He should have checked back if he was intending to fold to a half pot sized raise. Hero's range from V's perspective is going to be a lot of sets and two pairs that he thinks he can pressure out on a scary river card. And if the opponent has gin, like the only hand hero is going to try to value bet to raise on him is going to be sets and straights (and even sets are going to sometimes check back when the gin river hits) Such a leak.

I'm folding. On turn I'm putting opponent on a lot of Tx, JQ, JK hands. On river, none of these hands take this line, and opponent probably shows up with only flushes.

I call but, it depends on how much that other 3500 means to me/him.... if you aren't willing to bet it, dont put it on the table. K9♦️s. Makes a lot of sense tho

I call because his hand is so disguised back boor flush go there and he induced check raise bluff on the river, also thinking back to the donk lead on the turn whats he reppin???? Major clue he don't have nothing just seeing how dude was gone react then he smooth calls with the intent of bluffing on the river. Smh I snap call show me I'm beat. (Shipp it!!!!)

@Poker R P the odds of opponent making back door diamonds goes up a lot when he slides $5k chips out there. You could make the argument he has backdoor diamonds all day long with this line

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@@berdyderg900 Of course! That's a wrecklessness raise unless you have a plan, then a fold on the river with a backdoor flush??? That's a miserable nit!!!

@@sesloajit5185 So why get involved in the hand if a six high flush is not good enough???

@@sesloajit5185 Then why raise there? I don't think it's also ubernit to fold there when you get exactly into this position. You hit your hand about as well as can be expected, short of quads, and you are trying to find a fold? o-0. I am ok with opening here, but the way the hand played, if you are finding a fold there, you should probably fold pre then.

@@sesloajit5185 He bet the river with a low end flush. Bad play.

@@buddy151 that's what I said. I disagree with bart going for value there

He isnt x/r two pair or a set. That's just suicidal. As for straights they should just call because that raise on the turn is almost definitely a diamond draw. And 87dd isnt a x/r value hand when op bets as the only hand that should call is 65dd. I honestly dont know what I wouldve done here.

Agreed. I think it's so hard to to value raise a set here, especially as a check raise. What does that even target that potentially you are losing to that you want to fold out? Straights are going to sigh call, and no flush is ever folding here.

@@ZeraLord straights sigh call and no flush is ever folding? Hero did fold a flush! Also if you’re check raising a set to try and get folds that’s bluffing not value raising. It’s hard to see why someone would turn a set into a bluff though.

@@nicks210684 I was agreeing with the above? Maybe with how deep they were, a straight considers leading out, and making a fold if H raises? He has a flush or a 1 pair/Ad hand.

@@ZeraLord agree, vilain's only bluffs should be with the Ad. That's 3 combos of bluff if we assume he's flatting ATo from the SB.

KdQd 8d7d Qd8d Ad4d also possible, too many value hands to call with 6 high flush, but I agree Ad9d most likely

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@@johnnyolson4824 eliminaye q8d and a4d imo, that should be in sb flatting range pre

He never has those hands the way the hand played out.

Yeh but those guys usually win the pot with as much luck as skill and don't want to hear any critique.

True, but he was also defending his actions when Bart literally says "I have to disagree with you on that one..." and the caller defends his actions, and says "anyways...the turn/river...." just to move the convo forward instead of acknowledging what Bart says if it's contrary to his own thinking.

How much would you bet with Ad5d?

What about AA w the diamond ... the flat on the small is so strange for a pro ... with solvers this days the SB flat range is oriented to a trap maybe

Your right.. and when hero raises him on the turn and he flats it looks to much like Ad9d and villian got sneaky on the river with the check..

Totally agree, vilain is probably lying, he had it obviously

Dont feel bad i flopped a set of jacks with 3 hearts. I bet got raised and called. Then another heart comes guy bets 1200 and i knew he had ace high flush. I folded. 2 other people called and the board pairs would have given me a full house. Guy did flop ace high flush. Just brush it off and move on. Let the past die lol. I flopped quads few hands later and same guy flopped a full house. So i got the money in the end anyway. I would have called that second hand. Dont need to put that on tilt.

@@berdyderg900 even bart didn't know what to do exactly on this hand. The player is unknown it's a call.

@@berdyderg900 play the player is how i look at it. Knowing ranges, equity and position is important to know. You can learn a lot about players in a few orbits. Going with your gut is part of the game. You can know all the math in the world and still be a losing player. I regret many a time not going with my gut. Taking the time to consider everything including your gut is how you make decisions.

the caller seemed to mention that he yet still folded doesn’t make sense

A10 with the ace of diamonds, Q10 with the queen of diamonds. K10 with king of diamonds... If he's very competent, it's a snap call.. oop is going to have alot more flushes in his range than hero. If hero knows that villain knows this, he has to call for equilibrium, or else he can get run over.

@@hugovaz777 if he is very competent he never flats these hands from the sb pre

@@MrQwerty1310 not necessarily, maybe big blind is a fish and he wants him him the pot.. but I can see your point having validity

@@hugovaz777 yeah that could be the case

I mean, honestly, you should probably drop down the ranks if possible if you are playing scarred money. Or just literally net peddle. You certainly shouldn't ever be as deep as this caller was if you are scarred.

I just started playing poker 3 months ago and I’ve lost about $1000. I was down $1500. I usually play the $4-$8 limit in AZ and I’m gonna switch to $8-$16 limit soon but lately if I lose a couple hundred at the small stakes I’ll go to the $2-$3 $300 limit game and I can just limp in and call whatever bet, realize my equity, and win my money back and get out of there. Well yesterday I started with $150 at the $2-$3 table and lost when the board came out QJ10 clubs and I had A clubs Q diamonds. So I bought back in for $300, which I occasionally have to do but so far I’ve won it back, and kept losing. So I’m down $800 at some point cause nothing is going my way and I’ve got $200 left so I knitted up and went to work using everything I’ve learned in the past 3 months and rallied back. That hand that would have been a straight flush happened when I had to tighten up. I think one thing that saved me was when this big dude sat at the table and was literally going all in with $300 on the flop every hand so I capitalized on that and won about $300 from him and rallied back to even and got out of there. I would have stayed but it was 7am and I had to work.

Also, I highly recommend a you tube channel called Finding Equilibrium. It’s about hand analysis

@@aceking5360 the 1/2 game is better then limit. Too many callers in limit and them knowing the max raise allows continuation on chasing draws they wouldnt in no limit where you can bet and charge them to draw. It will also tighten up your own ranges and play your position accordingly.

What Ted said. Limit holdem plays more like Gin than actual poker. People chase all the time, and equity is all sorts of messed up. Sounds like you got coolered a few times. But also make sure you have a good bankroll. 2+2 usually says having 10 max buy ins total should help with whatever level you are in. But while it's always good to learn how to be deep, if you are leaving equity because of "scarred money", then rack up and try again later.

Lol

I don't think so

Strait seems possible depending on the player.

Other than JJ any sets are going to reraise turn and don’t see many people raising river

Totally agree

AdT is the only reasonnable bluff candidat for vilain if he ever flats that hand

What a terrible comment

@@Azar1571 what a terrible reply ! 🤣😂

You’re high.