Absolutely sickening. They fed off of each other.

Probably both were blinded by their lies. Both were very in love with themselves. Both encouraged the other to start a sexual affair. Chris is a weak man and thrived on the attention of NK .. Nk had to win Chris over as she was jealous of Shann

@@62roxana He thinks he loves her

Truthful to his side piece all the while being deceitful to his wife.

She's dumb af! Nobody could tell me they're honest while cheating with me 🙄

Before I married my husband I asked him, “Want to know what I would do if you ever cheated on me?” Hesitatingly he replied, “Yes??” I told him, “I’d stay married to you.” He got the message! It’s been almost 30 years - I’m happy to report that my husband still lives with an extremely pleasant and happy wife! 😂

@@CowboyBike06 I don't get it.

@@dlboss77 - meaning that he has a choice. Cheat and be with an unhappy wife, or be faithful and have a happy wife.

“Happy wife = Happy life!” 😉

Absolutely.

The whole e-mail chain was testing and flirting. It's all coded. We should keep our friendship at work. BTW, I keep it all between us. Oh, okay. Hey, here's how to get a hold of me quickly when I'm out in the field. That e-mail chain started their affair and the intrigue (for them) and destruction (his family, The Rzuceks and Watts families and everyone connected and involved in his lies and his life.

I completely agree as he is the same guy who was giving his wife the silent treatment they try to be so nice to other women and there is always a reason for it

Specially calling her by her nickname and the exclamation signs.

Oh for sure. Who uses !!!! In their boring “thank you” work email to a practical stranger?

Nk had already researched and targeted THEM way before that.

Yes, he is spot on with his analysis of CW and NK.

@oktopustrainer Oh my, what kid in AMERICA on average likes to eat veggies! To even go there and use the kids as an excuse for CW sick mind is beyond ludacris! If a person is sick in the head anything can push them over the edge. I've seen kids worse than theirs and the parents dealt with them in a healthy way.

Just let them Rest In Peace

@@frankmcgarrity6370 CW &NK are still alive and well.

oktopustrainer so you would kill two children just cause they don’t behave that’s so ridiculous if that’s how you think I don’t know what to tell you

@Dana Davison Thanks, Dana!

Oh I agree. She did want to be alone anymore. She had her own plans going on for sure

I agree, apart from CW being psychologically complex. He's unintelligent and is now someone who gets excited about getting mac & cheese in prison after not being able to control his rage at a life he no longer wanted. He was like an oversexed teenager with NK, and much preferred that escapism to being a husband and father with a shitload of debt. He had a weak personality, so gravitated to strong, if not domineering women like his mother, and had very little experience with women before getting married. NK offered him sex and lots of it, and none of the humdrum, debt-ridden drama of adult life. He's definitely not complex by any stretch imo, with respect.

You hit the nail on the nose she did watch Shannon’s life

He didn't tell her about the children. Psychologically complex? Do you fancy him?

The amount of lies CW told his parents and friends. Jeepers it's scary just how dangerous of a person he really is.

@@milkymoo8252 agreed. I also feel he is a big coward to not man-up , get a divorce and take his responsibility in raising the children. Instead, he was a self-centered Fake.

And that’s so sad they should of been there to support there son ,they didn’t have to sleep with her 😡

@@milkymoo8252 what did he tell them?

After the ice cream with nuts incident, and Shannan leaving and telling Chris that she (and the kids?) will never see his parents again, and Chris went to visit his parents alone. I have always wondered what they all discussed, because you know Cindy HAD to talk about that incident with Chris. (Letting him know for the millionth time how ‘awful’ Shannan is) and I’m sure the Dad had an earful from Cindy prior to Chris coming over. Anyway, I just can’t shake the feeling that the Dad must have said something like (when Chris discussed the affair with him) ‘Child support and alimony are going to be very expensive. Blah blah blah’ and maybe what Chris heard in his warped mind was, ‘…is expensive. So you’ll have to kill them all to avoid that.’ Then again, as vile as his parents continue to be toward a dead woman and her family, they might have advised him of that very thing. The Watts family, in my opinion, all have very serious issues.

Because he pulled that bullshit lie on her if she had common sense she would’ve checked it out it was a total lie

Some divorcing couples have to stay in the same residence due to financial constraints. Initially, she wouldn’t know exactly what progress had been made on the legal front.

​@@joerudnik9290she was admiring the beautiful life he had built with his wife and kids... not something you say if you think the man is separated!

She lies.

the irony of your comment is that it was she who cheated in her first marriage and also stole a lot of money from an employer. The good morals concept is a laugh, but sad they were murdered, especially the innocent kids.

I'm certainly not blaming Shan'nan because she deserved to stay in the home along with her children and perhaps Chris threatened her so she didn't want to rock the boat, however, she should have separated from him as soon as talks of divorce started. When I separated from my husband, he was gone. Out the door. Given the fact that the first 2 months of separation is the most dangerous for women, they need to physically separate themselves from the husband. And if he wants visitation, try your best to stall until the court has made its decision. If the husband has been violent towards you in the past, he will probably turn that violence towards the children. I don't know why courts give men custody and visitation if he was violent towards the mother of the children. That's just insinuating it was the mother's fault.

Chris and Nikki are two Nasty gross evil narcissistic monsters and Both Murdered They are both the same Shanann and babies didn't have a chance

Janet. o Boutte well said!

oktopustrainer Your comment disturbs me.

👌🏻🤣

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Hold your head high! Hopefully, your family will come to appreciate you.

Where do you get that impression? Cindy seems perfectly normal. She might be the more dominant spouse in her relationship with Ronnie, but she doesn't seem domineering or aggressive. Honestly, (and I'm not blaming the victim here. What Chris did was absolutely unjustifiable) Shanann seemed like a complete nightmare of a daughter-in-law. She flipped out when Cindy encouraged Shanann to use the ice cream incident as an opportunity to show Cece not to always expect to get your way. Cece acted bratty and was probably used to having whatever she wanted when she wanted and it's telling that Shanann saw nothing wrong with that.

Not come to the marriage of the son speaks a lot about her.

IMO His mother was cruel what she did with those peanuts! It was horrible we’ll beyond horrible! Yet, she keeps talking like normal people don’t see right through her! Most common people feel real real sick from her horrible actions! Karma will get her!

That’s not necessary. The entire human race doesn’t need to become paranoid because of a toxic couple. Yes… both were toxic. Shanann was a hardcore control freak, she called him stuoid and said he didn’t have balls ALL THE TIME. She admitted to being a control freak while he was a beta who agreed to everything because… well… he DIDNT have balls. She was overbearing and he resented her but kept it hidden deep inside until one day he lost his shit and killed her. She didn’t deserve to die but let’s stop pretending that she was perfect and he just woke up one day in a perfect marriage and decided to off her and their babies.

@@kateashby3066 that's what divorce is for. People have a way out. You hurt children in any way you get no defense and are worse than the scum of the earth.

Don’t forget he’s a counselor and people go to him when they have problems

Just cause somethings common doesn’t make it right and no moral person and wrong in the eyes of God

Teach your sons to respect women and the sanctity of marriage 😉

Teach your married sons and grandsons to honor and respect THEIR wives and families, and oh, to not chase after single women!

I agree - teach your daughters and sons both, what it means to be honourable. Teach them that it's honourable to be loyal, to be responsible lover and family member, it's honourable to turn down temptations that will eventually rob you of your blessings. It's honourable to respect other people's blessings. There is so much to enjoy in this world if we could afford to be integrous human beings.

@@sydneyvixx6983 @SUNSHINE REGGAE @Shamirah Carruthers @Everyone Else : Abso-bloody-lutely, well said! It always takes 2 to tango, as they say.

Or married women

ted smith well that makes me feel great about myself, not every can be heavyset if they want too, why do guys treat us smaller girls like we aren’t even women or gross

Interesting exchange here guys! LOL

@@Mexicanopride246 don't let goof balls make you feel anything, let alone about your body! We are not supporse to have the same shape, and honestly, this is just something ugly dudes say because they CAN'T PULL A BAD BITCH LIKE YOURSELF!!! 😁😉☺💞 I GOT YA GIRL!

@Gloria Vargo my God I would have not thought one person in the world would not know what "hot and heavy" means. Guarantee that Aliyah is a millenial.............

Aliyah Hallam get off the internet. Don’t fish for compliments from strangers.

Yeah I've seen it too. She was obviously protected by the law enforcement. Anyone else would have been at least guilty of justice obstruction. She blatantly lied multiple times and besides 1 investigator, no one called her out on this. It was an excellent documentary.

Of all the people on internet, Facebook etc. how and why did she target Shannan/Chris???

@@virginiamontes1868 she worked for the same company as Chris, she liked him so started Facebook stalking him and Shanann

@@nikkitaylor5518 i agree with you 100%.! When u listen to her talks with police she talks just like my family member who is BPD. She has karma coming her way.

@@nikkitaylor5518 I'm pretty sure Nk forced her dad Dwayne Kessinger to hire Chris for Anadarko...I'm pretty sure she was obsessed with Chris, since the beginning of time...but only started to hangout in 2018, before 4 people were murdered.

Hasn't it been shown that Nicole didn't have that phone number at the time the searches were made?

Yes agree , how this lead to an affair is hard to even imagen .

I disagree

Not to mention the way she talks, her voice and her manish attitude. Disgusting fake person. The way she tried to force herself to cry over his kids says it all. She is true psychopath

She had a nice body because she hadn't been pregnant 3 times like Shanann. But Shanann is SOOOO much prettier than her. I'd say Shanann is a 9.5. The mistress is more like a 6.

@@User-nu6km Ummmm…..what do you disagree with??? Just out of curiosity????

What is all this nonsense about appearance? It is the ❤️ that matters!

She never will bc she's controlling and about as deep as a thimble.

His family deny their actions lead to what he had done Yes

Devil's work sex greed lies murder DO WE REALLY KNOW ANYONE????? Words of Tammy Lee ,,,Will never leave my brain NEVER.

Cheating is not a crime. Murder is.

@@carriefawcett9990 I didn't say it was. I said it seems to lead to crime in an amazing number of cases.

The fact that you think it started with the affair is a bit much. How about this… it started with him being emotionally inept and Shanann being controlling and abusive. Not a great recipe for a happy ending

@@matts901stop giving credit to a mythological creature and start holding humans responsible for their shitty choices. Also- do you even know what causes psychopathy? Brain deformities. Who’s responsible for THAT? God.

Evelyn Waugh Well put 👍

Evelyn Waugh your namesake was as wise as you .... 👍🏻

unfortunately much of mine has resulted from making mistakes and dealing with the consequences:(

Yes, this is what keeps me coming back to this case. The psychology here. How/Why did CW go off the rails? It's not a black &white case.

That’s the whole point and what he wants to do. I love psychology which is why I watch videos like this

@@thatgirl81111 ok...

"Live Abuse Free " also does great insight into the psychological aspects of the case. She's one of the few that doesn't discuss sensational innuendo just to get more views.

@@sarcasticallyrearranged Abusers carries on even After a divorce has been made Final

Sorry but being a mistress isn't a crime, killing people is. What should she be investigated about?

I thought there was a youtuber who was showing some video that might have showed that Chris Watts had a helper... I forgot her youtube channel. Everyone who commented thought it was NK. Also they suggested her to submit the video to the LE.

Oh wynter, you're smarter than FBI agents?! Wow, amazing. 🙄

Oh Pearl Smith, if you think the FBI is a pristine organization that never makes mistakes, you are in for a rude awakening. Check out how Jeffrey Epstein was able to slither away from the FBI a few times in the past, allowing him to abuse more girls. It’s a good thing to question the authorities sometimes. It sharpens your mind a bit.

Liza Tanzawa Yes! You nailed it!

It's complete evil.

Y’all act like you’re not from the US do you know one out of four women do this and one out of three men do it it’s that’s how common it is

@@rachaelnelson4976 That still doesn't make it less monstrous. Are you saying because it happens here so often that it can now be considered as normal and ok?

@@nickilovesdogs8137 It’s terrible what he had done

@@nickilovesdogs8137 It’s not normal or ok ever

Me too! I felt the red flags in my stomach every time she was gaslighting or manipulating in the interview.

Narcissistic Abuse Rehab It shouldn’t be an obstacle. 50% of marriages end in divorce. That’s the answer for getting away from your spouse just divorce! Give up your parental rights! Problem solved!

Buggy Blue Feather WTF. Is this sarcasm that failed? You’re clearly not a parent.

@@flop6228 Indeed, I wish Chris Watts had done that instead. I don't think many parents are willing to surrender their rights so this can make the other spouse seem like an obstacle.

This way they should fine the person who commits adultery in every state if I was president that’s what I would do

@@flop6228 I say make it a crime to commit adultery and whoever does the adultery has to pay the other party a adultery fee

Forest..they were.trying to make it more than what it was about which was sex.

canuck It’s definitely manipulation. It’s probably HARDLY about sex, but about getting other emotional needs met

Pretty doesn't count for much in an affair it's how that person makes you feel that matters Shanann was a much more sophisticated woman loved her girls and wanted a betterway of life and was very beautiful ! NK was lower class just listen to her horrible voice and speech pattern definitely not a pretty woman very average and slutty type. More on CW's level he said she took his breath away this was his type of woman one of the guys type of girl. Another example look at Prince Charles and Princess Diana she was far better looking than Camilla no comparison! But Camilla had what Charles needed in life Diana did not, so again it's how someone makes you feel when your with them. Now why CW decided murder was the appropriate way out of a marriage only he and the Dr Grande's of the world know that answer. Shanann would have done a great raising her 3 kids without CW, she just had to make up her mind she could. But he didn't give her that chance, tragic😔 CW belongs locked in a cage.. luckily he IS for good! What a waste all around. He had no right to murder anyone.

A lot of men like to marry or date 'down' so they're the better looking higher status one. I once listened to a group of high earning women bitchily note that their male colleagues "only like single moms who are impressed by them".

@N M this exactly lol people who are shocked when a pretty woman is cheated on don't understand why many people cheat, they just need something new or they like other pretty people as well,it's funny, do these people think that only looks matter in a relationship or what lol also, on the physically level, you can look good and then be bad at sex... so.

@Sarah Holland - To be fair. Most women like to date “up” so it’s a win/win.

@N M She treated him so bad. I bet she baby trapped him with the third child. He did not look happy

Interviews done from a place of hindsight are usually full of bullshit.

Would love to see that too!

Sounds like a very Narcissistic woman.

Another nut!

Dana Davison considering the hatred towards them and the media attention, not sure I’d have attended either! The focus should have been on the victims and I’m not sure that would have been the case if they had gone. People watching every reaction.....I think they done the right thing

Totally agree and have lived that. You can guard your relationship and nurture it or leave it open to outside influence and take the chance that one of you makes a mistake that brings down the house you've built together.

who emails anymore ? was it the work email 😑

People have affairs , so what

Anyone who thinks that emailing a coworker of the opposite sex is a "temptation " has a major insecurity problem!

Two people who are truly in love are never insecure about being cheated on. If you're insecure then it's not love.

So those are the cutest emojis I've seen, lol😁💞💫🍀🌀

You might do well to understand the world with a touch more balance. Domestic violence is extremely common, and is a result of two parties acting badly. Often, the man fires the bullets, but it is the woman who loads the gun. Societies problems will not be solved by simply punishing the man, we need to put equal resources into educating the woman to behave in a respectful manner in order to prevent the violence occurring.

@@barrymanulow4896 He murdered their babies ffs!!

@@serendipitous_synchronicity Exactly! which makes my point even more pressing. If we are to prevent such tragedies in the future, we must start looking at the issue of domestic violence much more holistically. Experts must start to gain an understanding that "a final blow" is always landed for a reason. Prevention is always a preferable method than the cure.

@@barrymanulow4896 Of course prevention should be the angle.

Cw wasn't demented he was always that way ,like you say he wore a mask

He was a covert/ victim narcissist with sociopathic (anti social personality disorder) traits..playing the good, submissive husband and good father, good neighbour and all the while sleeping around. He was very suave in his lying but his lack of appropriate emotionality and the cold eyes didn't match up with events and gave him away. He was also impulsive and rage filled, and he kept Shannon on the tenterhooks of covert Narcissistic abude. She was under so much stress and unwell...and he finally snapped when she probably confronted him about being distant and whether he's having an affair and threatening to leave him and that gave him a huge Narcissistic injury, his primary supply threatening to leave, and he foolishly and impulsively thought if he killed her and the kids he would be able to get away with it and start a new life with NK.

@@meera2531 new life yes without a doubt but rage nooo he planned the lot

@@franmellor9843 no...it didn't show proper planning. He was a mess. And it unravelled so quick. He realised he was getting caught.

Dana Davison - I agree with you 100 percent. You stated it perfectly.

Liza Tanzawa women like her and for what? A 30 year old desperate washed up receptionist that pursued a married man with children because he was the first guy that’s ever gone down on her lol ok

Didn't he also hook up with someone from tinder and maybe he did tell her he was separated

@@royalreviews5270 not sure but I'd not be surprised at all!! I do think she knew they were together still by her messeges to him but I also think he told her he was leaving his wife.

No evidence of your daft conspiracy theory

@Samantha nothing wrong with anyone being a receptionist, but aside from that point, Nichole is a Geologist who worked with oil companies and gas exploration.

This can be caused by the person having psychological trauma or traits that allow them to click into place in the other person's scenario. A simple example would be victim /perpetrator or abused/abuser , and so on. Or having witnessed such dynamics in the home or elsewhere. But of course as you mentioned there could be the seeking notoriety factor, making money from it etc.

Both of the Menendez brothers are married

I think that she was involved with the murders and that she and Chris discussed if they were caught that he would take all the blame! Her phone was pinged in Fredricks CO around the time of the murders that morning! By her calling and telling the police about the affair then took eyes off of her in case they found out about her later on! Therefore, she didn’t become a suspect and wasn’t further investigated! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Wouldn't you do that same thing if you hadn't been involved? Clearing my name and creating distance from the person would top the list.

I'd like for Dr. Todd to talk about the traits of people who gangstalk someone with no evidence of that person being involved in the murders, with her own issues, but no email, text or physical evidence of any involvement in the murders. What personality type(s) continue to harass, defame and gangstalk someone in that situation?

Stupid, it’s obvious. She didn’t want to be implicated

@@mandaqu Dont call people stupid.

@@mandaqu You’re correct

I wonder about that wedding ring nonsense. Why would Chris ask HER how much it was worth? HE is the one who bought it!

He already did cw family anhialator

Yes, he wanted out. This was a game changer for him NK.

IMO! Was she the mother from hell? She makes me sick, ill, and nauseous the way she is blind to the terrible actions of her son! It’s like are you kidding me! Karma

sounds like limerence

How are you lucky? He cheated and you let him stay.

White Rose: Yeah the Darlie Routier case is fascinating!

Yes please.

He did

Sometimes it is my ex-husband is a classic drunk abuser cheater and the woman he’s with now was an upgrade for me but that’s his problem not mine he’s probably just using her for money anyway like he did my family

Maddi Dee ....I think that many people are simply very selfish and that’s why these things happen so often. That the simple reasons for affairs most of the time... a combination of lust and extreme selfishness. The murder part not so common, but certainly not unheard of obviously. All people are flawed, but some in ways that always ends up destroying others lives.

Teresa S yes - well I can tell you that after watching a bunch of vids about Chris watts case- I did feel suddenly grateful that my hubby just left me instead of the worst case scenario... I do think it is selfishness too- but it is just so sad the people can’t put their families on equal level as their own happiness... and Ig is impossible for a well worn and established relationship/partnership to ever have the same sparkle as a new person and a fantasy... but why do some overstep the mark vs others that build the boundary & say ‘no thanks, I’m married’... does that even exist anymore or are we all so starved for validation that a few kind words from a stranger and we are hooked!?

@@SilverGirlAu most people would end the marriage and then look for someone else. But some have Sociopathic and Narcissistic traits that make them highly selfish and impulsive and lacking in empathy.

The mistake you make is to blame others for your own shortcomings. If your partner is seeking online chat with another person then YOU, are the one who is not satisfying their needs. If you are no longer compatible, then you are no longer compatible. Accept the fact and stop playing the blame game. Find yourself someone who you are compatible with, assuming that such a soul exists. Good luck! Broadly speaking, there is someone for everyone.

Watch the video "A very Murderous Narcissist" by channel 'Knowing the Narcissist'... Basically Chris Watts suffered a huge Narcissistic injury because his wife threatened to leave him or found out about the affair or he asked for a divorce and she wouldn't give one and so he felt completely cornered and decided killing her and the kids was the only way out to a new life.

@M Z yes it's HG Tudor's channel... You're welcome :)

Right but you can fix the frontal lobe cortex by doing certain brain exercises You also need to eat certain current foods that help expand that part of the brain

This is a great idea.

People are suffering and he has knowledge to help. I’m sure that’s his reason, to help people through these confusing, sad situations.

Money$$

Well $$$$ of course

Money and that's completely fine.

Leading her to think that would ever be possible is called future faking.

@@SaltyFloridian Ahhh, hadn't heard of that, but I get why one would future fake, except, well, that email should have alerted him to a high maintenance situation. I guess people don't think about the complications, just the immediate gratification of approval, admiration and sex.

@@katiess9708 You nailed it. Neither was Mr/Ms Right. They were just Mr/Ms Right Now.

@@SaltyFloridian Yeah so you can see that the dynamic at this point falls within normal range of human behavior. I just wonder at what point in each of their minds , did it turn pathological? She made it clear that she coveted his family and life. That is bizarre to me as a lure. I think she had an obsession. What was the moment, that he turned pathological? Had they escaped suspicion, I wonder what they would have done in the future?

@@katiess9708 I think they were feeding off each other's fixation. He, being a narc, fed off her adoration/obsession for him. She, being the way she is, fed off the attention he gave her and the fantasy of what might be. She sort of created her own reality and future with him in her mind. Whether he really did future fake her or whether she played herself, I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe he just let her think whatever she wanted to. I don't think he had any true long term plans with her. I think he wanted out of his current situation(unhappy marriage and 3rd child he didn't want) The wedding dress shopping really got me, though. As if, girl. As. If.

Brilliant movie on this topic: The Paperboy (director Lee Daniels) starring John Cusack as a deranged man imprisoned for killing a sheriff who magnetizes the very bored, empty, low expectations, seductive Nicole Kidman, who thinks he is just misunderstood and railroaded. Also starring Matthew McConaughey as a self destructive, masochistic journalist who returns to a small Everglades town where his young brother, played by Zac Efron vainly tries to keep him from harm, and Macy Gray who tries to be the mother figure both boys lacked. Screenplay by Pete Dexter from his novel.

@@evelynwaugh4053 Thanks for the suggestion. Ill check it out.

I love that show but the dynamics between some of those folks leave me scratching my head

@@evelynwaugh4053 yes, I thank you for the suggestion as well. I'm disabled & always love to hear of good movies to watch/books to read.

@@fatbottombiker3038 I love that show as well.

Throw in a little Casey Anthony as well. LoL

Hahaha this case has gripped like no other that's for sure

@@franmellor9843 I heard that Scott Peterson is gearing up for his appeal soon? I've also heard that Casey Another is trying to help with his case and is coming out with a movie about her life that's going to include lots of steamy scenes. Interesting people for sure.

@@Peace-Love-Light yeah have heard about a film hope she doesn't make money....film also being made about cw too

@@franmellor9843 Yup and Im watching all of them. Side note: Doesn't Regina from the movie Mean Girls remind you of Jodi Arias?

Seem like lots of mother-in-law’s are just like his mama rebellious always questioning the life thank God I got out of a marriage like this one

He's got Anti social personality disorder along with being a covert/ victim narcissist...they lack empathy, feel little to no emotions and have an overwhelming sense of boredom. Only things like sexual activity and risk taking make them feel alive. They don't feel for their spouses, children, family. They're impulsive and like to break societal norms.

Absolutely. You're onto something there. I definitely believe his attachment pattern that was established towards his parents during childhood is insecure in some way. Ambivalent insecure attachment sounds about right to me for some reason.

I believe Shannan thought her medical condition made having children unlikely..? He was probably fine with that,Because it meant HE would get all her attention..then the kids came along and he spat his dummy out.

@@annmitchell4663 I also believe his "fighting with his parents" to marry Shannan was an act which he probably held over her head emotionally.

He told her he was separated, sleeping in the basement, and that divorce was imminent. Blaming Kessinger for what a sick man did to his children is, itself, sick.

Word 👆

He and NK and his family In Time will get punished By Jesus just as he will too

Oh his ultimate punishment is coming!

More likely she didn't really want to get married, regardless of what she said. She had said before that she attracted married men, and apparently she didn't demand they get rid of wife and children. Her pattern was to date married/noncommittal men and end up still single. This one blew up in her face.

@@catspajamas2961 yh i dont think nicole expected chris watts to go that far but i have a gut feeling she alluded to it /fantasized about it, i got the impression that she didnt care much a bout the murders

@@catspajamas2961 of course theres no evidence to support my opinion, but there are some red flags with nicole that i cant ignore, she seems to be very manipulative and i believe the reason for her saying 'nice' things about the kids and 'helping' chris plan his future are all tactics to make her appear as a nice, kind innocent woman. In reality we know that she didnt give a fuck about the kids or chris marriage. .She was going in to the family home unbeknownst to Shannan, which is highly disrespectful. She kept saying she felt uncomfortable going into "their space" but she still did it multiple times, probably to be nosey and i believe Nicole and chris had sex in that house for a thrill, no doubt. . She repeatedly planted seeds in Chris head that she wouldnt stay with him if he didnt leave his family, she wasnt cool with being a mistress like shes making out, she probably argued with Chris about it all the time. .She kept saying she didnt want kids and she was upset that she wouldnt be his "first" wife and babymama. .She said she was encouraging Chris to fix his marriage but at the same time was having sex with him 3-4 times a day and pushing him to think about his future without Shannan, telling him to pawn his wifes ring, telling him to check the market value of his house. There is a reason why Shannan said she feels guilty about Chris killing them, she felt like she played a part because she DID. The final flag, Chris told her his family was 'gone', she responded "what have you done", which indicates she was aware he was capable of such a thing. She then immediately deleted all their phone history and searched the internet about the scott peterson case and how much money his mistress amber frey recieved for her book deal. I believe Chris had alluded to her many times that he wanted his family "gone", That he wanted them to dissapear and that he wished he met Nicole first, and Nicole soaked it all up because she a narcissist, she felt good with him telling her this, a normal person would be disgusted that someone would wish for their kids to dissapear, and be concerned about it. Nicole fed his vile thoughts and she may not have expected him to go through with murder but she gave the fantasy life. There is also new footage of nicole leaving the family home on the day of the murder.. Shes trying to play the 'gullible mistress role', when she is actually a conniving bitch, she wanted to ruin that family from the beginning, she was jealous of shannan, she keeps gushing about what a lovely life Chris had with his beautiful wife and cute kids and big house, she wanted to destroy that. She pretended not to know who shannan was but had searched her up online a year before. She is full of shit

@@Neesi392 I agree that she appeared concerned about being found involved or her actual involvement thus the wanting all emails erased. My take is that, giving her suspicious behavior and given all the interactions (long phone calls, meetings, etc.) surrounding when the murders took place, that she's involved more that she is saying and I also feel she is trying to misguide people about her involvement (saying she didn't know he was married, he told him to go fix things with wife, etc.) I feel that she either knew more or influenced things more than she's wanting anyone to know and she is covering her tracks. It is possible, as you said, she may have been surprised he went through with it (did not expect it) or, ust like Chirs, she didn't anticipate he would be found out (didn't anticipate someone would call the poilce so soon before all things were taken care of).

en cee I'm not saying NK is a good person. But getting Shanann killed wouldn't make her his first wife. All of the things you list are evidence that NK is a selfish disrespectful person. They are not evidence of involvement in a murder plot, which is what's relevant. If Chris hadn't wanted a mistress, he wouldn't have gotten one. NK was a tool for him, which is what everyone in his life was if he was a psychopath. She was just the latest one. If it hadn't been her, it would have been another woman, and pretty soon too, I bet. The fact that she said, "what have you done?" (if true) tells me that she did not know what he had done. If she had been involved, she wouldn't have needed to ask. When someone makes up "facts" out of thin air, then passes judgement on someone based on their made up "facts," I know that the person is projecting their own fears onto the situation, not looking logically and objectively at the situation and analyzing based on genuine facts. It's really just a self-indulgent waste of others' time to post your own paranoid imagination and pretend it's an analysis. You walk down the street and you probably just walked by someone having an affair, and by a selfish homewrecker and they're saying the same kinds of things NK said. But there aren't hundreds of spousal murders a day where you live. There aren't many Chris-es around. I doubt NK had any idea the kind of person he is. Do you go around outraged about all the mistresses where you live? I bet not. NK is just the one you know about. She's not some unique monster that you need to analyze for paragraphs and go after for months on end. She's everywhere. You just don't have the emails and personal details on the others.

NK sounds like what you're describing. However, CW was lured by lust, not love. NK seduced CW. She uses her sex appeal to lure and manipulate weak men.

Why would he ask HER how much the ring was worth? HE was the one who bought it!

Exactly! They just say whatever is on their mind.

Yes, I would love for Dr Grande to do a video on limerence.