Exactly!!!!!

No, there was no biblical revival that took place from finney

Finney was a heretic pelagian and a manipulator. Period. "Not being a calvinist" has nothing to do with it. His views on man, justification, sanctification, sin, and salvation in general were errant and heretical.

God saves regardless of what is preached And who preaches The elect are brought to faith And repentance in his way his time I myself was saved long before I heard any sound doctrine... that came afterwards To grow as a new born babe 1peter2v2! Many conversions are preacher ones and self ones Not of God!

@@angloaust1575 The doctrine that some are selected for salvation and other are doomed for hell is a false lie and false doctrine. For God so loved the world.... Jh 3:16 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again” (2 Cor. 5:14-15; When Paul preached on mars hill in Athens (Acts 17v22) his message was tailored made for the philosophers who were there. If Paul wasnt obedient and preached they would not have heard the Good news... Yes God brings people to repentance and He will use us as His servants and those who will hear will hear God has given man a free choice as did the angels...also as He did with Adam and Eve. Yes He knew everyone in their mothers wombs but like you and me today and tomorrow we have a choice to follow and obey. God rejoices when we obey through faith to choose Him and His ways The Angel's rejoice Lk 15 v10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

The doctrine that some are selected for salvation and other are doomed for hell is a false lie and false doctrine. For God so loved the world.... Jh 3:16 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again” (2 Cor. 5:14-15; When Paul preached on mars hill in Athens (Acts 17v22) his message was tailored made for the philosophers who were there. If Paul wasnt obedient and preached they would not have heard the Good news... Yes God brings people to repentance and He will use us as His servants and those who will hear will hear God has given man a free choice as did the angels...also as He did with Adam and Eve. Yes He knew everyone in their mothers wombs but like you and me today and tomorrow we have a choice to follow and obey. God rejoices when we obey through faith to choose Him and His ways The Angel's rejoice Lk 15 v10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

Adam and eve were made to fall God knew beforehand what would happen However since the fall people are born into sin and only God can bring them out of it Therefore the chosen ones will be brought to faith And repentance as paul was... a chosen vessel Freewill was only given to Adam and eve who had no sin but could sin And sin they did! However the command is to repent John15v16 I have chosen you You have not chosen me Jesus said!

Well said

indeed, thank you sir

Read the description and you'll see where he's going with this.

Whole episode linked in the description

Finney was correct. If you get his book revival lectures and read it for yourself, then you don't need to listen to Calvinists misrepresent him

Charles Finney denied that mankind has a sinful nature inherited from Adam. Rather, Finney said, our sinfulness is the result of moral choices made by each individual. Christ’s death on the cross, according to Finney, was not a payment for sin as much as it was a demonstration that God was serious about keeping the Law. The reformation of a person’s morality is the essence of Christianity, according to Finney. It is the sinner who is RESPONSIBLE for his OWN REGENERATION, THIS CONTRADICTS CHRIST DISCOURSE WITH NICODEMUS. YOU MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE. Charles Finney Systematic Theology Finney said; while the Holy Spirit influences the decision, the choice to be saved is always man’s: “The sinner actually changes, and is therefore himself, in the most proper sense, the author of the change” (“Sinners Bound to Change,” 21-22). Charles Finney is also well-known for teaching the doctrine of Christian perfection or sinless perfection. This doctrine is based on Matthew 5:48 where Jesus says, “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Finney’s sermons on perfection make the argument that God would not ask us to be perfect were it not possible for us to attain perfection. He is careful to delineate the difference between what he calls natural perfection, or God’s “nature, essence, or constitution,” and moral perfection, which is “perfect obedience to the law of God.” Charles Finney declared that “the law of God requires perfect, disinterested, impartial benevolence, love to God and love to our neighbor. It requires that we should be actuated by the same feeling, and to act on the same principles that God acts upon; to leave self out of the question as uniformly as he does, to be as much separated from selfishness as he is; in a word, to be in our measure as perfect as God is. Christianity requires that we should do neither more nor less than the law of God prescribes” (Lectures to Professing Christians, Lecture 19) .Charles Finney Systematic Theology - Lecture 19 - B www.godrules.net/library/systematic/systematic19b.htm Charles Finney’s logic on the subject of Christian perfection seems, at first glance, air-tight. He used reason and the Bible to show how Christian perfection is attainable, necessary, and required by God. But the practical application of this doctrine proves to be trickier than understanding it. Finney himself admitted that there is a “desperate unwillingness” to obey. According to Finney, only when we are truly willing to give up all sin, yielding absolutely to God’s will, can we be “filled with the fullness of God.” But he also maintained that, even when Christians desire this perfection and pray for perfection “with agony,” they may still only think themselves willing to be perfect and may indeed be deceiving themselves as to their true motive. Was Charles Finney correct? Does God really require us to be perfect before we can have full fellowship with Him? The answer lies in understanding Christ’s role in our lives. During the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus also said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (verse 17). Paul also says that “the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). This means that the Law showed us our inability to be perfect and therefore our need for Christ. Only when we are honest with ourselves can we begin to make progress as believers, and part of that honesty is to admit that we are fallen and in desperate need of Christ’s righteousness. “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8-9). Charles Finney recommended that, once saved, people should strive to attain perfection, which they could attain in this life with God’s help. But the Bible makes it clear that the only perfection we can gain was given to us on the cross. We are not only justified but also sanctified by the offering of Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Faith is what saves us and what changes us. Living water flows from the hearts of those who know their need, feel their thirst, and believe totally in God’s power to provide (John 7:37-39). Charles Finney is sometimes called “the father of modern revivalism,” and his impact on Christianity and American society in the 19th century is profound. His books, Lectures on Revivals of Religion (1835) and Lectures on Systematic Theology (1846) were widely circulated and read. He did a great deal of harm to the gospel . His teaching is still a plague in the church today. Before one endorses a church doctrine, one should do a background check on the origin of the doctrine. In most cases it comes from the Finney doctrine in some form

@@DogSoldier1948 Was Charles Finny a false teacher?

Finney was lost

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers To rebuke someone is to criticize him or her sharply. The Greek word most often translated “rebuke” in the New Testament is elegchó. In its fullest sense, elegchó means “to reprimand and convict by exposing (sometimes publicly) a wrong.” There are times when all of us need to be rebuked, and there are times when a believer needs to rebuke another believer. We normally think of a rebuke in a negative sense, but Proverbs 27:5-6 says, “Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.” Paul instructs Titus, as an overseer of the church, to “speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority” (Titus 2:15), implying that all three activities are of equal importance. We know we should always encourage each other and speak the truth (1 Thessalonians 5:11; Ephesians 4:25), but how do we know when to rebuke another believer? Scriptural rebuke begins in the heart. Before we confront anyone about anything, we should first examine our own motives. First Corinthians 16:14 says, “Let everything be done in love.” That includes rebuke. There is a right way and a wrong way to rebuke someone. Wrong rebuking stems from pride, anger, malice, jealousy, or another selfish attitude.

My biggest issue with Arminians is that they are the ones who lacck the understanding that “the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation”. Arminians are the culprits that persist in opening the garage door to man centered liberalism. Have a history lesson on how the Methodists and the Lutherans started, and how they morphed into social justice, seeker friendly cults today. Stop projecting, firend.

It's a church history course. So naturally he's going to talk about what people believed and what he thought about it.

Absolutely!

Cool. So when and where is the next revival?

Finney was a heretic pelagian and a manipulator. Period. "Not being a calvinist" has nothing to do with it. His views on man, justification, sanctification, sin, and salvation in general were errant and heretical.

I totally agree. I normally would recommend Ligonier ministry videos, but this guy GROSSLY distorts Finney's position...and wildly misquotes him.

I came under great conviction reading Finneys autobiography. I like this teacher too. But though Finney gets critcized by many of my heroes, I have never had anyone show me where he goes wrong in his writings. I think they can not grasp what he was saying. I think he is saying overall, from man's perspective we have a date to perform on faith, and doing so with true faith that God wants to honor His name, we can expect the Lord to support our ministry if it is genuine.

Revival is man submitting to the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was sent 2000 years ago and He never left. So more of Him isn’t going to come the lack is on man. But none of this fits into the cave of Calvinist doctrine. I read all about Finney, read his autobiography. He was against the Calvinist doctrine of predestination because He didn’t see it in the Bible and because it makes no sense that Jesus only died for some. Of course he was focused on evangelism, because he saw the need as great - as a Calvinist, no matter what you say, the need isn’t great because if God predestined someone they will be saved. Calvinism is poison and Finney knew it.

@@keith3362 Does the work of the Holy Spirit hinge upon man's will? Isn't predestination all over Holy Writ? Is the Holy Spirit not sovereign? God declaring Jacob have I loved, Esau I have hated! What are you talking when you say Calvin's doctrine of predestination? The doctrine of predestination is God's doctrine not Calvin's! Why doesn't it make sense that Jesus only died for his own, those given to Him by the Father? I would be willing to die for my wife, my children, wouldn't you? We evangelize because our Lord commands us to do so. We do it to plead as dying men to another to come to repentance and believe upon the Christ the Son of God to have eternal life. What is so poisonous about it? Do you not believe in the doctrines of Grace?

@@wetlandweasel God being sovereign means He is free to rule how He wants it doesn’t mean that in His control over all tiny little details He is also in control of mens decisions. God chose to let men be free to self determine their own decisions. If you say He can’t then you don’t believe in Gods sovereignty

@@fredarroyo7429 OK! Does that mean that man' decision can thwart God's will?

@@wetlandweasel God wills that no one perish, so does that mean His Will is going to be accomplished and no one will perish? Why do we pray for His Will to be done if it will always happen anyways, kind of point less right?

Thank God cause those doctrines are from the devil

Yikes!!

Jesus died for your sins doesn’t mean that He paid your sin debt.

@@fredarroyo7429 1 Corinthians 6:20-You were bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

@@unccysammy so bought with a price means Jesus paid your sin debt to you . Why didn’t it say. Your sin debt was paid by Jesus

@@fredarroyo7429 1 John 2:2 He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins-and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.

He denied Jesus as the atonement so......🤷‍♂️

Defenders of Finney always say Calvinists misrepresent him, but offer no counter evidence, not a single quote, sermon, writing. To be fair, Calvinists should do the same when they charge him with certain rejections of standard Evangelical faith too.

I stand corrected www.monergism.com/disturbing-legacy-charles-finney

Finney is dangerous.

The ppl who agree with this comment are covered antinomians who speak like snakes , contradictions out of both sides of their mouth

Amen!

I agree

It really upsets me, the whole thing comes down to the fact that finney was not a calvinist he refuted it because it did not fit the bible teachings and calvinist then and now dismissed everything he did, but I'll ask what the bible says about a man, would we know him by his fruits or his theology, now what were Calvin's fruits whats the record of people that came to God through his ministry he became a Christian pope meaning what ever he said need it to be done in Geneva. He was in accomplice in the death of a jesus only dude, but every calvinist endorse him now a days but not Finney just because he made altars calls I really wonder many a times if some calvinist preachers are even really save!!!!!

@@denmart9842 I agree.

You only admire, respect, and love perfect people because you are perfect! Congratulations!

And this is why your comment is stuck at the Bottom of the comment sections and why the first comment was deleted 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️..you can't even give a source to back up your claims...🙄🙄

I thought he was an abolitionist?

Have you ever wonder why black people had been slaves through many periods of history ?

That is a flat out lie. Back it up or shut up.