Imon_Snow are you guys following the explosion that just happened in Russia

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My reaction after being mugged was to laugh about it. Stress gets relieved in funny ways. Nobody rational is going to think you're actually amused! :)

Don't worry about it. You're not laughing when it's really inappropriate. I'm super allergic to annoying reactions, but I'm loving these.

Holy shit. Poor guy. 😔I think him and his wife were newly weds too.

They were, you can find more in Svetlana Alexjevich book. Lyudmila's story is really heartbreaking... Terrible fate.

Let's face it though - first responders tend to help out if there's a big emergency, even if their shift has ended. If he knew his comrades were going in, he'd most likely have gone to join them too.

Thought this might interest you. I too fell in love with their story but from The Final Warning movie in 1991. Unfortunately this movie series relied too heavily of the book Voices From Chernobyl and it is not a factually correct document and the writer took a few liberties. As for Lyudmilla, she did not cause her child to die due to sitting near her husband. I became obsessed with their love story when The Final Warning movie debuted about Chernobyl in the year 91 or 92. (It too is free for viewing here on KZfaq. I contacted Dr. Gayle in 1999 and he informed me that she received her dose of radiation by sitting outside their flat on the balcony all night watching the men battle the fire. Their apartment block was adjacent to the firestation and faced the block 4 off Zavodska Street which is 2.15 miles from the block 4 explosion. Her staying on the balcony all night watching for the men to return eating cookies she was being directly exposed for hours. Then after walking to the hospital and back she walked closer to Yaniv Rail Station and even closer to block 4 at 1.6 miles away from the exploded reactor. Now mind you the red forest inundated with radiation was only 1.1 miles SE of her apartment block Yaniv Rail Station is kind of in the middle of where the smoke plume headed up the countryside. If you pull up Google Maps Terrain you can find Yaniv Rail Station and Zavodska Street just NE of the plant and Just South of Yupiter Building. She stayed there a few more hours before catching the train to Moscow. Upon arriving at Moscow she was reading "hot" with radioactive contamination on her skin, clothes hair... Even her money! They took all of her clothes and she was given a robe and some cheap garments. After being through a decontamination scrubdown they handed her back her contaminated money but everything else was sent to radiation contamination care. She did not obtain a radiation dose from sitting near Vasya. Sadly I think this poor woman to this day believes her actions possibly had something to do with the death of Natashenka but Dr. Gale assured me this is not true. In 2001 I interviewed Dr. Angelina Guskova the female head doctor in Moscow and she confirmed these findings. Lyudmilla was already contaminated before she ever arrived in Moscow. After her husband was decontaminated he was not dangerous to her. The plastic barriers were to keep healthy people with infectious germs on themselves away from the patients because ARS acute radiation sickness patients they were dealing with have had their immune systems destroyed by the radiation. Best Wishes, A Chernobyl nerd. Ref: 9 news AU Chernobyl HBO "Mr Gale said another storyline of the show, which was made by American network HBO and Sky in the UK and based on book, Voices from Chernobyl by Svetlana Alexievich, is even “dangerous”. He said the unborn baby of Jessie Buckleys’s character Lyudmilla Ignatenko, could not have absorbed radiation from its dying father as is claimed. Scientist Ulana Khomyuk, played by Emily Watson, is wrong in the show, when she declares; “The radiation would have killed the mother but the baby absorbed it instead”. “There is the dangerous representation that, because one of the victims was radioactive, his pregnant wife endangered her unborn child by entering his hospital room,” he wrote. “First, as discussed, none of the victims were radioactive, their exposures were almost exclusively external, not internal. “More importantly, risk to a foetus from an exposure like this is infinitesimally small. “I’m amazed the producers didn’t get technical advice from a health physicist or radiobiologist rather than basing much of their screenplay on a novel.”

Horrific circumstances create heroes.

@@lalalarose8197 I mean, most of the people that suffered from this incidents were regular citizens, it ain't exactly fair to consider their death deserved just because they lived in the USSR.

In reality, no one asked these people whether they want to go inside or not. There is an interview on KZfaq. These people in suits simply had an order. At that time, opposing the order was equal to death. Modern Russia applies these methods now. I myself am from Ukraine. And I know, what Soviet power is and what Russia is. These people have no honor, no morality, no regret. Today, Russia is the heir to the Soviet.

@@Katakllizm What a bullshit. Over 600 000 people were volunteers, that IS a fact. From all over USSR. Basically every soviet city had its hero, who'd go to Chernobyl to help, and everybody knew they'd do it as volunteers. My parents personally 've known some of these people. No one forced them, they did id bc they wanted TO DO smth.

@@Alexandra_Indina the fact that you boys still hold on to the USSR when they were a dictatorship that controlled the flow of information is insane

Lol family? friends? dont believe in everything you hear

^ found the KGB spy

@@olegshtolc7245 What does that even mean lol

@@hep_fulla_pep what he has said its ridiculous. in the 80s even if kgb was on you they wouldnt touch your family, not to mention your friends

@@olegshtolc7245 Wait really?

About shoes, not exacly that. She brings him some clothes that he could dressed up when he leave hospital. At the time Chernobyl was evacuated and the only thing shes keep after her husband died was this clothes. No foto, no others keepsakes , just pair of shoes and some shirts. That why some womens got pictures, and this pitty angel got this shoes. The one thing that remind her husband and these years. Pair of shoes.

@@patrykm7342 wtf are you talking about? She said it by herself, that they can't put shoes on him because his legs was like a mess. So she carry this shoes with her.

@@NuclearDragonTwitch why must you curse though?

@@Heru_Iluvatar lmao did you get triggered by an acronym? it's called free speech

Akimov didn't look over the edge. Akimov was in the control room when the explosion happened and later on went with Toptunov to open the valves to allow water into the core to avoid a meltdown, not knowing the reactor no longer existed at this point. The guy that looked over the edge in the first episode was Anatoly Sitnikov, Deputy Chief Operational Engineer operating reactors 1 and 2.

@@smiglo112 ah im sorry, difficult to keep the names straight. Assimed he was the one who looked over the edge since his face fell of so it would be logical to assume he got a particularly intense dosage on his head.

@@mistrants2745 Don't worry, even being Polish (so Slavic myself) sometimes it can be hard to keep track of all the Ukrainian and Russian names in the story. Not to mention writing them properly, which must be horrible for non-Slavs. Still, you're right about Akimov's face "falling off". I honestly feel pity for him, especialy seing as he believed he did everything right until the bitter end. And even more sorry for Sitnikov for being forced to do what he did, though according to his wife he did that because as he said "he knows the plant best".

yeah acute radiation sickness is fucked up, probably the worst way to die, i would honestly prefer be eaten alive from feet to head. I dont remember whats the story but there was a scientist that poisoned himself or herself in america i believe, i think it was a beauty product they were testing with a new additive and it ended up being radioactive, that was before anyone knew anything about radioactive stuff. he or she literally lost their jaw.

There is a point where just because you *can* prolong someone’s life doesn’t mean you *should*. Like I don’t get how people can look at an animal who is suffering and immediately know that they should be put down, but refuse to give that option to humans.

Hahah!

In Russian it actually rhymes.

The thing is it is not really a russian old proverb. It's Stalin's words.

The thirst don't stop on this channel.

I have to admit I was a bit surprised, or disturbed (that might be strong but I can't think of another word) by the "thirst". I'm not hating, I can understand it. I guess it has to do with american culture that equates nudity with sex(altho as I said it's just a guess). As it was depicted, I felt more the "oppressive heat, dirt, unbearable conditions" than the "sexy" vibe. I wasn't at ease, even tho I do appreciate a nice bod, in the right context. I mean, hot construction workers in the beggining of summer naked to work? Nice fantasy, hell yes. Same workers covered in dirt dying in a hole because they have no other choice if several million people are to survive? Gives me shivers in my spine, not my bits.

The one of the left is seeming to enjoy that scene more than she should. Lmao

I'm not sure they were appreciating the booties but the dong's XD

If you google hisashi ouchi, you can find a real photo of someone with this level of radiation poisoning

The photograph purporting to be Hisashi Ouchi is not actually him. It's of a burn victim taken in a hospital in Texas that specializes in treating burns. Ouchi was kept bandaged in medicated gauze at nearly all times, had a mechanical respirator, and a special mechanical bed that gently rocked him to prevent him from developing bed sores.

Voices of Cherbobyl is an oral history, not fact-based or sourced material. Read with caution.

That book is a hard read, but I’m better for having read it

so how about an exhaust fan? instead of blowing into the cave how about sucking out the heat towards outside? just two cents

@@Martyn737 you can't just suck out the heat. You need to suck out warm air which lowers air preassure in the tunnel and sucks cold air back into it. So you still have air current lifting the dust.

@Jerry C You don't need radioactive particles present in the dirt for it to be radioactive

Alpha particles can pass through trillions of atoms before hitting any atom. A solid wall to our eyes is as hollow as a giant sponge to an alpha particle.

I couldn’t imagine that radiated dust in my lungs ugh

Not to mention Lyudmilla Ignatenko accidentally pulled her husband's arm off while trying to lift him out of bed. Yeah, reality was a lot worse than the show, but there's only so much you can show on TV.

Morphine wouldn't work after a while, unfortunately. The chains and arteries split open and rot, preventing proper circulation of blood.

I wonder why the radiation affected him so much but Dyatlov lived til 95

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 If your blood can't circulate then you die.

Considering i'm ..[spoiler]... lover, i was totally uncomfortable with it. i wasn't able to get a long sleep that night

@@Martyn737 I know! You can't help but imagine your own [spoiler] in that situation. (Also, I think they're already over with the series at this point so the spoiler filter is a bit overcautious. Haha)

@@casualpotato44 i lost my eldest dog last year. it breaks your heart like loosing your own child. but if i were to be put in that situation? hell no. i would rather burn trees and mark radiation hot spots than tear up my soul and humanity.

And as we find out in episode 5, they did not follow protocol.

Russia didn't just want to be strong. It wanted to expand and spread its authoritarian Communism.

Tehnically it's Ukraine, not Russia, but then again back them all the former soviet republics were incorporated in the greater Soviet Union and it's easy to make that mistake.

"had to show a strong front and hold secrets, they believed in being strongest nation, they could not show weakness or mistakes." not much change since then

it wasn't Russia, but USSR. Though modern day Russia aren't much different. The show isn't about Russia though.

And realising that every sound in the entire soundtrack, are made of only noises from a decommissioned similar power plant.

I though Alpha and Beta radiation cannot even pass through a sheet of paper and even your bare skin is enough to stop them? Gamma on the other can go further and would take several cm of lead to stop (or several meter of dirt/concrete).

@@remliqa beta can get through paper and skin. Alpha is indeed stopped by that.

@@remliqa Pretty much. Alpha is indeed stopped by paper, cloth or skin (alpha radiation are helium nuclei). Beta is a bit more penetrative. Still, either may cause severe, if superficial burns given enough energy and a large dose. The particles are going to be stopped but the experience might be painful for you. It makes sense to wear clothes if you intend to stay around the radiation for a while. In case of miners, wearing clothes indeed would not have made much of a difference. Sort of. They were underground, with limited supply of air (=dust) and meters or ground protecting them. But! All of this does not work whenever they leave the tunnel. On the surface or near the entrance, they are just as exposed as everyone else. On the other hand, getting the job done faster means they are going to leave the area sooner (in reality, they did not get naked, though there are accounts of some miners taking off some of the clothing). (in places like Pripyat it is not only direct exposure that matters; clothes and masks also protect from radioactive dust sticking to you and getting inside your body)

They won't. 😭 They gonna die

Episode 4 is like “the red wedding” of this show; everyone who’s already seen it just wants to watch the reaction of those who haven’t.

That episode kill me 😢

bees in the what now? Is it because of animals? For me ep.3 is much harder than ep.4.

I concur. From what they have said at the beginning, the next episode will be something of "an ordeal".

They really rub it in deep in the next one.

It's the hand brake.

Joshua Sweetvale that’s actually a good analogy. And like pulling a handbrake in a car can unintentionally lockup the rear wheels and send you into uncontrollable oversteer, AZ-5 unintentionally pushed the core from bad to impossibly worse.

@@01HondaS2kXD It's a good analogy, but not the way you explained it. When you emergency shutdown a commercial reactor running too hot and active it's likely to cause ton of damage. Now in this spesific scenario instead of damaging the fuel rods a bit or causing other downtime, the button acted as a bomb switch. It's like performing an emergency brake in a car, but instead of slowing down it makes you go faster and run into oncoming traffic, straight under the biggest 18-wheeler you can imagine.

No, it's a dumb analogy that only works for this flawed reactor design, in reality the AZ-5 ('SCRAM' in the US and 'TRIP' in the UK) completely shuts down the reactor with no damage, whenever a reactor anywhere is to be shutdown for refuelling or maintenance they use that button to insert all control rods simultaneously to kill the reaction. The reason the flaw here wasn't discovered immediately is because RBMK reactors do not need to be shutdown for refuelling or maintenance and so barring any emergencies the button would only ever be used once in it's lifetime and that would be when the reactor is being decommissioned.

I'm a working man

Actually Tula is located in Siberia (Russia)so those miners were russians,but back then they all were Soviets so

@@user-dw6fk5jr1r Not in Siberia,just 200km south from Moscow.

as a man who is questioning his sexuality im so amused how girls can find them attractive 😊 good for the miners :3

Coal mining is not exactly a job with a future. ;)

@@Quotenwagnerianer A future with a funny, attractive youtuber is a damn good future

@@boskee And who is going to pay the bill when the mine closes in the near future? ;)

@@Quotenwagnerianer Well, youtuber, obviously :D

@@boskee I somehow doubt that a woman who thinks miners/workers are attractive will be very open to the idea of being the breadwinner in the partnership instead of relying on the man. ;)

These two are far too disengaged for The Expanse I think. There is almost no fluff or wasted dialogue in that show. If they miss any of what is said by talking over it, they will be confused as Hell about everything later.

It's worth noting that all the "don't touch" protective measures are to protect the patient and not the other people. If the person survives the radiation they have very weak immune systems, so they need to have sterile areas to recover in.

she, real person, knew. read "voices from chernobyl", hers are the 1st words there

@@sittingnut1 I haven't read the book, but from what I understand all this touching wasn't allowed in real life. The doctors didn't mess around with that. They put it in for drama purposes, kind of like how the helicopter didn't crash due to acute radiation poisoning.

@@TheGerrok i don't want to spoil the reactors, so I won't say more than to say, it was not a question of ignorance as original comment here assumes; she knew what may happen, but she did it anyway.

No, she was warned

I also want to add, why Akimov was not shown. His deterioration was so horrifically bad, I'm glad they did not show it. This is pretty much what I read about him. "I have access to some records under the RSC royal society of chemistry, under symptoms of nuclear disease etc case study of him was there the coroners report was available partially to me he confirmed Akimov's skull was almost completely visible, it was like someone cut his face in half and peeled back the skin. He also attempted to stand up with the help of nurses and the skin on his legs fell down like an over sized sock with muscle and some bone showing. The same happened to his belly/waist region, the reason was largely due to him being overweight. The skin was being torn apart on a cellular level and it couldn't hold all the fat and muscle and hence ripped apart. If not for the morphine he would have been in exceptionally extreme pain but if he was "lucky" and his nerves were the first to go. "

She needed more so she could pull it out when things keep getting worse. Or to hide weapons for toe cutting.

BetaThoughtExperiments if you’re trying to say that 2019 America is like the living nightmare of totalitarian Communist tyranny that was the USSR, then you’re fucking delusional. Just the fact that you’re on KZfaq-that there even IS a KZfaq, or anywhere you can speak your mind-disapproves your insinuation.

Yeah, I'm afraid I found parts of their reaction utterly surreal given the subject matter. Do todays youth take ANYTHING seriously?

Thank you ~