Clio 172 182 Cambelt change guide including dephaser & camshaft replacement + installation

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Clio 172 182 Cambelt change guide including dephaser & camshaft replacement + installation

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Stone Automotive

Күн бұрын

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@Neil80 11 ай бұрын

I think this is the first one I’ve seen on KZfaq where it’s been done properly!

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Neil 👍😎

@nobodyshero200 Жыл бұрын

KZfaq gold. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed 😎

@user-un4if4hi8s Күн бұрын

Nice video and nice car. I own a blue 172 ph2 too. Managed to get my timing as good as it can be, horseshoe rattling about in the cams, and now more overall torque and a nice extra kick between 5k an 6k. Anyone reading this and about to change their kits, MAKE SURE ONLY ORIGINAL RENAULT TOOLS ARE USED! Trust me! Like the ones in the video! All of them! The non OEM tools arent precise enough and the horseshoes bend. They have slack in the cams and on the crank. You will regret it! The original horseshoe is VERY tough and the original pin fits really precisely in the crank. Also check that you're really at TDC by looking for the line mark carved in the flyweel. It should line to the "0" line in the gearbox case. Check the opening below the crank position sensor! You will understand. Check the video at 11:09

@stoneautomotive Күн бұрын

Thanks 👍 Yep the after market tools are rubbish! Seen so many out of time when they have been used for cambelt replacement

@ngeddie1602 2 ай бұрын

Super helpful thanks for posting. Just changed belts all went well and your video gives those nice tips and tricks that aren't in the renault instructions.

@stoneautomotive 2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video and managed to get your belts changed 😎👌

@Fishfire140 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Videos like this are priceless in helping home mechanics like myself. I do mine myself but I remove the engine to do mine. A bit of an initial ball ache but it makes life immeasurably easier, and I always fit a new water pump at the same time.

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

It’s a much more enjoyable job out of the car that’s for sure 👍 Water pump was changed at the last belt swap 4 years ago, hadn’t even covered 4,000 miles so it was staying in place this time 😅

@Kasspirr 3 күн бұрын

I was shocked when I discovered that my K4M 862's whole timing assemble hold on just one bolt and I'm even more shocked that the sport version has the same. The magic of newton meters!

@stoneautomotive 3 күн бұрын

If all de-greased and tightened correctly I’ve never seen one slip/ move on naturally aspirated builds 😬👍 Fit a super charger to an F4R though and I have seen the crank pulley slip 🫠

@maikelnait4495 11 ай бұрын

Well done. Not too much material on Yt about this. Went thru this ca year ago with 172 and some solutions in this engine compartment really made me scratch my head. Thanks for posting👍👍

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Thanks and glad you enjoyed the video 😎 Once your familiar with the process it’s certainly not the worst job just many advising of the incorrect process sadly.

@MrBrenden830 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video , I have a project 172 that I started the belt change some time ago I just need to tighten the pulleys now I am going to. The six turns give me the confidence to finish.

@stoneautomotive 9 ай бұрын

Glad to hear 😎👍

@MrBrenden830 9 ай бұрын

Any tips on how to remove a water pump bolt ? Some num nut use a socket or a ring to tighten it and have rounded it off. I have a replacement and can remove the others it just such a bad spot.@@stoneautomotive

@stoneautomotive 9 ай бұрын

@@MrBrenden830 as long as the engine is jacked up as high as it can go the water pump replacement is not the worst job but if you’ve rounded the bolts off your in for some head ache now sadly ☹️

@iamjonwright 11 ай бұрын

I’d definitely feel more confident doing mine now after watching this. Great video.

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Glad to hear you enjoyed the video 👍 Once your comfortable with the process it’s really not a terrible job with the genuine locking tools

@coreywingrove458 Жыл бұрын

Really good video, I have seen a few of these on KZfaq but it seems you have taken a bit more time and done it the right way....credit to you and thanks for the time and effort its nice to see things done properly you made it look easy ....But i am sure its not just your talent and experience

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video 😎 Yea done a few of these and they’re certainly not a bad job if you take your time and use the correct locking tools 👍 Sadly there’s a few videos out advising the wrong process so hopefully mine keeps a few in good working order 😬

@samtyler9284 11 ай бұрын

Very helpful video. Thankyou very much. Gives me a little more confidence now doing mine 👍

@chilam6227 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant fingers crossed for 200 plus!

@jeffsx23 Жыл бұрын

I wish I had this a year ago when I did my belts/dephaser/water pump myself! My alternator died a few days after I finished the job too 😂

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

Well you have a guide now, better late than never 😅 To be fair the alternator had done 134k and was 21 years old.. just terrible timing lol

@jasonschembriify 8 ай бұрын

Nice work! Very thorough and well done.

@stoneautomotive 8 ай бұрын

Thanks 😎👍

@gregorrose8935 7 ай бұрын

I wish I had this video for reference when I changed mine back in lockdown

@stoneautomotive 7 ай бұрын

Hopefully watching it you didn’t have any “oh I didn’t do that” moments 😅

@gregorrose8935 7 ай бұрын

Just curious if there was a reason why you didn’t add a woodruff key to the crank pulley or the reenforced timing cover that people seem to recommend? I only heard about these upgrades after I’d done mine but wish I’d done them for extra peace of mind

@stoneautomotive 7 ай бұрын

@@gregorrose8935 I didn’t add one as it doesn’t need one 😅 if the bolts within spec and the correct torque is applied I’ve never seen an NA Clio move one! On the other hand if it’s super charged it’s a must as the drag on the super charger can slip the pulley

@gregorrose8935 7 ай бұрын

@@stoneautomotivesounds legitimate 👍 thanks again

@D4VE26 4 ай бұрын

Very nice cup! I have had one for nearly 10 years.. would love for it to go to someone like yaself n get some love ❤

@stoneautomotive 4 ай бұрын

Thank you 😎👍 Sadly I don’t offer service work these days except for close friends, not having a proper workshop makes it hard work but hopefully the videos help a few out 👍

@mikesphoenix_e46m3 Жыл бұрын

well what can i say just another great interesting video pretty long one at that but enjoyed every single minute of it mate im learning something bit by bit everytime

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

Probably a little to much detail for normal viewing but if some one fancies a DIY belt change it has the details covered 😬 One more Renault one and then it’s back to BMW’s 😅

@mikesphoenix_e46m3 Жыл бұрын

@@stoneautomotive no mate im enjoying this longer video i find it really interesting and like you say its good for someone that wants to do the diy same as your self 😉👌ps looking forward to more bmw contents aswell 😁👍

@jackc628 11 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks for sharing! 🇫🇷 💪

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Thanks & glad you enjoyed it 😎👍

@samtyler9284 10 ай бұрын

Hiya mate, I’ve done exactly what you’ve done and I had to change the ECU too/ injectors and so on. I’ve done it and timing seems to be fine and turns over with loads of compression by hand but as soon as I turn it over with the ignition it has compression for the first cycle and then just spins the starter motor with no compression

@Carrotcruncher 10 ай бұрын

Great vid again bud fair play it's looking good top work 👍🏍💨

@stoneautomotive 10 ай бұрын

Thanks mate 😎👍

@scotspie501douglas7 11 ай бұрын

wow great video always have kittens doing timing belts on the cars I have owned

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Thanks & hopefully helps 😬👍

@simongb7897 11 ай бұрын

Tight Tight stuff.. blimey they pack it in. Thankfully I didn't try this myself, but took it to Clioman, Littlehampton excuse the plug.

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Yep not spoilt for room in that engine bay 😅

@jamiemacfarlane457 11 ай бұрын

Great video

@77jfh 10 ай бұрын

Awesome job. Enough technical info in there without crapping on. I do have a quick question though... If someone may have bought the 'upgraded' (keyed) Meg bottom sprocket, how does one do complete that step where you had the crank and cams locked, but were moving the belt around to even it out? I've gone and made things difficult for myself, haven't I... Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It's long way in between blokes that know this stuff in Australia. Also, i didnt see exactly which of the locking gears you were using, as there were two different ones? I borrowed a set of the Renault tools from a friend, but they are all jumbled up...

@stoneautomotive 10 ай бұрын

Glad you appreciated the video 👍 I’ve heard the RS Clio’s are very rare in Oz so hopefully the video helps a few! The only time I would ever advise the woodruffed crank pulled would be on a super charged application so much easier to go back to the original 😅 You’ll see how the pulleys work once on, if you don’t use the “longer cog” one it will pull the exhaust pulley trim away.

@css172 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video! Well produced and informative. Fingers crossed you crack that 200bhp+ Did you not need to change the water pump as well?

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate 👌 It didn’t make 200bhp, dyno was yesterday 😭😭😭 next weeks video lol Water pump is run off the aux belt so not as crucial as say a VAG set-up, I did replace it 4 years ago, has only done 3,000 miles since 😅

@css172 Жыл бұрын

@@stoneautomotive Ahh ok! shame you didn't crack the 200 but i'm sure you got very close to it. Looking forward to the dyno video next week.

@VLOGISGARAGE 22 күн бұрын

Hi, you said that you can reuse crank bolt. Do you know can i reuse flywheel bolts?

@stoneautomotive 19 күн бұрын

You will need to check the manual if there’s a stretch tolerance for re-using, from memory (few years back now) I always replaced them

@davyboy888 8 ай бұрын

Great video... You mention that you do/did this job a lot. Like many 1*2 owners these days, my Clio gets minimal use. In fact there's just over 1000 miles on it since the last time I did the belts, however that was 4 years ago. What are your thoughts on replacing the belts [particularly the cambelt] based on elapsed time alone ? In other words, replacing the belt even though the belt will have done a tiny fraction of it's lifing.

@stoneautomotive 8 ай бұрын

Hi, Sadly the lack of use/ mileage is worse for the cambelt as it goes brittle and starts to retain the shape of how it’s been parked. I did about 3,000 miles on the last belt in 5 years and to be honest it still looked in good order when removed but with the price of used F4R engines going through the roof I certainly wouldn’t push it past the factory time frames

@richard21-e 5 ай бұрын

Fantastic video, what was the difference between the pulley lock up for the vvt and not vvt? And how did you lock up the crank to tighten the bolt and slacken the pin without bending the timing pin?

@stoneautomotive 5 ай бұрын

The non vvt is done the same as the exhaust pulley (30nm and 90 degrees from memory) The crank is locked with a lever bar but found it impossible on your own to hold it under tension. Never bent a Renault crank locking pin, wouldn’t do it with a patten one mind.

@richard21-e 5 ай бұрын

@@stoneautomotive I did the dephazer on my car this weekend, I have an aftermarket TDC pin so I didn't risk it BUT I found the perfect lock up tool is a 6mm allen key in the ring gear window, stays in on its own. Maybe you could try it and see what you think.

@aravano85 Жыл бұрын

Super,, piston engine is 172 rs

@ffe5768 6 ай бұрын

Why the water pump haven’t been change after so much work?

@stoneautomotive 6 ай бұрын

It had a brand new Renault item fitted at the last cambelt change 4 years ago, hadn’t even done 2,000 miles so seemed pointless changing (seen originals cover over 100k without failing on many occasions)

@VLOGISGARAGE 4 ай бұрын

Hello i see that you are in to renaults and maybe you can halp me. My harmonic balancer failed. And i undone the bolt with inpact gun. I didnt know that some renaults doesnt have noch on the crank pulley. My car is megane 2 2000cc 136hp f4r. did you know if it has noch on the pulley and the timing is ok?

@stoneautomotive 4 ай бұрын

Once the pulley is off you should be able to see the woodruff key (if it’s fitted or not) sadly if it’s not fitted and you’ve tried to start the engine it will have bent valves

@VLOGISGARAGE 4 ай бұрын

@@stoneautomotive It doesnt have woodruff key. The shop that did the timing belt didnt put it. And the car run fine. There is a mark done by the shop and the crank pulley didnt move. Im going to get timing tools see if everything is in place and assemble the car without woodruff key

@VLOGISGARAGE 4 ай бұрын

The Haynes manual for the Lag 2.0 Litre clearly states and I quote. The design of the camshaft and crankshaft timing belt sprockets are slightly unusual in that no method of positive location of the sprockets (such as that afforded by a Woodruff key) is employed..

@21htg 11 ай бұрын

Great Video! I was wondering how did you lock the crankshaft for tighten the crank pulley ? Did you only use the pin? And I also have the problem that every time I set the right position for the horseshoe the cams slightly rotate backwards. Maybe you have an idea how to keep the cams in place. Thanks!

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Thanks 😎 Officially your supposed to support the flywheel with a lever bar but I’ll be honest your not doing that on your own and even with two the flex in the bar etc would loose any support as the pin holds it dead straight. Again this is the importance of using the genuine locking tools as I’ve never bent a Renault crank pin 👍 The camshafts do move but also have a small amount of resistance so can be position by hand one at a time with the horse shoe and then the bar will go straight in without any real force to rest them 👍

@creedynotechnique Ай бұрын

Hi, anyone know how to centralize the exhaust cam sprocket on to the camshaft, there is about 3mm of movement ?, feels like there should be a small shim that would slide over the exhaust cam bolt to take up the slack when putting the cam sprocket back on....when i finally tightened the bolts after fitting the belt the exhaust cam sprocket is bobbing up and down with each revolution

@stoneautomotive Ай бұрын

The exhaust camshaft should have a tight tolerance to the exhaust pulley, sounds like you’ve either fitted the wrong pulley or camshaft I’m afraid.. or your not working on a Renault sport 172/ 182 😅

@creedynotechnique Ай бұрын

@@stoneautomotive it's a 172 cup, had it a while..Decided to do belt change change because of slight misfire, bouncing timing advance on tickover fluctuating between 5 and 18 tdc and a noticable loss of low to mid torque,...Ex hill climb car that's been mapped with v6 airbox, sports cat etc, been a pain in the arse. Changeg tappets and cams, also mated up the pulley to the old cam to make sure i wasn't going mad and exactly the same amount of movement. Do you think making a shim from a piece of tube would work, similar to a spigot ring spacer used in wheel fitting ? Followed your guide, got proper tools etc.. Thanks for the reply anyway fella

@stoneautomotive Ай бұрын

@@creedynotechnique have you tried seating the pulley without the belt in place to test fit the pulley? Really sounds like it’s just not going back onto the exhaust camshaft in that case

@creedynotechnique Ай бұрын

Will try that tomorrow, cheers

@brenrowe2042 5 ай бұрын

RPD are our of the aux belt kits and the aircon car kits. Any ideas where else we could get them?

@stoneautomotive 5 ай бұрын

There’s a few genuine kits on eBay but seem to be all the money 😱

@brenrowe2042 5 ай бұрын

@stoneautomotive yeah clio parts have gone mad. The pms 200 cell cat was £250 two years ago.... now its £450?!

@dannydavies9147 10 ай бұрын

Great video, do the same rules apply to the clio 200? I’m replacing the depasher pulley aswell Do you know if all the torques are the same for the 200? Thanks

@stoneautomotive 9 ай бұрын

Slightly different process with the Clio 200 but not a million miles apart in the process 👍 Pass on the torque settings, been a long time since I’ve done a 200

@samtyler9284 11 ай бұрын

Where is the best place to get the Renault locking tool. Do Renault stock it, I have the 7* cam tool but I need the locking pin also.

@stoneautomotive 11 ай бұрын

Hi, Yes Renault stock the locking tools 👍

@andyrantshumanphilosopher7571 10 ай бұрын

Ive got a regular 1.2 a d for the life of me, cannot find how to replace the air con belt idle/tensioner pulley.

@stoneautomotive 10 ай бұрын

I’ve only ever worked on the Renault Sports so unable to assist I’m afraid

@andyrantshumanphilosopher7571 10 ай бұрын

@@stoneautomotive all good. Its the retainer cap thing giving me problems. Its got angled sides so you can't use a spanner. I think its torx ended tho but its getting a ratchet and bit between it and the wheel arch thats causing me problems. Might have to resort to mole grips.

@chilam6227 Жыл бұрын

I might be getting a kangoo 172, i know it will need recomissioning and belts etc who would you recommend?

@stoneautomotive Жыл бұрын

Andy at Engine Dynamics, he’s even mapped one recently with some trick bits 😎