I didn't have a rigid enough setup and that deep cut caused the stock to flex. I apologize for cutting air, the instructor had us starting .125" off the part.
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@PetesShredder7 жыл бұрын
I actually looked away from the screen, thought you were gonna run the tool straight into the chuck on the first pass. I was actually scared.
@dirkadirka53953 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing and too looked away.
@xx5CARECROWxx9 жыл бұрын
I thought you would hit the jaws on that first pass! Not the worst crash, We had one where it sounded like a Cadillac drove into the shop wall.
@skylersanful9 жыл бұрын
Gotta be pretty dang sure about that offset before you run that thing at 100% huh
@joebloggs4789 жыл бұрын
+xx5CARECROWxx bloody computers! i am a toolmaker by trade and during my apprenticeship we had a crash where a 3 inch facemill drove itself into a vice at 9 metres a minute,and sheared the table stop on the vice which rotated the vice through 90 degrees and sheared a drive shaft in the head.
@1Corinthians151-48 жыл бұрын
Great Scott!
@Sketch19948 жыл бұрын
+Tyrone Jones WTF are you crap doing with your life...watching people have expensive mishaps and insulting them while you know shit about the job? Crap!
@Sketch19948 жыл бұрын
Tyrone Jones Fuck yeah....And I got time on a level you can't get!
@Foxxyginger8 жыл бұрын
Don't apologize for cutting air. "Safety passes" are important when machining from raw. I've had lots of bent bars that like to wobble well beyond normal. Work with what you got.
@davidl94107 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does anyone else get nightmares about crashing your machine?
@kishornatu78774 жыл бұрын
I think every programmer has this fear.
@skullfucker33813 жыл бұрын
every time
@blazplohl95323 жыл бұрын
Yes me too
@jimthao66243 жыл бұрын
I have nightmares about numbers like in bl ops 1 when Mason kept seeing the numbers. Also, about forgetting to touch the Z axis
@YoDaPro2 жыл бұрын
Crashes will happen if you are a CNC-Programmer / Machinist. Yes, it is very scary. That's why usually you have protection around your machine. Single Step and Feedrate Override are your friends ;).
@trummi_app9 жыл бұрын
I worked almost 2 years on both vertical and horizontal mills and the entire time i had a huge fear of crashing my machine. It was to the point where i regularly had nightmares about crashing it. Not gonna lie i felt a bit of anxiety/fear watching ur vid
@Weisior9 жыл бұрын
J. E. And that moment when ur chief comes to you and asks: what happened m8? XDXD
@CM5_CMG7 жыл бұрын
J. E. I would have the same thing happen to me! Although I was always careful in my machining... nightmares would occur and the crashes on my dreams would be insane. XD
@jeffhill84996 жыл бұрын
J. E. I've been doing machinists work for 30 years and when I first started I was terrified of programming and CNc and after you crash 20 or 30 times you just tell yourself that if it crashes you just stop and re set it up, now I rarely crash and when I do I don't even flinch anymore, and fear nothing!
@dirkmichalski90245 жыл бұрын
19 years ago i crashed a Maho500 so hard that it took weeks to bring her back into production. I've lost my job and i never worked as a CNC operator again because of the fear this could happen again. Now as i can't work in the factory i spent my last 15 years because of my health i regret this step...
@curce1 Жыл бұрын
@@dirkmichalski9024 всякое бывает. Главное никого не убило.
@sosaltysereezy5 жыл бұрын
*i felt my soul leave my body when that turn tool started to come out*
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName8 жыл бұрын
Thats a crash? Very first setup i did, ended up ripping the jaws off a Mazak QT40, destroyed an O.D. tool, and moved the machine 6 inches.
@cayleependerass8 жыл бұрын
+Johnathon Reyes That takes skill
@IIlIIlIIlII8 жыл бұрын
Damn!!
@Cara.3148 жыл бұрын
+Johnathon Reyes what was your mistake? Sounds like you went full rapid into the jaws at 3000+ RPMs
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName8 жыл бұрын
It was full rapid about 1200 rpm. I didn't teach z0 right. Boss I had at the time (whose job I took) neglected to teach me about single block, slow rapid, and slowing the feed and speed. Only thing he showed me was cycle start, e stop, and the chuck pedal.
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName8 жыл бұрын
+Cara Diann that's the same thing I teach all new machinist that come along. luckily we don't have many crashes anymore.
@GrotesqueMACHINERY8 жыл бұрын
As a Journeyman shop foremen, I can tell you this is nothing but a small hiccup, happens daily on new fabs.
@thehollowbox8 жыл бұрын
I think the rule of thumb is dont cut anything that is 3x longer then the diameter without extra support. So if you have a 1" part you shouldn't have more then 3" unsupported. Also hold onto more than the diameter or as much as you can.
@SolidifierJH4 жыл бұрын
My personal experience tells me there could be a few reasons , maybe even a combination of these reasons, 1. insufficient clamping length/ material too Long , 2. doing external cuts after doing a groove/ undercut is not ideal , 3.depth of cut might be too high . I’m just a newbie machinist so I might be wrong about this.
@matthewrossilini58083 жыл бұрын
The suspense is killing me, knowing a crash is coming...
@thymark8 жыл бұрын
This is how hight quality in china works. Its still in engineering tolerance.
@megaknizzle5 жыл бұрын
A few weeks ago I forgot to reset my tool geometry for a drill after having a boring bar in that tool slot. I was .843 in X, so needless to say I did not drill on center line and absolutely destroyed a $2,000 2" drill.
@pleasurementgui8 жыл бұрын
My tip is to write a canned cycle and set your D value for .075 or .05 so a crash like that can be avoided. also, its a lot easier than writing out all those g00 and g01.
@kishornatu78774 жыл бұрын
I have seen worst crashes on CNC Lathe . Sometimes forgetting to write G01 after G00. In the above video the reason for crash seems to be inadequate chuck clamping pressure considering the overhang of the job, also too high feed for the overhang of the job. In manual programming and 1st time new job, run the programme at reduced feed rate.
@mpetersen68 жыл бұрын
had one where an internal tool tried to come out of the part in x and z when about two inches deep. we'd had the machine retro fitted from an old Allen Bradley to Fanuc. seems a chip from mounting the new control panel got shaken lose and the control tried to home the axis.
@Igor148118 жыл бұрын
да это не важно какой вы обрабатываете материал,как черный металл так и цветной металл,результат будет один и тот как на этом видео-подрыв заготовки и режущего инструмента обеспечен.Причина одна -это большой вылет обрабатываемого материала ,тут необходимо зацентровать торец детали и подпереть задней бабкой для увеличения жесткости.Тогда вы сможете безопасно обрабатывать заготовку даже увеличить режимы резания
@1Corinthians151-48 жыл бұрын
I imagine the chuck is hydraulic and clamps about .200 of an inch in, he was probably at .190 almost at Max limit, needs to move jaws in just a tic.
@mincraftler4448 жыл бұрын
For me it looks like a weak crash.. I crashed in total like 10 times in 2 years. One of these costed nearly my life an one costed around 4000 dollars.. So you were verry lucky in my eyes.. Greetings from Switzerland. :)
@vincent75208 жыл бұрын
Talk about Swiss precision !!!! ;)
@sleddarcheddar8 жыл бұрын
+MinecrafterCH Should probably pursue a new career.
@vincent75208 жыл бұрын
+Peter Mori ;)
@Andy90B6 жыл бұрын
If I had 5 crashes per year, my boss would take me away from the machines and I could deburr...
@user-wj5cx2zp7v8 жыл бұрын
insufficient clamp pressure from the jaws / wasn't done up properly, also I think the tool was moving too fast.
@DeoHoPnuema8 жыл бұрын
My fav is when a 9 5/8 pipe cutoff gets wedged into under the chucks, eggs it, and shoots our like a thirty pound steel bottle cap. We have had people bust off a couple tool arms that way if they not lucky. Peels back the steel shield for the chip tray like a banana if they are lucky.
@oldschool70845 жыл бұрын
Its all good i work this job for a year and i write programs ones i hit lathe so hard that all other machinist punch reset all of them thought that sound is from their machines ahahhaha
@MsBenpower3 жыл бұрын
Looool
@salaheddinemoumou25808 жыл бұрын
oh man the depth of pass and the tool feedrate is so high hahahahahahahhahahah i'm never do this before !
@garylarson63864 жыл бұрын
I do cnc service and repair and have seen many turrets broken off x axis, spindle bearing crashed, and x axis castings cracked, this is minor, not enough grip too far out from chuck
@doughboy19664 жыл бұрын
When the doors fly off you just walk over to your tool box and start rolling it outside. No use to clock out.
@tgw007x8 жыл бұрын
At least the tool holder moved. When our cnc at work crashes it usually sucks the part out of the chuck and kills the part and our whole tooling setup. Sometimes if we're lucky it'll just break the insert lol
@justinhall50768 жыл бұрын
not holding onto nearly enough of that material could have called that from a mile away
@madeljacky8 жыл бұрын
+Justin Hall I think so to, there isn't enough material in the chuck jaws, he could have got away with it by putting a revolving centre in it but then that may have been in the way for further machining of whatever he was making.
@173roberto8 жыл бұрын
That happens, when you grip less than 1/3 of the total lenght.
@Michaelsloncehammr3 жыл бұрын
What .? It’s not uncommon for skilled machines to hold on to .100 of a inch with Prescion cut diameter jaws.
@dillongreen70017 жыл бұрын
that wasn't to bad at least the machine wasn't damaged
@rapabejuela7328 жыл бұрын
it's already obvious in the setup. clamping is not good
@danwiley79362 жыл бұрын
Try using a tailstock. And coolant.
@destinationdaddio99777 жыл бұрын
i wouldnt even say that was a crash
@seamusmclaughlin59163 жыл бұрын
#1 Not gripping enough material. Question. Was the turning tool loose in the holder. Very lucky that the bar did not come out of the hard jaws.
@pedroLasVegas3 жыл бұрын
Too much per one time or the distance it’s too long. Best idea to turn on till half beyond the groove and clamp again from another side with using soft jaws.
@ingomolters99568 жыл бұрын
When I see the first second of the video, i think: Not deep enough in the jaws. Or should be jaws with steps or how to say in englisch. To have a concrete clamping/positioning to the face inside the jaws.
@ingomolters99568 жыл бұрын
Yes. The expected thing happend :)
@mikemai85688 жыл бұрын
It's good that you stopped the machine at the right time. Otherwise, it created a big mess. The problems was the part has less support while taking a heavy cut.
@YoDaPro7 жыл бұрын
i agree that the clamping was poorly. Imagine it clamps air down there and ur jaws are a "V" holding the part. Also you need to use coolant or at least cutting oil. I'm sure there was some built up material on your insert.
@jongonegone12626 жыл бұрын
NOT ENOUGH METAL INSIDE CHUCK, WHERES THE COOLANT. BIG DIAMETER FOR SO LITTLE HOLDING AREA. WASNT THAT BAD, I DIDNT SEE ANY SPARKS FLYING !!!!
@cristianvamprey5 жыл бұрын
Was to want to get chopping in G0, in addition to entering with a high depth of cut and wrong rotation, gave in what gave! Misaligned tower and broken tool.
@TheHybridlogic5 жыл бұрын
The first few facing passes should've been enough of an indication to stop, too much chatter. The overhang was just too much.
@Michaelsloncehammr3 жыл бұрын
Crash scene investigation said you didn’t tighten your tool holder bolts. 🧐
@y788lhjk17 жыл бұрын
Whas that crash or work piece just poorly in the chuck
@akronnekron2333 жыл бұрын
I've seen worse from people that have spend all life working on a cnc lathe. To watch a part that is more than 10 ton in weight to fell of the machine it takes some skill, but yeah the way you hold your part is most important thing in cnc machining
@kalpeshgavankar16073 жыл бұрын
0:43 you are here for this😂
@mattiasarvidsson85228 жыл бұрын
this shit happends alot when ur tired, bored or thinking of hot chicks .. Almost never anymore since i started using mastercam lathe for everything.
@operator80147 жыл бұрын
Oh, that wasn't really a crash. that was just a heavy overload. I was scared for those chuck jaws though, I thought you were gonna get 'em.
@mr.noneyabidness3 жыл бұрын
And just like that, that part is done.
@jeremyr89878 жыл бұрын
See how there is only about 1" of aluminum in the chuck and 8" extended? Cutting more than .050 a pass is a high risk especially at that speed. If that's what you have to work with then drill a center hole and use a live swivel. Obviously this program faces off and then machines to size so that's an extra step but I know for a fact you won't have this failure. I've taken over .400 off on a pass but at much lower rotation and cutting speed, with no center and feet of stock in the chuck. I get the idea of how fast it can produce but with no material in the chuck this will happen every time. I run a manual lathe so I do everything.
@sleddarcheddar8 жыл бұрын
+jeremy r I lost you at aluminum. I see no aluminum.
@dopihead8 жыл бұрын
Great catch m8! Could of definitely been a a lot worse
@PHIL57502 жыл бұрын
Were is the center ? should have had a prep op to put a No 2 centre in one end.Yes you did the first part right by leaving .125 away from the job but you failed by not having a machined center in one end. PS. ALWAYS HAVE A PREP OP FIRST
@rosewhite---7 жыл бұрын
hard jams get worn and are no good forround stock on such short grip. Always use soft jaws.
@aspincelaframboise99368 жыл бұрын
Not much material clamped in the chuck for that kind of feed eh... Ü
@MF175mp2 жыл бұрын
You were lucky the turning tool wasn't wedged down tight. It could've been uglier
@404BYTE8 жыл бұрын
I guess most people here are expecting some tool losing, chuck diving action.
@yovandavchev34963 жыл бұрын
U got 2 empty passes u should make a radius of 1 when ur coming out for example if ur on sinumeric G1 X48 Z-49 and then G2 X50 Z-50 CR=1
Why show this if there's no follow up explanation as to why. What's the point
@robhawkins60188 жыл бұрын
my worst crash happened due to oil leak onto the circuit board of the CNC.......Not pretty.
@jeffhill84996 жыл бұрын
Looked like to much of a cut on last pass.
@monkeygorilla6796 Жыл бұрын
Сдача слишком большая, ошибка программиста. Ну что, бывает.
@GeneralG18103 жыл бұрын
Are people allergic to centers or something?
@vasimansari19194 жыл бұрын
Program kaise banaae sir please video banaae sir
@jirkaszabo8 жыл бұрын
What kind of a machinist are you? now you may have to adjust the turret,its out of center
@mildaish8 жыл бұрын
docela jsem to cekal ze se to stane, hned jak jsem to videl
@fabiano47002 жыл бұрын
Crazy!!!
@lifeinsurance44957 жыл бұрын
Did you bend the turret?
@nicolasoliver9919 Жыл бұрын
Mors dur 2 fois le diamètre pour la longueur. Profondeur de passe trop importante. L'idéal en contre pointe
@MrChickletts8 жыл бұрын
You need a bolt on Capto machine adapted clamping unit. Problem solved.
@joeymeyer36538 жыл бұрын
if you had a stop in the jaws it wouldnt of happen. plus lower your feed down to F.009
@federicolongoria8412 жыл бұрын
Why are you proofing your program at such high rapid
@federicolongoria8412 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure what’s going to happen but Fck it lets proof this out at 100 percent rapid so we can make sure to throw the turret out
@adrianovhp5 жыл бұрын
Ferramenta não foi fixado corretamente.
@donparker82468 жыл бұрын
Ouch!
@dritanpica93753 жыл бұрын
Good 💪
@ChuckBeefOG6 жыл бұрын
I meant 5 thou not 5 tenths, shit.
@KretusRex7 жыл бұрын
did i hear "o kurwa mać"?
@zack4president2 жыл бұрын
You call that a crash? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
@billyjenkins24676 жыл бұрын
I'm good at doing that
@blitzkrieg19969 жыл бұрын
What actually happened ? I think the deep of cut is OK.
@skylersanful9 жыл бұрын
I didn't have enough of the stock in the chuck and/or the psi wasn't high enough (at 100 psi)
@blitzkrieg19969 жыл бұрын
So low pressure in the chuck ? oh Ok
@iBetThisNameWillWork9 жыл бұрын
Skyler Atkinson Oh, was that a pneumatic chuck? I've only ever used manual. What IS a good psi then?
@jacobtrudell79458 жыл бұрын
+blitzkrieg1996 Depth of cut is way too heavy. I run a CNC lathe, a fairly large one at that. Even if his setup was tight it would have still happened. Probably a good thing for the setup to be loose really, that way it ruined his setup, and caused no damage to the machine.
@KvngJ8 жыл бұрын
The depth of cut was good, his chuck pressure should have been around 275 to 300 psi. The feed rate should have been a little lower, by the feed lines it's leaving I would say he had at a feed of .016 if not .018. But then again I only do this for a living so I might not know what I'm talking about lol
@stephenborst35357 жыл бұрын
feed rate override !
@speckim3 жыл бұрын
내 이랄줄 알았지....
@toddpf8 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with cutting air. It's like a fart. Cut wind, cut the cheese. Looks like a minor crash compared to what I've seen and heard.
@chrispile38782 жыл бұрын
Rookie mistake.
@DoctorF19848 жыл бұрын
😂 Typischer Anfänger Fehler 😂
@kabane31654 жыл бұрын
,, o kurwa mać '' pl
@kadibyandewa27914 жыл бұрын
Gsk?
@labananiere9 жыл бұрын
Un trou de centre, et la contre-pointe, auraient évité ça...
@nguyenhuungan94283 жыл бұрын
G71
@paulcross40628 жыл бұрын
cheez no way i let you near mazak if you have fuckall to hold on to turn a shoulder for a start then get someone who knows what there doing to teach you before you hurt youreself or worse
@chevy62998 жыл бұрын
OUCH !!! LOL
@namnguyenhoang69653 жыл бұрын
Ăn tham quá nó v
@thetruth68724 жыл бұрын
You could have got away with this if you knew how to run a roughing pass properly.