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Skyler Atkinson

Skyler Atkinson

9 жыл бұрын

I didn't have a rigid enough setup and that deep cut caused the stock to flex.
I apologize for cutting air, the instructor had us starting .125" off the part.

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@PetesShredder
@PetesShredder 7 жыл бұрын
I actually looked away from the screen, thought you were gonna run the tool straight into the chuck on the first pass. I was actually scared.
@dirkadirka5395
@dirkadirka5395 3 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing and too looked away.
@xx5CARECROWxx
@xx5CARECROWxx 9 жыл бұрын
I thought you would hit the jaws on that first pass! Not the worst crash, We had one where it sounded like a Cadillac drove into the shop wall.
@skylersanful
@skylersanful 9 жыл бұрын
Gotta be pretty dang sure about that offset before you run that thing at 100% huh
@joebloggs478
@joebloggs478 9 жыл бұрын
+xx5CARECROWxx bloody computers! i am a toolmaker by trade and during my apprenticeship we had a crash where a 3 inch facemill drove itself into a vice at 9 metres a minute,and sheared the table stop on the vice which rotated the vice through 90 degrees and sheared a drive shaft in the head.
@1Corinthians151-4
@1Corinthians151-4 8 жыл бұрын
Great Scott!
@Sketch1994
@Sketch1994 8 жыл бұрын
+Tyrone Jones WTF are you crap doing with your life...watching people have expensive mishaps and insulting them while you know shit about the job? Crap!
@Sketch1994
@Sketch1994 8 жыл бұрын
Tyrone Jones Fuck yeah....And I got time on a level you can't get!
@Foxxyginger
@Foxxyginger 8 жыл бұрын
Don't apologize for cutting air. "Safety passes" are important when machining from raw. I've had lots of bent bars that like to wobble well beyond normal. Work with what you got.
@davidl9410
@davidl9410 7 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does anyone else get nightmares about crashing your machine?
@kishornatu7877
@kishornatu7877 4 жыл бұрын
I think every programmer has this fear.
@skullfucker3381
@skullfucker3381 3 жыл бұрын
every time
@blazplohl9532
@blazplohl9532 3 жыл бұрын
Yes me too
@jimthao6624
@jimthao6624 3 жыл бұрын
I have nightmares about numbers like in bl ops 1 when Mason kept seeing the numbers. Also, about forgetting to touch the Z axis
@YoDaPro
@YoDaPro 2 жыл бұрын
Crashes will happen if you are a CNC-Programmer / Machinist. Yes, it is very scary. That's why usually you have protection around your machine. Single Step and Feedrate Override are your friends ;).
@trummi_app
@trummi_app 9 жыл бұрын
I worked almost 2 years on both vertical and horizontal mills and the entire time i had a huge fear of crashing my machine. It was to the point where i regularly had nightmares about crashing it. Not gonna lie i felt a bit of anxiety/fear watching ur vid
@Weisior
@Weisior 9 жыл бұрын
J. E. And that moment when ur chief comes to you and asks: what happened m8? XDXD
@CM5_CMG
@CM5_CMG 7 жыл бұрын
J. E. I would have the same thing happen to me! Although I was always careful in my machining... nightmares would occur and the crashes on my dreams would be insane. XD
@jeffhill8499
@jeffhill8499 6 жыл бұрын
J. E. I've been doing machinists work for 30 years and when I first started I was terrified of programming and CNc and after you crash 20 or 30 times you just tell yourself that if it crashes you just stop and re set it up, now I rarely crash and when I do I don't even flinch anymore, and fear nothing!
@dirkmichalski9024
@dirkmichalski9024 5 жыл бұрын
19 years ago i crashed a Maho500 so hard that it took weeks to bring her back into production. I've lost my job and i never worked as a CNC operator again because of the fear this could happen again. Now as i can't work in the factory i spent my last 15 years because of my health i regret this step...
@curce1
@curce1 Жыл бұрын
​@@dirkmichalski9024 всякое бывает. Главное никого не убило.
@sosaltysereezy
@sosaltysereezy 5 жыл бұрын
*i felt my soul leave my body when that turn tool started to come out*
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName 8 жыл бұрын
Thats a crash? Very first setup i did, ended up ripping the jaws off a Mazak QT40, destroyed an O.D. tool, and moved the machine 6 inches.
@cayleependerass
@cayleependerass 8 жыл бұрын
+Johnathon Reyes That takes skill
@IIlIIlIIlII
@IIlIIlIIlII 8 жыл бұрын
Damn!!
@Cara.314
@Cara.314 8 жыл бұрын
+Johnathon Reyes what was your mistake? Sounds like you went full rapid into the jaws at 3000+ RPMs
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName 8 жыл бұрын
It was full rapid about 1200 rpm. I didn't teach z0 right. Boss I had at the time (whose job I took) neglected to teach me about single block, slow rapid, and slowing the feed and speed. Only thing he showed me was cycle start, e stop, and the chuck pedal.
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName 8 жыл бұрын
+Cara Diann that's the same thing I teach all new machinist that come along. luckily we don't have many crashes anymore.
@GrotesqueMACHINERY
@GrotesqueMACHINERY 8 жыл бұрын
As a Journeyman shop foremen, I can tell you this is nothing but a small hiccup, happens daily on new fabs.
@thehollowbox
@thehollowbox 8 жыл бұрын
I think the rule of thumb is dont cut anything that is 3x longer then the diameter without extra support. So if you have a 1" part you shouldn't have more then 3" unsupported. Also hold onto more than the diameter or as much as you can.
@SolidifierJH
@SolidifierJH 4 жыл бұрын
My personal experience tells me there could be a few reasons , maybe even a combination of these reasons, 1. insufficient clamping length/ material too Long , 2. doing external cuts after doing a groove/ undercut is not ideal , 3.depth of cut might be too high . I’m just a newbie machinist so I might be wrong about this.
@matthewrossilini5808
@matthewrossilini5808 3 жыл бұрын
The suspense is killing me, knowing a crash is coming...
@thymark
@thymark 8 жыл бұрын
This is how hight quality in china works. Its still in engineering tolerance.
@megaknizzle
@megaknizzle 5 жыл бұрын
A few weeks ago I forgot to reset my tool geometry for a drill after having a boring bar in that tool slot. I was .843 in X, so needless to say I did not drill on center line and absolutely destroyed a $2,000 2" drill.
@pleasurementgui
@pleasurementgui 8 жыл бұрын
My tip is to write a canned cycle and set your D value for .075 or .05 so a crash like that can be avoided. also, its a lot easier than writing out all those g00 and g01.
@kishornatu7877
@kishornatu7877 4 жыл бұрын
I have seen worst crashes on CNC Lathe . Sometimes forgetting to write G01 after G00. In the above video the reason for crash seems to be inadequate chuck clamping pressure considering the overhang of the job, also too high feed for the overhang of the job. In manual programming and 1st time new job, run the programme at reduced feed rate.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 8 жыл бұрын
had one where an internal tool tried to come out of the part in x and z when about two inches deep. we'd had the machine retro fitted from an old Allen Bradley to Fanuc. seems a chip from mounting the new control panel got shaken lose and the control tried to home the axis.
@Igor14811
@Igor14811 8 жыл бұрын
да это не важно какой вы обрабатываете материал,как черный металл так и цветной металл,результат будет один и тот как на этом видео-подрыв заготовки и режущего инструмента обеспечен.Причина одна -это большой вылет обрабатываемого материала ,тут необходимо зацентровать торец детали и подпереть задней бабкой для увеличения жесткости.Тогда вы сможете безопасно обрабатывать заготовку даже увеличить режимы резания
@1Corinthians151-4
@1Corinthians151-4 8 жыл бұрын
I imagine the chuck is hydraulic and clamps about .200 of an inch in, he was probably at .190 almost at Max limit, needs to move jaws in just a tic.
@mincraftler444
@mincraftler444 8 жыл бұрын
For me it looks like a weak crash.. I crashed in total like 10 times in 2 years. One of these costed nearly my life an one costed around 4000 dollars.. So you were verry lucky in my eyes.. Greetings from Switzerland. :)
@vincent7520
@vincent7520 8 жыл бұрын
Talk about Swiss precision !!!! ;)
@sleddarcheddar
@sleddarcheddar 8 жыл бұрын
+MinecrafterCH Should probably pursue a new career.
@vincent7520
@vincent7520 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Mori ;)
@Andy90B
@Andy90B 6 жыл бұрын
If I had 5 crashes per year, my boss would take me away from the machines and I could deburr...
@user-wj5cx2zp7v
@user-wj5cx2zp7v 8 жыл бұрын
insufficient clamp pressure from the jaws / wasn't done up properly, also I think the tool was moving too fast.
@DeoHoPnuema
@DeoHoPnuema 8 жыл бұрын
My fav is when a 9 5/8 pipe cutoff gets wedged into under the chucks, eggs it, and shoots our like a thirty pound steel bottle cap. We have had people bust off a couple tool arms that way if they not lucky. Peels back the steel shield for the chip tray like a banana if they are lucky.
@oldschool7084
@oldschool7084 5 жыл бұрын
Its all good i work this job for a year and i write programs ones i hit lathe so hard that all other machinist punch reset all of them thought that sound is from their machines ahahhaha
@MsBenpower
@MsBenpower 3 жыл бұрын
Looool
@salaheddinemoumou2580
@salaheddinemoumou2580 8 жыл бұрын
oh man the depth of pass and the tool feedrate is so high hahahahahahahhahahah i'm never do this before !
@garylarson6386
@garylarson6386 4 жыл бұрын
I do cnc service and repair and have seen many turrets broken off x axis, spindle bearing crashed, and x axis castings cracked, this is minor, not enough grip too far out from chuck
@doughboy1966
@doughboy1966 4 жыл бұрын
When the doors fly off you just walk over to your tool box and start rolling it outside. No use to clock out.
@tgw007x
@tgw007x 8 жыл бұрын
At least the tool holder moved. When our cnc at work crashes it usually sucks the part out of the chuck and kills the part and our whole tooling setup. Sometimes if we're lucky it'll just break the insert lol
@justinhall5076
@justinhall5076 8 жыл бұрын
not holding onto nearly enough of that material could have called that from a mile away
@madeljacky
@madeljacky 8 жыл бұрын
+Justin Hall I think so to, there isn't enough material in the chuck jaws, he could have got away with it by putting a revolving centre in it but then that may have been in the way for further machining of whatever he was making.
@173roberto
@173roberto 8 жыл бұрын
That happens, when you grip less than 1/3 of the total lenght.
@Michaelsloncehammr
@Michaelsloncehammr 3 жыл бұрын
What .? It’s not uncommon for skilled machines to hold on to .100 of a inch with Prescion cut diameter jaws.
@dillongreen7001
@dillongreen7001 7 жыл бұрын
that wasn't to bad at least the machine wasn't damaged
@rapabejuela732
@rapabejuela732 8 жыл бұрын
it's already obvious in the setup. clamping is not good
@danwiley7936
@danwiley7936 2 жыл бұрын
Try using a tailstock. And coolant.
@destinationdaddio9977
@destinationdaddio9977 7 жыл бұрын
i wouldnt even say that was a crash
@seamusmclaughlin5916
@seamusmclaughlin5916 3 жыл бұрын
#1 Not gripping enough material. Question. Was the turning tool loose in the holder. Very lucky that the bar did not come out of the hard jaws.
@pedroLasVegas
@pedroLasVegas 3 жыл бұрын
Too much per one time or the distance it’s too long. Best idea to turn on till half beyond the groove and clamp again from another side with using soft jaws.
@ingomolters9956
@ingomolters9956 8 жыл бұрын
When I see the first second of the video, i think: Not deep enough in the jaws. Or should be jaws with steps or how to say in englisch. To have a concrete clamping/positioning to the face inside the jaws.
@ingomolters9956
@ingomolters9956 8 жыл бұрын
Yes. The expected thing happend :)
@mikemai8568
@mikemai8568 8 жыл бұрын
It's good that you stopped the machine at the right time. Otherwise, it created a big mess. The problems was the part has less support while taking a heavy cut.
@YoDaPro
@YoDaPro 7 жыл бұрын
i agree that the clamping was poorly. Imagine it clamps air down there and ur jaws are a "V" holding the part. Also you need to use coolant or at least cutting oil. I'm sure there was some built up material on your insert.
@jongonegone1262
@jongonegone1262 6 жыл бұрын
NOT ENOUGH METAL INSIDE CHUCK, WHERES THE COOLANT. BIG DIAMETER FOR SO LITTLE HOLDING AREA. WASNT THAT BAD, I DIDNT SEE ANY SPARKS FLYING !!!!
@cristianvamprey
@cristianvamprey 5 жыл бұрын
Was to want to get chopping in G0, in addition to entering with a high depth of cut and wrong rotation, gave in what gave! Misaligned tower and broken tool.
@TheHybridlogic
@TheHybridlogic 5 жыл бұрын
The first few facing passes should've been enough of an indication to stop, too much chatter. The overhang was just too much.
@Michaelsloncehammr
@Michaelsloncehammr 3 жыл бұрын
Crash scene investigation said you didn’t tighten your tool holder bolts. 🧐
@y788lhjk1
@y788lhjk1 7 жыл бұрын
Whas that crash or work piece just poorly in the chuck
@akronnekron233
@akronnekron233 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen worse from people that have spend all life working on a cnc lathe. To watch a part that is more than 10 ton in weight to fell of the machine it takes some skill, but yeah the way you hold your part is most important thing in cnc machining
@kalpeshgavankar1607
@kalpeshgavankar1607 3 жыл бұрын
0:43 you are here for this😂
@mattiasarvidsson8522
@mattiasarvidsson8522 8 жыл бұрын
this shit happends alot when ur tired, bored or thinking of hot chicks .. Almost never anymore since i started using mastercam lathe for everything.
@operator8014
@operator8014 7 жыл бұрын
Oh, that wasn't really a crash. that was just a heavy overload. I was scared for those chuck jaws though, I thought you were gonna get 'em.
@mr.noneyabidness
@mr.noneyabidness 3 жыл бұрын
And just like that, that part is done.
@jeremyr8987
@jeremyr8987 8 жыл бұрын
See how there is only about 1" of aluminum in the chuck and 8" extended? Cutting more than .050 a pass is a high risk especially at that speed. If that's what you have to work with then drill a center hole and use a live swivel. Obviously this program faces off and then machines to size so that's an extra step but I know for a fact you won't have this failure. I've taken over .400 off on a pass but at much lower rotation and cutting speed, with no center and feet of stock in the chuck. I get the idea of how fast it can produce but with no material in the chuck this will happen every time. I run a manual lathe so I do everything.
@sleddarcheddar
@sleddarcheddar 8 жыл бұрын
+jeremy r I lost you at aluminum. I see no aluminum.
@dopihead
@dopihead 8 жыл бұрын
Great catch m8! Could of definitely been a a lot worse
@PHIL5750
@PHIL5750 2 жыл бұрын
Were is the center ? should have had a prep op to put a No 2 centre in one end.Yes you did the first part right by leaving .125 away from the job but you failed by not having a machined center in one end. PS. ALWAYS HAVE A PREP OP FIRST
@rosewhite---
@rosewhite--- 7 жыл бұрын
hard jams get worn and are no good forround stock on such short grip. Always use soft jaws.
@aspincelaframboise9936
@aspincelaframboise9936 8 жыл бұрын
Not much material clamped in the chuck for that kind of feed eh... Ü
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 2 жыл бұрын
You were lucky the turning tool wasn't wedged down tight. It could've been uglier
@404BYTE
@404BYTE 8 жыл бұрын
I guess most people here are expecting some tool losing, chuck diving action.
@yovandavchev3496
@yovandavchev3496 3 жыл бұрын
U got 2 empty passes u should make a radius of 1 when ur coming out for example if ur on sinumeric G1 X48 Z-49 and then G2 X50 Z-50 CR=1
@paulbennett6379
@paulbennett6379 6 жыл бұрын
Try using the tail stock mate or lighter cuts lol
@viborgh
@viborgh Жыл бұрын
sure sounds like a hass
@boma6336
@boma6336 4 жыл бұрын
送りが早すぎたのかな・・・ 英語コメントでG00とかG01とかあるけど、G01入れ忘れた人達なんだろうな 同士だわ
@user-sx6or6uo3k
@user-sx6or6uo3k 6 жыл бұрын
進幾太快了 看起來至少有F0.5 F0.2還差不多 夾這一點點的話
@MKx5288
@MKx5288 6 жыл бұрын
Why show this if there's no follow up explanation as to why. What's the point
@robhawkins6018
@robhawkins6018 8 жыл бұрын
my worst crash happened due to oil leak onto the circuit board of the CNC.......Not pretty.
@jeffhill8499
@jeffhill8499 6 жыл бұрын
Looked like to much of a cut on last pass.
@monkeygorilla6796
@monkeygorilla6796 Жыл бұрын
Сдача слишком большая, ошибка программиста. Ну что, бывает.
@GeneralG1810
@GeneralG1810 3 жыл бұрын
Are people allergic to centers or something?
@vasimansari1919
@vasimansari1919 4 жыл бұрын
Program kaise banaae sir please video banaae sir
@jirkaszabo
@jirkaszabo 8 жыл бұрын
What kind of a machinist are you? now you may have to adjust the turret,its out of center
@mildaish
@mildaish 8 жыл бұрын
docela jsem to cekal ze se to stane, hned jak jsem to videl
@fabiano4700
@fabiano4700 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy!!!
@lifeinsurance4495
@lifeinsurance4495 7 жыл бұрын
Did you bend the turret?
@nicolasoliver9919
@nicolasoliver9919 Жыл бұрын
Mors dur 2 fois le diamètre pour la longueur. Profondeur de passe trop importante. L'idéal en contre pointe
@MrChickletts
@MrChickletts 8 жыл бұрын
You need a bolt on Capto machine adapted clamping unit. Problem solved.
@joeymeyer3653
@joeymeyer3653 8 жыл бұрын
if you had a stop in the jaws it wouldnt of happen. plus lower your feed down to F.009
@federicolongoria841
@federicolongoria841 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you proofing your program at such high rapid
@federicolongoria841
@federicolongoria841 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure what’s going to happen but Fck it lets proof this out at 100 percent rapid so we can make sure to throw the turret out
@adrianovhp
@adrianovhp 5 жыл бұрын
Ferramenta não foi fixado corretamente.
@donparker8246
@donparker8246 8 жыл бұрын
Ouch!
@dritanpica9375
@dritanpica9375 3 жыл бұрын
Good 💪
@ChuckBeefOG
@ChuckBeefOG 6 жыл бұрын
I meant 5 thou not 5 tenths, shit.
@KretusRex
@KretusRex 7 жыл бұрын
did i hear "o kurwa mać"?
@zack4president
@zack4president 2 жыл бұрын
You call that a crash? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
@billyjenkins2467
@billyjenkins2467 6 жыл бұрын
I'm good at doing that
@blitzkrieg1996
@blitzkrieg1996 9 жыл бұрын
What actually happened ? I think the deep of cut is OK.
@skylersanful
@skylersanful 9 жыл бұрын
I didn't have enough of the stock in the chuck and/or the psi wasn't high enough (at 100 psi)
@blitzkrieg1996
@blitzkrieg1996 9 жыл бұрын
So low pressure in the chuck ? oh Ok
@iBetThisNameWillWork
@iBetThisNameWillWork 9 жыл бұрын
Skyler Atkinson Oh, was that a pneumatic chuck? I've only ever used manual. What IS a good psi then?
@jacobtrudell7945
@jacobtrudell7945 8 жыл бұрын
+blitzkrieg1996 Depth of cut is way too heavy. I run a CNC lathe, a fairly large one at that. Even if his setup was tight it would have still happened. Probably a good thing for the setup to be loose really, that way it ruined his setup, and caused no damage to the machine.
@KvngJ
@KvngJ 8 жыл бұрын
The depth of cut was good, his chuck pressure should have been around 275 to 300 psi. The feed rate should have been a little lower, by the feed lines it's leaving I would say he had at a feed of .016 if not .018. But then again I only do this for a living so I might not know what I'm talking about lol
@stephenborst3535
@stephenborst3535 7 жыл бұрын
feed rate override !
@speckim
@speckim 3 жыл бұрын
내 이랄줄 알았지....
@toddpf
@toddpf 8 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with cutting air. It's like a fart. Cut wind, cut the cheese. Looks like a minor crash compared to what I've seen and heard.
@chrispile3878
@chrispile3878 2 жыл бұрын
Rookie mistake.
@DoctorF1984
@DoctorF1984 8 жыл бұрын
😂 Typischer Anfänger Fehler 😂
@kabane3165
@kabane3165 4 жыл бұрын
,, o kurwa mać '' pl
@kadibyandewa2791
@kadibyandewa2791 4 жыл бұрын
Gsk?
@labananiere
@labananiere 9 жыл бұрын
Un trou de centre, et la contre-pointe, auraient évité ça...
@nguyenhuungan9428
@nguyenhuungan9428 3 жыл бұрын
G71
@paulcross4062
@paulcross4062 8 жыл бұрын
cheez no way i let you near mazak if you have fuckall to hold on to turn a shoulder for a start then get someone who knows what there doing to teach you before you hurt youreself or worse
@chevy6299
@chevy6299 8 жыл бұрын
OUCH !!! LOL
@namnguyenhoang6965
@namnguyenhoang6965 3 жыл бұрын
Ăn tham quá nó v
@thetruth6872
@thetruth6872 4 жыл бұрын
You could have got away with this if you knew how to run a roughing pass properly.
@klafilin4061
@klafilin4061 6 жыл бұрын
f1?????LOL
@thethreebros7200
@thethreebros7200 8 жыл бұрын
you went too fast
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