear someone talk in this way.
@Sameoldfitup2 жыл бұрын
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
@CharlieEdward252 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing sad to hear that 😢
@kebabtank2 жыл бұрын
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
"So how long you been doing a life sentence " . Reply " o week last Friday now "!!! Jesus
@Trek00111 ай бұрын
Sending the guy to the counter for some stamps was actually a rather clever test of honesty
@jimcunningham9975Ай бұрын
The prisons seemed more civilised
@ulfkjell Жыл бұрын
Lifer (1983) Rex Bloomstein / Thames Television
@mattgosling2657Ай бұрын
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
@paulsantini92884 күн бұрын
Try getting a letter from one city to any other for a pound Bet you cannot do it
@shanejohnson18414 жыл бұрын
Am on a life sentence not for murder but to protect the public. My minimum tarrif was 7 years only got out 11 months ago now
@CharlieEdward254 жыл бұрын
Just actually read this how's it going bud must be mad coming out after that long hope u keeping well bro
@joulupukki16073 жыл бұрын
What happened? I mean if u were protectin other ppl how u get so much time
@davechristian7543Ай бұрын
Take me back to t5he 80s anyday as once the 2000s hit everything went to the s hit house. ( world wide that is.
@Seamus196611 күн бұрын
My dad (While taking me to meet his new girlfriend) told me she'd murdered her husband, but was ok. Glad i didn't meet them again..
@TheFirstCalled.60ADАй бұрын
More civilised than most of today's societies.
@kc81815 жыл бұрын
Yes. I think people were a bit stronger. I think stoic is the word. I wonder what happened to these guys. I was nineteen in 82.
@Seamus196611 күн бұрын
I was 15. Wish I was back there now.
@thomaspenman41016 ай бұрын
If all screws were like this guy talking with the inmate prisons would run more smoother there is good screws you know give respect to them
@jamiecoulson1016Ай бұрын
We all know you was the screws favourite con . You was definitely the screws teaboy
@krt37184 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see an update on the people in this.
@CharlieEdward253 жыл бұрын
@boxing fan uk yeah it's here on my channel I'm sure
@Dannydawson5373 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure I’ve seen it it takes you to the 90s and most of these guys are in hospitals and don’t look nothing like they did
@kebabtank2 жыл бұрын
@@Dannydawson537 Yeah, there was an update that was broadcast in 2003, they looked at four who had been released and four who were still inside. And you're right, they all looked nothing like they used to. Prison left it's mark alright.
@Dannydawson5372 жыл бұрын
@@kebabtank hi and the difference in the lads was sad just pumped with medication I was in strange ways late 89s and was a very hard place for a 16 year old
@kebabtank2 жыл бұрын
@@Dannydawson537 Alright mate. Sorry to hear about your stay inside, I just hope that you stayed out and made something of your life.
@SimDeck3 жыл бұрын
The bloke talking at 40:00 plus is not mad. He is articulate, aware and can understand everything he has done.
@quack4372 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the guy he calls bob that helped him is robert maudsley known as Hannibal the cannibal
@SimDeck2 жыл бұрын
@@quack437 I read your comment yesterday and today in our local paper there was a full article about Maudsley. You are right btw.
@quack4372 жыл бұрын
@@SimDeck i was thinking that cus the case sounds similar wee fact although hes called a cannibal he never ate anyone
@supergrahamg2 жыл бұрын
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
@marcp3788 Жыл бұрын
He's a nonce, called David Cheeseman
@Roscoe.P.Coldchain2 жыл бұрын
The siege guy, I want a million pounds and a helicopter, police :: No, Guy, ok a bottle of Pernod then 🤣🤣
@cooldiamondguy3376 Жыл бұрын
So funny
@blacklava4978Ай бұрын
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
@diggintheblueswithaparrot1329Ай бұрын
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
@paulitoLdn23 күн бұрын
That's why it's called doing bird. You're locked in a cage like a bird.
@kingadonis44502 жыл бұрын
That guy who dose art anyone have information about him
@version736ha2 Жыл бұрын
Just what I was going to ask. Interesting guy.
@version736ha2 Жыл бұрын
1:29:30 15p for a carrier bag in 82? Where was it, Harrods?
@mattgosling2657Ай бұрын
Yeah I thought that sounded wrong too, I thought they would have been free in those days.
@johnfused8281Ай бұрын
They sounded all wrong to him as well @@mattgosling2657
@quack4372 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the guy talking at 44 mins about the murder in Broadmoor is talking about robert mauldley who was referred to as bob ..
@bokane19632 жыл бұрын
He is
@BlytheWorld19725 жыл бұрын
did you record this yourself fab quality
@jaycool52855 жыл бұрын
BlytheWorld1972 it’s 1980 dumbass what did you expect?
@maskoff92922 жыл бұрын
@@jaycool5285 😂😂😂
@BlytheWorld19722 жыл бұрын
@@jaycool5285 what are you talking about ya fuck .
@rexterrocks4 жыл бұрын
26.00 Yes, give prisoners rubber dolls to prevent homosexuality haha! Isn't a rubber doll just a posh wank?
@JamesairhvacАй бұрын
Different species doing life in London these days
@tonimarx6405Ай бұрын
Yep - roadmen "Initi though bloodclart"
@karenwilson95284 ай бұрын
Wow! So this guy was with Mordsley when they did the whole 'brain spoon' thing?
@JackBlack-gh5yfАй бұрын
I was in the Scrubs in 1980. It was a hot summer that year, 3 to a cell, 23 hour bang-up.
@Stanly-StudАй бұрын
Must have stunk of piss, shit & sweat 😮
@violinstar5948Ай бұрын
He’s a VERY articulate young Man. Surely he would be better off in a High powered career.
@PRIMO532Ай бұрын
Very clean prison welldone lads
@marcp3788 Жыл бұрын
19:02 Robert Maudsley next to the guy who's talking
@WulfyrАй бұрын
Bloody hell. So it was. Well spotted.
@mjdubs7603Ай бұрын
Well spotted
@fizzyfozbuzz87424 күн бұрын
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
@NeontrifleАй бұрын
Guy near beginning describing how he shot his father in detail, then says he doesn't remember a thing, that he had total amnesia.
@MallymooreАй бұрын
I remember the steel tray's
@edwardodonnell68572 жыл бұрын
So sad really how a persons life can be changed forever because of a serious wrong action.
@gurney29316 ай бұрын
What about their dead victims ? Their lives have also been changed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@craigmuscat6135 жыл бұрын
I wonder when it said average time spent in prison for life is 10 years there is one man who been inside for 30 year, wonder if that was Bronson
@craigmuscat6135 жыл бұрын
jnicemint ahh okay 👍
@burnsy69823 жыл бұрын
Couldn't of been. Charlie was sentenced in '74 this is in '82 he'd of only been inside for 8yrs when this was filmed. ✌️
@nickpn233 жыл бұрын
Probably George Davis (NOT that George Davis) who murdered an officer by running over him in a jeep. I was with him in 1976 and he'd served something like 27 years by then.
@kebabtank2 жыл бұрын
@@nickpn23 Do you know if George Davis was ever released?
@Roscoe.P.Coldchain2 жыл бұрын
He only got 3 years or something for robbery and never came out..
@Bloody_alchemy4 жыл бұрын
Wonder where they are now
@billycasper289Ай бұрын
I'm sure that puff was in a book I read normal parker Parkhurst tails was a staunch man to say hes queer
@gemmafarquhar54792 жыл бұрын
End part ,the fella sounds like red at his parole meeting at end off shawshank film 🤔