In contrast to a vertical jump, broad jump also tracks how fast a person can pull their legs up to a squat position from extended.
@cheeks7050Ай бұрын
irrelevant.
@balnazzar10Ай бұрын
@@cheeks7050 How is it irrelevant?
@michaellopez2070Ай бұрын
@@cheeks7050 it’s more relevant for weight lifting. Most lifters can’t actually jump very high.
@alexwilliams5587Ай бұрын
@@cheeks7050extremely important for olympic weightlifting. Especially since "true" or "max" triple extension isn't really necessary, whats most necessary is triple flexion
@cheeks7050Ай бұрын
@@alexwilliams5587 Yes, triple flexion is good
@OneStepBehindd10 күн бұрын
Awesome video, you have nailed why China’s successful Olympic run is not by accident. They literally chose and trained the best gifted kid into an Olympic champion.
@user-nq2sw6sg8q10 күн бұрын
Now then u know. Their political leaders, astronauts etc are aldo chosen in the same like fashion.
@Tryc3Ай бұрын
Genetic dice are rolled+cherrypicked so frequently and carefully in China. It's hard to compete with the raw numbers.
@jayzee316Ай бұрын
then india should have similar results? or least as much naturally talented people given a chance?
@andrewwong2377Ай бұрын
@@jayzee316 India is seeing around 30% of its population in the middle class, with a minimum annual household income of $5,000. In contrast, China has 40% of its population in this category, where a household income of at least $20,000 is considered middle class. India still has 15% of its population living below the poverty line, with an annual income of less than $200. Meanwhile, China's poverty line is set at $350 or less per year, and they have effectively eradicated poverty. India is still developing and i don't think they really plan to allocate significantly to sports anytime soon.
@jayzee316Ай бұрын
@@andrewwong2377 I see, but to be honest, China was winning lots of gold medals even back in the 80-90s when it was in those financial stages. But I can understand not all countries value the olympics vs spending on ending poverty, good luck to India to focus on what's really important.
@adam68756Ай бұрын
it is fair game and mechanism, don't complain Consider all the cheating thing in USA, The last people should complain are Americans.
@user-kc6wz2is5b29 күн бұрын
@andrewwong2377 Thanks for this you are a dying breed ,a man with facts ,logic and reason .Pour yourself a whiskey on my tab ,Cheers 😊
@elomensch9566Ай бұрын
When I was in 4th grade the coach of the local weightliftingteam came to my school and did exacly that. Look at the kids in PE and choose the ones that are mobile and athletic. I was one of the few who got picked and now its my 11th year of weightlifting (21 y/o). Thats how clubs used to get their young athletes in Germany, but I guess times have changed.
@salvadorromero971227 күн бұрын
Times have changed in just ten years? Why have they abandoned a system that worked in 2013? I thought for a second you were telling a story from the old GDR. Real head scratcher.
@elomensch956627 күн бұрын
@@salvadorromero9712 There are still kids at my club, but the quantity and quality is worse. The trainers who picked out children in school are retired. My current coach who picked me is 89 years old now.
@wolololer23 күн бұрын
@@elomensch9566 its your time to start doing the recruiting yourself
@tristanwegner19 күн бұрын
Same happened to me in the mid 90s in Germany, but with Rowing.
@haofan426715 күн бұрын
Guess you live in the eastern part? Some kind of GDR system?
@wcsun505010 күн бұрын
Another thing that needs to be reminded is that this kind of selection is usually made in rural schools and schools in relatively poor areas of China, and rarely in schools in big cities like Beijing and Shanghai. This means that if a child is selected to become a professional athlete, it is likely to be a good option for his life. (Yes, China is a developing country, and we still have more people who are relatively poor)
@Storm415510 күн бұрын
The confusion with age might be between lunar age and Gregorian age. I am a teacher in China, and I don't really come across kids that don't know the year they were born. They occasionally have trouble getting it out in English but they usually know it. They don't generally have sports teams that regularly compete in competitions, the parents will no doubt regard that as a distraction from studies. They will have a basketball tournament or something every now or then, but it will just be internal classes competing against each other, not teams that play every Saturday or against other schools etc.......like we do in the West.
@dancerinmaya68135 күн бұрын
exactly--what you said is more credible: their household registration would be in Gregorian calendar, but the elderly in their family tend to use lunar calendar, so there are often confusions...Also competitive sports are very cruel, very few ppl can make it to the top, then if you devote too much time training, your chance of passing Gaokao to get in a good university is lowered.
@darkcircle899Ай бұрын
Your points about what sports those kids would go to in the U.S. is so accurate. In the U.S. we have kids just like this but they don't go to weightlifting they primarily go to football and basketball if they're not as tall they go to baseball or wrestling, and surprise surprise the U.S. is dominant in those sports. It's a matter of what's popular in your country. Almost my entire family especially the men have been D1 or professional athletes so my mom basically did this to me when I was a kid and wresting was my sport. I started when I was 5 and won a state championship in high school then went on to wrestle in college. If you can recognize what sports kids will be good at and start the training young it makes a huge difference.
@thomasb723715 күн бұрын
China simply doesn't leave weightlifting to chance or rely on hobby lifters to move up the ranks.
@zwen376311 күн бұрын
True. Most people here don't even go to the gym. Its purely a pro sport.
@billyhill56229 күн бұрын
@@zwen3763 Depending where you are in China, I see more younger generations go to the gym. At the end of the day, this reflects the economic development. Only under the circumstance you are well fed can you start thinking about hobby like going to a commercial gym. When you see those new Chinese olympians in Paris this year, you know the country is in a better financial status. We now use wind tunnel to improve swimmers' posture in the water. No way we can imagine this 10 or 20 years ago.
@zhijingchen45637 күн бұрын
I go to gym frequently and quite jacked. But gym bros have no match comparing to competitive lifters. Olympic lifting is a full time job and way more intensive than regular gym training.
@kaiwilliams141Ай бұрын
As someone who isn't physically gifted, in a way this a dream. From childhood, someone can come in and tell you exactly what you'd be good at. With weightlifting I pretty much know I will be average at best and I'm okay with that. I wish I started earlier but there's no way to change that. But I always wonder if there's a sport I was born for (I don't think there is but it's not unusual to wonder if every now and then).
@clarity2115Ай бұрын
This would be AMAZING
@W1LDtracerАй бұрын
In Russia we have some sort of "genetic test" but its pricey and i dont really know, it fake or real)))
@barongerhardtАй бұрын
For most of us it is unlikely. To some degree it is just the numbers game. Millions/billions of people and only one/few can be at the top. As we narrow things down almost anyone can train to 95% of their potential becoming be a very good athlete, but that is still only 70% of the truly gifted, world class champ is capable of.
@ThermolizerАй бұрын
I'm on the opposite side where I was gifted with sporting ability but I would have loved to find the sport I was optimally designed for.
@W1LDtracerАй бұрын
@@Thermolizer you gifterd with WHAT ability?
@lordlee647319 күн бұрын
I never went through this kind of screening. I used to throw sticks to knock down cicada shells from trees and collect them. And I was picked by my elementary school PE coach to train for throwing and later became champion of Beijing in javelin in my high school year. I then came to the States after high school and found out kids in America don’t do javelin here and my javelin career ended. I do CrossFit nowadays, but I’d love to throw a javelin again one day
@Liminghwa10 күн бұрын
During the 2008 Beijing Olympics, NBC and other Western outlets, claimed that several members of the Chinese women's gymnastics team were underage. In response to the controversy, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) launched an investigation into the matter. The Chinese government provided passports and other official documents to prove the gymnasts' ages. After reviewing the evidence, including passports and other official documentation, the FIG and the IOC concluded that the Chinese gymnasts met the age requirement. The investigation found no conclusive evidence that any of the athletes were underage. Many western media did not retract their story. I think it’s because it was done with malicious intent.
@user-ii7xc1ry3xАй бұрын
4:04 hey Zach, regarding this, I remember Mark Rippetoe mentioning that scouters would screen kids for Weightlifting across schools in Old Mother Russia back in the day with a VSJ as a proxy to evaluate athleticism, in a fairly young age. The Russians found out back in the day that if you were to test a bunch of kids say by age of 8 and rank them according to performance, the same bunch would be ranked the very same way during adulthood - meaning there might be a difference during teen years according to how fast you start and finish puberty, but by the end of it the kids that displayed amazing explosiveness will still be amazing in that regard, and below average ones will keep being below average. This is important because explosiveness is one of the main factors for power production and it's almost exclusively genetic, not being able to be developed a whole lot on its own, and more explosive people tend to be more athletic, as well as faster learners, stronger and recover faster from stress/stimulus/injury. It's something that always stuck with me because I found it super interesting. While it makes sense in my head, I 'm unaware of the accuracy of this story/piece of history, but maybe you can dig around or reach out to someone in the WL community and ask them. As an older viewer, I'm aware of your back and forth with Rippetoe, so take it as you will. This sports-history-based content is my favourite, keep up the good work :)
@christianor5501Ай бұрын
I studied sport science and I found something interesting. For example I had a really low ground contact time (drop jump test) and a very good (but not elite) sprint beginning (10-20m). But after that my time drops dramatically and actually gets really bad (13sec at best, "bad" compared to other athletes). The interesting part is that despite low gorund contact time and a somewhat quick sprinting start, my explosiveness on the court/ field, my jumping ability (vertical, broad..) is actually really bad. Like I actually got an A for ground contact time, but barely passed on any jumping test. On the other hand, I am extremely talented in endurance work. I barely have to train to run an okay marathon for example and can easily run a good one with some training. So I kinda wonder how these variances can actually tell a whole story. What if these kids with good jumping abilty don't end up being that explosive where it matters. In basketball for example I know a lot of guys who have insane jumping ability, but barely have a first step, which is crazy.. but it happens. Of course if you do it like the chinese do, you just invite everyone first and the ones that turn out not so good will be left over later. But you might be missing out on some outlier talent, especially with that huge of a population. But Zach already mentioned this. Anyways, I thought I would add this, maybe someone has something smart to say about this. Lastly I also want so say that I also made the same observations as Mark Rippetoe. Yes, those who are genetically more gifted young, will still be when they're old. Which is important for a sport like Oly, where you can't just master some skills like in Basketball (Where you still need to be a top tier athlete of course, but you can make up a lot if you're not in the literal 0,0001%). The point with the faster learning is also something I observed, but I feel like this might some huge selection bias. Usually the less genetically gifted people either don't even try anymore at some point or don't really try that hard after they see that they're athletically inferior. It's like a negative feedback look of sorts. And for the gifted ones it might be a positive one (There's also those kids who don't do anything because they think they don't have to since they're gifted.. but thats a whole different story).
@W1LDtracerАй бұрын
@@christianor5501 explosive in sprint means just first 20 meters, then - elastic(long achilles tendon rules)
@W1LDtracerАй бұрын
@@christianor5501 basketball jumps from run-up is elastic jumps, thay can have very bad explosive power and jump good
@tright342Ай бұрын
@@christianor5501 Most likely your form for sprinting is just bad. A common error is people trying to get quick steps in the beginning but that just shortens the stride and makes it so you aren't properly reaching your max speed. If you changed your form and training so that the first 20m is more patient and focused on getting to a top speed at 40-45 meters instead of trying to win at 20 your overall time would drop. Also you can be "explosive" but what matters more in sprinting is force production. People will think quick steps equals speed but that's not how that works. If a kid really was explosive, a good coach would transfer that for the sport or activity by teaching them how to effectively use it. There is probably a bunch of things wrong with your form that are holding you back before the genetic or talent part is even an issue.
@KrogtheclownАй бұрын
@user-ii7xc1ry3x actually no that's not what they found. Yes they found that all kids that are explosive stay explosive and kids who aren't won't ever be. The mistake they made was they gave the kids that were better earlier more attention and more work and didn't understand exactly that some kids are late developers and those that are late developers are usually your very best athletes but those kids would have been removed by the system by then because they failed to compete at the highest levels. If you've never read the sports Gene by David Epstein you probably would not understand this. Canadian hockey as well as European soccer have both found out that when they have an age cut off with the years difference those older kids actually become better adult players because they get more playing time is youths
@Benzene3686Ай бұрын
That drummer analogy is a very American concept. It is very natural for us to assume that ones beginnings don't guarantee ones outcomes, and that great people can come from disadvantage and from being overlooked.
@user-rt3le3xy6zАй бұрын
When I was in elementary school, traditional wrestling coach in school suddenly came into the classroom and asked big and heavy kids if we would like to wrestle. but this is far more😮
@et522211 күн бұрын
I live in China. Perhaps there was age confusion as people count age differently than in USA, but everyone in China has a registered birthdate. A foreigner asking how old are you, what's you age, when is your birthday, or what year were you born could get a variety of responses.
@user-lf1cv1wd5w10 күн бұрын
哈,確實如此
@randommodnar7141Ай бұрын
13:47 FACTS. I never felt more tired in my life than after swim team practice in high school. Not after working construction, not after getting into weightlifting, not biking 50 miles in the middle of summer. Swimming is no joke
@barongerhardtАй бұрын
Winter break, 20k sessions; I would have to take a moment before trying to lift my arms to the steering wheel.
@user-uw8uy5oe7r11 күн бұрын
Agree.
@liamconverse895010 күн бұрын
Swimming doesn't put as much wear and tear on the body as something like swimming though
@celestat897Ай бұрын
I always feel so honored by you greeting me personally each time you start one of your videos...
@isaactennant1857Ай бұрын
was that kid at around 12:30 just ATG'ing 70kg squats, thats insane
@FlahtortАй бұрын
12:38
@BradleyGibbsАй бұрын
Probably Doesn't take long for a small kid to get that strong though
@isaactennant1857Ай бұрын
@@BradleyGibbs have to disagree in the general, but for these genetic outliers it probably happens super quick for them
@BradleyGibbsАй бұрын
@@isaactennant1857 I don't see what you have the freedom to disagree with there. Children can and do squat well above their bodyweight very quickly, as long as they're eating, sleeping and training well. When I sway "quickly", I mean 6-12 months. This isn't subjective, it's an inescapable fact. This isn't exclusive to genetic outliers.
@leaveme3559Ай бұрын
are they given steroids this early?
@t3e_eАй бұрын
There's so much talk about this system so it's cool to get a behind the scenes view. Thanks for keeping the WL plate spinning for us, you talented mfer. Just got out of training today and reflecting again on the fact that I wouldn't be here throwing weight over my head at 34 if it weren't for you. Gotta hand it to parasocial self education on KZfaq to help me lock in new hyperfixations in my late 20s 😅. Respect, man! 🤘
@woolfel17 күн бұрын
I'm Taiwanese and having a tough life is normal. My dad grew up farming before he left the country side at 13. I grew up in southern california and i can't imagine leaving my parents at 13 and moving to a city by myself. Throughout china's history, children of poor families were often sent to shaolin if they couldn't provide for them. what we consider hard in the US would be considered a piece of cake in China. I'm not saying that is good, but that's just reality. What we consider borderline child abuse in the US is just what you do to survive.
@dancerinmaya68135 күн бұрын
your head is pretty messed up b/c it's China, ever heard of boarding schools in the old continent and in the US, or wherever? Ppl in China go to schools or trainings that could afford them better opportunities or help them realize their potentials, it's not about survival. Obviously you didn't have the chance to go to a boarding school so you won't understand. Borderline child abuse my a+s😅
@dancerinmaya68135 күн бұрын
you don't even know anyone in the US who went to a boarding school? 😅
@gonzayare11 күн бұрын
I someone would have picked me up when I was a child to be a long distance runner, it would have been one of the greatest memories of my childhood. Because once you start training you have another meaningful but fun activity to set goals and improve yourself. It's not the same when you start later in life, without help, just for fun.
@isaacisaac238011 күн бұрын
@12:00; “don’t know their birth year” As far as I know, Chinese, all, have birth certificates, just like us. By the way, excellent explaining, love it.
@alexmacleod9727Ай бұрын
think this is similar to how UK cycling team improved, coaches go to schools with static bikes, and ask kids to have a go... they then take the natural ability kids on for training
@declanwain7581Ай бұрын
12:11 reminds me of a champion AFL player called Dale Thomas. When he registered to play for his local team he didn't know his own birth date so he copied the kid in front of him in the line.
@powderedwaterpuddingАй бұрын
This sort of video is exactly your sweet spot.
@lolbubs11111Ай бұрын
"Rural" Chinese areas having 3-story apartment buildings is pretty wild
@heyheyhophopАй бұрын
It is?
@yadongli3420Ай бұрын
It is actually not a rare thing to find multi-story apartment in rural China. It is kind of a culture/traditional thing. A family can be poor but still spend most of its income in an apartment.
@rustysausage69Ай бұрын
@@heyheyhophoprural in the american sense typically involves vast expanse of [farm]land between homes. Its not uncommon for homes to be miles apart in certain areas of the midwest.
@psylee8687Ай бұрын
Can't tell if you're trying to say it's a leap ahead or backwards
@peterhenderson541327 күн бұрын
@@psylee8687 I think what they're saying is that in rural America or Europe, rural areas are made up pretty much exclusively of single family houses. Seeing apartments in rural areas is just a bit of a shock. Of course China has 1.5 billion people so it makes sense.
@adamiskandar510710 күн бұрын
Each professional sport has so much details to cover. This is just the selection process. Much appreciated.
@NextDoorAthleteАй бұрын
What green screen app do you use for your background? I’m starting a channel under a different account and would appreciate any response. Thanks!
@MrScottyT21Ай бұрын
Great video as always Zack!
@itsRetroRocketАй бұрын
You unlocked a core memory of me having to go through this process as a kid, got filtered hard
@Runner-BoyАй бұрын
I remember being recruited for a sprinting team to later just tear my hamstring 3 times 😂
@davidk6269Ай бұрын
Thank you for this very fascinating video discussion of the Chinese weightlifting selection process!
@wengeance8962Ай бұрын
nice shadow of the erdtree background
@JustifiedRidiculousOlyАй бұрын
Love this coverage, perspective, and the juxtaposition of sports. Hopefully, this dispels the narrative of "China using PEDs". This is why Hampton Morris is so important. He stated that "who is to say China is using PEDs but rather they dedicated their lives to weightlifting," just like how these young children are being selected. Imagine dedicating your life to a sport just to be judged by the international crowd that you are not talented due to some history. How sad is that? But that ends my soap. Thanks, Zack for a great explanation while dispelling any concerns from the viewers before they run to the comments and burn the entire internet.
@acerld51927 күн бұрын
You think elite Chinese lifters don't dope?
@hansschwartz148015 күн бұрын
@@acerld519 they definitely do but do you think morris isn’t doping?
@acerld51915 күн бұрын
@@hansschwartz1480 Don't know anything about him besides the fact he medalled the other day, so I think he's doping, yes.
@hansschwartz148015 күн бұрын
@@acerld519 well Anyone who medals in weightlifting would be scrutinized especially if they were any nationality besides usa and Europe due to politics and state sponsored doping (Americans use a different system, seemingly just as effective)His 170 plus clean and jerk are pretty indicative. If this kid really never used steroids imagine how much he could lift with them? 190 kg ?
@oyo495914 күн бұрын
@@acerld519 doping or not.. them white boys are weak
@vitkysinin1068Ай бұрын
shadow of the erdtree background 👍
@bibbityboopity-ps8yjАй бұрын
Next background world of warcraft auction house in stormwind plz. Also love this video Zack I've always been curious of this process, thanks for sharing.
@kitsch302Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing, was interesting to watch..
@sweetsummershunv9 күн бұрын
Great content and it's made even better by the fact that you have Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree in the background!
@GoldenChildBHАй бұрын
You’re telling me Li Wenwen smashed the broad jump and triple jump? Ain’t no way
@Alex-pn8hl16 күн бұрын
She was probably bigger than the coach
@billmai801111 күн бұрын
maybe she was a little thin girl when she was young.
@WangGanChang13 күн бұрын
I don't know, that elementary school(see the young pioneer scarfs) some pretty nice looking tracks and astroturf (soccer?) fields. I kinda doubt it does not have good sport programs. When I was in elementary school in China, the track is made out of dirt and the field is solid concrete, yet the school has a very competitive volleyball team, a decent ping pong team and a rather bottom of the barrel soccer team in district level compeitions that play about a dozen games a years. However, from I hear from my cousins (I left China in the late 90s), the schools now (in the city at least) are very acedemically fouces and since elementary school to middle school admission is now by location only (simliar to US) and elementary to high school entrance are acedemic testing only, sports (as well as musical talent btw) is no longer a factor. So there is far less interest for parents to drive kids into those fields unless they are going there as a career. Not sure how things are in the rural area, perhaps they are not as acedemically focused and have more room for sports, or perhaps they even more acedemically focused as they need to fight hard to get into the best funnel schools for tier 1 colleges.
@et522211 күн бұрын
great insight
@Konamakona6 күн бұрын
Any where you go in poor rural areas in China the best buildings are schools…… 希望工程(Hope Project) makes sure about it.
@FlahtortАй бұрын
13:08 Funny enough, doing a bodybuilding a proper way seems like generally less damaging and with lover risk of injury.
@thequickwit8174Ай бұрын
Weightlifters just hate bodybuilders. Infact, everyone seems to hate bodybuilders.
@FlahtortАй бұрын
@@thequickwit8174 , sad. :(
@thequickwit8174Ай бұрын
@@Flahtort ikr
@johntay383119 күн бұрын
What the coaches are looking for is Glutes dominant, Long muscle belly insertions/Achilles tendon
@lucascornille6104Ай бұрын
Great video mate!! Had been wondering about the Chinese kids' selection for a while.
@Shooom-or9mkАй бұрын
My man Zack got sent to the shadow lands smh...
@tigahstyleАй бұрын
What I'm noticing with kids these days is they are starting off young and very focused in their strength sport. This is why we are seeing sub and near 20-somethings breaking world records and moving insane weight more and more. You got kids like Hampton and Olivia comin up. Hopefully they are a glimpse of the future come-up for American weightlifting.
@Daniel-qr4cs21 күн бұрын
They have done this for hundreds of years in China, with kung fu . They will start them at around 5 years old .
@walhdamaskus240811 күн бұрын
What does she mean by alot of these school dont have a sport program while those kids selection just happened on their school sport ground?
@DaddyBear20510 күн бұрын
Do not believe that woman, real Chinese does not speak that kind of English 😂
@Coach_BigMacАй бұрын
If there were weightlifting scholarships at major universities and now NIL benefits, you'd see a rapid explosion in weightlifting interests in this country. I'm a football and S&C coach at a title IX school in Las Vegas. I have kids power cleaning 225 as freshman. Easily dunking a basketball since 6th-7th grade. Kids running 12 second 100 meter dashes. We have freaks of nature in this country that goes unnoticed.
@Hirooshii1Ай бұрын
The lady at the end talks about the parents worrying about the hard work with olympic lifting for your kid and rather see them do swimming or ping pong, i hope those same parents have those worries for being scouted for gymnasts. Their are videos out their of how brutal chinese gymnasts get trained from an early age, its absolutely mental what they do to those kids, i know its this whole, having a ticket out of a hard life, but damn, the training they force on these kids is brutal.
@barongerhardtАй бұрын
It is never a ticket out of a hard life. Just a different kind of hard.
@deppdeng321928 күн бұрын
And PingPong is a much harder path than Weightlifting in China, you have to compete with insane talents and hard work won't make a difference because those talented work just as hard if not harder. You can be the best of the best of your province and then you meet say FanZhendong and couldn't even score 5 points, imagine the mental blow.
@wxxcable12 күн бұрын
There’s no free lunch. The world champions or elite athletes, they pay the prices
@someone19498 күн бұрын
Do you think other countries dont do this too? where do you think Gold medals come from? This is much better than playing games in the basement everyday, although there are injuries and mental concerns, in the end the benefits are insane because you get showered with riches if u win gold for China
@flysmask12 күн бұрын
I don't know about the age thing. I personally know a Chinese who still looked under 12 at 18 years old. She just genuinely looked way to young. Not just Chinese, a lot of Asians, they seem to have late puberty or just look really young, until bam they look old.
@HerMan-ih6xj11 күн бұрын
Your feeling is correct. In the eyes of East Asians, Westerners develop very early and age very early. An 18-year-old East Asian is about the same as a 12-year-old Westerner.
@bigslacker666Ай бұрын
Scadutree in the background gets bonus points fo sho!
@Itskal36 күн бұрын
In elementary school in the US, they used to test us out for musical instruments. I want to be a smexamaphone player but my lungs and breathing were to weak so they downgrade me to the triangle percussion.
@christopherkim839113 күн бұрын
Regarding the age issue at 12:00 and being too young to compete…that was for gymnastics and occurred at the 2008 Olympics.
@repath1Ай бұрын
Dong Fangxiao and He Kexin in the 2000 and 2008 Olympics respectively
@gamemaker12348 күн бұрын
Is that shadow of the erdtree in the background?
@gchollickАй бұрын
the chinese system is the same as what the soviets and east germans had, lots of selection at a very early age, and offers of specialized schooling, travel, etc. it's all designed to further the country's showing on the world stage. in sports like weightlifting, we were never able to compete against the soviets because of how deep their talent pool was. same goes for the chinese; i bet our best oly lifters couldn't hang with their top 100 lifters. in track and swimming we do better because we have a natural talent pool. i also think the chinese recruiting is done more in the rural areas, as kids from these regions are more used to physical labor in the form of farm work; city kids are usually softer.
@treasurewuji8740Ай бұрын
City parents are gonna fight the coaches LOL.
@benarthurhuzz466413 күн бұрын
Yea I saw a video of pan zhanle hometown in a video 😂
@mattxp3389Ай бұрын
if you'd like to talk more to kids/parents of kids in China's olypmic training system let me know. I live and work in Shenzhen and my coach's son is training in the system and we regularly have in system kids train with us at his box when they're not in their school.
@stephanottawa7890Ай бұрын
Is there more? Thanks, Zack.
@donvongprachanh14849 күн бұрын
Very interesting with good info 👍
@tackywacky99Ай бұрын
hard work beats genetics normally. but not when you have the genetics and also work hard. your ceiling for growth is just that much higher
@zztissue6479Ай бұрын
Just wanted to add two things: 1. A major criteria in the selection process is limb symmetry. She was checking for arm/leg length discrepancies. 2. A poor ass rural place in China still looks safer than a poor ass place in the US smh
@michaelgammage4524Ай бұрын
Definitely a controversy with some of their female gymnast looking way too young. Wouldn't be surprised if they used puberty blockers on them.
@BGeezy4sheezyАй бұрын
I think it’s just caloric restriction combined with super heavy training. If you don’t have enough body fat and extra calories, you don’t really develop
@VeteranVandalАй бұрын
It's really easy to make a person be very small with caloric intake. Compare the average height of the Dutch in the last 2 centuries. Of course, the Dutch had the genes to be tall, but without the food, they never got tall. That's somewhat general for humans of all ethnicities.
@adam68756Ай бұрын
because your athletes injecting too many drugs that's why they look old
@danubis07715 күн бұрын
Google eteri tutberidze, Russian figure skating coach , she has a similar program where a 15 year old in the Tokyo 2020 olympics got caught for doping
@OyamanosoloАй бұрын
In many places in Africa a lot of people also don't know their age. Cultural difference as this is not an important information to them, they don't celebrate birthdays, etc. Age is just important to us because we decided to link it to certain periods à our life (voting rights, driving, drinking, etc.)
@BGeezy4sheezyАй бұрын
I’m American, and think the obsession with birthdays is kind of crazy. At my work, people take the day off on their birthdays. I understand the need for record keeping, but I think the African cultural idea about birthdays is better.
@badart3204Ай бұрын
@@BGeezy4sheezyAge is a very good gauge for mental maturity on average. If you did it just on physique you are gonna treat some 12 yo’s like adults and that isn’t right. People taking off work for birthdays is weird though and isn’t very common in the US.
@barongerhardtАй бұрын
The way the phrased it was, that the kids didn't know what year they were born. I think the same could be said of many young americans. They know how old they are, their birth day, but not their birth year. Strangely the psychological disassociation of the two continues into adulthood, but flips. Then it becomes "rude" to ask someones their age and many won't answer, but the same person will freely and proudly announce what year they were born.
@kevinburke1325Ай бұрын
Imagine thinking celebrating a birthday and taking days off of work to celebrate is weird. I think not celebrating is sad.
@mizravenkustomsАй бұрын
@@kevinburke1325I’m American and I think it’s weird unless you’re a little kid or there’s a milestone like driving at 16. It’s just another day I’m not that special 🤷🏻♀️
@Jake-pz7oiАй бұрын
Whiplash is a masterpiece of a movie. In my top 10 for sure. And I totally agree with the point you made in reference. Hard work and determination always beats out talent when talent doesn’t want to work hard.
@AvenEngineerАй бұрын
Olympic Weightlifting is such an oddly specific thing to select children for by the tens of thousands. Seems to me far too much sacrifice for the reward of a trophy, if they're lucky. Be interesting to know how much the CCP spends per Olympic medal earned, and what they feel is the return on that investment.
@2cloudto2o36Ай бұрын
To maximize their number of medals, China choose specific olympic sports to invest in. They choose their sports based on characteristics like "unpopular", "skill oriented".
@BGeezy4sheezyАй бұрын
Olympic excellence is still seen by the Chinese government as a way to project power and build international prestige. It’s no surprise that typically the best weightlifters come from formerly communist countries, who invested in certain sports as basically part of the Cold War
@VeteranVandalАй бұрын
Probably the return on investment isn't on their minds. They just focus on winning, and if they can't, they aren't gonna even start trying.
@SciopioAfricanusАй бұрын
They use the Soviet screening selection process. and the Soviets were OGs at this
@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jwАй бұрын
A chance to escape poverty ? Sign me up
@rugbyboy9964Ай бұрын
A sibling dated a Chinese ballerina, and the abuse that she had witnessed was horrifying. Also, internal bullying was prevalent. These are kids that come from nothing. So they see competition as an obstacle that prevents their family from eating.
@AlTaJr6112 күн бұрын
I saw a documentary a long time ago about the China selection process for Diving which China have dominated in the Olympics since 2000, The youngest winner was Fu Mngxia who won the 1992 Barcelona Olympics 10m Platform Gold medal at 13 years old. She became the only the 4th Diver to win 4 Gold Medals. Their newest star Quan Hongchan is already a 3 time Olympic Gold Medalist at the age of 17yo. She won her 1st Gold in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics at age 14yo and repeated again 2024 Paris Olympics. The 2020 Olympics was actually held in 2021 because of the Pandemic, If it had been held in 2020 she would not have been eligible at 13yo.The age was changed to 14yo for eligibility. It does seem that the Chinese Sports System recruits their Top Athletic Prospects from Rural usually Agricultural areas. They also have a Secondary Sport that a child is switched to if it is found that they might not work out for their first assigned sport.. Miss Fu was originally tapped for Gymnastics but it was judged she wasn't flexible enough and was switched to Diving at 9 or 10yo.
@KrogtheclownАй бұрын
no they wouldn't be Basketball players, BB players have the longest arms and legs for any sport and weight lifting requires shorter arms and legs for your height. So if you find a kid that can jump with short legs they would becomes good Olympic lifters, many Asians and Europeans have that type of body. If you have longer arms and legs and can jump then football basketball and track is gonna be good for you.
@squatcurldeadlift7346Ай бұрын
awesome video Zack
@hurricanehank1217Ай бұрын
Cuba has the same kind of program with their boxing culture
@SciopioAfricanusАй бұрын
Its all the Soviet legacy for sport selection. You'll find the same processes in all countries that had some Soviet connection and didn't destroy it.
@alvaroalfaro94786 күн бұрын
Without looking... I'm guessing the first thing they look at body proportions. Most important is long torso to short leg length and short arms.
@benjaminmiller3075Ай бұрын
I think there are some studies saying athletic potential is set/revealed young. I thought it was 13 but may be younger
@pannonianfit1582Ай бұрын
also not knowing their age benefits sports clubs in junior categories where they set great results with basically senior athletes against teens, I know soccer situation in europe where the clubs bring really talented kids who look much older then their peers but once they reach adulthood they dissappear
@cheapR1Ай бұрын
Reminds me a lot of American sports. The evaluation is similar to basketball in a few ways? Rich Paul said in 2 minutes he knows if a kid has NBA talent or not. As for late bloomers I guess it accounts for
@badart3204Ай бұрын
You want short legs, long torso, and long arms specifically for wrestling. So it’s kinda a niche bodytype resembling a gorilla lol
@jyashinАй бұрын
Barkley wasn't specialized for basketball, but he was a very good athlete very early on. These late bloomers have always been good athletically, they just needed to meet the specialization markers. Michael Jordan played baseball, Giannis Antetekounmpo played soccer, Shannon Sharpe played basketball, and so on. Since weightlifting actually favors shorter appendages, there probably won't be a "late bloomer". If anything, somebody getting a sudden growth spurt would probably be a bad thing.
@yangzhwo977912 күн бұрын
Take a look at that playground and the track condition, can you believe that the school doesn't have sport programs for kids? Also, no lights in that rural? You are kidding me! I bet you can't find a place in China without electricity.
@celo_gutierrezАй бұрын
@Zachtelander have you read Chinese Weightlifting: Technical Mastery and Training by Manuel Buitrago, PhD? Great book analyzing the whole system. The intro and Chapter 19 go into depth regarding the selection process. Highly recommend.
@LexthebarbarianАй бұрын
Reminds me a bit of Spartas Agoge.
@moritzwagner433220 күн бұрын
Have a family history of weightlifters. I would have not passed those tests as a child, I was so shy and uncoordinated.
@rather-reverendАй бұрын
Is there a link to original video? I seem to have missed it.
@snoopertrooper4468Ай бұрын
4:08 phenomenon reminds me clarence, wasnt the strongest or fastest kid. As soon as he touches a weight he skyrockets into the stratosphere and left earh behind
@user-qx3xc3cn1pАй бұрын
These things are why the cheines are going to start dominate the olympics and sports in general , they have inaf kids to do exactly the same selection proses on every sport
@exoria10989 күн бұрын
I thought it'd be a vertical jump but ill give myself half a point for guessing it was a jump at all
@yian92266 күн бұрын
Usually the ability on either are correlated
@insurrectionist5099Ай бұрын
Ya boi Telly def been playing Shadow of the Erdtree
@liamconverse895010 күн бұрын
This reminds me of that movie Soldier with Kurt Russell
@mechannel70467 күн бұрын
13:40 every sport is brutal at the elite level. So true!
@GusativoАй бұрын
4:08 well, yeah. All late bloomers like myself would be wrecked in this system. I guess they have so much human capital to work with that sacrificing them is relatively inconsequential in the great scheme of things. I mean the Chinese team consistently puts up dominating performances regardless of trying to select late bloomers anyways. It's a sad realization because of the human element in this - talent going to waste -, but from an economical point of view it is pretty darn efficient.
@hyeso2 күн бұрын
on 12:10 i guess you were speaking about ice skating and gymnastics for girls because in this sports when you are very young(12-15) its much easier to do some hard elements which are just unavailable for 17-18 and up girls even though they are doing sport for 10+ years
@JC-ji1hpАй бұрын
The credit music was dope. What’s it called
@JayfigermanyАй бұрын
It's music from donkey kong games I think :D
@harrison3910Ай бұрын
Good to know I wouldn’t have been selected
@ryu-ken24 күн бұрын
This was super interesting
@soviet_genetics8 күн бұрын
very interesting video, dude
@gammalife7510Ай бұрын
Where can I watch the video?
@zacktelanderАй бұрын
At 1:45 I explain where to find it. It’s on instagram
@jeffwilliams7054Ай бұрын
Thank you
@ranx907813 күн бұрын
It’s called a try out. You are good, you join the team. Well unless you don’t want to. No big deal.
@firstdonutsАй бұрын
sir i just have to ask. Are you an Elden Ring fan?
@scottessery100Ай бұрын
Well …. Your born a weight lifter 🏋️♀️ Got it
@gwynbleidd449413 күн бұрын
Elden Ring background = Automatic like
@Davis.smith.weightliftingАй бұрын
The depth is absurd. Remember Lu Daylin that was supposed to take over for Lu xaojun and did all those absurd snatches? It’s been several years since we heard from him and he snatched over 180…
@Sophia-ox7tx10 күн бұрын
Don't know when this video was took, but 11:30 that said "many of them don't know their birth" is incorrect. The Chinese government has a very strict control over registered residence, one more or one less, and one more day or one less day must be registered clearly, without any mistakes. The Chinese is not like Indian where nothing is registered.
@antman767323 күн бұрын
Being physically gifted is boring. I got 2,3m in broad jumping. Cannot remember how old I was exactly, but I won. Winning in sprinting, long jumping and arm wrestling for no reason at all isn’t satisfying. I rather compete mentally, where everyone is on more even ground.
@paullatter1604Ай бұрын
In High School we had a very good swim team. My senior year we had two freshmen who were under 13 national champions. One was on the 1980 Olympic Team the other was an above average high school swimmer. So at a young age you can find some talent, but let’s look at how many never go anywhere?