As a Liverpool fan i love how open-minded the Chelsea fan is.

Loved this debate, thanks for having me. James Redmond is a king! Way I'm feeling at the moment I'm inclined to say the biggest transfer mistake in history is us signing Romelu Iscariot for £100 million!

He may be past it now but Jose went over 9 years without losing at home. 150 games unbeaten. Madness.

How could Rory not even mention Chelsea’s record breaking defense in 04’/05’ as an argument in the first one smh

Finally a good debate. Most of the times it would be one sided with one fan being extremely deluded.

15 goals conceded, 1 loss, 95 points. That side is better than Liverpool’s easily one of the best in premier league history. We was competing against a side who had gone invincible and Man U.

What a debate. How freaking open minded both of them were. Absolutely loved it.

"Why you's laffing for, Ckhres what is you's laughing for" "I'm being seeeerious, i'm being serious" 🤣

Rory wins almost every arguement, simply due to being open minded enough to concede certain smaller points. Refusing every single little point just makes you look too head strong and takes away from your arguement in my opinion

The Lampard and Gerrard debate is always going to be difficult to choose a side. You got one that's a Goal scoring midfielder and you got a midfielder who can do everything in his position. I'd still pick Gerrard but people say Lampard, I can understand

I'm surprised Rory didn't bring up Chelsea only conceding 15 goals during that 2005 season, a record that will never be broken in my opinion.

liverpool fan but if we are being brutally honest he's way off with klopp vs mourinho. Klopp 100% has the potential to achieve what mourinho has and he has created one of the best PL teams/Liverpool teams of all time. But mourinho has done it in every single league and done it with Porto under "klopp conditions" put some respect on mourinhos name man the guys record is a joke. (still klopp to the death)

‘I don’t see mourinho of any era finishing above peps Man City’ he literally won la liga with 100 points when pep had one of the best sides ever. Messi , inesta , xavi , alves , busquets etc

“John Terrys never had a season like VVD” you mean like the season Chelsea conceded 15 goals in 38 games?

This put a smile on me after watching the Wenger-Klopp episode earlier. Gonna see other episodes as well. Great concept!

As a neutral (man United fan,) the 04/05 Chelsea team is arguably the best Premier league team ever, they conceded just 15 goals.... Had a dominant international player/captain in every position, beat a team with the best Premier league player of all time (Henry) and fergusons Manchester United to win the league

As for the Mo Salah debate I think the Chelsea fan has a good point. Salah left Chelsea (at the age of 23) and went to Italy for 3 years or so. Nobody could have for seen the progress he would make in those years to eventually becoming the player he is today. Would Salzburg have let Haaland go for 20 million if they knew he would score 50 odd goals in 50 games for Dortmund?

I wouldn’t say Chelsea losing Salah is the biggest mistake ever because at that time it just wasn’t the right fit for either parties and I believe if salah stayed at Chelsea he wouldn’t be the player he is today, I believe he would be less. Salah needed to move on and gain more experience, learn from others, get more playing time, learn different training techniques through other clubs in order to become the great player he is today.

Depends what you want on your squad, a goal scorer or all round midfielder, me personally, I’d take lampard because he guarantees goals like a world class striker while also connecting the midfield to the attack. And just have defensive or all round midfielders behind him.

I personally am not a football fan, it was never anything I was exposed to as a kid. But this was fascinating to watch and massive respect to Rory for being a gentleman. James was brilliant, but this was a very respectable conversation, and when Rory realised James was right was hilarious!

Best episode yet - no delusion in sight and level headed well thought out arguments. The Chelsea fan conceded on the Salah argument once he heard the other guys points and changed his mind. Kudos to him because I’ve seen fans just blindly back their team regardless of the points being made. Excellent discussion 🤝

James was saying we never got close to the 97 or 99 points tally when before city broke it we had the most points in a season with 95

I need more of these videos at this point I'm just rewatching them

the last question / debate has not aged well at all for the Pool lad

I have to agree with Rory about Salah. Ppl have to understand that it was a difficult transition for him to go from Basel FC to playing in the hardest league with arguably the best team in the country at the time. Mo said it himself that he developed and matured as a player in Italy than he did at Chelsea. With that being said, selling De Bruyne was definitely a mistake.

People forgot just how good the 04/05 and 05/06 Chelsea team was, cech, gallas, carvalho, makalele, lampard, then essien came, Damien duff, robben, Crespo, Drogba, even players like Paulo ferriera. That Chelsea team was massively under rated, people can say mourinho spent so much but he got the best out of a new team straight away it took klopp a couple years and a few windows to get it right

Salah showed the quality his showing right now to Chelsea when he was playing at Basel. During the champions League encounter between Chelsea and Basel he was all over the pitch and was causing us problems. He was thereafter signed.i believe Chelsea should have used the method they used for Thibaut Courtouis sending Salah and KDB on loan and gradually integrate them to the team. Salah scored on his debut against Arsenal in the trashing of Wenger's 1000th game as a manager. So he did have the quality all along. All he needed was a manager to trust him and nurture him and that's where you have to give kudos to Jürgen Klopp.

Rory you also forgot to mention the 04/05 team had 95 points. So his point about Chelsea not getting close to 97 was moot. It was Chelsea's points record for years

Everyone can admit that Salah’s brilliance is a huge shock .. nobody thought he was good at Chelsea and even after his days in Italy we still didn’t see this player at Liverpool today

Salah is definitely not the biggest mistake we’ve made. I don’t think he’d be close to the player he is today without Klopp and that wouldn’t have happened if he never left.

For the Mo Salah debate. We also have to remember that player success is also a product of the system the team runs + the talent around the player etc etc. Chelsea play a very different style of football to Liverpool. And he fits Liverpool's style of play.

This has got to be one of the most heated yet most respectful debate this channel has ever seen.

As a United fan that Chelsea team was out of this world good first time as a United fan I really got worried for Ferguson

In scouse accent “Saudi mane is the best player in the world ”

They both made really good points. Outstanding debate here. The transfer mistake is the most interesting one and the biggest mistake of all time that comes to mind for me is Arsenal selling RVP to Man United.

Best one I've seen. Mature, grown up debate. No Arsenal fans were harmed in the making of this video!

chelsea guy won this debate easily, he was calm and knew what he was talking about...

This Is one of the best LADbible debates I've seen because of James and Rory's acceptance and didn't stay stuck on every single topic like most fans are. E.g: Rory agreed with the Salah topic, James agreed with the John Terry topic. These two are my favorite fan youtubers.

Can't compare them in the same category. Lampard was always more of a number 10, playing up near the striker looking for a goal. Gerrard played many positions over his career but predominantly I'd say he was a box to box number 8. Lampard was a better goalscorer no doubt about it his numbers are mind blowing! But gerrard was a better box to box in terms of tackling, passing, bossing the midfield being a leader. Even by saying that I'll have pissed a Chelsea fan off or two. If i wanted a box to box I'd choose gerrard if I wanted a number 10 or second striker I'd choose lampard.

15:40 No he didnt. Even Jurgen himself said he didnt expect the numbers Salah is producing in an interview. He said it was a massive bonus and not something he was expecting.

The Liverpool team that came second was basically exactly the same team that won it the next year

As a Liverpool fan, I don’t think Salah would have developed into the player he is now if he stayed at Chelsea. No chance of him playing ahead of Hazard in 2014. He would have been wasted there. That being said it would have stopped Liverpool from having the best player in the world.

what an episode brilliant conversation between two level headed lads

Always wanted these 2 in a debate. Class 🔥

James is claiming that Jurgen Klopp was able to predict Salah to become an elite player, but Klopp himself has said he didn't want Salah. The decision to bring him in was done by the club and Klopp just worked with what he had

I kind of agree with Rory about Salah. At the time it wasn’t a mistake because even if he had potential it was always going to be difficult to get into that Chelsea team so the sensible decision from both parties was for him to leave. So I wouldn’t classify it as a “mistake”.

Respect everyone's opinions but Stevie G is different gravy. He was so important to that liverpool side. Wayne rooney even said he is the best English player he played with.

This has got to be the best one in the series, loved the debate 👏🏻

As a Liverpool fan I would say Chelsea letting KDB go is a bigger transfer mistake than letting Salah go. KDB is arguably the best midfielder for the last 5 to 6 years I believe. He is and was a massive key player for Man City in order to win the title. So for me KDB is up there and then maybe Salah at second place and Lukaku twice at third. Buying him for 100 mil is a mistake such as letting him go as a youngster.

Best one yet. Both made some unbelievable points on every question. Football is all about opinions and they bring theirs across very well 👏🏽

Ancelotti and Mourinho are 2 managers Chelsea have had that are clear of Klopp. You could also argue about Benitez (1 UCL, 2 UEL, 2 La Liga's with Valencia), Scolari (2002 World Cup, 2 Libertadores), and Ranieri (of course the PL win with Leicester).

Kevin de Bruyne was a bigger mistake than Salah. Kevin de Bruyne was absolutely ready to be in first 11 but was kicked out by Mourinho because he favoured Oscar. Salah was still young, he had pace but wasn't physically strong to play upfront.

Rory Jennings is so balanced and level headed. Valid, thought through points. The Liverpool fan is insufferable.

This was by far the best episode we've had yet! Two actual level headed fans

James got dusted in this one, all his arguments weren’t good enough to last against Rory when he agreed then gave him a better point after 😂

Im a liverpool fan and i think the chelsea guy was more real! My scouser was really biased, especially saying that klopp is better than mourinho at chelsea

Salah always had an incredible amount of pace and occasional finish on him; was just very raw. Definitely benefitted from going to Italy. Became more complete and clinical. Klopp's style integrates and lets him flourish. De Bruyne is categorically our biggest mistake in the last decade, for sure.

Chelsea 2004-05 side that conceded 15 goals during entire season was mental, Invincibles can be recreated, the side from 2001-02 season that scored in every single game can be recreated(though it's bit hard), even 100+ points can be recreated, but no one will concede less than 15 goals

People talk like team carried Lampard but didn't know how much he has contributed in terms of goal and assist and so many chance creating passes. And some Liverpool or Gerrard fans continue to say that Liverpool was just like one man team as if Gerrard alone was playing all the roles. They forgot torres, Alonso, and so on.

Salah point is silly. Players change. Salah in those systems and at that time could not put in his recent performances. The only way it could be the worst transfer mistake in PL history would be if they let go of him whilst he was arguably the best player in the world.... Which, you know, looks like it might happen at Liverpool this year...

I will always go with Lampard but I can understand why people would choose Gerrard. They are both prem legends

As a neutral, I can say, that the Chelsea team of 2005 is arguably the best team in PL history. United 99 and 08 teams are better than the Liverpool title winning team as they were fighting on all fronts and won the league and CL in the same season, and until City do that, I don't know if they can have a claim to being the best team in PL history

Really enjoyed this video, Great debate.

This is an example of a great debate. Both sides respect each other and go in with an open mind

absolutely obsessed with these 2 debating. am a liverpool supporter so of course james is a legend but also watch rory’s channel on a regular basis. well-played ladbible, set up an awesome back and forth

Rory’s Salah point is actually good to be fair, I kinda get what he means. Salah was shite for Chelsea so they let him go and he found his rhythm slightly at Roma so I get what he’s saying to be fair

While Liverpool's Klopp teams have been all-time premier league teams, the way in which Mourinho's Chelsea in 05 and 06 overcame arguably the two greatest managers in premier league history is incredible. Easily that feat alone is more impressive than any sort of points tally. The competition matters because it's no use saying you're the greatest team when the competition wasn't up to the standard. I'd argue that City solidified their case as one the best teams ever the year after they collected 100 points because they overcame Liverpool's title challenge that season because let's be honest in 17/18 the competition was weak and even if City collected 15 points less they'd have won the league. The pressure was on them to repeat and they did, and so did Mourinho's Chelsea in 06 beating out United again. Competition matters. The argument that a few points is more important than the competition a team faces is not as impressive as beating other all-time teams. That 05 Chelsea team beat out Sir Alex's United side and Wenger's Arsenal coming off their invincible season and there wasn't any doubt about it and they. Liverpool's title winning season came along at a time when the rest of the league was going through rough patches and the only team that could compete was Man City who shit the bed that season. Still thrashed them 4 - 0 that year after giving them a guard of honor and the narrative was that City were still truly the most dominant side coming off that result because they outplayed them. Naturally they came back and showed who's the best team in the prem again this season beating Liverpool again in a close title race. At the end of the day there's no use comparing them because fans are too biased. For style of football and pure dominance on the pitch, Pep's Man City. For the toughest era to win it's Mourinho's back-to-back titles. For the craziest record, the invincibles. Longevity, United's two different three peats. When Liverpool were actually challenged they haven't won. They'd probably have way more titles but that's the nature of the premier league, if you aren't constantly winning beating out the competitors then you can not be the best. If Wenger and Mourinho didn't join then Sir Alex would have had way more titles, but what makes him special is that he eventually overcame both of them.

The Chelsea team of 05 for me (a Chelsea fan) is the best with United 99 and 08 team extremely hot on their heels. Main reason is down to the quality of teams that they were coming up against and football being generally of a higher quality back then.

Frank Lampard is far better in the tackle than Steven Gerrard wtf haha did you see his early years?

Chelseas 05 team conceded only 15 goals. That's no comparison! 97 points will be passed. 15 goals a season......is gonna be super hard!

I like how Jame's last beer position is pretty much that of the ghost goal...

James & Rory should collab more these days. Been almost a year since they've done any videos together, and they have a sweet chemistry. It's very watchable to see them bicker at each other then flirt for a minute then go back to debating again. Cute pair.

Let's just agree that Lampard and Gerrard played in a different team setups with different roles, styles and techniques. The only thing wrong about them was how the FA screwed up both of them by not finding the right manager who could find a way to make them work for England. Lampard was lucky to play at Chelsea as he was surrounded by top players in all positions. Gerrard wasn't so lucky at Liverpool eveb though he had good forwards and midfield partnership, his defence and GK + Manager weren't never good enough. Both so good in their prime.

I don’t think Klopp (maybe I am wrong, possibly) would have guessed Salah would go to score 20+ goals for 5 seasons, I thought he would perform well, maybe score 10-15 in the league per season, but not have the impact that he’s had ever since he arrived at Liverpool. I don’t think it was the worse transfer mistake, because at the time the players in his position were performing quite well, William was really decent at Chelsea and everyone knew Mo had the talent, but lack of minutes cost him his time at Chelsea.

I think because of the way his time ended at Liverpool, we create this false narrative that Gerrard carried Liverpool and was their only good player. Whilst we never played in teams of the quality of Lampard or Scholes, we played with players like Xabi Alonso, Torres, Owen, Sturridge (who was great before injury), Suarez etc.

Love these vids!

The thing people forget, if you win the league by so many points. It doesn't necessarily mean your a better team, I could also mean the other teams are weaker. In all fairness when Liverpool won the league. Most of the top 6 where awful that season

Salah wasn't the biggest mistake, I agree with Rory. Salah wasn't the player he is now even when Liverpool bought him from Roma, he transformed at Liverpool. No one would've predicted his rise even after a good spell with Roma, so Chelsea selling him while winning the league and getting trophies isn't the biggest transfer mistake of all time

From saving people having their faces stolen in Dr who to debating football on ladbible. Life works in mysterious ways and I’m not disappointed 😂

Sometimes I feel they are ridiculous… but when they start arguing I just can’t disagree with any of them… bring more of this..

Liverpool fans act like they have been dominating 1 prem in 31 years

Statisically Lampard was a god in a team that won far more trophies. But lets be real, any team getting either of these players in their pomp was getting a super player

Lampard was a superstar in a squad full of superstars Whilst Gerard was a superstar in a squad full of inconsistency

Love it! also married a Scouser so know trying to argue a point is like talking to someone with an echo going on....no escape.

As a Utd fan I'd even say Gerrard out of the two, he was sensational, a one man army! Lampard was a stunning player also who done what he specialised in perfectly.

The points tally arguement is massively flawed because its relative to the quality of the competition. The Arsenal and United team that competed with Chelsea were much better than the faltering Man City team in 19/20. For God's sake united finished 3rd and that was with Dan James starting most weeks!

Rory is someone i would love to talk football with because he’s level headed n open minded.

We need more of this

This is the best episode yet from a Liverpool fan. Both James and Rory made decent points (unlike deluded Robbie from arsenal) and both of them were able to put me in a conflict

Selling Salah at the time was justified, he was genuinely a very poor footballer. De Bruyne on the other hand showed great promise in the games he played but Mourinho sold him anyway

Jose Mourinho is disrespected way too much man, There is no way klopp is even in the same breath

As a Chelsea supporter it is without a doubt selling Mo salah was the greatest mistake we have made and cost us a few league titles. However the Liverpool kid failed to realise that salah was scoring and assisting 20 plus goals at fiorentina and roma before he came to Liverpool so klopp didn't turn him into a great player but he identified a diamond and helped it sparkle.

Chelsea fan here and I absolutely love how James in the discussions breakthrough to Rory’s mind in that Salah one - but the only flaw here is that, the Liverpool side with 99 points would give our 04/05 side a TOUGH matchup and would be the ‘better’ side. Great video 😂🤝

I respect Rory as he is one of the few football fans on this platform who puts his bias aside the majority of the time

More people need Rorys ability to keep a clear head and listen in a debate. Too many people think the key to debating is to be louder and interrupt. I hate people interrupting in deabtes

Fan of both these gents, loved this!

the disrespect people give to the Invincibles is incredible , I would love to see another team go without a loss with 13 draws again, just sit down people , especially liverpool and city fans

Rory has admitted Gerrard > Lampard plenty of times on the kick off

amzing video both sides with great arguments

I'd be useless arguing for Newcastle, I'd end up agreeing in favour of the opposition. The only things up to press I would argue in favour of Newcastle are Newcastle is the biggest club in the North East, and Alan Shearer is the best goalscorer in Premier League history. There's another debate I would argue which is debatable admittedly. I believe we have the best fans in England.