Hey, you leave my illogical ass alone!

@@friendlyspaceninja lmfao

@@friendlyspaceninja HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Its so satanic and cannibalism's I couldn't watch it . Nothing to with Sabrina teen age. Its not meant for teenagers' Also others shows like lucifer Riverdale and are not for teenagers .

@@friendlyspaceninja CAN YOU PLS MENTION WHAT SONG YOU USE IN UR OUTRO it's soooo good

That's another reason I stopped watching, because Salem didn't speak.

Oh no don't do them like that

@@AMV_KINGDOM_mv Oh I will do them like that. They deserve to be trashed.

I thought her cousin was a sort of compromise of that. He can speak and make bad choices as well 😅

The irony of this comment is that Salem does call her out when he's on screen and she fucks up. They Chewbacca him.

as a sa victim who isn't a woman (and is hypersexual), looking at it, holy shit you're right and that hits so close to home

YES!! It could have been so good!!

@@the-postal-dude I feel happy to see someone say they became hypersexual after SA. I have this same reaction, but I have no clue why and I always gett judged for it.

@@RaroHi i honestly wish it wasn't as stigmatized and had more representation that y'know. wasn't extremely antagonizing (i get it, hypersexuality is an issue and can cause bad things but most hypersexual people i met know how to control it) i was going to just say i'm glad you feel a bit better, but it turned into another rant lol

Exactly, I hated how roughly that situation was explored in the show. He should have been met with so much more empathy

I'd fully agree if it wasnt for hilda, ambrose and theo. I don't remember a single moment where Hilda's reactions and actions weren't appropriate except the catholic baptism thing. Ambroses "immaturity" can very easly be explained by the virtue of him spending half of his life inprisoned, besides that weak critique he's easly the best character in the show. And Theo is literally the only reasonable friend Sabrina had during all seasons, and the only good friend she has from the spectrum of us as the watchers.

I do agree everyone else is carried heavly by how charming the actors are. The casting in this show is fantastic and every actor carried out their roles amazingly. Shame for the very poor and non thought out writing

I love the actress Who portrays Lilith, i ADORE her! I think she did a great job

Funny, I'm only now watching the series and just today I told my son I don't know why I'm torturing myself with this show, but I love the characters. They keep doing the dumbest sht, but I can't stop watching to see what they do next. I truly don't understand myself right now.

I had a similar experience. I refuse to watch what I consider bad TV or movies. But this was different, I think the aesthetic was so well done I could get lost in it despite the writing@@mimib323

Kieran Shipka is allergic to cats. Ambrose was written to fill the void of Salem as part of the family.

@@bootybebouncin True, but they could have... I don't know...used a MECHANICAL cat? Like the old sitcom? We're in the modern age, and they can't make a good looking animatronic cat for the allergic actress? Like in the last season? He would have fit the camp themes just fine.

OOH! That's a really good point! I love that!

YES! They did Salem so dirty. I wanted more of him ☹️

@@bootybebouncin There are so many ways to write around that! Ambrose could've been Salem human form before turning into a cat, and he can only be human at the grounds of the house, once out of it, he becomes a cat. Or they could have used the animatronic one, and make it funny and creepy by stating that Salem is actually a dead/taxidermic stuffed animal brought to live by magic.

At least Riverdale is entertainingly bad.

@Carlos Graja right, it stopped being entertainingly bad in s2, some ppl just just like shit bc that mess is not entertaining whatsoever anymore.

Your profile picture is very fitting for this video. That’s the REAL Salem right there.

Correct... Not to mention the studio and team that made this chilling nightmare

two shows that had ok/good starts that were ruined

It reminds me of the gradual change of Villanelle from Killing Eve

I love this show but yeah I agree, season 1 is creepy and disturbing and then by the end of season 4 the writers focused too much on Sabrina’s and Nick relationships instead of the threats 🤦🏻‍♀️

yeah, the Eldritch Horrors seemed more threatening than him

There is a certain problem with shows like this. They always feel they need to incorporate as much of references, gods or monsters into the show, not because it adds to the story, but for the sake of a cheap thrill of the audience saying "I know this one" They never answer how the goddess Hecate, the pagans and eldritch horrors fit into the mythology of the show. They merely add it, without giving an explanation on how it functions. Saying that "This is just magic" or "This is just how it is" does not work when the mythology feels unrealistic and contradictory, because of it.

@@Greendalewitch Ikr. How the Old Ones (Lovecraftian copies) fit into the Christian setup of the series? But heck, even the "witches are devil worshippers" concept is dumb anyway because witches originally were pagans in real life...

@haleylquinton It's both her power and her ultimate downfall. perfectionist idealism that doesn't want to yield to anything or anyone eventually lead to her demise as she finally met something that's beyond her. I see it as one of the better parts of her plot and as something essential to her character

this show has the quintissential tropes of an immature writing team. they can write, but in their own lives they have not grown up

Sooo true. To the point of her being insufferable

Lol his “goat feet” 😂

That was sort of the point, wasn't it? She fed Sabrina bullshit she knew Sabrina would react well to, while actually being completely loyal to the devil.

Lilith is just a parody of Twitter feminists at this point.

That's called being trapped in a abusive relationship

@@safirak7988 that part!

I feel like whenever a show has some biblical themes there has to be a Lilith and most of the times shes just evil and nothing more. Especially in this show she could’ve been so much more. Especially since her biblical counterpart and Sabrina share some important traits

What pissed me off the most about the use of Lilith was how she’s not even in the Bible. She’s only seen in the Old Testament, which has a very different and somewhat opposite definition and view of events in its scripture. Lilith is 100% a thing that belongs to Jewish culture and religion, and culturally appropriating her to fit a stupid Christian narrative is infuriating

@@elisabethschmerzler963 oh god, its not the cultural appropriating thing again...seriously.

@@elisabethschmerzler963 If Lilith is part of the Old Testament, then yeah, she's in the Bible. You can't say she's not in the Bible she's only in the OT?

@@randomwerewolf1099 She’s mentioned solely in the Talmud. Some people don’t know what that is so I just used Old Testament as an inference for Jewish scripture

Salem was easily the best part of the original TV series.

That’s my only explanation for why she died in the end. Her body couldn’t handle it. The magic, the power, the chaos bubbling inside her. It finally became too much.

youre so right i never even thought of that

This.

every media platform butchers Lilith's mythology in general, so that's not a surprise

Yes.

yesssss i was just about to write this but came to check if anyone had already said it! Lilith s so amazing and as a witcho who actually works with lucifer and has casual contact and devotion so lilith, the lore they put behind her is insulting. Lucifer respects lilith SO much. Naming her madam satan is just cringy

A series that caused s0icides to spike, Netflix sends a lot of mixed messages

13 reasons why completely botched its message to the point where it was actually about romanticizing suicide as revenge, school shootings, rape, etc. instead.

That show you reference is actually hugely problematic in it's depiction of suicide (they actively went against general guidelines to depict the correct way of severing arteries that can kill you in seconds - hugely awful decision that makes me furious) so it's not surprising they allow shows to be irresponsible like this lol

Well, Netflix has both 13 reasons why and Bojack horseman, so that tells you something about how different messages and quality you can find on this platform when it comes to serious issue.

@@nanalove3819 Yeah, can't tell if Netflix is committed to pluralism and the diversity of perspectives or if they're committed to controversy and what might sell. Whichever the case, people are tuning in, risking occasional inconsistencies in quality and messaging to stumble across completely satisfying and delightful gems like Bojack. Can't think of a better world than hit or miss, actually, one that avoids the boredom and stagnation (let alone the dangers) of culture's natural tendency to gravitate toward the monolithic.

but which version was more fun for her to never learn a lesson?

@@arthurpendragon81921996 was a sitcom and it’s not horror or dark its actually really good

​@@arthurpendragon8192Melissa Joanne's cause atleast Salem cusses her out that shes just a brat while in CAOS after an episode they forget everythibg.😂

That more condemns the writers than defends them, because the writers in earlier incarnations made it amusing.

Idk if this was mentioned in the video and I could be misinterpreting what you’re saying, but I think Salem can speak and talks to the characters multiple times but we can’t understand. When he first comes to meet Sabrina I think he speaks a line?

At least he's consistent

@@bejo2551 LMFAO

@@bejo2551 the only thing really.

that's equality, babey

@@bejo2551 he consistently can't write consistent characters the irony lol

Oof i forgot about that one, such a waste!

I think about it all the time, it's so frustrating to see potential wasted.

Oh yeah I forgot that was a thing. I was really convinced back then that he would discover some dark family secret that had something to do with the spellmens (Like they killed a relative or his mum) so he would try to kill them all including Sabrina. I really thought he would embrace his dark witch hunter side or at least do something with that info.

Yeah that would've been so cool. :( I would've loved to see more conflict with the humans and the witches. I thought, especially because of what Sabrina did to Tommy, that we'd get a plot around that. It's mind boggling. I would've loved something like that, it would be legitimately awesome.

THIS!!!! And Theo seeing the ghost of their aunt ...I kept waiting for them to be a necromancer

That was the Most charismatic way to portray a devil. Because he should be chasitmatic. He is all about free will and you willingly coming into his arms - only then it counts.

The BEST

why are they still students in school

@@deft0nesgrl_i guess bcs compared to witches and warlocks that are 500+ years in age, they’re quite young, and very inexperienced in their craft. still though, that doesnt explain the weird relationship between subrina, who is barely 16 at the time of meeting nick (or not even), and nick, who is supposedly 50+ years old. idk what it is with ppl who write supernatural/fantasy fiction and placing teenagers in relationships (sexual ones at that) with ppl who look like teenagers but actually arent, but it needs to be studied 100%

@@n1na In the comics, when Edward Spellman came back from the dead, he possessed Harvey who was dating Sabrina at that time. So basically, its pedophilia and incest.

@@n1na Age relativity no longer concerns with ethical/moral grounds as the characters are very old and they have young bodies. It's like saying a 500+ old dude with a 50+ old women is morally wrong, like what? If the argument is that 16 is still too young because she is not 18 yet, remember that in older times 16 years was marriage age which would serve a plot about people from the old age, they come from times this was still the case and they still carry those kind of traditions. Without mentioning that this is a series about debauchery because of Satan, so it is in no way weird those kind of relationships for this series. Another thing to point out is that assuming the inverse is possible as well, lets have a character who is 500+ year old but has the body of a 10 year old, would a consensual relationship with a lets say a 18 year old dude be even possible without raising brows? So when you have this kind of duality, worrying about it it's just a waste of time.

@@marilynman i wholeheartedly disagree, i think this specific phenomenon is a ghastly reflection of the person who wrote it, and considering that Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (a man with a long history of placing teenagers in age inappropriate relationships realistic and unrealistic alike & portraying teenage sexuality onscreen) is one of the main contributors to the writing of CAOS, it is 100% questionable & valid to critique this kind of work in my opinion. this kind of work doesn’t exist in vacuum, someone, a functioning member of society, wrote it. when you look at it from that context, it becomes a lot more jarring. writing what is essentially CP (i’m referring to your 10 year old scenario) and calling it art doesn’t absolve it of what it is & it doesn’t absolve it of criticism.

THIS!!!

I agree with you but as he points out in his video, the other problem is...the characters never really grew out of their flaws. The mistakes they make in S1 are still mistakes they make in S4.

@@chadestioco I definitely agree with you there 😕 there needs to be a balance. Don’t make them a Mary Sue but if they have flaws they need character development also

Omg don't get me started on Hermione 😒

I believe the best female character on TV was Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5. The character knew her primary job, but could be over worked and clunky when she had to do side projects she wasn't familiar with. Her character growth was she became less clunky the more she did the new tasks. For instance she went from diplomacy with a race that was into S&M to convincing an elder race to join the alliance when nobody else was able to talk to them. The second best character is Margo Hansen on the Magicians. She went from being the side chick to high king of Fillory and Fillory II.

CW never fails to dissapoint

@@ww.DuzaFizz Netflix

yesss i was so mad at the ending

I've also seen so many fans justifying it by saying it's just fiction. Fiction or not, it's awful

@@Rikki1616161616 The problem is, fiction doesn't just exist in a vacuum

Which sucks.an Actor worklife can end if they play a shit characters

The 1rst season and most of the 2nd were honestly good... They lost the plot afterwards.

@@tetsudikawakami7787 not true Kristen Stewart still gets jobs so I mean

@@herewegoagain4033 I mean, she's an outlier, but even she and Paterson had to hit the indie film scene for a fair while to regain their credibility.

He goes a little too hard on that idea on occasion. Like when he mentioned that "bad line delivery" is due to the bad script, not due to the actor delivering the line...badly. Uh. No. If the line is delivered horribly, that's on the actor. The sentence itself may be stupid or cliche or nonsense, but it's still the actor saying it. There's no point in defending that. I've only watched 2 of his reviews and already it feels like "writing bad" is one of his go-to points whenver ANY type of critique comes up. And while writing is incredibly important, actors can be at fault, too.

Yes! This is an excellent summation of what was wrong with the show. Casting? Excellent. Set design? Excellent. Wardrobe? Excellent. Make up/special effects? Excellent. Writing? *sad trombone*

Amen to that. That being said, there is nobody in Hollywood these days able to write a story. I'm not even interested in anything coming out for the last few years.

I honestly think that this is the reason CAOS doesn’t get as much hate as some other shows with similar writing as the rest of the production works well

The makeup, not in the magical creatures but in the actors faces

So it's basically the seasons 6-8 of GOT?

that would of been such an awesome concept and could of had some great moments for sabrina as a character. believing she had this control when really the cards were always forced in her favour and she won’t ever have true consequences. could of been amazing but nope!

True that.

But this is a Netflix show, the other 2 archie universe shows are CW

Except Crazy Ex-girlfriend. Although I only watched up to season 3. And Jane the Virgin. Cliche sometimes, yes. But because it's whole gimmick is following telenovela tropes.

@@NVMil agreed with Jane the Virgin (haven't seen Crazy Ex-girlfriend so can't comment), it had it's cheesy/campy moments but overall it was hilarious and is a great parody of Spanish telenovelas

they making a powerpuff girl remake on CW ;-;

True

Michelle Gomez is a marvel in everything (that I’ve seen her in, at least).

that's why the potential was so high :(

If it weren't for Ambrose I would have stopped watching this show a long time ago, honestly wish he had his own spin-off centering around solving magical problems using his immense knowledge and research skills. Other spin-offs Id watch would be a Zelda/Hilda one, a Blackwood one with the Weird Sisters, or a Lilith/Lucifer one. Hell, I'd take a Hilda one with Dr.Cee and their adventures as a couple dealing with magical problems too, even. And that's not to say that I hate Keirnan's acting, I honestly believe she's a super talented actress with a great future, but the Sabrina character is too insufferable for me.

honestly i feel almost if not all the actors were well casted

Wait what’s the third show?? Oh god please don’t tell me he did it again 😭

Nvm it just came up 😭😭

LEEGIIITT

What’s the third world?

Ah right, Katy Keene

How do you fuck up your own source material? 😭

@@ohword9541 I mean to be fair dont quote me but I think there are only like 3 or 4 issues of the chilling adventures of sabrina I read it online when it first came out and waited forever for the 5the issue I think to come out. Idk if the comics picked back up.

@@Kiba151 Damnnn

Legit

There is a saying in Hollywood, about how writers shouldnt adapt their own work on screen. This show will be an example of why. Take notes people.

Lmao, yesss.

I love how ridiculously fitting this is

Stop liking this post, let's keep it with 666 likes 😂

i just came from watching that

The Lucifer show was just as dumb/more so actually. I did love the devil in supernatural. Bellatrix

Me too

Me too, especially when they had so much potential beforehand!

@@trinaq I see you everywhere it looks like we follow the same commentary channels!

@@lilygirllisa Yep, great minds certainly think alike, right?! 😉

me too especially when a show disappoint me too

Dont worry she denosis him in s4

Couldn't agree more

And then she also forgot what caliban did to her and married him. Ma'am, do you have dementia?

Agreed

@@tunafish5462 technecly that was Sabrina Morningstar, a clone of Sabrina who spend way more time with him that Sabrina Spelman. Mayby he was a new man with her but his normal self with others

I rewatched the first season recently and you're completely right!

Well that, and keirnan was apparently allergic to cats, hence why they couldn’t have the real cat on set too much.

@@Miyanoai14 There are hypoallergenic cat breeds out there (the allergies come from a protein in the cats saliva when they lick themselves, not the hairs themselves), so i guess finding one for the filming wouldn't be too hard. Or they could have used a CGI cat, or a puppet cat, since it would have to make it talk anyway. In any case if they really wanted to, there were tons of ways they could have avoided the allergy issue and made the cat an important role, they just weren't interested in that

I agree, I actually thought the same thing too. Ambrose basically IS Salem

And he's black and gay. There was no way the cat could not lose its role these days. Poor cat.

No, I can't excuse bad writing anymore...

Also the fact that he acknowledges that sacrificing himself for her is not worth it already.

The story is called Romeo and Juliette.

@@AlexaOrchid well yes, but Romeo and Juliette was obviously not meant to be a romantic take on being unable to live without your significant other. It was written in a time where every excessive emotion was a huge no go and I would dare to say that ending your life because your loveinterest (supposedly) died is one of the most excessive emotions out there

What's funny is after I saw that ending with Nick all I could think of was this episode of Angel which points out why this idea is horrible

It's not the same but if you want a living sword storyline, the male love interest in the YA fantasy trilogy The Name of The Blade by Zoe Marriott is a living sword/linked to a magic sword. He slept in the sword for thousands of years and then for a couple years before the story starts, he had flashes and dreams of our world so he's kind of familiar with stuff but still a fish out of water. The female main character is the one wielding the sword and they have this mystical connection but also a strong partnership as warriors, it's pretty interesting!

totally agree! The Devil's Sword idea is dope as hell. They could have done so much with it! And since she's a powerful weapon, maybe it could be that she's the only thing capable of taking down the Devil (the Maker destroyed by his own Hand trope). Ugh, I'm also so upset at the wasted potential of this show

They also did the same thing in Supernatural back in the year of our lord 2010 lol. Don't watch the show, it's truly traumatic, but that was a huge part of one of the main characters, although alternatively it was the Sword of Michael, and they're interpreted as being vessels. Honestly, that was so cool but Supernatural was plagued by production issues. I do think Sabrina and Supernatural have a lot in common up to their really bad endings and they abandon the Sword of Michael concept after season 5 and then get it back in 14 and then abandon it again lol.

I love this idea of Sabrina being a holy weapon. Like you said, it deepens her conflicting natures of good and evil. This show wasted so much potential.

Hi, just wanted to add to this, but a way they could have mixed in/justified the “Lucifer’s daughter” plot line would be if, due to his corruption, Lucifer couldn’t wield the sword himself, so he tried to make a champion. Place the sword with the soul, sword is stronger, witch’s soul should get cancelled out, sturdy body of a witch, loyal mind of a holy weapon. Whoops, surprise baptism, free will has entered the chat, got blended into a Holy Witch Smoothie™️ with extra feminism, and now Sabrina can perform exorcisms I hope that makes sense?👉🏽👈🏽

yess that would have been really interesting

I was actually hoping that would happen, since they went far already with the whole path of darkness thing I wanted to see Sabrina act on that dark part of herself that scared her

I don't know how old you are but if you like characters going down a dark villainous path and like to read then I'd give the Young Elites Trilogy a try. It's for YA but I think it's good.

@@jacobstevens7046 Thanks for the recommendation, I've been wanting to read good books like that that actually show it the right way

@@jacobstevens7046 I've no biases against YA if it's decent! Thanks for the rec!

Agreed!

NAILED IT!!

so it turned into My Immortal?

tbh agreed

fighting against the holy 😂😂

I personally loved what I watched of the series, but after she went to the school and I think there was an announcement that it was getting canceled or maybe it was something about Satanist not liking the statue that they used, that I just stopped watching. I'm bad with completion anxiety when it comes to shows and if I know that it is canceled or that it ended, I usually stop where I am at and I think to myself "I'll just finish it another time" and now it's been like almost 10 years since I needed to watch the last episode of United States of Tara.

He was useless 😭 more a prop than a supporting character

Third is Satan being boring

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Satan was so, so hot, though.

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty With boring motivations. I mean, it low key offered the idea that the worst part of being the Devil is the bureaucracy it entails. His greatest power seemed to come from sneakiness.

FACTS OMG 😂

666 likes, so on par.

999 likes

that "acient being that looks like a teenager" is a trope i hate for that reason. Like half the time its just creepy because they'll often end up dating someone old enough to be their great-great-grandchild and the rest of the time they're totally bitches that hasnt matured in centuries. Even if you look 14 that doesnt mean you cant mature past 14.

I was like, "Who says that in real life?" *physical replusion*

Lmao I repressed that line thanks for the painful reminder ☠️

Haha, it was just as cringey when Veronica said it. I remember thinking... they cannot be using that line again.

Someone call Thanos and tell him these characters need to be snapped.

i loved sabrina's face when he said that tho, she was like *cringe*

Maybe it is a metaphor of being in a cult

@@seleneaurea3222 I would believe that if there was any learning from it, but the characters never reflect on anything, never learn, it's all dismissed

@@cinmussi Ah, i never said it was a good written one

XDDD

So, as much as I dislike the show, this makes sense. Those that serve the devil gain a place in hell. Nick however, ended up in the position he was in for directly defying the Devil. At this point, he was no longer a worshipper, but a traitor.

Honestly they piqued at Masquerade

hahaha yeeees! "Uhhhmm, what about singing super hardcore metal in a concert in HELL. Yeah, Sweet child o'mine sounds perfect" XD

You atleast got to s3. I dropped out during s2, when I just got bored.

@@arianalbert I really liked that one but the others were bleh

Worst part of the show 🤢

I just finished reading the How To Survive Camping series on Reddit and it has me thinking what would've happened if, in a "dark" retelling of Sabrina, Salem played a similar role to a character from that series, The Man With A Skull Cup. A somewhat snarky companion/observer that provides occasional commentary and advice but is clearly Not there purely to help Sabrina and isn't above letting her or others get hurt, or hurting her himself, if it furthers his plans. A being that's clearly more than he appears to be, and isn't afraid to remind her that he isn't her friend, she can die at any time and it won't affect him, he's just along for the ride, a higher being observing like a person watching fish in a tank, or a kid watching ants on a sidewalk before he crushes them under his heel. A human could never hope to comprehend his real motives or true nature, and Sabrina better get used to it, because as much as he doesn't need her, she needs him.

Yes! These writers are so obsessed w placing all their shows in high school 😭

Ghost Stories dub

@@sleepythemis I think you would really like death note

Maybe one day or never :/

Smells like Steven Moffat

This is so spot on. I'm sure he's not the only writer out there like this, but he is one of the first I've seen where it's so glaringly obvious that he is not at all as good as he's made to seem. He gets a talented cast, a decent budget and a talented crew, lets them enjoy the excitement of everyone talking about their show for a year, and then they all just get stuck in a world of his bad decisions and everyone joking about how much their show sucks.

Reminds me of how JJ Abrams can come up with really good concepts, but has no idea how to write a middle or end Hell the fact that I can think of so many directors and show runners similar to Roberto shows there is definitely a problem with entertainment today

He has great concepts but never knows how to extend them

@@2cloud22 oh god. Recently rewatched Sherlock and this statement stabbed me right in the soul. Too true, man. Too true.

First two seasons are fine. And incredibly witchy as planned. Then the third and fourth one. It smells a lot like Riverdale. The random song number. They should have stopped at the second one. I was secretly hoping at the third one that they'll recover. But maybe they did. A bitm

It feels like they were trying to make an ironic juxtaposition but it ended up just being unorganized and chaotic 😵‍💫

@@taystanloona6002 sometimes it got so dark it looked like it got scared by itself and had to lighten the mood with a musical number. Ice cream pedo kidnapping and killing children ? We don’t mean it really - here’s some cheerleaders dancing around. Lilith killing her own child so Lucifer can’t use it against her? We don’t mean it - look here’s Satan’s singing contest.

What about Lilith murdering her baby? Think I'm still horrored by thank, and genuinely thought it was a trick but nooooo 😱

@@Natta44 also that. I thought that was a cop-out too! And everyone just forgets about it 😭

And also in the Riverdale universe

Shrek would enjoy that, at least

Did someone say Mulan.

@@mocagami 😅😅😅ahgaga

@@mocagami Still not over the removal of Shang, the addition of some man killing witch, and the existence of a second daughter, that makes Mulans struggles less important, cause spoilers for those people.. >_> her sister gets married, so she brings honor to the family anyway. edit:I forgot about the cgi Chi power

I think that's why I couldn't go on with season 2. She was adamant about not signing the damn book and by the end she does it anyway, I guess just because? So for me that is when it became stupid.

@@jackiearnolds I think that was one of the things that started to take me out of the show too. She was constantly doing it to where if she said she wasn't going to do something in the beginning of the episode, she was going to do it by the end and it was very predictable. I do get that she might have still needed to sign for her powers or something, but they could have made her struggle a little bit more when she realized that is what she had to do, like give a reason why she doesn't want to do it but a reason for her to do it too.

What's even worse, is it doesn't even make since in universe. She signed the book because she would receive powers from satan but its later revealed that shes half angelic (from satan) so she was already born with those powers, where all the other witches have to follow satan to be gifted them (as we see in season 3 when he takes them away)...so why did she need to sign the book to unlock those powers if she was already born with them? It makes no since. It's a huge plot hole. No way they had this planned from the start. Edit: it seems people are a bit confused by my comment, so to clarify- My point isn't that sabrina didnt know, it's that the writters clearly didnt have this planned out or think it through. Sabrina gains powers from signing her name, but later on its revealed shes half angelic and was already born with powers (compared to the witches who have to be gifted them) and yet (again) sabrina gets new powers from signing her name. If she already had anglic powers she wouldn't have needed to sign the book because they would have awakened eventually. She cant already be born with them and also gain them. It doesn't work that way in universe. Yet the show tries to be both and breaks it's own lore

@@starfish4852 She didn't know that at the time. If they had done more with it and made it an agonizing choice to sign away and took us through her process of changing her mind only to find out later that it was unnecessary...that would have been good.

Then the shows completely removes the weight of signing the book because sabrina is literally the daughter of satan, the anti-jesus, and then she just seals lucifer inside of nick or something

I was worry about being name called, so i never said anything about it,, but I also disliked the sexualization. And I wish it was delt with better; same with feminism in the show.

i agree with what yall said and also considering the de facto audience of riverdale seems to be ppl in their early teens I think the sexualization is specially jarring

Exactly!!! 👏🏽

The dissonance of framing! Claiming to be feminist but lingering inappropriately over bodies because the male gaze and sexualization of young girls is actually what's going on and the feminism is a smoke screen.

You dropped this.. 👑

Like... the actors are adults, why can't it be college? Why did they have to pick a high school, or couldn't have Sabrina be turning 18 and the rest of the show be as adults? Oh, because some adult men are creepy as hell? Okay.

That's the main reason why I didn't finish this show I quit during s2 and thank god I did bc the show got worse worse

Yeah in hindsight that was extremely creepy.

Quoting Kennie JD "-A BROODING HOT 25 YEAR-OLD TEENAGER!"

Hollywood has always done this in their movies and shows, like One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, Beverly Hills 90210. That's why they always cast actors in their 20s to play teenagers, partly because of all the sexual things they'd be playing. And I've always found it to be creepy.

when I found out she wanted to marry calbain in season 4 I literally just closed Netflix and stopped watching for like a week. Lady? Ma'am? Do you not learn? Like ever? I know she is supposed to be young and all but I have seen 12 year olds who are more mature than this dumbass.

Honestly, it went from "oh, I am really hopeful she has a satisfying redemption later on", to "she's a lost cause, might as well make her the villain at that point"

I mean honestly I’m not mad towards that idea that well, she is Lucifer’s daughter, she believes she can do anything and get away with it , she is arrogant and she is selfish and a narcissist , that’s the whole Lucifer side of her I think it could have been so cool to actually battle with those two ideas, didn’t she supposedly killed her “evil “ self? That was when I was like “ oh .uhm, that’s stupid” they could have done so much more They could have started seeing things way more on a gray area , THE WHOLE SERIES WAS BLACK OR WHITE

Just the line "I will fix this.. like I always do" BISH YOU'RE THE REASON THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE DONT TELL ME YOURE SO GREAT AT FIXING STUFF

I swear they just throw in some buzzwords and make the women Mary Sue's and think they did a great job, it's so frustrating because it just gives right-wing people fodder for "SJW feminazi media propaganda" rants assuming that we actually approve of these shows/movies either.

@@christmastiger I swear Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa really is the worst writer in television, because I immediately thought of Cheryl Blossom accusing her principal of ""queerphobia"" when he wouldn't let underage students do a sexy performance at a high school talent show...

Huh? I hope people aren't going around saying that Sabrina wasn't a complex character that was constantly making mistakes and learning from them, depending on others to complement her weaknesses. Being naturally talented in one or two areas is not the same thing as being a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. Although it seems that female characters can't even be mildly competent without being accused of being a Mary Sue.

@@christmastiger well it IS exactly that. When writers create "strong" female characters not on their own abilities but just by making all men evil und dump we are even more sexist as the sixties. And even 90% of these "right wing people" have no problems with good written strong female characters but with stupid propaganda. thats the difference between wonder woman and captain marvel

@@yannym4605 have even listen to the video

I don't see that at all! Hilda has a loving a caring relationship with her man. Even Lilith falls in love with Adam because he treats her with love and respect, unlike the OG Adam and unlike Satan, who was beautiful and kind at first, but then turned abusive and cruel towards her. She eventually turns on him, taking what he had promised her from the beginning. The other witches, Hilda and Zelda turn on Satan for being an asshole and begin to worship Lilith. Nick sacrifices himself for Sabrina and the humans of Earth. Theo is a boy and a main character who is beloved and supported by his friends and family. Harvey is a sympathetic character who is given a lot of depth. Ambrose is a hero, but lets Prudence have the role of the action hero when confronting her father instead of jumping in and trying to "save" her. Sabrina has to make choices and take on responsibilities that have nothing to do with the men in her life. She loves them, but she doesn't make every decision based on their opinions, she uses her own judgement, which is sometimes flawed, but what would be the point of watching a show about a 16 year old girl who always makes perfect choices and never messes up? That sounds like a boring ass show to me. I love how a man spends over an hour trashing a show that focuses on imperfect women and diverse men Ambrose/Theo/Robin/Nick, destigmatizes bisexuality, being trans, being non Christian in a world that demonizes non Christians, and also has the good judgement to portray women older than 16 as sexually viable beings (Zelda, Hilda, Lilith) whose vaginas don't clamp shut the second they turn 40. Just because a show has a variety of diverse, strong, female characters doesn't make is "feminist." I doubt you even watched the show. If so, you definitely didn't understand it, which is fine. Nobody has to like everything, but don't accuse it of having a narrative of making the female characters "hate men" when it clearly does not do anything of the sort.

To be fair, quite a few feminists behave exactly like you've described though. It's not exactly an inaccurate portrayal of modern feminism.

@@eno2870 there are definitely some misguided feminists that are resentful and spiteful towards men but that is not the majority. It is a stereotype that the characters in this show fed into. They misrepresented the cause and fed into the “angry man hating feminist” stereotype.

@@eno2870 then that’s just misandry, not feminism

@@sihhannnn crazy how so many people don’t understand what feminism actually is

He literally told on himself on how he views feminism.

Couldn't even pass the Bechdel test. The lowest damn bar.

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 So true!

Bad feminism is still centered around men

Srsl I was like... This is literally a bunch of women fighting over the Dark Lord's dick for at least 2 seasons.

I love musicals to death, but even I think it was out of place 🤷🏽‍♀️

@@ericanair9144 That's because combining Sabrina and musicals is like combining ice cream and cheese. Both are great foods, but they don't go together at all.

@@ericanair9144 Well, and musicals are meant to express emotion. The one good use of a "musical" scene in Sabrina is Masquerade, because it really worked with the tension (emotion) and actually made sense within the story- also it's a one-time thing, it's not like they were singing the whole episode. It's not perfect but that scene was really cool. The lyrics fit well and their voices are rather beautiful. It doesn't work otherwise because there's not a reason for them to sing and it's just weird. There's not so much emotion behind it. Riverdale really misuses music because of this- you sing when speaking no longer expresses how you feel. The plot doesn't fit the music in Riverdale or it has to go entirely out of it's own way to make the songs make sense, and nobody sings because they're so filled with emotion that they have to, it's just because... it's a musical, so why not?

I agree. I couldn’t take it.

Never liked Nick and I always rooted for Harvey

@@npitzer They gave all that to Nick because all the girls were simping for him. It didn't matter that Harvey is the canon boyfriend all they want is bad boy sexy Nick! I felt so bad for Harvey and RAS destroyed him in favor for his own created boy toy!

@@equinoxXIII yeah, honestly most writers tend to fall for the cliches instead of writing better characterization because they believe the fans just watch the show for these obvious tropes, even when it doesn't really make sense to the main character to choose the supposed bad boy. My biggest pet peeve of all is when the writers go out of their way to ruin a good character just because they want their main to end up with the bad boy. Like, they always choose the lazy route, they don't keep everyone well-written and nice and their reasons and actions plausible because it might cause backlash if the main character chooses the bad boy if the good boy is still nice and cool, so they destroy the good guy in order to make the bad boy more appealing and like the obvious/only choice, even when the way they start writing the good boy completely goes against everything that has been established about them so far

​​@@npitzeryeah I'd really love to see more media where people end up with the good choice instead of the super toxic person they're choosing to blindly see the best in. Especially as I've gotten older, found my person and got married, I find myself rooting for boring normal, grounded love interest because I remember how stressful being with Broken Bad boy/girl was.

Yeah, I liked Harvey and I couldn't stand Nick. And I dont get why the writers chose Nick over Harvey. Nick didn't really know who Sabrina is because he loves the idea of her and Harvey knew her. Also... im not a fan of the Roz/Harvey romance. It felt forced and really fake and the worst part is that those two had no chemistry despite the fact that they're dating (at least during the show) also it's kind of messed up if you think about it because Roz knew that Sabrina had a long relationship with him. She knows that talk about Harvey it's awkward for her and yet she still starts dating him without telling her and then Roz expects Sabrina to be okay with it just because??? Roz is a terrible friend now i think about it. And something that i don't understand is: according to the prophecy Roz is supposed to lose her eyesight but she will obtain the gift and on season 2 she has the gift and she still can see.

And of course murdering someone and stealing a baby is way easier if you're not being watched

No one would care if this was an isolated instance, but because it isn't, people are just more likely to complain, even though, as you said, this is the one time when the character's behavior makes sense.

I agree it made sense, but I think it accidentally made sense

She gets more progressive later on. Lol

We have the same default profile pic. Meet me in time square at midnight New Years eve to battle it out. But here’s the catch; it’s in 2012. Figure it out. Be there

Sabrina refuses to become a witch and use the powers of the devil. Also Sabrina uses the powers of the devil to defeat the devil? Idk I quit after the imho lousy season 1 finale

Not gonna lie I totally forgot she was Christian.

@@conormeehan. Hah! And the lettering is the same C & M

Witches power don't come from the devil. It comes from within

In the original Sabrina comics, the back and forth of her dating both Harvey and the warlock guy (can’t remember his name) reflected her being part of both the supernatural and mortal world. There was also another mortal guy and a warlock guy that both wanted to be with her and kept messing with Harvey and the warlock she was dating, and she’d have to solve the mess.

they were supposed to end up together at first but the actors of henry and rosealind started dating and coincidentally the characters started dating which roberto is known to do in riverdale. this pretty much ruined the plot and the potential love triangle.

@@nvfury13 Harvey dies in the first volume tho?

@@19Rena96 ….you think that the original Archie Comics Sabrina has Harvey die… I weep for the brain cells that die every time I have to deal with people this dumb.

I completely agree, the love story between Harvey and Sabrina was essential to the overall story arc, star crossed lovers from different worlds and all of that. It added a level of emotional complexity. When they had Harvey and Roz get together simply because the actors were dating in real life, I lost interest in the show because there is nothing I hate more than show writers catering to the cast and fans instead of staying true to the story. Also whatever the fuck with Roz's storyline and that whole hating witches going blind subplot that got completely dropped, ugh the writing. UGH. This bummed me out again haha.

Same, I so agree, but I don’t like that friendly space ninja talked bad about the last 2 seasons because they were the best ones(besides nick). But, I really think that Sabrina needed to die. It just made the show feel more important and emotional.

Oh I hated their relationship.

I liked them in the earlier part show and was excited for their development but most of S3 and all of 4... Ah baby nah.

10000000000%!!

Say it louder for the people in the back

Exactly!! Salem was just there so there'd be a cat, but in reality Ambrose is literally everything original Salem was, except a cat 🤦‍♀️

Almost like they needed a token hire to check all the boxes for social justice. At the cost of a black character…. Ironic.

For some time my boyfriend had thought that Ambrose is Salem's human form and was very confused at some points in the show before I told him x'd But I liked that reading. It's a shame it's not like that.

i think they cut the budget that way, lots of less money spent in cgi making custom talking cat look good

@@henrikaugustsson4041 I have been saying this for a while. Society dogs every little thing these days, but when writers come up with "woke" characters all we get are shallow shells. It's been so harmful that we have people believe that "white people" really are evil & "men" really are all just selfish pigs. Is that really a healthy way to view life. So in turn we get characters who embody these thoughts. This writer wasn't out of touch by the way. This is reality right now.

Hahahha omg you are right. :D :D Never noticed that!

It was so frustrating when that happened

I Have a theory that was because they were going to go down the calbrina ruling in hell route, but the writers saw the fandom liked Nick more than Callaban so they scraped it. It would explain why season 4 was so weird with the two sabrina things. They wanted to do what they wanted (calbrina in hell) but also wanted to please the fans (nick and the spellmans) like a "got their cake and eat it too" type of thing, but in the end it created this giant mess that no one liked, lol.

I think that the candle just didn't work because she wrote two names on it and her feelings for nick stayed and she just didn't have feelings for Harvey anymore

I thought of that the whole time but I think her love was just to strong for nick but also we’re just ignoring the fact that Harvey still loves Sabrina and they never even acted on it