Clutchless Variable Displacement Compressor

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Clutch-Less Variable Displacement AC Compressor.
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Due to the ever increasing fight for high efficiency and fuel economy, automobile manufacturers, especially in Europe, have developed the clutch-less AC compressor. Sanden being one of those compressor manufacturers, has develop the PXE series variable displacement AC compressor, which we'll use as a study example for this technology. On standard compressors, the belt turns a pulley with an electric clutch. When you turn on the AC, the clutch engages, and the piston starts pumping to compress the refrigerant. There are two problems with this traditional approach. One, a compressor needs a fair amount of power. In cars with small engines, the engagement of the clutch to activate the compressor puts a big load on the engine, especially if it is idling. Two, the compressor will produce low flow or not enough when the engine is idling, and high flow when the engine is at high RPM and possibly too much refrigerant flow.
In 1985, Delphi then Harrison, developed the V5 variable displacement compressor. In early 2003...
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@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

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@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

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@MaicSalazarDiagnostics 6 жыл бұрын

All your videos have great information, thanks for sharing!

@parksfv4281 Жыл бұрын

so glad my college class in 2023 is making me watch a video from 9 years ago

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

Cool, which school?

@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

It's not that it's more expensive, it's that it is a newer technology. But you'd be amazed at how many cars are now using this latest AC development. Often times they don't even advertise it because folks don't know much about AC systems, so it'll just confuse the public, but it's there. Yesterday I saw a tiny KIA with GDI or gasoline direct injection (just finished the series for that) and I was shocked. So look close next time. It may have a VD compressor. Thanks

@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting.

@erikaguilarmtz4511 8 жыл бұрын

its amazing sir thanks for every tutorial you teach everyone

@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@PhoeniX198877 11 жыл бұрын

I love the way you break down your explanation of all things auto-mechanical, however if you would just do a normal voice over it would make your videos sooo much better.

@omaradan8062 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sir, Great observation channel

@modusoperandi31 10 жыл бұрын

thanxs for todays class fellas...modus.

@briansmobile1 10 жыл бұрын

Sharing is caring! : )

@jimwalsh7088 7 жыл бұрын

Holy cow! The audio explanation makes this simple device sound very complicated! If you just look at the animated diagram, the operation becomes very clear.

@user-jw1fz7hz5w. 2 жыл бұрын

It really exaggerates things

@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

Not possible at this time. Our intentions is to keep teaching people using whatever resources we can find. thanks for sharing.

@AmalgmousProxy 9 жыл бұрын

Although the compressor has a low internal failure rate due to continuous internal lubrication, the pulley bearings stil fail. Unfortunately most manufacturers don't sell the pulley bearing separately forcing people to buy the whole compressor. These compressors can be double what common clutched compressor cost.

@ADPTraining 9 жыл бұрын

Amalgamous Proxy Thanks for sharing. You might be able to get the bearing from the bearing manufacturer. There are not that many of these around, but it might take some research to find them.... www.autodiagnosticsandpublishing.com/auto_repair_equipment_catalog.html

@sankarsiva5159 6 жыл бұрын

Sakkibv vatha

@teravolt6113 5 жыл бұрын

Trust me, let it run without refrigerant (what happens when the AC system has a leak and the owner just doesn't care about it and lets it run dry), rev it, and the compressor seizes. No refrigerant means no lubricant flow across the system and whatever is left inside the compressor either gets pushed out (remember, no VDC can ever reach absolute 0% displacement; if that were to happen, you'd need to tear it up to bring the pistons back into stroke) or carbonizes pretty soon due to the intense frictional heat. A clutch equipped VDC is much much more reliable than this stuff.

@trevorjudd516 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Thanks heaps.

@ochayabratique879 9 жыл бұрын

Just what I need a very good explanation

@ADPTraining 9 жыл бұрын

Thank you...

@boomerguy9935 2 жыл бұрын

I have this Sanden in my 2008 VW Rabbit Mk 5 and I love it! With over 157K miles on it, the system has been trouble-free. However, the OEM solenoid was not a good design and did not allow the compressor to cool fast enough or cool enough. I replaced it with an upgrade RKX AC Compressor Control Valve Solenoid which makes it work perfectly, faster and cooler. I do have one question: What controls the coolant temperature, fan speed? If I want it to be less cool with the fan at low, I can only add warm air to it. Great video!

@gauravbajpai4062 11 жыл бұрын

Very heplful video .every thing was clearly explain .Renault using Sandan make compressor.

@hydronationpakistan5167 3 жыл бұрын

Informative and well explained.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

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@ADPTraining 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting.

@shimon2476 11 жыл бұрын

Very nice thanks

@t0nito 4 жыл бұрын

00:40 "When you turn on the A slash C..." LOL

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

CONTINUED FROM 1: The end result is that at the expansion valve outlet, there's cold refrigerant but enough to cool a lower volume if passing air through the evaporator. This is that same as cycling the old style compressor clutch, but much more efficient. Pressures should remain at the standard or around 39 PSI low and about 250 PSI High. Fluctuation may change a bit of course, but that's the rule of thumb for r134 and even the older r12. Makes sense?

@BullyRod 10 жыл бұрын

can this be used on an Vintage air system?

@powerplaykarpatin 7 жыл бұрын

If the solenoid (valve regulated) supplies a voltage of 12 volts, how many (mm) moves the needle in it

@briansmobile1 11 жыл бұрын

Seems this was inspired by helicopter design. When these compressors fail the shaft shears and only the outer ring spins.

@ADPTraining 10 жыл бұрын

It would need a controller to be able to operate the displacement solenoid, but I think it's doable. thanks for sharing.

@rattlewagon73 11 жыл бұрын

Learning A/C at the moment so far pretty simple... But what is the best way to identify this type of system?

@bobspeedw210 11 жыл бұрын

hi, i have the same system in my mercedes w203, the compressor dosent boost the gas, so i opened it and look inside, nothing special, it will be the electro valve faulty? what you suggest? thanks a lot :-)

@sivucit 11 жыл бұрын

Hi, what is the relation to crank case pressure to suction or discharge pressure. In non variable ac compressor, I understand suction and discharge. I am not able to relate to crank case pressure. What is this pressure and how is it related.

@BullyRod 10 жыл бұрын

is that controller available at a dodge, chrysler dealer?

@GammaCruxis 11 жыл бұрын

WOnderful, wonderful. Thanks again Mandy! I do have a question - with this approach to an AC compressor - I wonder why more automobiles don't use this type of system? Even today - we still see the typical electromagnetic clutch on belt-driven compressors. It it more expensive for this option?

@fidelcatsro6948 2 жыл бұрын

im guessing its more expensive.. sorry it took 9 years before a reply came!

@macknumber9 2 жыл бұрын

2012 kia optima clutchless compressor....cold air only when revving rpms up to 2500 rpm...low pressure side is high at idle and warm air out of vents....raise rpms and it lowers but is still high and air is cold out of vents...bad solenoid valve? Maybe sticking and not opening all the way? When rpms increase it spins more but displacement never gets biggers because solenoid valve is not letting it?

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Go to my site and get the PWM Controller

@Usmanthemecano 6 жыл бұрын

Just finding about this kind of compressor today... I misdiagnosed an ac issue because I thought the clutch was spinning regardless of the switch being on... Now I know.

@alaaomraneg 4 жыл бұрын

I have a question. In cars with variable displacement compressors, it is supposed that the compressor is operating as long as the car motor is rotating. So, what does exactly pressing the AC switch button do in this case?

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

100% duty cycle.

@SpicyRoll-m4r 2 жыл бұрын

My nissan tiida has a variable compressor with clutch only engage when ac on.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Ok, normal

@fidelcatsro6948 2 жыл бұрын

Wow!!! Engine piston propulsion and flywheel rotation should be made and designed this way!! Im calling up Toyota right now! Why didnt you show me this design earlier 9 yrs ago?

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

@robertomulero514 Жыл бұрын

Would this be the same style thats in a clutchless Denso ac compressor? I just found out my 2010 Corolla has a clutchless compressor. I never heard of them before. Thanks.

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

Most folks don't know about it. And most techs don't either.

@enzore2420 5 жыл бұрын

Questo procedmento si adottava gia' trenta anni orsono negli essiccatori dell'aria compressa. Quelli costruiti negli anni 60 ancora funzionano. Il problema e' solo quello che oggi non ce' piu' il tempo per formare professionalmente il personale, quindi speriamo che il concetto dia buoni risultati nel tempo.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

@armindoferreira5886 5 жыл бұрын

Very good ! Like !…

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

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@sandeepvyas8142 4 жыл бұрын

Hello sir can you send any video on cluch type variable compressor diagnosis.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

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@williamturczynski7683 7 жыл бұрын

Constantly moving internal parts need lube as mentioned in video but what happens if the refrigerant charge along with the oil is lost due to a leak?

@carlosmejia5728 7 жыл бұрын

Then you're doomed !

@teravolt6113 5 жыл бұрын

Even if there's no refrigerant at all some oil may remain inside the compressor's crankcase and keep things lubed up (albeit very noisily) until you forcefully rev the engine. If it gets revved up too much, the oil can get pushed away inside the discharge piping and leave things inside unlubed, or heat up too much due to the intense friction (with a proper refrigerant charge, the compressor's internals are cooled down by the cold suction gas; keep in mind that some friction is always there even if it's at minimum stroke because minimum stroke is NEVER 0 stroke) and degrade into something that no longer functions as a lubricant. That's when everything seizes up. These compressors don't have a sump and a dedicated oil pump unlike what you find inside, for example, a Valeo TM-31.

@dargindarginec9561 5 жыл бұрын

How does the piston stroke increase due to the valve? I can not figure it out.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

@whitesheatingairappliancer7101 3 жыл бұрын

Saur sunstrand used the swash plate method in there bdp and bdu pumps in the late 80's and 90's.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@czg2012 4 жыл бұрын

2014 kia rio. idling in a desert summer, above 100°F. i have to pump the gas pedal to rev up the engine, to get colder air . otherwise, the ac air at idle (in a triple digit ambient temp) is only cool but not cold enough to relieve. never had such a problem with a 2004 pontiac that used a clutching ac compressor.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

@mahenderraj9499 4 жыл бұрын

Variable ac compressor have any change while giving acceleration?

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@dargindarginec9561 5 жыл бұрын

I can not find out by what the piston stroke increases. What causes the piston pusher to twist?

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Don't know

@janosgregor3844 8 жыл бұрын

In my e87 BMW it starts and stops working randomly. Very annoying.

@GammaCruxis 11 жыл бұрын

Oh sorry - I was a bi it off. I meant that, you said that it was developed in 1985 - yet I see 2000+ cars that still use an EM clutch (mine included). Mostly was wondering why it took 20 years to catch on.

@pauljs75 6 жыл бұрын

So you take a variable stroke tilt block mechanism that's been on hydraulics (think ship's ram steering) since the 1930's, and now it's a completely new thing to patent if you apply it to air conditioning in the 2000's. I guess it's all in how it's used, but some "lego-bricks" really aren't as new as they're made out to be.

@CodeHardStudios 8 жыл бұрын

hehhehheeh....."Maximum Stroke Mode"......heheeehhehehe @ 2:32

@DavidGutierrez-zi4dy Жыл бұрын

thanks

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

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@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

No, that's not what the video says. If you loose charge, the swashplate inclination goes to nothing or zero angles. The compressor keeps turning, but the piston stroke is none-existent. For all practical purposes, the only components turning are the pulley and shaft. These get lubricated anyway from the circulating oil and the oil inside the compressor. Makes sense?

@satishrathod990 7 жыл бұрын

how much torque(HP) required to run compresser

@JJ-eg6xd 6 жыл бұрын

satish rathod 2kW

@josegoncalves5692 9 жыл бұрын

which causes the piston plate Lean to a higher pressure.

@teravolt6113 5 жыл бұрын

This looks more like an Harrison V5 or Sanden SD-V wobble plate VDC than a clutchless swashplate VDC. I don't think wobble plate clutchless VDCs have ever been made, even though some wobble plate VDCs (Sanden SD6C12 1355F for example, and also an Harrison V5 on a Renault application) have been successfully equipped with the solenoid displacement control valve peculiar of clutchless ones.

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

Not really

@spike920 9 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me the problem when i turn on the A/C the engine dies...

@ADPTraining 9 жыл бұрын

Ramil Fajardo See if the engine dies when you slightly accelerate the engine and turn the AC on. If it does or it makes noises then the AC comp is seized. More than likely it is the IAC or the ETC system.

@spike920 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ryantoomey611 8 жыл бұрын

+Ramil Fajardo Clutch is seized.

@blackericdenice 2 жыл бұрын

I drive a 2021 Volvo semi with a compressor like this.

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Great

@acesihatay8703 3 жыл бұрын

So this clutchless compressor that means that your car doesn't have safety pressure switch ????

@pgtmr2713 8 жыл бұрын

It's buy now if you want people to buy something. If you were saying by now, then... by now. :D

@josegoncalves5692 9 жыл бұрын

liked to see a whole video in Portuguese

@ADPTraining 9 жыл бұрын

jose goncalves It is possible if you can send in the caption for it.

@amedmesa814 10 жыл бұрын

I think this design will vibrate more due to an unbalanced mass rotating causing fatigue failure in the parts as well as efficiency loss. This is the trade-off for the benefits.

@ADPTraining 10 жыл бұрын

It can not vibrate or it'll disintegrate. Most cars are now using this type of compressor.

@amedmesa814 10 жыл бұрын

As far as I am aware rotating mechanical devices experience vibration unless it is center mass balanced. Dampening reduces the effect of vibration fatigue. Does the piston act dually as a dampener?

@teravolt6113 5 жыл бұрын

@@amedmesa814 What you're really seeing here is an older wobble plate design. The real design used in clutchless compressor is the swashplate, where the pistons are mounted on the edges of the rotating plate by means of hemispherical bearings ("shoes").

@sneal77777 3 жыл бұрын

They go bad sooner than older one

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@ADPTraining 11 жыл бұрын

The pressure relation is the same. At lower strokes mode the compressor will just be pumping LESS refrigerant, due to lower demands of course. Keep in mind that even if the displacement is lower, AC compressors pump LIQUID, which can not be compressed. You can compress a gas, but the liquid VOLUME stays the same even though it's pressurized. At lower strokes, the compressor is still pumping liquid, but at lower volumes and lower stress on the engine. CONTINUED 1

@EnnTomi1 8 жыл бұрын

this voice is robot.....same voice that in twitch chat donation reading.....

@inverseuniverse5727 4 жыл бұрын

Can we get this translated in human ?

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

Sure

@YansenHaryanto4547 7 жыл бұрын

i'm concerned about the wear that compressor would have... that thing is just keep spinning even we don't use it... in conventional compressor, the compressor just stopped and no wear

@carlosmejia5728 7 жыл бұрын

That's exactly their makers evil intention !

@kielerjacek 6 жыл бұрын

majority of automotive companies use compressors equiped with external electromagnetic clutch and control valve, but VW dont

@teravolt6113 5 жыл бұрын

The chemistry of double end capped PAG 46 oil, and the cooling effect of the suction gas, is what keeps wear rate at a minimum on a perfectly kept AC system. The real problem comes when it's run on increasingly low refrigerant levels, making the oil circulation rate inside the system decrease and the wear rate increase. Run it with no refrigerant inside and drive the car as usual, and you'll immediately get a seized compressor.

@sure5291 3 жыл бұрын

Would you find some one to speak English instead of electronic speech synthesizer for your next video.

@timsouttahere 4 жыл бұрын

My car has this type and its failing

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

@64arguz 5 жыл бұрын

Total disappointment ! Bought a 2014 Jeep Patriot for my daughter, a week later the compressor pulley bolt broke 😳 even buying ON LINE still over $400 to do the job WELL DONE , POS Denso variable displacement !! Never before I had an issue with “old fashioned” compressor 😡

@ADPTraining 2 жыл бұрын

@maliatul151 5 жыл бұрын

But due to this compressor life is very short its not success

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

@TheAsq1980 8 жыл бұрын

badest designthis compressor designed t replace periodicaly ,not just compressor also the radiator and evaporator hould change if this dump compressor brake-down.until now i dont have any idea why this design use in many hight class vehicle,and its not logical the compressor circle all timewhen engine work????????????????in clutch system the compressor just work if the AC turned on but in this bad system the compressor circle round time to reduce the life cicle.the idea of variable desplacement just to bay more and more.i have this system in my car mercedes w203 chang the compressor twice then fail again , thats gude e to replace it by clutch compressor for model 1999 e clas cmpresor now it work from 4 years in grate condition without any fault.from month ago my LR3 2006 compressor destroiedi seel anew compressor fron ebay its work just for 1 monthnow im lookig for alternative clutch compresor.

@teravolt6113 5 жыл бұрын

The real problem with these compressors is that if the refrigerant runs out for whatever reason, they remain operational, unlike ones with the clutch, which get turned off since a pressure switch or sensor senses the low refrigerant pressure and prevents the compressor from engaging until proper pressure is restored. No refrigerant means that the lubricant can't flow around. Some oil may still remain inside the compressor's crankcase and keep things lubricated as long as the engine is kept into idle, but if the engine gets revved up then there's a chance it either gets pushed out into the HP pipe or carbonizes due to the intense frictional heat that develops (usually cooled off by the suction refrigerant), and you get a seized compressor as a result. That's the real reason behind their failures.

@jrm163 Жыл бұрын

When there’s a leak, this type of compressor fails easily, because there’s no way to stop it from running while oil has leaked out! I would say, it’s a stupid design!

@ADPTraining Жыл бұрын

Agreed