DEFCON 19: The Art of Trolling (w speaker)

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Күн бұрын

Speaker: Matt 'openfly' Joyce
Trolling is something that today has a very negative connotation on the Internet and in the common usage of the word outside of it. However, for better or worse trolling has long enjoyed a close relationship with hacking be it in the area of information security, or simply in technology development. I intend to delve into the definition of a troll, the history of trolling in human culture ( as well as its contributions ), and the techniques that are generally exploited by trolls to realize their intended goals. There will be several past projects that I classify as successful trolls that I will use as object lessons in the practical application of the discussed techniques. Trolls span the gaps between hardware and software projects and at times can carry a variety of "payloads".
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@NoxHypnotic 11 жыл бұрын

If he submitted the talk as a joke thinking it was going to be rejected like his other submissions. Does that mean Defcon trolled him by accepting it?

@Radi0he4d1 3 жыл бұрын

levels of trolling thought impossible previously

@VideoPod 2 жыл бұрын

Then would this mean I just time travel trolled? 9 years later?

@whizzingbye Жыл бұрын

Never gonna give you up never gonna let you down

@sky.the.infinite Жыл бұрын

@@whizzingbye 💀

@dtriplett03 6 ай бұрын

Never TrOll the TrOlls 🧌 😅

@DrugedSheep 10 жыл бұрын

Only a troll would leave his mouse pointer on the screen for the whole time

@kirkstable 5 жыл бұрын

Only a troll would notice and point that out

@g.e.o.x.x. 5 жыл бұрын

Damn he's good!

@therealjammit 5 жыл бұрын

I hovered my mouse pointer over it.

@Dasgath 4 жыл бұрын

@@therealjammit Me too! Now he has a little brother IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING SCREEN! *triggered*

@NodDisciple1 4 жыл бұрын

@@g.e.o.x.x. Clever girl...

@WTFWalrus 9 жыл бұрын

Best point: Being funny while trolling is key. A lot of people forget this point.

@filthymcnastyazz 9 жыл бұрын

WTFWalrus funny to whom?

@RobbieBussard 9 жыл бұрын

FilthyMcNastyAzz "Funny to yourself" does actually count here.

@filthymcnastyazz 9 жыл бұрын

Robbie Bussard I've seen one episode of trolling that was genuinely funny cos it was very clever and the other guy had kinda asked for it...the rest is just ppl being dicks, funny is something ppl share, being laughed at is what dicks do.

@filthymcnastyazz 8 жыл бұрын

Avon Barksdale right now it's your inflated self importance

@TubeofDestiny 8 жыл бұрын

+FilthyMcNastyAzz to people who have a sense of humor, simple as that :o

@EeveeFromAlmia 2 жыл бұрын

This talk is such an interesting time-capsule of early 2012, especially his language and the amount of troll faces here

@zeppelins4ever 11 ай бұрын

Ah, the good old days

@cycadaacolyte6349 5 жыл бұрын

A topic submitted as a troll, about trolling, that was then accepted to troll said troll on trolling. *We must go deeper*

@TheSymetrie77 9 жыл бұрын

"The metric system is retarded" LOL best troll ever

@MerlinsJester 8 жыл бұрын

+TheSymetrie77 You're really in denial, aren't you?

@jessvagnar4957 8 жыл бұрын

+MerlinsJester There's a reason he has 18 thumbs up and you don't!

@MerlinsJester 8 жыл бұрын

+Jess Vagnar herd mentality?

@jessvagnar4957 8 жыл бұрын

MerlinsJester I thought the pool was closed?

@MerlinsJester 8 жыл бұрын

Jess Vagnar You think?

@xinthralgaming 4 жыл бұрын

"It's like the TSA doesn't know the law", laughed so hard I almost knocked my chair over.

@baburik 5 жыл бұрын

uploaded in 480p to troll the future generations...

@dps9988 5 жыл бұрын

Legit

@leocurious9919 5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the shit sound quality.

@Sophie-zu7zi 3 жыл бұрын

@Your moms HITACHI actually the older the defcon is the better the sound quality is (normally). so i can confirm this has to be a troll

@matthewfanous8468 7 жыл бұрын

"if your going to be a dick, you better be funny" that is the most beutiful line i have ever heard... couldnt have put it better myself

@samposyreeni 12 жыл бұрын

One of the best ones so far. My two cents... Inject a reasonably small Markov-chain machine into a forum which adds swearing to some 10% of people's answers, rewrites another 20-30% into short, contentless, incendiary comments, and let the rest pass.Screencap like hell.

@Eric_Kabucha_ 9 ай бұрын

I have watched this video a billion times. I love Matt. He’s effortlessly funny and smart.

@blehe38 4 жыл бұрын

Who knew comedy existed as far back as 2010? They really are just like us

@fyggy5480 2 жыл бұрын

mindblowing

@Karagianis 4 жыл бұрын

If you like this, there's an old classic by John Cleese called "How to irritate people" it remains a foundation for effective trolling and is a must watch if you want to really irritate people while still being funny. :D It's kind of like the art of war, the details may be outdated, but the principles are timeless.

@krakenk7244 7 жыл бұрын

" do you believe in slavery" no it was just a conspiracy

@seditt5146 5 жыл бұрын

@@melgibson6331 Stop playing we all know it is a con by the African population in an attempt to weesle reparation money from the United states government. Stop believing everything you were told in history class sheep. It is really just a 419 I am the king of Nubia type scam. They want you to believe slavery existed so they can demand a refund!

@Jrez 4 жыл бұрын

There's your answer.

@legion162 4 жыл бұрын

Can believe that I watched the whole thing and actually enjoyed it.

@tomjeffersonwasright2288 8 жыл бұрын

One goal is to evoke the maximum number of words and effort in the response, with a minimum number of words and effort. Nothing like a 3 word line that gets some bozo typing for a half hour.

@mibdev 7 жыл бұрын

Jay Sun N00b

@ExEBoss 5 жыл бұрын

*Donald Trump:* “Build That Wall!” *Many, **_many_** people:* **proceed to write long essays on why a USA/Mexico border wall won’t work**

@hgcsm 5 жыл бұрын

human amplification attack

@GerbenWijnja 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah open a random video with some kind of interesting scientific experiment or so and simply comment: "fake". People will go through all kind of emotions in their replies.

@cunning-stunt 5 жыл бұрын

@@GerbenWijnja The reverse is to have a massive transcript already saved on the topic, written by someone else of course, and post that asap in response. True trolling is looking for the right comment to post a relevant essay on. Then go back and edit the comments after posting to make sure they gave to scan it again looking for a nonexistent edit.

@8898samuel 9 жыл бұрын

Comic Sans, pointer obstructing my view, his awful jokes - this is just a painful troll presentation.

@valentinlance8072 9 жыл бұрын

MY PENIS IS PARTICULARLY NORMAL. PENISES HAVE NO TASTE, EITHER. I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE. I totally agree. His political correctness throughout the whole thing ruined every bit of troll element in his presentation.

@sanchitverma2892 4 жыл бұрын

@@valentinlance8072 haha.

@joshua_tobler 4 жыл бұрын

Metatrolling

@RogerBarraud 4 жыл бұрын

I'm just glad youweren't the one they replicated OVER 9000 times...

@OfficialFlashDrive 8 жыл бұрын

This comment section has become a massive training ground to troll...

@parsec4757 5 жыл бұрын

Can i borrow your usb stick please?

@theapexsurvivor9538 4 жыл бұрын

No, it hasn't.

@KTP200 7 жыл бұрын

holy shit. this is some next level trolling.

@internethatemachine527 7 жыл бұрын

"Raise your hand if you can't here me" Lol! 11/10

@mibdev 7 жыл бұрын

Internet Hate Machine It was amazing. Wish I was there.

@kristypolymath1359 5 жыл бұрын

@@internethatemachine527 My dumb ass never picked up on that LOL

@TooLameToDie 11 жыл бұрын

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

@codesnap8477 9 жыл бұрын

I love how the demo gods don't fuck up THIS demo of all demos. It's like reverse trolling.

@stoffmeister7095 7 жыл бұрын

This is perhaps the best presentation I've heard on Defcon. Ever. I still watch this every now and then.

@richgallegos5807 5 жыл бұрын

"Fuck metric". Best thing I've ever heard on the internet.

@ownageDan 8 жыл бұрын

Trolling is a art.

@TunaStrata 7 жыл бұрын

*an

@Falos425 7 жыл бұрын

*yo'ur

@Laurent1110 7 жыл бұрын

Your're*

@Zach-qv8dd 7 жыл бұрын

You'er*

@mibdev 7 жыл бұрын

'reyou

@unsaltedskies 5 жыл бұрын

This talk was the whole 8.2296 meters.

@JohnSmith-xf5im 3 жыл бұрын

Missing the days when people were proud of being American

@Fusurugi 10 жыл бұрын

too bad the defcons dont put up microphones for audience responses or, at least, put transcripts on. can't hear most of the laugh inducers.

@superbroadcaster 4 жыл бұрын

I have unintentionally become a troll without realizing it... I'm so proud

@scottleft3672 4 жыл бұрын

Trump: You're welcome.

@KimRobertson 10 жыл бұрын

This whole thing was a troll.

@PaulSnedden 10 жыл бұрын

Is it worth a watch, Kim Robertson?

@DaveMuller 10 жыл бұрын

I thought it was, but I like defcon videos. The presenter was one of the poorer quality presenters I have seen but it was a laugh.

@SuperMachineElf 10 жыл бұрын

Paul Snedden watch it, he explains several social engineering skills in order to confuse, make laugh, make someone mad. It's pretty much all about the absurd

@Bardia323 10 жыл бұрын

No, it wasn't

@KimRobertson 9 жыл бұрын

@samposyreeni 12 жыл бұрын

Trolling isn't about the precise reaction or the method used to get it. It's about totally deadlocking a conversation. If you really want to do it right, you need to fuck up the whole social dynamic. What you're fuzzing ain't just an individual. It's the whole interface to a community. The ultimate aim is to get everybody else to chase each other down the hall, while they fully know that you were who caused it. The Grail.

@anzwertree 10 жыл бұрын

I learned everything I needed to know about trolling from Andy Kaufman. He was like the pioneer of trolling. I'm a huge Kaufman fan. I bought his action figures and everything. I even got that underground Christmas Special he did: Through the Wormhole, with Mel Gibson.

@MynameisFICTION 10 жыл бұрын

But do you have all of Andy Kaufman's ceset tapes? I think not.

@TorgieMadison 4 жыл бұрын

Speakers: REPEAT YOUR QUESTIONS INTO THE MIC.

@nonAehT 4 жыл бұрын

If you get mad about the part with the metric system, that just means he got you.

@avid0g 5 жыл бұрын

A- Just don't tell anyone at where I work. B- Where do you work?

@thestonethatthebuilderrefu5231 4 жыл бұрын

It's crazy that people openly talk about this and there are still people (the entire msm) that believe that the trolls are real and they really believe the things they say.

@error.418 7 жыл бұрын

The problem isn't that metric is shit, it's that base 10 metric is shit, the methodology is sound

@DryLog420 4 жыл бұрын

Christ... ... "First to survive early bulletin board systems" HAHAHAHAHAH

@holdmybeer 7 жыл бұрын

Mr. stabby haha brilliant

@HarunDanyal 11 жыл бұрын

This was the best talk I have ever seen from DefCon!

@nowpwning 7 жыл бұрын

hey does anyone know where that Irc log from the hackers movie is? his site no longer exists

@TS-yd2us 3 жыл бұрын

'If you're going to be a dick, at least be funny about it.' Preach sir

@OB.x 9 жыл бұрын

I gotta say, trolling was ALOT more fun, and easier when I drank.

@circattle 9 жыл бұрын

Proxy empathy with the victims.

@SuckMySemantics 5 жыл бұрын

To be fair, you were a lot more fun, and easier, when you drank.

@TheFinnmacool 4 жыл бұрын

@@SuckMySemantics I quit drinking once and that was the feedback I got. A terrible mistake.

@swine13 3 жыл бұрын

Im the opposite. Im an effective troll when sober. When im drunk, im "too mean". Im still effective, I guess, but I ruined relationships as well so it wasn't optimal And that's the unanimous word, too. Everyone would say id go too far, and when i asked what i did that was so bad they all just said "you were very mean". So i don't drink, now. 🤷‍♂️

@DantezMaritu 4 жыл бұрын

I miss this culture. Sadly it's mostly dead nowadays. Rip in pieces I suppose.

@TheFinnmacool 4 жыл бұрын

No, no, no it's not. Just hibernating.

@UserName-ii1ce 4 жыл бұрын

MDE Sam Hyde

@mauer594 4 жыл бұрын

It's still alive on the /k/ board

@swine13 3 жыл бұрын

Ripperoni in pizzas

@iamFegor 5 жыл бұрын

Where can I see the comics?

@ale-lx9gp 7 жыл бұрын

I've never seen anyone gets rick rolled live before

@howtomundane3109 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely genius move, he did there⬆️

@kurtownsj00 4 жыл бұрын

This talk is trolling the conference, NICE.

@imshaunnurse 4 жыл бұрын

I like the slide transition animation

@blackystolemybike 11 жыл бұрын

i beleive trolling is no different than laughing at disabled people. it's wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

@jwadaow 4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@jo31b 4 жыл бұрын

Trolling is society's greatest gift to humanity.

@jo31b 4 жыл бұрын

I approve this message.

@aumjayakishatriya2982 3 жыл бұрын

Started looking into Defcon Wikipedia page, in a half hour of reading the notable events and following on some I ended up at Darknet Market Wikipedia page. Very interesting that people would even sell their malware, yet alone one for stealing banking information for $500. These movies like Live Free or Die Hard makes it seem much more lucrative (for those that don't get caught or, until they do.) Also kinda weird one hacker would stop a malware attack on more so random users, then try using one to steal from a bank.

@oneevilchef 5 жыл бұрын

This should be redone as a TED talk

@icriealltiem8826 6 жыл бұрын

rest in peace matt joyce 😞

@harshbakori 5 жыл бұрын

"a big part of what we do is manifest destiny"

@DigitalicaEG 6 жыл бұрын

Best presentation, very engaging

@NigelNquande 4 жыл бұрын

I've always wondered with captchas: What would a cyborg do when presented with the "I'm not a robot" checkbox?

@TheSpurion 5 жыл бұрын

I didn't know Steve Rodgers was speaking at DEFCON. Nice talk Steve

@johnsmith-sp6yl 5 жыл бұрын

"i got a stiffie uh, niggas goin' flicky uh" -Sun Tzu

@Game_Vs_Life 7 жыл бұрын

I don't get it how can Christopher Walken be his running mate, how can they run together if one of them is Walken?

@SpaghettiEnterprises 5 жыл бұрын

He run slow, Chris walk fast. Democracy

@DaSheep 11 жыл бұрын

Nice talk and inside knowledge... Good job exposing Villian!!

@johndickerdown9225 5 жыл бұрын

Trolling is a gift. As I always say..."you can't troll an ogre"

@ryanwagner6715 4 жыл бұрын

Wow . The goverment was really trying to shutdown the Irish this whole time . Sounds about right . No wonder lucky charms are so expensive .

@Anvilshock 5 жыл бұрын

Ah, so the shitty audio at Defcons is just the sound guy trolling! Ohhhhh, I get it now. Yes. Well done.

@Rx7man 5 жыл бұрын

You're only allowed to use the imperial system if you write your numbers in hex

@luddity 6 жыл бұрын

Love the moosepad!

@Jrez 4 жыл бұрын

I understand trolling, but I still can't help but wonder why someone might choose to troll or make jokes about the things they do.

@creolicus2599 Жыл бұрын

cause it's funny

@bashkillszombies 9 жыл бұрын

That cursor drove me mental the entire video. .__.

@StarryNightSky587 7 жыл бұрын

icon directly above close link of defcon19 playlist banner - i see what you did there

@tenv 5 жыл бұрын

Some vintage memes from 2012

@DigitalicaEG 6 жыл бұрын

Dattebayo going back to subbing natuto 😂 this guy is OG

@Jay-ln1co 4 жыл бұрын

3:25 "Is that an Art?" No, trolling is a Art.

@hadinossanosam4459 4 жыл бұрын

Ctrl-C Ctrl-V 100 (also this is seven years old, good luck on getting someone to bite)

@IrenMasot 2 жыл бұрын

21:27 this man out here casually drinking a bottle of molasses

@bradnoyes7955 8 жыл бұрын

Should've named the robot Roberto

@MrAvolov 7 жыл бұрын

in london stabbing machine would probably be called ahmed

@butteredtoast8666 4 жыл бұрын

Person of the future: "mouse cursor, what's a mouse cursor? What's that arrow doing there on the screen for so long?"

@Walter_ 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that would happen in a world where diablo immortal succeeded.

@blairiana 8 жыл бұрын

Basically, he's saying all psychologists are trolls. True story.

@VerifyTheTruth 3 жыл бұрын

What Is An AntiTroll?

@Cobb 5 жыл бұрын

Tommy Faqueiux is basically Archer

@CongaYT 5 жыл бұрын

Didn't learn a whole lot but saw some good trolls

@JustinDejong 5 жыл бұрын

Should have uploaded this with no audio.

@KorvenKorvsson 7 жыл бұрын

What did the guy at 15:49 say?

@Ty-ri7dy 7 жыл бұрын

The Irish

@steveng1624 6 жыл бұрын

KorvenKorvsson *Irish*

@whizzingbye Жыл бұрын

Man trolled himself so hard just became a litAF Q&A lol

@MrFireinmycrotch 11 жыл бұрын

Best talk at defcon.its gr8 to take a break from all the tech shit for a little lol

@thepvporg 5 жыл бұрын

Dear DEF CON, if you want a qualified SOUND ENGINEER, give me a shout, I have lost count how many times you have feed back on your videos.

@aumjayakishatriya2982 3 жыл бұрын

4:43 Actually, he didn't. He states in Matthew that you are wicked if you try to befriend everyone.

@bugeman0 11 жыл бұрын

The first 2 pages of Google for Villian Lulzsec and for Villan Lulzsec lead to no results indicating someone named Villian or Villan was a member. Wikipedia does not list him as a member either.

@reiisthebestgirl 4 жыл бұрын

Oh boy how much the internet has changed.

@QuaaludeCharlie 4 жыл бұрын

Yep , See the Shirt and The Dome thing ? He is a Flat Earther too . I remember in the 70's we had those cute little Troll Dolls , Took me such a Long Time to Understand any modern meaning of a Troll , I think I am starting to Understand it :) QC

@evilutionltd 5 жыл бұрын

“You can’t halve it, quarter it or third it”. You just scored 1 out of 3.

@texasforever7887 5 жыл бұрын

Try 2 out of 3 moron

@evilutionltd 5 жыл бұрын

@@texasforever7887 But you CAN half 100, you CAN quarter 100 and you CAN'T third 100 with whole numbers. So, 1 out of 3.

@texasforever7887 5 жыл бұрын

@@evilutionltd you can do 2 out of 3

@evilutionltd 5 жыл бұрын

@@texasforever7887 He said "You CAN'T half it, quarter it or third it". Therefore, he got 1 out of 3 right because you CAN half and quarter it". Are you having problems with maths, understanding or recognition of the facts?

@casperado666 6 жыл бұрын

4:37 what's a K-Line

@procactus9109 6 жыл бұрын

lol, Metric system is way better than measuring everything in empire state buildings.

@Sevilou 5 жыл бұрын

Remember that time when Sesame Street channel on YT got hacked and then parents had to answer difficult questions irl?

@EkivIcon 11 жыл бұрын

I heard, the kids at sandy hook school were going to watch a movie the day of the shooting... but all they got was clips.

@jwadaow 4 жыл бұрын

common mistake is to confuse them with magazines

@user-yf8il6we2z 6 жыл бұрын

Trolling forums with tor was the best.

@heyarno 4 жыл бұрын

9/11? When the winged Hussars arrived!

@TrevorStruthers 10 жыл бұрын

LOOK CARTOONS!! Please ignore my annoying voice over of my own power point.

@bernardli9514 11 жыл бұрын

15:49 "the irish?"

@Wffghrdvh 7 жыл бұрын

This guy is the future me if I'm him in the future.

@bugeman0 11 жыл бұрын

I can't find any references to Villian, or Villan as a member of Lulzsec.

@TheIlluminatiRulersOfEarth 9 жыл бұрын

These are real words to live by.

@tri-septem7773 7 жыл бұрын

Wtf I watch damn near this whole thing and juggalos get brought up fuck yeah!

@mielole 5 жыл бұрын

I did not get ANY of the jokes in the first part ~till 7:35. I do not understand why the audience is laughing. Are they trolling me? Or is this based on American humor that I can't understand?