I have done that in Football Manager. Doesn't diminish his REAL abilty at all.Best Manager England never had.

Guardiola could never do it. Not fit to lace Cloughs boots.

I really miss him...spoken as a Baggies fan.

Peter Taylor was also a huge cog in the machinery. Look how clough failed at Leeds without him(amongst other reasons)...Taylor did the scouting, Clough the man management.

@@paulthrutner9114 Peter Taylor was underrated as a scout. Was one of the best at finding good players especially in the lower leagues that Cloughie could turn into first division footballers.

IF the backstabbers at bellend road had listened he's have won them a european cup, shame on them.

I concur.

defo

Agreed

Does not beat Leicesters Premier League league win.

As a Rangers fan I'll always have a special place in my heart for Gerrard and similarly I have profound respect for Clough's legendary achievements 👍

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I did , he was magnificent. x

Rmbr Justin Fashanu. He destroyed a young footballer on the strength of one great goal. His career nosedived & he committed suicide. I can't forgive him. He was a bully & destroyed careers also. Bob Paisley was a great manager & looked after players & bought wisely. If players stood up for themselves he got rid. Stan Bowles, Hugh Curran. A dark side.

@@seltaeb9691 every genius is flawed somewhere

Prat

Where's the joke? He was a soulless bully, a wolf in sheeps clothing.

that was with Peter taylor ...that story

@@young321bookie you obviously didn't really know the man. The joke he was basically saying was he's always right!

ron sae be quiet you hurt woman

ie get to stand in my shoes, then see if you still want to ask this effeminate question

You're wrong, Cloughie never had an equal at that time, which makes him unique. By your reckoning there would of been 7.5 cloughies if it's one in a Billion.

Here Here.

@@kwakgreen When Cloughie started there was Bill shankley, Bob Paisley liverpool were the dominant team, when he was at Derby he had Leeds and Don Revie to contend with on a very limited budget.

Then Jurgen Klopp came along.

I blame Clough for that. He mentioned in his autobiography that he wouldn't answer Taylor's calls. Clough had heard rumours that Derby were interested in signing John Robertson and he should have stopped the transfer if he didn't want it to happen. He was the manager, after all.

Just add Bryan Robson to that list!

Indeed my friend

@@jimmymcgill713, you mean drunk?

@@DrewMurray1874 is that the best you can aba Daba drew?

Shit didnt know more was dead gutted he never got the credit motion got and I thought he was better

The world is a much poorer place without men like Brian Clough. I grew up with him being on TV all the time. Some of the things he came out with. Like taking the Leeds Utd job, then calling them bad champions? God, we miss you Sir Brian Clough. He should have been England manager and knighted aswell.

Leeds fans, obviously

Yeah. I'll second that. Brian Moore was my favourite commentator. Him and Barry Davies.

@@TheRaveMusicArchive Yeah, Moore really loves the game, Clough must be the most successful british manager ever, great the way he give's murdoch a kicking, ahead of his time, his views on school football are still sadly not happening.

@@Kidraver555 successful but Bob Paisley is still the most successful English manager . Alex Ferguson is the nost successful British manager. Clough took smaller teams to unheralded success & is a Legend.

@@Buck555fast And Malcolm Allison is the best manager with a fedora 😁

Curb the swearing please. Thanks.

Absolutely.

Absolutely

@David Robinson yes, agree. That was all very sad. And I think you're dead right, about the effect it had on Cloughie. He wasn't going to go to Taylor's funeral. But his family made him. Said you've been mates for many years, you used to have his kids climbing all over your shoulders. Jolly well go. And he did.

@David Robinson exactly!

He was quality

But he earned it. No fluke. He was a great striker himself with a strong work and social ethic. Many great people get soft and relax when they have some success. Clough was his own man and strong willed. Driven with a good character. Too bright and outspoken for the English FA. And all this bollocks about tapping players up - this was how it worked 50 years ago - it was who won the heart and mind of a player and their family / guardians, who got there first. Brian would drive 300 miles through the night to make an offer face to face. He got them a good fee (like Trevor Francis). I call that determination and effort. Nothing corrupt at all.

He also was a bully & his destruction of young Justin Fashanu was deplorable. He wasn't a £million pound player like Trevor Francis. He bought him on the strength of one great goal. Crazy & bad management. Fashanu just wilted with the pressure & got thrown to Notts County for a fraction of the £million he spent. The poor lad went to the dogs & commited suicide. Norwich also grabbed that million instead of growing his talent. Clough had plenty bad too.

@@seltaeb9691 He made him train on his own, when he found out he was gay.

Me too actually. The silly stubbornness of men. They clearly missed AND needed each other x

Bob Paisley. Sir Bob, Sir Bill, Sir Matt. Sir Jock. I Knighted them ;-)

I agree with you

Peter Taylor was behind the footballing side of things and clough wouldn't have got to where he did without him

That Random Bloke met Brian Moore ❤️

Arlingtonandy returns Oh right? What was he like?

david coleman better [ moore wasnt patriotic, always thought foreign players were better [ too pessimistic

Damn right.

Yeah I picked up on that one. Very wise words.

you think he would have got England to play that way?

Can you imagine anything comparible to this today? Titles delivered in the same decade of the biggest rivals. And would have been European cups delivered if Derby never got robbed by Milan

Yep...to win one European cup is difficult enough but to win two on the trot with the likes of Forest ,no disrespect, but... probably will never be done again....

***** Hmm,that's a tricky one.They were both great players,but came from different eras. I think Clough had retired before Shearer was even born. Wikipedia gives us that Clough scored 251 goals in 274 games,against Shearers 283 goals in 559 games,both excluding any representative games. So on goals per game,Clough wins hands down,but he was playing a lot in the old Second Division,(now The Championship),whilst Shearer played in the top Divisions. I'm going from memory there,so forgive me if mistaken. Shearer also took penalties,and his total includes about 60 successful spot kicks.Really impossible to say who was the best,I'd take either of them.

yep, huge rivals, huge animosity, but at the same time, huge respect and class - thats a proper human being

SAF?

@@SuperFerdie1965 He can fuck off.

@@chrismartin1231 You going to say that to him? 😂😂

@@SuperFerdie1965 You stick to your Fox news while I ll pave my own order. Good day!

I can’t even fathom what Clough did at Forest happening in this day and age. Taking a team in the Championship and in just three seasons winning the Premier League and champions league (twice) is essentially what he did. The closest comparison is what Nuno is doing at Wolverhampton, but until he wins something, Clough is still in a league of his own

+john wells I like Mourinho but he's not a decent sized pimple on Brian Clough's ass.

This guy spoke his mind with honesty, Mourinho is just a self-obsessed ranter.

+john wells He was tremendous as a team builder, incredible taking Derby and Forest to the top, with Taylor, but not so great alone or at maintaining top standard for very long, as Ferguson was. Mourinho's Champions League with Porto, treble with Inter were exceptional and he did very well at Chelsea till this season. Clough's style was better than Mourinho's though. The split with Taylor and his alcohol problems were a great pity.

mizofan Ferguson and Mourinho only managed big city sides with pots of money to spend. I wonder how both of these two would have fared with lesser sides. Let's not forget that in 28 years of managing Man U, Ferguson only won 2 Champions League trophies. Against Bayern they were outplayed for 90 minutes and against Chelsea the penalty slip by Terry was the deciding factor.Brian Clough performed miracles and made lesser players into top class ones.

+john wells Ferguson managed Aberdeen and broke the Celtic-Rangers domination of titles, and won the European Cup Winners Cup. Name a manager who has achieved that in Scotland since. It was because of his feats with Aberdeen i had faith he would do well at United. Porto have not won the Champions League since Mourinho left, neither have Inter Milan. Clough did indeed perform miracles with Derby and Forest, but he failed at Leeds (reigning champs- albeit in a tricky situation and not given enough time, he still handled it poorly) and had a hard time at Brighton. His career ended sadly with relegation and alcohol problems and I repeat he was not so great without Taylor, who deserves more credit than he often gets. I think if they had been in charge of the national team there would have been a good chance of England winning a major trophy. You mention Ferguson having some luck in Champions League finals, but Mourinho was unlucky with Chelsea. Cup competitions do involve more luck than league titles generally, Barca had luck in winning more than once too. Clough was unlucky in one semi-final with Derby v Juventus, No doubt there was some element of bad luck for United as well as good in Champions League. My point is that they have all been excellent managers, none perfect, with different strengths, Ferguson the best overall, i.m.o, for the full length of his career and achievements.

If he had the England job, he would have played a 4-3-3 in reality, possibly Francis/Regis/Woodcock in a trident for the 1982 WC..brought in properly players like Statham/Cowans/Viv Anderson/Morley/Hoddle/Devonshire and better used players like Mariner..and played Shilton in goal not Clemence..

Yep he would have needed his staff with him..

i second that

Still got it on vhs! I'm sure it's on here...well it was?

I'm not sure if honest is an entirely accurate description.

The FA wants a yes man

@@stevenwebb3634 Thats why the England Manager gets obscene amounts of Money . "Here you go heres your money , now do as your told and keep your mouth shut" . (regarding behind the scene's).

Clough would not have tolerated Busby sitting on his shoulder and all that type of thing. When O'Farrell replaced Busby he had to force him to vacate the manager's office.

Busby could not relinquish control and the players still looked to him for advice. Cloughie wouldn't have stood for that for sure.

Their was a lot the people who thought like this and now the media won’t even engage with minds like this today, let alone employ them 🤎

Murdoch receives and has for years received, abuse and withering disdain from the bien-pensant cognicenti who think the world owes them a living. Cloughie was a Thatcherite without knowing it.

Had he been the manager at England, he would’ve at the very least led them to the World Cup final, if not win it. His man management was what set him apart. Tough, demanding, a bit abrasive at times but he got results and his players played their asses off for him

After howard kendall

After howard kendall

Phil Jackson 😎

Couldn't agree more.

Dad's eh? You don't want to hurt their feelings when you're young. My dad despised Ayrton Senna and McLaren and only after he died (Ayrton) did I come to appreciate the man's genius behind the will and Ron Dennis' management.

Pity you can't spell his name correctly...

And it's a pity that you're a pedantic wanker.

Well.said .. Many Top Forest players went on to become Superstar players for Manchester United

I'm a Bury supporter and was at the game when Brian collided with our goalkeeper Chris Harker. Brian Clough (and Peter Taylor) took Derby County and Nottingham Forest from the 2nd Division to 1st Division Champions and onto Champions of Europe with Forest with a team of miss-fits who he turned into giants. A feat unparalleled in the history of Football. RIP Brian

David Cummings......You changed clubs? Unforgivable.

@@merseydave1 Ok, you are excused.

Manfred Williams, I wish it wasn't an unforgivable sin. I'm a Blackburn Rovers fan and the past ten years have been fucking unbearable. I'd drop the useless cunts in a heartbeat if it weren't for the unwritten rule.

maybe as a Watford fan, That job was better left to Sir Graham Taylor. (tongue in cheek!!)

My thoughts exactly. England was (and still is) run by complete and total tits. RIP Sir Brian Clough, we will never see the likes, every” again.

I totally agree with you it's ludricues that brian clough was never made england he could've made a brilliant england manager but they didn't give the job to him because he was outspoken and he would have run the fa and they didn't like that what he done with derby county and nottingham forest taking them to the top with small clubs it's outstanding he was a genius