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I love how Derek refuses to speculate on things he hasn't spend days researching. People who have the wisdom to stay in their lane of knowledge are so rare.

If you combine both of their facial hair patterns, you get a full beard

That was the funniest image I got in my head of WADA guys in lab coats parachuting into a country with piss cups 😂

Lu must have forgotten the nine ancestral tenets.

The clip we’ve all been waiting for, amazing stuff Zack

So weird to see Derek not in front his woodshed, glad ZT could coax him out

"Are there drugs available that could get around a test? Asking purely hypothetically of course" - ZT at his biggest

"It's weightlifting, everyone is on drugs. It's just they are never caught." That's a metric shit ton of truth right there. Could just as well be said; it's professional sports, everyone is on drugs. One problem with any drug testing regimen is how easy it is to manipulate against small or unpopular countries while the countries that hold power on the federations get away just about anything.

“Our roided up guy, beat your roided up guy.”

Interesting discussion, thanks for sharing this man! God bless :)

As someone doing a master in analytical chemistry, its very interesting to hear these kinds of discussions. If you have a big enough lab team you could test everyone, but this costs a lot of manpower and a lot of money. In addition to this, there is also problems in hospital labs with determination of different normally present steroids in humans with off the shelve machines and method from big pharmacutical companies, so even if you could test everyone with a test that costs less to run you're still going to have so much problems with detection limits, cross reactivity and general selectivity of your tests

New camera angle making Zack look like an absolute beefcake

Lu Xiaojun is competing at 73kg for the 2024 Paris Olympics, since his prior weight class of 81kg won't be held in Paris. Thus why he lost a lot of weight first before beginning to train again.

What's really needed is some channel that lets Americans directly talk with Chinese citizens, and network to those in the appropriate fields in the know there. Cuz otherwise, the communication gap is so large that any talk about China here is basically largely raw speculation like a Bigfoot channel...

DEREK is breaking the KZfaq Algorithm 👍

"Is winstrol ever even supposed to be in your body, even in micro amounts?" Jon Jones has entered the chat with picograms of turinabol in his system.

I'm not Lu

I wish Derek will do a whole video regarding women’s weightlifting, professional competitors, fitness in general and supplements. Long term effects of synthetic enhancement drugs, androgyny, etc. Also HRT, menopause, creatine, etc. The importance of women’s weight training from HS up until your 80’s. The key factors in our longevity. The WHOLE enchilada. Love you Derek. ❤

Derek doing a podcast press run to promote exposing the liver king is insane yo😭 ( liver king deserved exposure tho)

Not the collab I was expecting, but a collab I am super happy with!

based on doping failed test most of the lifters were found to be using Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron and Stanozolol or in common terms turinabol and winstrol although we know they use multiple drugs in their cycle rotation

Liked the outro art

Zack out here asking the real questions and sneakily taking notes cause he wants his team to win medals 🤣

It’s like every question Zack Asks he has a spreadsheet of variables ready

Peeled out of his tree 🌴 😂 And diced to the socks 🧦 👌

Very fitting that Derek streamlined his interview on the China weightlifting team by speaking Chinese.

Less dates more on my plate

For the algo gainz

The sport i played as a minor started randomly test athletes at the age of 15 Now I grew up in Sweden we have pretty high standard for doping tests in sports

atta baby, way to go zack

Zach looking JACKED, well done sir

"I'd be remissed if I didn't _____"= A great statement that I've been using thanks to Andrew Huberman. Great Content Zack

China's steroid philosophy, "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist."

Looking huge bro.

zach looks like he's put on 10 pounds of muscle in the past 3 months

I want a video on supplements that will help and keep you healthy when going natural. This guy the Chinese guy is recovering from an injury

He's not eating enough raw liver.🤪

AS IF Americans are cleaner than anyone else... 🤣🤣

New Sub, appreciate the channel. I’m 5’10, 228# 1st timer-taking Cjc 1295/Ipamorlen to hopefully trim the spare tire. Workout 3/4x a week, avg diet, protein shake etc.

A Chinese Anti Doping Agency or WADA's Chinese officials went to take blood from that superstar swimmer, Sun Yang, and they definitely didn't cover for him, or give him special treatment. I think that they went to his place at like 3am to get blood and when he got pissed off, they left without a sample. He ended up getting suspended for a couple years or something, even though he has never had anything show up in his tests.

I’m not sure if the China weightlifters are all juicing but what if a Chinese KZfaqr said “oh wow all the weightlifting record are held by Americans. What steroid are they all taking?”

What happend to the do you lift bro?

He not a you tube tick tock, Instagram goof that's running gear all year long, he's a professional athlete that is taking time off the drugs which is smart.

Their system is better, their process is better, and they have the biggest population in the bloody world! They find the genetic anomalies who have massive potential for strength, and make them do weightlifting.

It’s the don’t ask don’t tell policy ll

If someone took time off, and didn't work out barely at all, he could lose 20+ pounds of lean tissue. He is a short guy and was super ripped, which always makes you look bigger. It possible he was not on gear, but so many athletes are using steroids, it's hard to believe that he wasn't. If he blows up back to his jacked status really quickly, then he is definitely getting saucy. The thing he said about other countries Anti Doping Agencies not being as active in trying to catch their countrymen, that isn't necessarily true. A Chinese Anti Doping Agency or WADA's Chinese officials went to take blood from that superstar swimmer, Sun Yang, and they definitely didn't cover for him, or give him special treatment. I think that they went to his place at like 3am to get blood and when he got pissed off, they left without a sample. He ended up getting suspended for a couple years or something, even though he has never had anything show up in his tests. They are all on PED's, but how is it different than the American's like Carl Lewis, or the Russian's and the Olympics they fixed, which was brilliant. How about in the 1950's where the German government and Olympic coaches were giving Turinabol to all of their athletes and telling them that it was vitamins. A bunch of the women sued the government and won. Canada won more Gold Medals then any other country, probably because of steroids somehow. Now it's China's turn and they are going to run with it until they drop the ball or Anti Doping catches up. All major athletes are using steroids.

i wouldn't be surprised if the chinese team is doping but only to the degree that all olympic weightlifting teams probably are. the chinese weightlifting system is superior, just as the russian system of wrestling is superior, the cuban boxing system, etc. the usa hates when an asian country is dominant at something though like the hatred towards japan when they kicked the usa's ass in automotives in the 70s.

"Heard this from somebody who lives there" you should have shouted out our boy Ramsey Dewey!

I think saying it’s only due to PEDs that China is so good ignores some other factors, like how Chinese people tend to have shorter limbs, maybe giving better joint angles (not sure on this). But that’s how it is with long distance running and East African runners holding all the records. Some speculate it’s their tendency to be built leaner, some speculate that culturally it’s taken more seriously, some say it’s that they train from a very young age and train with more volume, but at the same time more East Africans get popped for PEDs than any other area. IAAF was considering banning the entire country of Kenya this year due to 40% of all positive tests being from there. Finally maybe it’s a combination of all factors.

The major difference here is that, for the US, the prize is qualifying for the olympics, and USADA exists to keep that organic competition (relatively) fair, but for other countries, the prize is the medal itself for national pride to be used domestically for national unity purposes.

It's the power of Chi and Gung Fu

We are talking about sports in general, not only weighlifting. Do we really think top tier athletes don't use anything to increase their performances? Nobody believes that. The moneys and prestige for the country involved are beyond every imagination, even with a lot of political implications (strongh athletes = strong country). Drug testes are almost useless: if you know the rules there is always a way to break it, whichever is corrupting, using modified substances not detected by current tests, dosing and timing, or even genic doping why not. It's sad but at the end of the day be on the top it's not only about a person's abilities, but in large part it's about the medical staff and researchers behind the athlete. That said, no one can deny the exceptional abilities of these athletes, especially if we talk about Lu Xiaojun whom I deeply respect.

Which side has more money, science led by capital ventures or science led by budget restraints. We allocate resources in favor of cheating because there is more money in doing so for organizations/athletes/sponsors/big pharma. Knowing this, it certainly feels like a waste of time worrying about drug testing, as if the standards of testing and drug makers will ever be on the same level.

Damn, Lu just got caught

Clarence made a very good vid on steroinds in weightlifting, wada etc

He's my rival lol I squat 265 he squats 600 I got a little catching up... lmao

Is it just me or does this camera angle make them look like they have underbites? LMAO

how it is with long distance running and East African runners holding all the records.

For the almighty Algorithm! TrenCow :D

There definitely drugs in weightlifting at the same time certain ethnicities do better at certain sports, the general shape of some Asians is optimal for Olympic weightlifting

4:12 no… that’s not true…😰it… can’t be… 😧

bro. a week early. assuming a followup is on the way or already out lol.

Sun Yang's hammer has entered the chat.

Larry lilja would be proud zack.

two reasons: 1.large talent pool due to the huge population 2. East Asians (including myself) tend to have larger torso and shorter limbs in general (not everyone but in general) East Asians are good at power leverage and quick burst power output in middle and lower weight class, like Lu Xiaojun and the boxer Naoya Inoue, but also look at Zhilei Zhang, who is a heavy weight boxer from China, he is also very fast and powerful. I guess it's a gene thing that East Asians are more power efficient for the same weight class when compared with other people in the world.

in November 2011, the International Weightlifting Federation announced that Liao Hui had tested positive for the banned substances boldenone and androstatrienedione. Liao Hui was Olympic gold medalist at 69kg in 2008. So it’s BS that Chinese weight lifters are never caught.

USADA jokes btw source: ufc pico jon jones incident

i think its more a case $$$$ rather than undetectable drugs ... every one has their price ... including WADA

You can also buy Epi Testosterone ...

They also live and breathe training. They're not like a regular Olympic team. They live, train, eat at the training center for months on end. Not that they couldn't be on it. It just doesn't equate to the same training experience of most countries.

Zach is getting thicker by the day.

Let's get to the lab boys

The Asian men and women athletes compete in both men and women events.

The drug abuse problem in the US is the worst around the world. I mean a normal 16-year-old teenage in high school might use steriod and it's just for getting girls' attention, not for any sports competition.

my boi Lu

Why are the French/Spanish/Brazilian so.good at football. Why are Jamaicas are so good at sprinting..

Dude looks like Bam Majera

Accusation without evidences

You can still do maintenance training to keep most of your muscle mass... this looks like the man had an injury or something with how much weight he's lost.

You traps look jacked bro

The success itself shouldn’t be used as evidence, there are plenty of countries that excel at specific sports like how Kenyans and Ethiopians dominate distance running, before accusing them of cheating you would consider their physiology. Gear aside, the general body types of chinese people do seem to fit what you would expect to be advantageous for certain kinds of lifts, so the number of people in China who are available to become high level lifters is enormous. If it was just about cheating, it wouldn’t just be in the area they also happen to be physiologically suited for. Again not saying there is or isn’t cheating, just saying we shouldn’t overlook the fact that they may just be naturally good at these kinds of lifts in general.

Why are they talking about test? In weightlifting you have to stay in weight classes, you can gain strength but not weight. I would think stanozolol, turanibol, anavar , halotestin, but not test

if USADA is too hard with scrutiny....why not go after and expose USADA?

0:18 lol

I dunno man, when I see swimming I see a lot of American/Australian flags. So, we're gonna take a look at that, or...?

Pushing so hard to imply ped use.. good job Derek being impartial

They may very well be on drugs, but if you do side by side comparisons with the americans, the chinese have better form imo. I mean do a side my side with Lu and Zack, and its clear to see Lu’s form is basically perfect.

let's spend 4 years living with them to see if they are clean. however, only you can tell, others will still questioning you all the time. this is something that only you know it's true when it's true.

Lance Armstrong.

"Overarching concurrently that would otherwise...I don't know". Another Derekism!

everyone is using.. Chinese just lift more its simple

wasnt he injured for like 10 months? i know he just popped hot after injury but, at his age maybe he was trying to get back at the top illegally

Can not stop laughing on this video. Accusing better competitors because they are too good.

Xiaojun just got busted for EPO. As everyone has been saying, they're all on drugs.

More caldrons more conferences

Its its so much difficult to catch PED use, why not just let people use whatever they want and enforce weight categories only?

do national sports teams now look for athletes - especially - who respond well to masking. and then once identified run with that person knowing they can 99% of the time miss detection. youd have to think that would a be a strategy - test your top 100 for variables you know are good - then apply them. Thats what the China sports program looks like - they take tall athletes and turn them into basketballers. They take naturally aerobically advanced people and turn them into track cyclists. Its actually the identification of variables before you play a sport which then determine where you go in the current jab and mask arena of sports.

Mans on that designer rat juice

How dare they are better than us. lol…