Chopin/Nicodé - Allegro de Concert with accompanying score

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Frédéric Chopin's Allegro de concert (the original composition), Op. 46, is scored for solo piano, published in November 1841. The themes on this one movement piece are bold and expressive. It has a curious place in the Chopin canon, and while its history is obscure, the evidence supports the view, shared by Robert Schumann and others, that it started out as the first movement of a projected third piano concerto, of which the orchestral parts are either now non-existent or were never scored at all.
Jean Louis Nicodé produced two versions-one for two pianos, and a later one for piano and orchestra presented here-in those he added various parts of his own creation, amounting to 70 bars of new music (a development section after bar 205, a third tutti, etc.). He also "beefs up" the piano part towards the end.
Soloist: Setrak
Orchestra: Polish Chamber Philharmonic Orchestra
Conductor: Wojciech Rajski
Venue: Studio Recording 1989
Audio: • SETRAK plays CHOPIN (O...
Score: imslp.org/wiki/Allegro_de_conc...)
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Пікірлер: 48

@janmarkowicz4633 2 жыл бұрын

If Chopin finished this entire piece including 2nd and 3rd movement, all with orchestra, this definitely would be a magnificent concert!!!

@sanjai_s Жыл бұрын

Actually this has to be piano concerto 3 of chopin, but for some reason, he reworked as a solo piano concert piece

@mrbrianmccarthy 4 жыл бұрын

this was definitely going to be a concerto----sadly he only finished the first movement---but what a great piece! Some of Chopins best and most virtuosic piano writing.

@carlhopkinson 2 жыл бұрын

I want to see this in the final round of the next Chopin Competition in Warsaw. We should demand it.

@carlhopkinson 2 жыл бұрын

Very worthy of Chopin's legacy. Marvelous work full of unexpected excursions into the highest realms of piano writing that undoubtedly only Chopin could ascend to.

@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin 2 жыл бұрын

One day a friend of mine recommended me to listen to Chopin's Op. 46, and I already knew that this was supposed to be the first movement of his third concerto. I was wondering, "Is there any orchestration of it?" Then I found this work, and I'm now addicted to the marvelous orchestration by Nicodé. I'm going to make a solo piano arrangement of this some day.

@timothygremlin9737 2 жыл бұрын

But.. there already is an original? What do you mean a solo piano arangement xD

@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin 2 жыл бұрын

@@timothygremlin9737 I mean, at the time I was listening to J.-L. Nicodé's orchestration, I thought it could be nice if I arrange again for solo piano, including "Nicodé's new parts". One day I found that new thing is too original, so now I scarcely listen to his orchestration, and gaving up my determination after all...

@donaldtrump2252 9 ай бұрын

Holy shit i stumbled across another masterpiece

@federico6485 4 жыл бұрын

Wow.. it's much better with orchestra. Maybe Chopin composed this considering as a concerto but not completed.

@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin 2 жыл бұрын

This was supposed to be the first movement of Chopin's third piano concerto.

@federico6485 2 жыл бұрын

@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin Really?

@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin 2 жыл бұрын

@@federico6485 Technically not this particular arrangement by Nicodé, but I meant the original Op. 46.

@federico6485 2 жыл бұрын

@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin If so, the only major first movement.

@W0lfman0 Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of the music of Johann Nepomuk Hummel, Chopin’s predecessor. As Chopin aged he began to concern himself more with musical form and integration of the solo part with the orchestra - in part I think because he was criticized for “writing piano solos with orchestral accompaniment” rather than real concertos. This piece shows his growth in that direction, revealing an emerging classicism and maturity of feeling. I don’t know if I expressed my thoughts very well, but man, this is a long way from the profusion of secondary dominants and endless configurations of the diminished 7th in A-B-A forms that we are used to hearing from Chopin!

@carlhopkinson 2 жыл бұрын

Those fast triplets in thirds are phenomenal.

@Kris9kris 5 жыл бұрын

Lo, behold my amazing discovery for today. Nicodé's reimagining puts a piece that I didn't initially think much of - into a fresh new perspective. This is a great piece of evidence that you don't need to be a genius composer in order to make a memorable contribution to the western music canon. Even his own additions work in an odd, charming sort of way - like the passage resembling the texture of the Op. 10 No. 12 at 9:27. My only criticism would be Setrak Yavruyan's cluttery playing, he really doesn't do the dazzling concertante stuff justice, some parts just drag as a result of it. I don't blame him that much though, this is some of the hardest things Chopin wrote as far as I can tell. More than 10 minutes of continuous double-stops, demanding scales, spread out arpeggios, crazy jumps and rhythmical quirks.

@GwennySweety 5 жыл бұрын

Piano, double stops? I thought double stops are for stringed instruments

@Kris9kris 5 жыл бұрын

@@GwennySweety If there is a separate terminology exclusively for the piano, you got me - I couldn't find it on the internet. Dohnányi's essential finger exercises for piano also refers to the phenomenon of playing a passage with one hand that has two simultaneous pitches in a succession as a double stop.

@KevinYang91 4 жыл бұрын

@@Kris9kris Pianists nowadays don't really use the term double stop, we usually refer to two-note chords by their interval names (eg. 'thirds' or 'sixths').

@dibaldgyfm9933 2 жыл бұрын

@@KevinYang91 :: But then again, "double stop" is a term for both thirds and sixths ☻ By the way Setrak Yaruvyan really has done a marvellous job here! We get the idea and I don't know what Kris9kris think is "cluttered". The setting is -- eh sorry Frederic -- very clumsy some places. (but 9:27 is not so bad, Nicodé did good).

@franciscopetracco5553 2 жыл бұрын

@@Kris9kris Pianists refer to it as double notes, not double stops.

@SCRIABINIST 2 жыл бұрын

11:19 Gets me everytime

@radamik Жыл бұрын

Yes. Quite stunning. Apparently Chopin himself felt quite highly of this work; if only that man had lived longer.

@PokeMaestro 11 ай бұрын

Because of the iiø7 (- V9 - I)?

@SCRIABINIST 11 ай бұрын

@@PokeMaestro No, ii-Vs are normal it’s how Chopin writes the ii-V

@PokeMaestro 11 ай бұрын

@@SCRIABINIST So you mean the texture

@brettzz246 6 жыл бұрын

mercy my dear, i have been waiting for it :D

@ahrjay3326 5 жыл бұрын

Chopin's 3rd piano concerto!

@user-jh1ty3dk7m 3 жыл бұрын

awesome

@alvodin6197 Ай бұрын

I usually prefer Chopin concerti, his variations op 2, and grand polonaise brilliant as just solo piano, but is an exception! Glad to discover this.

@andreauribe6454 Жыл бұрын

Winderful surprise

@Xyriak Жыл бұрын

12:39

@federico6485 2 жыл бұрын

OK, if this was going to be a movement of a concerto but not completed, then why not just make it only one movement mini concerto? I mean it's much much better with the orchestra.

@mostafa12890 Жыл бұрын

14:55 Perfection

@majdabdulaziz714 Жыл бұрын

أتفق

@Xyriak Жыл бұрын

4:48

@victorgallardo6375 5 жыл бұрын

@. I did this orchestration about 18 years ago I have not heard any other till now, There was not any KZfaq. I used a midi score (thats why its heard not so good) of the piano solo part that chopin left and did not change or add a single note.. I hope you like it.

@mase9308 Жыл бұрын

the parts of the original work are really nice and sound a lot like Chopin’s accompaniment with the orchestration. but when Nicode adds his own type of variation on the theme I feel like it sounds more like Liszt than Chopin especially the orchestration. As well as the Coda

@trraviss1977 5 жыл бұрын

Could you post the Second Concerto from the same CD, please?

@GwennySweety 5 жыл бұрын

I get the audio from another KZfaq video and I have posted link in description.

@piotrkobza2776 5 ай бұрын

Piękna muzyka. Ale chyba dobrze, że Chopin wyszedł z tego stylu. To już była ślepa uliczka.

@ioiomichalicki2911 4 ай бұрын

Czemu ślepa uliczka?

@piotrkobza2776 4 ай бұрын

@@ioiomichalicki2911 Ponieważ tutaj on już cytuje samego siebie. Poza tym w tym stylu nie dało się napisać scherz, ballad, fantazji f ani w ogóle niczego, co napisał od op. 20 w górę.

@user-jh1ty3dk7m 2 жыл бұрын

4:44 / 4:53

@user-jh1ty3dk7m 2 жыл бұрын

6:23