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Colleen Ballinger & Jojo Siwa: The Truth is Worse Than You Think

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Colleen Ballinger: The Jojo Siwa Story is Darker Than You Think
Colleen Ballinger, also known as Miranda Sings, has recently found herself in the midst of controversy, with allegations ranging from her behavior towards fans like Adam Mcintyre, to accusations of racism, her treatment of people like Trisha Paytas, and mistreatment of her ex Josh. But now, Jojo Siwa has defended Colleen on the Howie Madel podcast despite their controversial history. This has raised more questions about their relationship, as well as Jojo Siwa's relationship with Rachel Ballinger and other KZfaqrs such as Shane Dawson and Joey Graceffa.
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@VangelinaSkov
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@chapteronefrog
@chapteronefrog 11 ай бұрын
​@@heatherlynn4652um what???
@graphitebeans
@graphitebeans 11 ай бұрын
@@heatherlynn4652was coming here to say this. Wacky stuff, eh?
@terryjackson8186
@terryjackson8186 11 ай бұрын
😅
@tikimillie
@tikimillie 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking one for the team by letting Colleen’s vengeful spirit haunt your office.
@sasharama5485
@sasharama5485 11 ай бұрын
Jojo "Colleen is not a groomer, I've known her since i was 12 years old" ...
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
HONESTLY
@Oliviaandtrina
@Oliviaandtrina 11 ай бұрын
"She became one of my closest friends when she was 28 and I was 12, of course she's not a groomer"
@Fate263
@Fate263 11 ай бұрын
A friend that, at the time, was more than twice her age... And... she saw no issue with this? Nothing at all?
@stingerjohnny9951
@stingerjohnny9951 11 ай бұрын
@@Fate263 Unless the person is a family friend or a best friends sibling who has similar interests to you, it raises a whole lot of red flags, particularly if the older person instigated it.
@pettykittyfam
@pettykittyfam 11 ай бұрын
Like WOW Essentially the same as I drink all day everyday but I'm not an alcoholic. The absurdity is crazy
@StitchingMothVibes
@StitchingMothVibes 11 ай бұрын
I wish Jojo would just sneak away to a foreign country, go to college with people her own age, and not contact anyone she knew from childhood from a few months. I think it would give her a VAST amount of perspective.
@Thenewboidahlia
@Thenewboidahlia 11 ай бұрын
Seriously…she’s becoming a “celebrity” for such odd behavior..she deserves to be a kid/young adult
@LizaBMarie
@LizaBMarie 11 ай бұрын
@@FukaiKokorotruth
@MsCarringtonsYoutube
@MsCarringtonsYoutube 10 ай бұрын
Oh yeah because college is definitely so useful and not a complete waste of time. Why TF would Jojo need to go to college for? She already has a ton of Money and profit from her tours and gigs, and doesn't have to be wasting it on useless years in the corrupt school system. Jojo is doing perfect all on her own. She doesn't need to make a pointless escape to a foreign country nor does she need to fake friends with anyone either.
@Sarahkara1313
@Sarahkara1313 11 ай бұрын
JoJo has been groomed since the minute she stepped foot on dance moms. I feel like people need to talk more about that in this whole thing
@Beauty_Bot
@Beauty_Bot 11 ай бұрын
THIS. Same with Sia grooming Maddie Ziegler. I hope people go easy on JoJo for this, girl has had it so hard and it'll take years before she can even see the damage done to her.
@MaliaMydnight
@MaliaMydnight 11 ай бұрын
THIS. 👏🏼👏🏼🤌🏼
@jennifervictore5471
@jennifervictore5471 11 ай бұрын
​@@FukaiKokorovery valid, point taken 👍
@annataymond9529
@annataymond9529 11 ай бұрын
Probably longer honestly. There's no way she's ever had a normal relationship with parents that are ok with that happening to her. She's always be raised to think abuse is ok.
@nicoletheseeker6139
@nicoletheseeker6139 11 ай бұрын
Right and she was like half nakid on national TV as a little girl weirdddddd
@joray5756
@joray5756 11 ай бұрын
Also if she was groomed, she may honestly not aware of the abuse. Unfortunately, abuse is sneaky and involves brainwashing.
@TankZappa
@TankZappa 11 ай бұрын
Yeah she was groomed (very publicly on KZfaq) and clearly has not realized it yet. It's extremely disturbing that there are no adults in her life to snap her out of this trance. Clearly everyone just sees $ signs instead of an actual person. Jojo has YEARS of therapy ahead of her. (and that's the best case scenario.)
@thistley_42
@thistley_42 11 ай бұрын
Yes, particularly given her very public, atypical childhood her frame of reference for what normal adult/child relationships and peer friendships look like will be completely skewed.
@toxicradiant9858
@toxicradiant9858 11 ай бұрын
​@@thistley_42 exactly this. Last I checked she's still friends with Abby from dance moms too and that lady put her through hell on camera, I'd hate to see what this girl went through off camera. Her whole life she was predator bait.
@Lucaz99
@Lucaz99 11 ай бұрын
@@TankZappashe was on Dance Moms with Abby Lee Miller, that reality show was awful and abusive. So yes, her parents clearly have been trying to put Jojo in the limelight at whatever cost since she was little.
@THEDubbleHelixx
@THEDubbleHelixx 11 ай бұрын
​@@TankZappa My worry is that at this point, there is no snapping out of it for her. She might just believe this is okay behavior forever.
@AKbaby89
@AKbaby89 11 ай бұрын
As a disabled person, id LOVE to hear what Jojo thinks miranda sings did for the internet other than ableism in shit lipstick. Id really love to hear how the hell miranda sings was positive in literally ANY way
@erinifty
@erinifty 11 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏this part
@ursulanicsuibhne4972
@ursulanicsuibhne4972 11 ай бұрын
The notion anyone does anything for the internet is bizarre. But if we are to accept it as a thing, then she's done awful things like propagating harmful stereotypes, grooming and exploitation.
@irradiated_woman8016
@irradiated_woman8016 11 ай бұрын
Now THAT is a good take.
@Lucaz99
@Lucaz99 11 ай бұрын
FACTS. Unfunny ableist-racist groomer.
@liviwaslost
@liviwaslost 11 ай бұрын
And the fetishization of gay and bisexual men.
@evoltscoffee
@evoltscoffee 11 ай бұрын
the moment a kid starts to think "i'm suuuuuper mature for my age/i feel like an adult in a kid's body" that's a BIG red flag for grooming.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 11 ай бұрын
Reminds me of all the teens that defend age gaps, especially if the younger person is under 25 and the adult is like 35+.
@amandamandamands
@amandamandamands 11 ай бұрын
The problem is that she has spent her whole life in an adult environment (the only time she consistently spent with children her age was the time on Dance Moms and that doesn't give you that dynamic either), she even joined in every Nickelodeon meeting and they signed when she was 12-13. She was home-schooled her whole life, finished her schooling at 15 and was touring at 16 (by all accounts she was very involved in how the tour should look). So under some metrics she was acting like an adult from a very young age.
@growingoaks
@growingoaks 11 ай бұрын
that's a gigantic stretch tbh. most teenagers will say or think this at some point, regardless of whether or not they were groomed so that's not really an indicator for, really, anything tbh. edit: maybe it was just where i lived, maybe it was just the people i talked to, but thats a common thing kids say.
@lunamonetmonroe
@lunamonetmonroe 11 ай бұрын
@@growingoaksNo, it’s not just you or where you’re from, it’s like that everywhere. I felt that way when I was like 15-17 & never once was I groomed or anywhere near an age gap relationship. It’s quite a normal thing *most* teens (girls esp) feel & experience w/o any of what the OP mentioned…not that it doesn’t happen, but it is not a way to gauge things imo.
@apathybronson
@apathybronson 11 ай бұрын
Every kid says or thinks that. Sitting with that thought and working through it is literally the reason for 'teenager' as a social construct
@BoxOKittens
@BoxOKittens 11 ай бұрын
Unhealthy relationships between kids and adults can be so insidious. They can make you feel an obligation to defend the adult and downplay their actions.
@Beauty_Bot
@Beauty_Bot 11 ай бұрын
THIS. I honestly feel bad for Jojo and all the other girls from that dance show, it's like they never grew up because they're surrounded by adult creeps who benefit from their naiveté. (See also: Sia and Maddie Ziegler.)
@MsCarringtonsYoutube
@MsCarringtonsYoutube 10 ай бұрын
Colleen didn't groom nor harm Jojo in any way.
@stitcherywitchery8611
@stitcherywitchery8611 11 ай бұрын
How Jojo's parents were ok with this grown ass woman talking about porn and vaginas in a video with their 12-13 yo is beyond my level of understanding.
@KD-bh2ju
@KD-bh2ju 11 ай бұрын
It's absolutely horrifying but I'm not surprised considering they allowed her to be on Dance Moms. No decent parent would ever give adults (in person or through media) access to their children like this. This poor girl seemingly has nobody in her corner, so no wonder she thinks her relationship with Colleen is normal. :(
@amandamandamands
@amandamandamands 11 ай бұрын
Jess has said that she saw something special in JoJo and so her goal was to make JoJo a star. Seems like she grabbed any opportunity that came along and at some stage JoJo took that on herself as both Jess and JoJo said that her KZfaq channel was all JoJo (ideas, editing etc)
@Thenewboidahlia
@Thenewboidahlia 11 ай бұрын
Literallyyyyy.
@annataymond9529
@annataymond9529 11 ай бұрын
They also let her be abused for national television though, so it's not that shocking.
@annataymond9529
@annataymond9529 11 ай бұрын
@@NadaNope the type of mom to agree to exploiting their child like that isn’t going to care enough
@hispanicattacks4603
@hispanicattacks4603 11 ай бұрын
I honestly don’t care what JoJo says, Colleen being friends with her AT ALL, is WEIRD. Why would Colleen be friends with a minor period. That’s not okay.
@iloveyourunclebob
@iloveyourunclebob 11 ай бұрын
The "same industry" line from Howie's daughter was wild. Like the 16 year old cashier and the 40 year old cook at a KFC are in the same industry on the same level.
@highdefinition90s
@highdefinition90s 11 ай бұрын
Right like I never realised they were irl friends. I genuinely think context matters and I’m WAY more concerned that 12 yr old jojo considered herself 30 yr old Colleen’s friend. I will acknowledge albeit disagree that an argument could be made by some that they could be colleges on videos using one another to fuel capitalism whatever but for her to believe and have felt herself personal friends with someone from 12-20 who was 30-38? I may be off one or two hrs but let’s be honest it doesn’t change it. Icky icky icky get her a sponsorship in the grey bar hotel
@Zectifin
@Zectifin 10 ай бұрын
you can definitely be a mentor to a kid and help guide them through life and struggles as a kid and a teen, but calling it and acting like friends is different. They weren't giving Jojo guidance on relationship struggles like a parent or teacher would, they were gossiping with her like preteen girlfriends.
@OverEverything438
@OverEverything438 10 ай бұрын
I remember thinking that during Colleen's pregnancy reveal video ( the only video I've watched of hers). Then noticed other videos with them together. I saw her with Jojo and was like " what the..." tried rationalizing it as a youtuber thing, something I wouldn't understand because I only saw like 2 videos . Also I was watching too much SVU.
@MsCarringtonsYoutube
@MsCarringtonsYoutube 10 ай бұрын
It's not weird at all. Colleen can be friends with whoever she pleases, point blank. And Jojo is grown now and still chooses to be friends with Colleen ballinger, so they are free to do whatever they want.
@paranormalauraa
@paranormalauraa 11 ай бұрын
I was groomed at age 15, I am now 26 years old and have only just started realising how serious the situation I was in actually was. I definitely think Jojo was groomed, and I think because she is still surrounded with these people, she does not realise. I hope Jojo can see the truth soon
@Something125_
@Something125_ 11 ай бұрын
I believe Jojo was groomed multiple times in her life. Being a child star, constantly in the spotlight and being on Dance Moms, a show with lots of controversy for a lot of reasons, and having to collaborate with big influencers so young, it’s very likely that she’d have a messy relationship with adults around her. I feel bad for her, but I think Jojo is getting to an age where she should be starting to realize how messed up this stuff is. I don’t hate Jojo, but it’s so frustrating and sad that she’s going along with this.
@LunaBeth97
@LunaBeth97 11 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, it feels like too many of the dance moms kids have been groomed (too many= more than zero). Like Maddy Ziegler also had that weird relationship with Sia and tbh I think bring in that hypercritical environment where the adults are like unquestionable gods that should always be obeyed so young really primed them for being taken advantage of. They were actually already being taken advantage of during filming that show but it's really scary and sad how adults are still going to take advantage of these people even though they're now adults.
@BeingBriony
@BeingBriony 11 ай бұрын
Rachel is much closer to jojo than colleen, they hang out without colleen ALOT. Not excusing colleen, just giving rachel the spotlight she deserves for her wierd behavior
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 11 ай бұрын
I think that’s partially why Jojo is defending Colleen. SMH
@kotakacy4378
@kotakacy4378 11 ай бұрын
I heard that there have been rumors & speculation for YEARS that JoJo and Rachel are dating. The fact that JoJo, someone who met this family as a minor, is being speculated to be dating one of them is extremely concerning and troubling.
@morgueish
@morgueish 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, to the point that for a while people were debating whether they were dating 😬 no adult needs to be around an unrelated child so much that people start wondering if the connection is romantic
@Lucaz99
@Lucaz99 11 ай бұрын
Yet, Rachel still stopped talking to JoJo because Colleen was mad at her? Does Colleen have her entire little family wrapped so tightly around her bony little fingers?
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 11 ай бұрын
@@Lucaz99she’s still talking to Rachel right now tho. Rachel went on a trip with Jojo recently .
@RoCkbunny769
@RoCkbunny769 11 ай бұрын
People like to say Colleen’s “grooming” isn’t S/ual, because they compare her grooming style to the usual grooming we see from *men*. Women predators get away with a lot of S abuse due specifically to people assuming women abuse the same way as men. Often, it’s sneakier, less obvious, or completely ignored because they are women. Her obsession with talking to young girls about their periods, pro-ED bodies, virginity all scream CSP to me. But because she’s a woman, and not doing what male predators do, it’s pushed aside as not s. But most of my abusers were women, and a lot of them were and talked exactly like Colleen. Just because she’s not physically assaulting them, does not mean she doesn’t get some sort of personal physical gratification from seeing young kids talk like this.
@AllLifeIsTravesty
@AllLifeIsTravesty 11 ай бұрын
So sorry to hear you had to experience that at all, I hope you're in a better and safer place in life now. And it really is frightening just how often predatory behavior from women is dismissed due to their gender. Women caught and even legally convicted of s*xual abuse towards minors never seem to garner the same public outrage or even serve the same jail-time as male predators do. It's horrifying to me how people seem to think that abuse is somehow "less" traumatic just because a woman did it. I can only hope that more people start addressing just how dangerous this mindset is and how much it demeans and belittles the trauma of the victims.
@goodforthesoul3050
@goodforthesoul3050 11 ай бұрын
Interesting
@user-ui2tj7or7u
@user-ui2tj7or7u 11 ай бұрын
same. my abusers/bullies were all woman, and it was deeply traumatic. Ontop of that, being treated like it wasn't that bad, or that I was overly sensitive/'seeing things'. My own brother sayign to my face 'oh the only people who get abused by woman are mentally challenged/r*t*rds..' like thanks!!!!!!!!!!! My heart is with you and all the victims. Woman are fully just as capable of abuse and manipulation and know how to use people's patriactal perceptions of 'motherly gentle females' to cover their ass.
@MissCaraMint
@MissCaraMint 11 ай бұрын
I feel that there is also the element of what Colleen saught to gain from Jojo and the other kids was first of all emotional fulfillment rather than sexual fulfillment, and of course free labor, and in the case of Jojo status. It’s different from the grooming we are used to seeing. But it’s obviously still grooming.
@goodforthesoul3050
@goodforthesoul3050 11 ай бұрын
It makes me wonder about her childhood…
@BunniBeshara
@BunniBeshara 11 ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter if there *aren’t any sinister intentions with Rachel and Jojo. The fact that she’s making inappropriate conversations normal for Jojo is part of the definition of grooming.
@annataymond9529
@annataymond9529 11 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people, (and possibly even Colleen herself) don't realize that you don't have to be a literal pedophile to be a groomer.
@Megan.eco-Instinct
@Megan.eco-Instinct 11 ай бұрын
To have an entire "circle of friends" who were adults is inappropriate enough, *but* it is worse. All of them *especially Colleen* created content with JoJo that was *all* sexual innuendo. Colleen and her ridiculous character Miranda was nothing but sexual innuendo, race baiting, elitist, ableist, ageist content. And that was kicked into high gear with JoJo. It's like she thought all of her sexual innuendo was definitely funny if it was directed toward children. I was never - in real time - familiar with Colleen or the Miranda character but after becoming more familiar with it, I honestly don't know how this was ever successful. First... it was just dumb and *embarrassingly UNfunny* . But also, there was not ever one parent who was like ... _hmmm she seems like a nice enough woman but I am not comfortable with this kind of sexual exchange she is having with my child_ Really? There was never any question? This definitely shows how *easy* is it for a woman to be a groomer and/or to be sexually inappropriate with children, and in general, the ease with which we excuse "celebrity" misbehavior.
@frumtheground
@frumtheground 11 ай бұрын
How do you bold and italicize words???
@Megan.eco-Instinct
@Megan.eco-Instinct 11 ай бұрын
@@frumtheground Hi. You just need to use the underscore _ right before and right after the words you want italicized
@Megan.eco-Instinct
@Megan.eco-Instinct 11 ай бұрын
@@frumtheground sorry, I forgot to tell you about the bold. To bold you use the asterisk * right before and right after the words you want bold
@frumtheground
@frumtheground 11 ай бұрын
@@Megan.eco-Instinct thank you! 😊
@Megan.eco-Instinct
@Megan.eco-Instinct 11 ай бұрын
@@frumtheground certainly!
@weirdroadkill
@weirdroadkill 11 ай бұрын
Jojo saying Colleen isn’t a groomer because she’s known her since she was twelve is the WILDEST argument
@theq8688
@theq8688 11 ай бұрын
I do believe that young adults can be friends with teenagers without being inappropriate. I think it can be beneficial to teenagers without older siblings specifically to find friends among older people. However, colleens approach to her friendship with Jojo was absolutely not appropriate. And at one point Jojo will have to recognise that.
@SammyLammy1D
@SammyLammy1D 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I agree! I have friends who are 4-5 years older than me that I met when I was 16 and 17. But that's also the difference. Had I met them when I was 12 and they were 18 and 19, it would still be weird. Like, why would that want to hang out with me? But then again, I am close friends with a 14 year old now, but that's a family friend and my best friend's sister. I have known that girl since she was like 3 years old and I treat her like my sister.
@dazeslays
@dazeslays 11 ай бұрын
i agree. it bothers me that cases like this make people think all inter-generational relationships are inappropriate. children and adults can have perfectly healthy relationships, like casual friendships, mentorships, or honorary uncle/aunt/cousin/brother/sister dynamics. but a grown ass adult should not be best friends with a middle schooler. it's up to the adult to set up boundaries and say no, i don't think we should be talking about this. morally decent adults are perfectly capable of that, but clearly colleen isn't. jojo needs to think about why colleen was unable to forge friendships with people her own age and had to resort to texting child stars.
@momomomo__
@momomomo__ 11 ай бұрын
absolutely. i was (still am) in a group chat that was created from a livestream of some youtubers that i liked. i had just turned 16 at the time and there was a 12 year old in the chat. now i'm 23 and they're 18, and they come to me for advice, help with getting into uni, advice on life in general, etc. we're friends, but not like i am with people my age. even when the chat started, i'd never act around them in a sexual way, and that was coming from a 16 year old. there was an abundance of sexual content regarding those youtubers and the older ones in the chat always did their best to keep that away from the younger ones. obviously we're just online friends, so we can't fully protect them, but we did our best. even when i was 18, starting iuniversity, exploring my sexuality, all that usual stuff, i knew to keep it off the chat, because there was a 14 year old in there at the time. they grew up to be a lovely person and it's very much like a little sibling relationship we in the chat have with them. if a bunch of 14 to 16 year olds in mid to late 2000s youtube culture know to to be inappropriate with a kid, so do grown adults.
@Biggestgayestbird
@Biggestgayestbird 11 ай бұрын
I think if it’s more of a “mentorship” than a friendship and the adult maintains boundaries around things like their own romantic life and similar topics then it’s ok. But absolutely the adult needs to consistently and repeatedly reinforce those boundaries in a lot of conversations.
@rosenrot234
@rosenrot234 11 ай бұрын
She's rich so you know she won't recognize it
@kevinz.9785
@kevinz.9785 11 ай бұрын
For my two cents, I think Jojo grew up in that warped child celebrity world that distorts their understanding of the world. Us that are grounded are looking at this from the outside and can see the bigger picture. From Jojo's perspective, she knows nothing different.
@Idkidkdiddssdeadsadsadsad
@Idkidkdiddssdeadsadsadsad 11 ай бұрын
i agree
@AkiVainio
@AkiVainio 11 ай бұрын
"27 year old in an 8 year old's body"... isn't this exactly what groomers like to convince their victims of?
@karlaf.64
@karlaf.64 11 ай бұрын
My sister is 14 and I’m 28. I have ZERO in common with her and her friends beside the sibling relationship. I cannot imagine befriending any of my sisters friends because we are in such different points of our lives that there is zero common ground. Anyone who excuses colleen/Rachel or any other creepy ADULT who was besties with Jojo need to be held accountable. Jojo may not even realize that those relationships where not normal as she has never had any time to be away from that.
@FrenkTheJoy
@FrenkTheJoy 11 ай бұрын
Colleen is gross but like, plenty of 28 year olds and 14 year olds play the same sorts of video games and watch the same tv shows and listen to the same music. I couldn't stand hanging out with a 14 year old but I could see how a 28 year old would find things to do with a 14 year old that are appropriate and don't involve, like, selling lingerie. But it is weird to be BESTIES with a 14 year old when you're 28.
@Biggestgayestbird
@Biggestgayestbird 11 ай бұрын
Honestly at 20, I had absolutely not processed the grooming I went through as a teen. I don’t think Jojo victim blaming is ok, but I also think that’s important to recognize that victims will defend their abusers when they are unable to process their own experience. Adam is incredible and brilliantly articulate, and his self insight at his age is something to be proud of, but I think a lot of 20 year olds who have been through a live like Jojo’s are going to be able to understand everything at that point as well as he is.
@babywussycat602
@babywussycat602 11 ай бұрын
honestly the difference in Adam and Jojo processing their grooming is likely due to the difference in parental support they had. Adam has talked about his parents wanting to be with him when he met up with Colleen or how upset they were when they learned about the lingerie, whereas Jojo's mom apparently would just leave her alone.. I wouldn't be surprised if Adam had a stronger foundation of self-respect and healthy relationships with adults than Jojo does. It's harder to process trauma when you have absolutely no reference point for what is healthy.
@lisayoung3655
@lisayoung3655 11 ай бұрын
Jojo has been manipulated, brainwashed and used by so many adults that should have known better, it might take years but I hope she wakes up and realises how messed up these situations she was in.
@heather957
@heather957 11 ай бұрын
This is REALLY reminding me of the Sia situation with Maddie Ziegler. I feel so bad for Jojo in that regard, and I hope she can one day understand that she has been brainwashed and essentially groomed as well. This isn't remotely okay or acceptable.
@BunniBeshara
@BunniBeshara 11 ай бұрын
Rachel has been frustratingly left out of this controversy. Thank you for putting her in this.
@AHealingPhoenix
@AHealingPhoenix 11 ай бұрын
I’ve been working since I was 8 and started off working as a child musician. My first music teacher was a covert version of Abby Lee Miller and my mother is an abusive narcissist on top of it so, as you can imagine, my early years were an absolute nightmare and living hell. The neglect from Jojo’s parents and the parentification of Jojo by the adults around her caused her to mature early no different than I experienced as a child. I 100% agree with everything you said in this video and honestly fear Jojo is at risk of becoming a groomer herself because of the people she associates with like James Charles, Colleen Ballinger, Shane Dawson, etc. Each of these people have displayed behavior that is predatory. She sees no problem with the behavior now as a result which is why I can see her becoming the very thing we are saying is bad right now. I hope she doesn’t, but it’s a concern.
@Autumn-Leafeon
@Autumn-Leafeon 11 ай бұрын
There's two endings available: - She realizes she was groomed and reality and PTSD hits her hard after years of refusal to acknowledge it. - or she becomes (or already is) just like the people who groomed her.
@AHealingPhoenix
@AHealingPhoenix 11 ай бұрын
@@Autumn-Leafeon agreed! Personally I’d prefer her see what happened and get the help she needs to unpack it than become one 😔
@ingozingo626
@ingozingo626 11 ай бұрын
i work with 14 year olds and i truly have nothing in common nor have any desire to and im only 23 i can understand if you're trying to be a mentor or a "big sister" figure but in those relationships you need to keep the child at an arms length because you know better than to get too close bc kids don't have boundaries you need to set them for them
@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops
@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think friendship between adults and kids is perfectly fine. But also, I think my definition of "friendship" may be broader than others. If you're an adult who has a friendship with a kid, and you aren't keeping that kid at arm's length, it's an issue. That whole saying of "It takes a village to raise a child" is why I think it's healthy for children and adults to be friends. But at a distance. Don't go making besties with your 12 year old neighbour at 18, you know? But you can be their cool babysitter or something. I'm just saying all of this cuz I agree with you and think that maybe I have a different definition of friendship than other people.
@bluetiger2468
@bluetiger2468 11 ай бұрын
@@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops The definition of "friendship" needs to be clarified. How I see it is the kid can view the adult as a friend/role model, but the adult can't view it as a real friendship. Because you can talk about personal stuff to your friends like relationships, work, drama, breakups, financial issues, all that type of stuff. But you don't talk about your personal life to a kid because you can't seek that type of comfort from a kid. It's not right. Colleen crossed those lines too many times. I also work with kids and there is no way I'd view any of them as friends. I'm nice to them, but that's it.
@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops
@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops 11 ай бұрын
@@bluetiger2468 I'd consider it a surface level friendship. You are right. You can't talk about personal things like how you would with friends of your own age. I think we are describing the same thing. I wouldn't go around calling a child my friend. But a child might view me as their friend and feel cool and special cuz someone older considers them a friend. Even if it's not a proper friendship, I think it's easier to label that as a friendship than to say "Some kid I interact with sometimes on the sidewalk who loves talking to me and I think they're a cool kid."
@s2sHoXXs2
@s2sHoXXs2 11 ай бұрын
​@@bluetiger2468its a "real" friendship, just not a deep or close friendship. like, its valuable, but its totally different than a friendship between 2 adults.
@SpoonieCreates
@SpoonieCreates 11 ай бұрын
Adults behaving in a way that makes children comfortable with having inappropriate conversations with them is literal gr**ming. I hope JoJo sees the truth eventually
@incineroar9933
@incineroar9933 11 ай бұрын
Jojos family absolutely failed to protect her from this monster.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 11 ай бұрын
And her monster family
@Oliviaandtrina
@Oliviaandtrina 11 ай бұрын
From many monsters
@aidanham
@aidanham 11 ай бұрын
Agree. Additionally IMHO they should've protected her from themselves aswell. No under aged individual should be seen as a business woman. It's fine for kids to explore what they like (dancing, acting, performing) but all in a balance because at the end of the day letting a child be a child is so freaking important in their development. Being a child with an adult soul (or forced into an adult role) is not the admirable trait some folk in this society make it out to be. It's abusive.
@annataymond9529
@annataymond9529 11 ай бұрын
Because they're the ones that started it. She was abused on national television
@Lucifersfursona
@Lucifersfursona 11 ай бұрын
Jojo’s family introducing her to these monsters and telling her to go make nice for the brand opportunities:
@spaceunicorn6000
@spaceunicorn6000 11 ай бұрын
Accidental paranormal activity caught on camera. Vangelina: Can you not?
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
Honestly I was so done lmao
@seanthewonton
@seanthewonton 11 ай бұрын
Peak Irish
@melmel1071
@melmel1071 11 ай бұрын
Honesty ghosts these days are just so disrespectful.
@myamoore1690
@myamoore1690 11 ай бұрын
I really think she's in a state of denial because once you acknowledge it she will have to confront the multiple inappropriate relationships she's had with adults which will be traumatizing. And she very well could be blocking out memories which is a common trauma response.
@1991LMR
@1991LMR 11 ай бұрын
I think soon everyone will notice and wonder why we didn't see Rachels creepy behaviour with Jojo being right in front of our face. It always felt weird, a grown woman having a friendship like that
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 11 ай бұрын
I think that Rachel has feelings for Jojo 🤮
@mojo4293
@mojo4293 11 ай бұрын
Actually, I did.
@D_YellowMadness
@D_YellowMadness 7 ай бұрын
Anyone who say they didn't is lying unless they've been groomed too.
@Pippis78
@Pippis78 11 ай бұрын
I think adults and kids can be friends and it shouldn't be that weird. But the adult shouldn't treat kids like adults and should also remember that they are adult themselves and they have to be responsible and mindful with their interactions with children. Jojo was clearly treated like an adult and it kinda feels some of these adults wanted to feel and act like teenagers themselves. Also I hate all competitive hobbies/"hobbies" children are put into and especially the truly creepy ones like pageantry and often dancing that sexualise children.
@fourever2ne1
@fourever2ne1 11 ай бұрын
Colleen’s “friendship” with Jojo always kinda gave me the ick.The only thing I could think of is that they wanted to be “friends” with her for her fame….because honestly,I feel like that whole family wants to be famous….but now they’re infamous
@TippiTappi
@TippiTappi 11 ай бұрын
I can't help but feel so much empathy for JoJo. She was sold to the entertainment industry as a toddler basically, forced into this weird exaggerated sparkley box even into her adulthood. A world trying to keep her a child forever, but forcing her to work and behave as an adult because it makes them money. It's easy to see why she latched onto the Ballinger's. They *look* like a perfect happy family, something she probably hasn't experienced much of. It sucks that they have been using her just like so many other people.
@0hermitworm
@0hermitworm 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, there's a seventeen year difference here. I don't think we should give a full pass to Jojo for backing Colleen, but I will be very unsurprised to find Jojo realizing how much she was groomed years from now.
@OroHoneyLemon
@OroHoneyLemon 11 ай бұрын
I understand that Jojo may have been groomed. My question to that is, at what point should people start holding her accountable for the people she protects, the things she says?
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
We should absolutely hold her accountable, but it’s still important to note the circumstances
@Redwaters
@Redwaters 11 ай бұрын
I would like to think that either when Jojo has her "see the light" moment or when an intervention happens that will make her realize what has truly happened to her, she will probably hold herself accountable for her words and actions. I hope when that happens, she will at least private apologizes to everyone she hurt.
@bobtheball5384
@bobtheball5384 11 ай бұрын
@@VangelinaSkov Me too honestly, that'd be the most ideal outcome from this rather than her just becoming an abuser
@GigiBranconi
@GigiBranconi 11 ай бұрын
​@@RedwatersShe's 20 already. You don't think that moment has come and gone? Maybe she's just a bad rich person. Maybe she really just doesn't care. She's an adult. She should act like one.
@WeiYinChan
@WeiYinChan 11 ай бұрын
@@GigiBranconi20 year olds’ brains are not even fully developed yet… and also people don’t just magically have years of grooming undone the moment they are legally an adult
@auntiefish4192
@auntiefish4192 11 ай бұрын
I do have *some* sympathy for JoJo. She’s still young and clearly all the adults around her have been taking advantage of her for her whole life. I think maybe accepting what Colleen has done wrong would mean reevaluating a lot of her relationships and realising some very troubling things about them. She’s obviously not ready to do that yet. But that sympathy ends where she dismisses the victims as liars.
@Cbbartelt
@Cbbartelt 11 ай бұрын
Colleen was not FRIENDS with JoJo. I am a year older than Colleen and I know people who graduated the same year as me and have a child the age of JoJo Siwa. You CANNOT be friends with someone young enough to be your child. You can be friends with the parent and it’s your friends kid and you could even take your friends kid to the mall or for smoothies or whatever but it’s babysitting. I mean I babysat kids who are older than JoJo. Again, you CANNOT be friends with someone young enough to be your child. You can’t talk to them about your life or your issues or relationships. That is abusive.
@CNYKnifeNut
@CNYKnifeNut 11 ай бұрын
This feels like a whole lot of crazy from someone still brainwashed by the whole "stranger danger" ignorance of the 80s/90s.
@ninimeggie4771
@ninimeggie4771 11 ай бұрын
For the longest time I thought Jojo and Colleen were relatives and that's why they hung out a lot and did videos despite the age gap...
@aprilrivas5071
@aprilrivas5071 11 ай бұрын
The ghost of Colleen’s ukulele is haunting your lamp 😂 No but seriously, I wish JoJo had any self awareness to see that not only is her many relationships with 30-something year old KZfaqrs not right at all, but those adults do not have innocent intentions with her. They all have either used her for views, money, or to be a pawn in their war against their ex. Colleen did all three 🤦🏻‍♀️
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
The god damn ukulele I knew it 😡
@maria_dream10
@maria_dream10 11 ай бұрын
You cannot ask someone that has been a victim since she was 12 and maybe less, to be aware of grooming. She has been and is still being groomed. I am not defending Colleen (she can rot for all I care), but you have two sides here: Adam, he had adults who cared and stopped the situation and Jojo who doesn't have adults in her life that care for her wellbeing.
@TheTypewriterError
@TheTypewriterError 11 ай бұрын
Too many trees died to make that poor ukelele. Nature is unwell and seeks out to destroy that which defiled it.
@AKbaby89
@AKbaby89 11 ай бұрын
Its not false allegations of black face just because it was dark green and not black paint. She had paint on her face and instead of taking it off when she switched her clothes, she left it on to sing the Beyonce song. She CHOSE to keep dark green face paint on while singing a black womans song. Thats still blackface.
@LitcheTheArsm
@LitcheTheArsm 11 ай бұрын
YES THIS.
@theq8688
@theq8688 11 ай бұрын
I don't think that colleen has dirt on Jojo. I think Jojo has been looking up to her as a role model and a dear friend after Jojo got burned by her friends and rolemodels in her dacing carreer. Jojo had people in her life at a very young age who did more horrible things to her that she probably never noticed that what colleen did in those videos was inappropriate and she probably can't see it now bc that would mean that yet another friend and rolemodel let her down. And if colleen can't have let her down then obviously all those other people must have overreacted or played things up for views or what ever. Jojo needs to believe in colleens innocence.
@devinsethna1287
@devinsethna1287 11 ай бұрын
25:49 the term “Brace yourselves” comes from the Middle Ages, you see, knights would wear these braces on their arms under their armor when going out to battle. So when knights were told to brace themselves, it meant that they needed go get suited up and ready for action
@TheSuperRee
@TheSuperRee 11 ай бұрын
I think this probably boils down to if Jojo admits that it happened, she has to admit it happened to her
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 11 ай бұрын
There are a lot of abusers in the entertainment industry. But there are also a lot of enablers. Enablers ally themselves with abusers, and they are a big part of how its all gotten so bad.
@pembrokelove
@pembrokelove 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for being the only creator ai’ve seen cover this so far to recognize that, while an adult now, Jojo Siwa is just barely an adult and a victim herself in many ways in this. She may well look back on this in five or ten years and only then begin to realize the ways she has been exploited by creators and her own family. We have to meet victims where they are. Jojo just isn’t there yet.
@olivethunderbird
@olivethunderbird 11 ай бұрын
The only reason I can think why Rachel reached out to JoJo is because JoJo can get her clout/money/fame/whatever.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 11 ай бұрын
This
@koda5209
@koda5209 11 ай бұрын
Watching this, I feel like they're laughing every time something inappropriate is said. It feels icky
@koda5209
@koda5209 11 ай бұрын
Also your light flickered a lot more than noted
@audreyjoann8355
@audreyjoann8355 11 ай бұрын
See I understand collabing with jojo cause she’s very famous? But to be FRIENDS and constantly hang out is so weird!!! I hope jojo realizes it soon.
@Mud.lemons
@Mud.lemons 11 ай бұрын
About the paint thing, I personally feel that it was black face no matter what colour of paint she put on her face because why would she need to paint her face for a Beyoncé impression?
@609Blackrose
@609Blackrose 11 ай бұрын
I turned on my PS5 which makes a noise, then coincidentally you started looking straight at my PS5 looking for a noise, this made me laugh.
@nightrocker1343
@nightrocker1343 11 ай бұрын
Brace yourself is like tensing your body in preparation for an impact. I'm sure you've already googled this, but I like educating people about fun little phrases. Also, this distracts from this horrifying content.
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
I did not Google it so thank you haha
@nightrocker1343
@nightrocker1343 11 ай бұрын
@VangelinaSkov You are very welcome! I've been really enjoying your content. I only started following this type of stuff since Illuminaghtii's explosive downfall.
@lailawebster5778
@lailawebster5778 11 ай бұрын
my gosh colleen is literally a master groomer, jojo is like “i defend her because i dont want to be shut out for a year again” “she told me secrets about her marriage that stayed between us” “colleen says im mature for my age” these all sound so disgustingly familiar like theyre right from the groomer textbook
@sainthannah3711
@sainthannah3711 11 ай бұрын
30:12 The toxic gossip ghost entered the chat
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
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@jc3drums916
@jc3drums916 11 ай бұрын
Re: things Jojo said as an adult, I don't know if it's completely fair to say "Jojo's an adult now, she should know better" if nothing in her life gave her the opportuntiy to learn that lesson. The real "should" here is she should've had a better upbringing and positive role models.
@tashacooper1753
@tashacooper1753 11 ай бұрын
She is a child star so I kind of get why she seems to be trying to yank her own career
@madsfiedler3884
@madsfiedler3884 11 ай бұрын
if shane can get in trouble for making genital jokes, colleen can get in trouble for them too :D
@shilohhighland6716
@shilohhighland6716 11 ай бұрын
Hearing about Jojo’s mom makes me think about the stories told about my aunt and grandma. This was during the 70s where they lived at the time was Malibu, CA. My aunt would have been 9-10 in 1975, and she was left alone for photo shoots and on sets to be an extra. I don’t know if she was ever apart of a children show. However, she is apart of a case as one of the handful of girls that were sexually taken advantage of. From the pieces I have gathered, it was from then on that my grandmother called my aunt a bad daughter then a witch at age 15 and still that today. I do not know if that is the dynamic Jojo does or would have with her mother, but it does make me hurt that Jojo might never see how wrong this was for her like my aunt did
@yvaincallipso84
@yvaincallipso84 11 ай бұрын
I hope people give her the empathy she deserves when she realizes what happened to her. And I do hope that if she was repeating and continuing the cycle of inappropriateness with her own fans she realizes how wrong it is and doesn't let it get this far
@alexlinkey1524
@alexlinkey1524 11 ай бұрын
I definitely think everything JoJo said was fed to her by Colleen. I’m sure that’s what Colleen said to her behind the scenes & now we’re just hearing her repeat it. Very sad, I hope one day she realizes what’s happening..
@KCsFunHouse
@KCsFunHouse 10 ай бұрын
I have 30 nieces and nephews, once they reach the age they get cell phones I get their numbers and they have mine and I check in with them from time to time. It also gives them a direct line to me if they ever need me or if there’s something they’re scared to tell their parents I’m another trusted adult. They are part of my family thorough, they aren’t children I call my friends. This is so strange.
@Megan.eco-Instinct
@Megan.eco-Instinct 11 ай бұрын
And, the interview Jojo gave was worrisome to say the least. The misbehavior she was surrounded by was normalized from such a young age and I really don't think she is quite mature enough to understand how deeply inappropriate so many adults were with her. I hope what happened to Jojo didn't go past the her being so hypersexualized by Colleen (although that is certainly terrible enough on its own). At some point she is going to realize just how *wrong* the adults around her were but until then, I do wish she hadn't publicly spoken on it at all. She was obviously driven to take that too far. Regardless of anything else, it is terribly wrong of Jojo to disparage victims. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she is taking this public position at Colleen's urging, which if true, would mean Jojo is still being abused and exploited by Colleen.
@Rotten_Ralph
@Rotten_Ralph 10 ай бұрын
As an autistic adult I always want to be on the side of the children who want to be friends with adults, then I realize that neuro typically children have nothing in common with adults, and feel the extreme uncomfortable situation with an adult being on the other side. Remember that children want to be as grown up as possible, and any healthy adult, neuro typical, or divergent knows that boundaries are essential for any relationship to occur. The boundaries comment in the infamous ukulele video infuriates me to no end.
@ashalex9638
@ashalex9638 11 ай бұрын
15:28 just so you guys know, in the Spotify version of the podcast, Rachel does actually confirm that their "friendship-break" was because of Colleen's divorce
@aoifeking5068
@aoifeking5068 11 ай бұрын
Here not because I have any interest in the topic, but I like listening to your voice and how you formulate opinions and edit your videos. Would love if u had a podcast!
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
I might have something coming soon 👀
@chantznottherapper3920
@chantznottherapper3920 11 ай бұрын
See friendships like this in the workplace I feel is kind of normal when everyone has a strained relationship with their family. For example, I’m 20 and my friend is 17 but I feel like our friendship is like a sibling relationship. we want the best for one another and will always help each other but we’ll tease each other. I’ve never put her in a situation where her mental, physical or emotional well-being can be compromised. Ive also set boundaries where I do not talk about sex with her. With colleen, it’s weird because you know she doesn’t have boundaries and will expose these children to things they shouldn’t know. Now with her past being exposed, I feel extremely uncomfortable with the relationship she has with JoJo. At first I thought it was a coworker turned friendship but now it’s just plain weird.
@starlette7820
@starlette7820 11 ай бұрын
Im sorry but im going to judge the people who dont recoil immediately at the idea of a grown ass woman being "friends" with a child the same way they would with a man in the same situation. It absolutely is not understandable at all that people would somehow think that's ok, but only because shes a woman. Because it comes from preconcieved internal biases that only men can be predators, which just isn't true. People need to let go of the idea that all women are safe and cant be predators, or because it "happens less frequently" (it doesn't, it just isnt reported as often as it is for male predators so you cant use statistics as smoking gun evidence of this claim) it somehow "isn't as bad" and is totally okay to immediately judge a man but give a woman the benefit of the doubt for doing the same thing.
@alexlovespeace
@alexlovespeace 11 ай бұрын
Telling kids they act older than they are can be hella creepy and very problematic tbh. It gives the kid this false sense of maturity and makes them think that it’s okay participate in adult conversations and activities. It’s a tactic used by groomers to make the Child think there’s nothing wrong with being treated inappropriately for their age bc they “have the maturity of a 30 year old”. That’s simply just not true, ever. Kids can be mature but they are still children at the end of the day
@freygarroway3230
@freygarroway3230 10 ай бұрын
I only recently realized I was groomed from 13-19. Im now about to be 22 in a week and having to cope with the fact that I was unaware of it and that I have to go through therapy and deprogramming as well. I have so many holes in my memory and have thoughts that I shouldn’t have. And my family is now aware as well in this past year. I feel so bad for JoJo. I hope she realizes in a non traumatizing way.
@mse90
@mse90 11 ай бұрын
I will say this: I don't think it's healthy that nowadays we think it's categorically not okay for adults and children to be friends. It's a weird, relatively modern setup where even different age groups of adults have different spaces, and it would be much healthier if there was more interaction between generations. Not to mention that there are also cases and communities where children need that adult support because their parents are unable or unwilling to give it to them. (Also, the nuclear family is a construct, etc., but that's a whole other conversation.) That being said: yeah, a lot of those specific interactions are weird and inappropriate. 🤷
@Chaeley
@Chaeley 11 ай бұрын
This specific situation and a lot of other situations like this are weird and inappropriate, but yeah, it's weird seeing those relationships demonized in such a generalized way. People don't seem to realize that benign age gaps on online forums have existed for an entire generation now and they have likely participated in them. It's entirely possible to be friendly or even fandom friends with someone and have there be an incredibly wide age gap. As long as you keep the conversation on-topic and appropriate (like a fandom Discord where you're discussing a series with fellow fans), there is just no reason at all to be weird and creepy and interrupt every conversation with "But hey you're 18 though right? Hey are YOU 18?" Just don't discuss private or explicit things and everybody stays safe. But yeah in this case, it's not okay. They knew her age for a fact and were DMing her and talking about relationships. Very uncomfortable, I can't imagine why anyone would want to do this.
@amandasshadow9605
@amandasshadow9605 11 ай бұрын
When I was 24, one of my best friends was 16. But she was like my pseudo little sister. She was very wise for her age and we actually had a lot of things in common. My husband had grown up next door to this person and felt as if she was also his little sister. We always looked out for her and always had her back- even when she had breakups. She would come to our house crying and we'd talk her through it. It didn't feel weird. It just felt like we were supporting a family member- a little sister. Her mom loved us...and still does love us to this day. Sadly, our friend passed away at the age of 27 from accidental drowning. But we are still in touch with her mom and actual sister, who ended up adopting her son when she drowned. I'm not defending anyone in this JoJo/Ballinger situation, I'm just saying that it is possible for adults to be friends with a child and for it to not be weird at all. I will say, however, we never asked her what her favorite position was or asked about her tampon useage or made her fish snacks out of our pants. THAT is weird and just gross.
@jovana_kocic
@jovana_kocic 11 ай бұрын
Giirrrl you're almost at 100k . Great job! Love your videos ❤
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
Thank you 😭
@mizconti
@mizconti 11 ай бұрын
Omg! The way JoJo was super excited to get a call from Colleen and yearned for a “friendship” again. Example of grooming: she has a strong hold over JoJo - a child AND the entire family. So ducking twisted.
@hanamachii_
@hanamachii_ 11 ай бұрын
Im pretty sure Lucas Cruikshank tried to do a collab with Jojo but it was SO AWKWARD (probably due to the age difference among other things) he and she never released their videos.
@uninvincibleete
@uninvincibleete 11 ай бұрын
21:35 omfg?? Imagine if this was two guys sitting on a bed while a literal child is mad about being referred to as a child, and they joke about 'cuddling when she's 18'. Jesus Christ.
@afroborilafemme
@afroborilafemme 11 ай бұрын
I’m not the parent of a famous KZfaqr, but I am a parent, and it’s a downright shame how so many parents of child celebrities sell their children’s childhood innocence for fame, clout, and/or money. I would NEVER under any circumstances allow my child to interact privately with an adult I do not know on a personal level. My child doesn’t even do sleepovers unless it’s with family or close family friends. I understand KZfaq is a different kind of work environment. Most people film from their homes, so doing collabs is awkward already. But everybody has an image to uphold as well, so why wouldn’t you be there to watch what your CHILD is filming? When my child started to watch KZfaq, I watched with her. All her friends were watching JoJo and so I watched some videos first. JoJo’s content was not what I would deem child appropriate although she was a child herself. And I just couldn’t believe her mother thought these videos were okay to post on the internet. None of these children were protected and kept safe. None of Colleen’s victims, including JoJo, were protected by her, her family and associates, or their parents. Sure JoJo may be 20 now, but she’s still too young to understand how all the adults in her life failed her, how they were not her friends, how they should have protected her, how they used her for clout and likes. This doesn’t absolve her, but it explains how and why she would defend someone as vile as Colleen.
@QuietCatastrophe
@QuietCatastrophe 11 ай бұрын
"Oh I did not like that... eugh" is completely unrelated to the story and yet sums it up perfectly
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
Hahahahha honestly tho
@eldinakolakovic5450
@eldinakolakovic5450 11 ай бұрын
Rachel is so cringe. She needs a reality check. Why is she so friendly and inappropriate with a literal child?
@SunsetEnvy
@SunsetEnvy 11 ай бұрын
I feel like Colleen manipulated Jojo, there's something that happened behind the scenes we don't know, probably a lot of love bombing.
@mandymorrow5473
@mandymorrow5473 11 ай бұрын
The worst part about Jojo's statement is that kids who idolize her will see that and not know what to look out for in an abuser because they won't use Colleen as an example. One can only hope that parents will be there to tell their kids to disregard what Jojo is saying. Will that upset them being told not to listen to their idol? Maybe, but I'd rather they know the truth and be able to protect themselves as much as one can instead of thinking that Colleen is 1% in the right!
@JustAZillennial
@JustAZillennial 10 ай бұрын
I was stupid enough to hang out with a coworker who was in her 40s while I was in my mid-20s. It's a loneliness/clinginess thing. I'm used to hanging out with older people in general, so I didn't find it weird, but it became annoying when she wanted to hang out ALL THE TIME!!! At one point, she randomly brought up that her husband was upset about us hanging out, so I seriously told her that we should take a break and she should spend time with her family and friends. She immediately said, "No! No! I don't have anyone else to hang out with!" She got very clingy, whiny, and toxic to the point where I, in my 20s, felt like I was dealing with a child. I had been hanging out with five different people, plus my immediate family, while keeping myself occupied in my spare time, while she in her 40s, married with kids, only had me to hang out with? Around the time I officially ended our "friendship," she befriended a little girl 18 or 19 years old, and they started a dramatic incident around me.
@uninvincibleete
@uninvincibleete 11 ай бұрын
Jojo's mother should be in jail. Imagine dropping a teenage girl off, alone, to go to a bedroom with two grown men. She didn't even know if anyone else was in the house. She didn't even ask. Trisha has said basically the same thing (that Jojo's mom was nowhere to be found when they filmed their collab), and Colleen has mentioned the same thing. Is it any wonder that Jojo has no idea how badly she's been mistreated when her own mother doesn't care enough to do the bare minimum and be present? Cannot imagine dropping my kid off to make money for me like dropping them off at school. Jesus.
@lizardsofozz
@lizardsofozz 11 ай бұрын
Oh I agree with you wholeheartedly. The relationship Jojo has had with other adults is and was inappropriate. Her parents were not there for her and unfortunately Jojo raised herself. I applaud her for that but it is rough upbringing (from experience). @VangelinaSkov if any abuse happened while she was under the influence of Colleen or Rachel etc, I don't think we will ever know. I think that Jojo would have a hard time admitting to herself that it was inappropriate and has compartmentalized it. Even though I'm not a fan of Jojo Siwa (i'm an adult...why would I be) I do hope she finds a balance in her life where she can still be young and free but remember that she's an adult. When you've grown up as a child/adult your actual adulthood can be confusing. You learn relationship dynamics later than most but mature while still allowing yourself to remember the inner child or can even go the opposite end of the spectrum and be a toxic individual who never grows up. I hope for Jojo's sake its the former rather than the latter.
@bernienelson8926
@bernienelson8926 11 ай бұрын
It's so bizarre. My partner and I (both 33) run a Warhammer gaming group. We meet once a week, as well as once a month on a Saturday. We have two 14-year-old boys and a 17-year-old girl who come along, as well as some adults. We like hanging out with them, we get along with them, have a good time, have some laughs. BUT I cannot imagine hanging out with them outside of our hobby group. We have a Facebook group with 30 people, and the kids are a part of that. We'll all post pictures of our miniatures, and we'll comment on each other's pictures. Any chats are limited to discussing the upcoming meet-ups, seeing who's coming, who's bringing what. My partner and I have talked about how we have no interest in developing real relationships with these kids (because that's what they are, KIDS). They're our gaming buddies, but that's it. We hang out, we play Warhammer, we paint. But we don't talk about the serious details of our lives, we don't talk about our relationship, we don't even talk about difficult or negative things in the world because we want this group to be a safe place where these kids can be kids, with no pressure to be grown up. And if you're an adult, trying to be friends with a child, you're taking away their childhood, and that is just not fair. It's also just weird... I hear these kids talk, and I have no interest in getting their opinions about work or relationships or anything serious about my life in the way I would from a friend. Dude. They're still developing their sweet baby brains, I want them to keep stressing about their homework and the kids at school and whether their hair looks fuzzy and what to do when they finish school. I'm not going to put my shit on them, that'd just be cruel and weird.
@frankreads8618
@frankreads8618 11 ай бұрын
I kinda hate that Colleen's sister keeps laughing so uproariously during her podcast with Jojo. I wish people would realize that they don't have to laugh constantly during podcasts. It really does nothing to make the podcasts more informative, interesting, or entertaining. It's ok to take things seriously sometimes.
@WaffleSalad
@WaffleSalad 10 ай бұрын
I think part of why “we never noticed it” a lot of the people watching the vids were that age or younger, so they wouldn’t realize that’s not how an adult should be talking to a kid. I don’t fault anyone young for not noticing, but I wonder what parents thought about it. Like I know some kids just have unrestricted access to the internet, but that’s not every child. Was there not a parent who saw the videos and raised concern? I guess not because we see parents at the Colleen shows where it’s right in front of their faces
@DEADisBEAUTIFUL
@DEADisBEAUTIFUL 11 ай бұрын
JoJo was never allowed to be a child. She unfortunately may not have the best perspective because of the life that she was made to live. She is likely to side with the adults in her life because she has had to do this since she was a child.
@SmorangeMilver
@SmorangeMilver 11 ай бұрын
I agree with so much of this video but saying that Jojo is an adult now at 20 but was a child at 18 doesnt make sense to me. Legally speaking I understand but from a maturity standpoint both of those ages are children.
@katbland9149
@katbland9149 11 ай бұрын
That WHOLE family is very inappropriate with minors and it all started with Colleen. She gave her sick family a platform with hundreds of thousands of literal children who would throw themselves in front of a moving bus if it meant one of the Ballinger family members would talk to them. SMH They knew these fans were young and they knew these fans would do anything for them. Its gross and i really don't like any of it.
@mikalcarruthers
@mikalcarruthers 11 ай бұрын
I have no comment except i love your shirt Vangelina. It has the vacation vibes
@VangelinaSkov
@VangelinaSkov 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! It’s actually a dress 🥰
@GayGothPirate
@GayGothPirate 11 ай бұрын
"Her creativity is incredible" Jojo, her "creativity" is on level with the way kids in school used to make fun of disabled kids. And as an autistic person it really isn't that creative.
@danawork3904
@danawork3904 11 ай бұрын
Completely agree with your analysis. I felt like I was losing my mind when people were taking Jojo's take at face value without analyzing the perspective that she has due to the consistent debatably inappropriate behavior she's been exposed to throughout her life. She's the same age as Adam roughly, yes, but imo she's still too young to fully recognize that the way she's been treated throughout her life isn't normal and isn't necessarily healthy. I don't think she'll be able to reconcile all of that until she's at least 25 and her brain is done developing if ever.
@melissatiger
@melissatiger 11 ай бұрын
Jojo is very friendly with family channels with very young children. Calling these kids as young as 5 her friends. She also has an all girls pop group. Colleen has appeared in a few videos with the all girl pop group. I'm not saying Jojo has done anything wrong. If anything Jojo doesn't know any better because how she grew up and how young she is. Jojo's mother also had a podcast with Colleen for years.
@olive_99
@olive_99 11 ай бұрын
her mother had a podcast with colleen????
@LoopyOrchestra
@LoopyOrchestra 10 ай бұрын
I really hate when popular figures are exposed for doing awful things. Abuse, grooming, etc. So many people go "Well this cant be true because I spoke to The Abuser for 5 minutes once, and they didn't abuse *me* so the victim is a liar and at fault" Jojo is doing that to others who have proven without a doubt they were abused. And the sad part is, she likely was as well and doesn't realise it.
@sshaughnessy6543
@sshaughnessy6543 11 ай бұрын
the ghost of colleens carreer is haunting your lamp
@pasteldoll7274
@pasteldoll7274 9 ай бұрын
I genuinely believe JoJo is going through something I did when I was an older teen which Is pretty much deny that a person who groomed you is a groomer because that would mean having to admit to yourself you where groomed. which can actually be really hard if you don't have people in your life holding up a mirror in front of you telling you what happened to you is unfair, not okay and disgusting. I don't think what jojo is doing is okay because of this. but i have a lot of sympathy for her, I know exactly the feeling of denial of viewing your groomer in a positive light just to cope and not face the heartbreaking truth of someone you love and care for being a monster that is hurting you and others.
@freckleface.e
@freckleface.e 11 ай бұрын
waiting for the day jojo comes out with her own “i’m glad my mom died”
@chichizekitty5694
@chichizekitty5694 11 ай бұрын
Jojo litterally said "I was friends with these people when I was a child, so its totally false, that they're overly friendly with kids and oversharing".. Jojo is so weird. This is all just.. weird
@mizconti
@mizconti 11 ай бұрын
I always thought it so weird that they were friends and with the entire family. From Colleen’s mouth she was a huge fan of Dance Moms but I think it’s more calculating than that. JoJo was the biggest draw for tweens… the audience that Colleen knew she needed to target since her Miranda shtick gets old after watching the first video.
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