FREDERIC CHOPIN: Allegro de concert op.46(piano and orchestra version by J.NICODE)

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FREDERIC CHOPIN: Allegro de concert op.46 (piano and orchestra version by J.NICODE)
POLISH CHAMBER PHILHARMONIC, WOJCIECH RAJSKI
SETRAK SETRAKIAN,PIANO
ORCHESTRATION BY JEAN-LOUIS NICODE (1853-1919)
Photos:POLAND
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frédéric Chopin's Allegro de concert, Op. 46, is a piece for piano, published in November 1841. It is in one movement and takes between 11 and 15 minutes to play. The principal themes are bold and expressive. It has a curious place in the Chopin canon, and while its history is obscure, the evidence supports the view, shared by Robert Schumann and others, that it started out as the first movement of a projected third piano concerto, of which the orchestral parts are either now non-existent or were never scored at all. There is no evidence that Chopin ever even started work on the latter movements of this concerto.
History
Chopin published his two piano concertos in 1830. That same year he wrote that he was planning a concerto for two pianos and orchestra, and would play it with his friend Tomasz Napoleon Nidecki if he managed to finish it. He worked on it for some months but he had the greatest difficulty with it, and this work never eventuated; however, he may have used ideas from it in later works.
There is also evidence that Chopin started work on a third concerto for piano and orchestra. In Chopin: The Piano Concertos, Rink quotes from an unpublished Chopin letter, dated 10 September 1841, offering Breitkopf & Härtel an "Allegro maestoso (du 3me Concerto) pour piano seul" for 1,000 francs. In November 1841, Schlesinger published the Allegro de concert, which has a tempo indication of "Allegro maestoso", and Breitkopf & Härtel also published it in December of the same year. The work has the general characteristics of the opening movement of a concerto from around that time. It contains a lengthy introduction, with the section corresponding to the original piano solo commencing at bar 87. It seems clear that the "Allegro maestoso" Chopin referred to in his letter was the piece published two months later as Allegro de concert, Op. 46.
Reception
The Allegro de concert includes certain devices which reflect a more virtuosic technique than that required by his two published concertos.[6] Technical difficulties include dense musical textures, complex and light finger work, massive leaps of left hand chords, trills and scales in double notes and difficult octaves. For this reason it is considered one of Chopin's most difficult pieces, but regardless of this challenge, some pianists and critics find it unconvincing. It has received relatively little attention in the concert hall or in recordings, and it is not particularly well known to music lovers. Those who have recorded it include Claudio Arrau, Nikolai Demidenko, Garrick Ohlsson, Nikita Magaloff, Vladimir Ashkenazy and Roger Woodward. However, Chopin himself seems to have been very proud of it. He told Aleksander Hoffmann: "This is the very first piece I shall play in my first concert upon returning home to a free Warsaw". Chopin never returned to Warsaw, and it is perhaps for this reason that there is no record of him ever playing it in public. In fact, there seems to be no record of its first public performance at all. (Claude Debussy played it at the Paris Conservatoire in July 1879) The work received one of its rare public performances at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in the early 1980s as the opening work for a 'quasi orchestral' solo piano recital by British pianist Mark Latimer that ended with only the second London performance of the equally demanding Concerto for Solo Piano by Charles-Valentin Alkan.

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@donaldaxel
@donaldaxel 2 жыл бұрын
Oh dear this is so moving, so right, so expressive, the "virtuoso" passages get a full meaning on the background of the orchestra, and the recording is convincing, amazingly virtuoso, so impressive. I love this. The final crescendo sounds right here, whereas in the pno solo version which Chopin published there is kind of vacuum after the chromatic accellerando and crescendo - because we miss the orchestra. Many many pianists and composers have registered this and observed that something need to be done, but noone except Nicodé (so far) have been bold enough to add 70 bars of orchestral thematic take over and some passagework in the second and third part of this piece. This is what Nicodé does, and this is good, because it follows Chopin's strategy ("lay-out") for the concerts op.11 and 21. There has also been pianists who take other pieces by Chopin and add as second and third movements. Why not? Bach and a most other composers did that all the time. So how about the C-minor Nocturne, op.48.1, as second movement? There are large parts of it which invites to orchestration. And then - for me it would be so happy with a lastmovement based on Mazurka op.56.3 also C minor but ending in C major. Or perhaps the Scherzo 4 in E major, with the pianistic passages as solo, and the "easy parts" as orchestral interludes. Read in Wikipedia what other pianists/composers have done: The Australian pianist Alan Kogosowski went further. In addition to restructuring and augmenting Chopin's music for the Allegro de concert into a new treatment for piano and orchestra, he also created settings for piano and orchestra of the Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. posth. "Lento con gran espressione", and the Bolero in C major-A minor, Op. 19. Kogosowski put these together as a three-movement work and performed it under the misleading title of "Chopin's Piano Concerto No. 3 in A major" on 8 October 1999, with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra under Neeme Järvi.
@mstalcup
@mstalcup 2 жыл бұрын
The Chopin concerto that almost was. Bravo! Overall I really like the orchestrated sections. It sounds similar to Chopin's orchestration style. I wonder if there are other arrangements of this for piano and orchestra and if there are recordings of them. When I hear this, it's clear that Chopin had a piano concerto in mind when writing what we know as op. 46.
@si4847
@si4847 4 жыл бұрын
ずっと探していた協奏曲版が見つかって嬉しいです。ショパンの3番が聴けたようで高揚しますね。
@honoratamusica
@honoratamusica 7 жыл бұрын
So beautiful recording and video! Thanks for sharing!
@MrJayshalu
@MrJayshalu 4 жыл бұрын
Hope Chopin had left more for us
@dominiquehamel5512
@dominiquehamel5512 7 жыл бұрын
Serait-ce une ébauche d'un troisième concerto que Chopin aurait composé ? car il n'y en a que deux officiels.... Il semble que cette œuvre soit composée pour piano seul, néanmoins la version de J. NICODE reste belle...
@cvlen
@cvlen 3 жыл бұрын
Oui, en fait C'EST l'ébauche du premier mouvement d'un troisième concerto que Chopin voulait jouer à son retour à Varsovie... Mais ça n'est jamais passé, malhereusement. À la fin, il a publié l'œuvre pour piano solo sous le titre "Allegro de concerto".
@danielchoi4490
@danielchoi4490 6 жыл бұрын
The playing was beautiful, but I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of the departure from the score. Chopin was a big fan of subtlety, and I think such grandiose variations ruins that. Not to mention he was extremely displeased when Liszt added his own variations to Chopin's Études, saying "Play how it's written, or don't play it at all!"
@alessandropelizzoli6613
@alessandropelizzoli6613 6 жыл бұрын
Why calling the part at 8:37 a cadenza? It is not, just because of the presence of the orchestra in the background! moreover, this section is not by Chopin, but is clearly derived from the development section from the first piano Concerto.
@trraviss1977
@trraviss1977 5 жыл бұрын
Could you post the Chopin Second Concerto from the same disc, please?
@jamesgodfrey5887
@jamesgodfrey5887 4 жыл бұрын
Not a big deal the arranger strayed a bit from the score, chopin was just human not a God we can edit his music and learn from it and make our own music too Ya know.
@FriendlyCroock
@FriendlyCroock 3 жыл бұрын
Well maybe. But the composition for the orchestra part is still not by chopin. I mean you can try whatever argument you want but nothing will change the fact that the orchestral parts were written by a completely different composer.
@PieInTheSky9
@PieInTheSky9 2 жыл бұрын
@@FriendlyCroock So? If it sounds good, it is good.
@francescoelia.marino
@francescoelia.marino 4 жыл бұрын
Did you actually play this Sandro?
@Alessandro_da_Rimini
@Alessandro_da_Rimini 4 жыл бұрын
Ho creato il video subito dopo aver trovato questa mirabile versione. il pianista e' tale Setrak Setrakian.
@francescoelia.marino
@francescoelia.marino 4 жыл бұрын
@@Alessandro_da_Rimini nice!
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