Maybe someone slipped that bad outfit into his rotation as a prank? :)

How does he know his costume is red? If I were his villian, I'd fuck with him a lot. "CURSE YOUR NAVY BLUE HIDE, DAREDEVIL!" or; "You're not as stealthy as you think with all the pink tie-dye."

I guess even villains are not evil enough to mind f the blind guy. :) That or maybe he has everything tagged in brail or something.

Daredevil can feel the heat given off of certain colors, depending on the amount of light they reflect.

Yeah, because that makes total sense. :)

You are.

so both Azrael and Lobo were parodies of their times?

@@GenericProtagonist118 To be fair, even if they chased a trend or two, overall, DC showed a lot of contempt for the 90's-early 2000's ''Dark, gritty and extreme'' wave of comics, just look at Kingdom Come, What´s So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way? and of course, Knightfall.

Yuup

Grim and gritty literally describe batman

Youngblood. SPEAKING of terrible design.

I was thinking the same thing - if that was the wrong lesson to take, what was the right one? There wasn't any other one so far as I can tell.

@@puckerings Probably the auteur attitude beneath the style. Metal Gear Solid games are stupid, for instance, but there's an ernestness that is very endearing. However, a 'quirky' game like Sunset Overdrive doing something similar feels patronizing, I guess. Similar thing with Youngblood. A group of hip new characters that the creator honestly thought were cool feels endearing even if the stories were pretty dreadful. But, Captain America becoming a badass edgelord feels very insincere.

I still love Badrock to this day. Dude is literally a teenager in a giant stone body, doesn't take anything seriously (even when he really should), has a great relationship with his still very much alive parents. He's a fun, if not especially deep, contrast to the grim 'n' gritty Wolverine clones Liefeld liked to churn out by the dozens.

@@puckerings also I feel like most of Image founders had great sense of visuals and designs...sure stories are garbage but they knew how to create appealing looking characters. Jim Lee's books had cool spaceships and stuff, which is also talent, designing something even super minute. I feel like that kind of skill is pretty hard, you can't just hire random guy and say "hey design something like that"

Try Cherry or ===NEW=== Blue Raspberry Pepsi!

Don't forget 10,000 power lemony zest Superman!

I like the Electric Blue Superman suit!

@@doriangreen3231 It was, in fairness, a pretty cool outfit. I just found a lot of the late '90's *NEWER! BIGGER! AND NOW WITH MORE POCKETS!* character re-inventions really unnecessary and over the top. Sidenote, is your name a Squirrel Girl reference? Because if so that's awesome.

Cool mint was always my favorite

Exactly it’s just soo good

They're no less practical than capes.

Scarlet Witch shortened her jacket and kept it for the films.

@@Mecharnie_Dobbs well if you notice the capes are for character who want to be a entity or a symbol of hope. Having a cape makes them seem more like a that symbol as it gives off a royal look. You can see who want to be symbols of hope than the ones who don’t. Wonder woman wants to help not really inspire anyone and Aquaman is already a king so he doesn’t need to look royal. Flash wants to save people not inspire anyone also and green arrow wants to protect people. Only really batman and Superman want to be hope and become a entity

Same. I wish it was treated like an elseworld wonder woman

I liked the armor, not so much looks wise, but story wise and with Dan Abnett had worked the conclusion of those Eidolon living armors into his cosmic run.

so…the 60s Marvel all over again, instead of the 70s and 80s Marvel where writers were king instead

Isn't this how Stan Lee did most of his work? That was his preferred way to write. I think this is also why the VAST majority of comics are truly TERRIBLE stories.

@@zero11010 I think that changed in the 80's, when it was the writers (like Clairmont, Alan Moore and Frank Miller) and not the artists that were the superstars of the comic world. Going into the 90's, you started seeing the artists become the main superstars again (Like Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld) and the focus switched back to style over substance.

@@TheSuperhomosapienYeah, but that's what the market wants. You see that in comics to day. You see that in movies today. The Fast And The Furious movies aren't known for their amazing stories. It's a group of international thieves and spies ... who are totally trained .... because of their history street racing and fixing up cars a little bit. People buy into what looks good and the story barely matters. This is VERY apparent in how comics are made, too. The only reason batman does as well as he does as a hero is because of poor writing and popularity. Right? Spiderman is a street level nobody. But, when earth needs to put together the most powerful beings ... somehow spiderman gets brought along? He's not the smartest, the fastest, the strongest .. he's just not that special ... oh but he's popular and sells comics ... so when the Infinity Gauntlet story happens ... include him as someone to confront a cosmic level threat.

Its the so called Marvel Method, it had issues.

guinnes4life I agree with you that I think that Knightfall and Batman Beyond comic stories were the best written Batman comic stories.

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Knight Fall is shit. They lead up to Batman breaking it's spine is so weak it's hilarious my biggest problem with the story.

Samuel Raji wow you have the wrong opinion

@@wyattjenkinson450 Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion-even if it's the wrong opinion and a poorly worded and near unintelligible one with bad grammar. I personally loved the Knightfall story line but the important thing to remember is that while Image Comics had just exploded onto the scene not too long before, it was still very much a bleak and uncertain time in the comic book industry. DC had just killed off Superman the year before and people can tend to forget that the reason why DC killed Superman off in the first place was because of lagging sales and that the Death Of Superman story-line was a gimmick and publicity stunt to drum up sales, as everyone, even my 10 year old self, knew that there was no way that DC would permanently kill off it's flagship character and arguably, the most popular Super Hero in the world. There were all sorts of awful trends like splash pages, variant/ foil/ hologram covers and one bad story line and unnecessary change of some kind to characters after the next from Marvel and DC. There were so many other things going wrong in the landscape of the comic industry at that time, the fact that there were so many horrible new Super Hero costumes introduced throughout that decade just seems like it was part and parcel of everything else that was going wrong at the time. I very clearly and vividly remember at one point reading the wretched Clone Saga from the Spider-Man books in the mid 1990s as well as the Onslaught and subsequent Heroes Reborn story line and some of the other stuff coming out from Marvel and DC in the 1990s and honestly believing that I was witnessing the end of Marvel Comics(seeing as Marvel went bankrupt in the 1990s, I'm sure they thought that the end was upon them as well). I said that I liked Knightfall but the reality is that it was every bit as much a gimmick and publicity stunt as The Death Of Superman was. It wasn't all bad in comics at the time in the 1990s but it's for good reason that the 1990s is widely considered to be the worst period in the long history of comics.

J R and yet todays comics make the 90’s look like a veritable golden age.

It's funny they deleted her head thing when so many characters were getting kickboxing guards in the 90s.

AzBat was intended to be a take-that from DC to the fanboiz screaming for a darker, edgier Batman. But DC was hedging their bets; if AzBat had taken off, they would have gone with it. The sad thing is that in other comic channels where the average age is considerably younger than here, AzBat is super-popular. They're celebrating his return to the comics completely without irony. Which explains why this is just about the only comic channel I follow any more.

Good point and that suit wasn't that bad at all. When I was a kid I loved it. Whys it on the list?

You loved it _because_ you were a kid. It's what an 11 year old thinks is "s00per k00l d00d!!!11". Which was the point.

Azbat's costume was actually cool, depending on the artist who drew it. Mike Manley did it great.

Azrael's costume could look awesome at times. The armor looked bulky and impractical. during Knightfall. The Azrael suit looked much better as Jean Paul Valley trimmed down the costume after Knightfall.

Talon Stephensen I don't know, excessive pouches beats dull 'realistic' costumes or what barely qualifies for one that's common these days. Least a lot of the bad 90's costumes were interesting to look at visually.

That's probably how it came about, but it doesn't make sense for every character that don't carry lots of stuff around

Batmans utility belt comes to mind, after that they tended to get stupid.

That's thanks to Art Adams and Longshot. He's kind of patient zero for many aspects of the 90s style; Liefeld in particular was very inspired by his work.

Righhhttttt. I loved all that shit

And doesn't Power Girl have a boob window on her costume where the S would be on Superman's and Supergirl's. In one comic she even makes an innuendo by saying "Fill my hole Superman."

Xehanort10 yeah, she’s had that since her creation various reasons have been given for it, but the two most popular for her are that she’s proud of her body and wants to show off, or that she just doesn’t know what to put on it, because even though Superman’s her family, she doesn’t want to be in his shadow.

I feel that's what they were going for

Kebim TheAccess Or Rogue. All of those were Jim Lee designs before he left for Image. Take a look at that "The Crossing" cover and then at something like WildCATs or Stormwatch #1s because that's what they were going for.

Expect Thor that looks he is cosplaying jojos

dude.... dude.... dude.

Ikr

Hydra Cap made sense and wasn't terrible.

sitevil rogers is actually pretty cool.

@@milliondollarmistake I actually really enjoyed that story

History doesn't repeat itself, it often rhymes.

I would'n count skarlet spider as a redesign since he is a different character than spiderman

@Char Aznable you misspelled dick grayson

@@fransandersson4717 Dick is a better character. Tim is the best Robin.

Spider man 2099! Easily my favourite costume ever.

@@kevintanza6968 well tim is actually the weirdo one. I prefer Damian Wayne.

"Knightfall" was just another one of DC's cash grabs - like "Crisis for Infinite Cash," uh, "On Inifinite Earths," "the Death of Superman," "Hush," and "New 52." They set up some continuity-shaking event, have it run in a dozen titles for a year (making you go broke trying to keep up with the story) and finally end it with everything back to where it was before the 'big event.' What? Why, yes, I don't like DC's editorial approach. How could you tell?

Jim O'Donnelly, how the hell do you manage reading comics in general then? 90% of comic book companies have the same approach my guy.

@@jimodonnelly7762 none of those events/sagas that you mentioned can be called cash-grab, don't use a word when you don't get it's meaning. All of those had a reason, mostly of the events of DC is to fix/re-arrange the universe/timeline.

I don't get how it is, they don't shape shift right?

Yeah that shirt IS remarkably strange...my attention was wandering and I wondered WHERE the HELL I would wear a shirt like that---bowling? Goose-stepping down the street in Camden, New Jersey? As a psycho DENTIST?

I'm just sitting over here wondering where I can get a shirt like that. Looks very comfortable.

It makes me think of a flight attendant, a golfing field and a traffic police officer.

@@mslightbulb It makes me think of a little girl in a pink dress, sticking a hot dog, through a donut.

Sam Brown have you ever been to Camden? You would get beat up and not even mugged for wearing that shit in Camden. I live in Jersey and that town is ROUGH!

Image comics was nothing but big fights page after page.

I enjoyed stormwatch,spawn and a few others but preferred the wildstorm universe with stormwatch ,Wildcats,gen13 and my favourite the Authority,also loved the admittedly strange wildstorm/DC crossover and the earlier JLA,Wildcats one,also one of the relatively few who enjoyed worlds end

@@andreworr4307 WildStorm was the best Image universe. It's a shame Jim Lee sold it to DC.

Savage Dragon #11-58 is my favorite comics run of all time.

it also reminds me of Netflix Daredevil

I think it looks like a Captain America suit.

Or with better colors.

It was awfu just like netflix season one daredevil

Yeah ive always thought wonderwomans look was stupid, but tbh idk what you could do about it, its pretty iconic/stuck to the characters visual identity

The scales have really been deemphasized sadly. And eventually deleted. A lot of work to draw.

And i still didnt liked it . I liked the design in war of the realms now he's just super saiyan thor although story seems good

the hair..why not just hand a villain your15 foot long pony tail, and say "Here! use this to kill me!"

The only thing I liked about it was the chain on Mjolnir. Normally I'm a fan of big pauldrons too (Samus, Space Marines, etc) but here it's just weird.

I believe it was kind of an homage to one period when Superman had a lot of WEIRD extra powers early silver age no one remembers outside Grant Morrison.

That's what I was going to say.

He ignores a lot of context just to bash things. Yes there were horrible decisions with a lot of these costumes. However he just blames one thing ignores the stories and context on things.

No, the art style was just shit. And Cable has a son? That's news on me.

He even made appearance in the X-men the animated series. He isn't that unknown of a character.

Yes. And he gradually de-mutated to a point where he looked normal for a long time with the bone claws, before getting his adamantium back.

I was thinking that too. The one-side armor thing was common in specific classes of Roman gladiators. Different classes wore different types of armor according to their weapon of choice. Long-reach fighters hardly wore any armor at all so the fights would be balanced out. Even looking at medieval armor you can see how it was composed of different parts to suit different combat situations. Just comparing jousting armor to infantry armor is enough to make it clear it didn't all look symetric.

It was more common with Japanese fighters as they tended to use very light and scarce armor anyway.

No. There are some examples of gladiators wearing odd armour variants, but in medieval europe wearing armour on only one arm is a hollywood invention.

@@kristianfagerstrom7011 There is HEAVIER armor on one side but that's usually like an extra jousting shoulder.

in that Tony’s defense, it was a younger version of him

Those costumes were ALL bad ass...I would really love to know what the pinnacle of costume changes actually were to anyone who thought those designs were shit.

I liked Azreal's older blue and grey suit, but later versions were awful.

Jeremy Cline Not to mention women must have been constantly falling over due to being top heavy.

If they saw the 90s comics they would think we are awesome and sweet.

Mark J Well, too each his own. There was so some good stuff in the 90s and some... not so good.

+True Fan Forum It was definately better than now.

+Mark J ...it sounds like I was being harsh but I was just making fun of the cliched early nineties stuff. As time goes by I'm discovering more and more good stuff like Peter David's lengthy runs on several titles. Wish I had known about stuff like that back in the day but the Liefeld era turned me off so much I was out of comics for a while.

And hella weird.

It was the attitude era

the dork age. that is sadly a hilariously fitting play on words.

NoJusticeNoPeace Artists have always had a say in the comics. After all, they are the ones creating the visuals. Look at how much impact Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, orFrank Millar had. Their artwork helped to define comics and various characters. But you are right about the rock star part. I think some artists wanted a new level of attention and notoriety they didn't have before. Now while that's not necessarily a bad thing, it led to a sort of "look at me, look at me, aren't I great" that overshadowed their work and led to some bad decisions. Artists should get attention for their work, but some took it too far.

The best selling comic in the world for the past decade is writer by the artist

Davi Lopes X-MEN #1 by Jim Lee.

Davi Lopes Ah. Well, it probably the fact that Jim took over the books as writer when Chris left after whatever bs had happened that made me think that.

Good idea. Challenge accepted!

Good opinions

16 year old me wonders why Power Girl still has hers and is sad that it has become a signature of the character. I guess when your boobs are bulletproof it doesn’t matter.

Carlos D Rodriguez This was actually explained some years ago with the story "Power Struggle" where Power Girl talks about how she doesn't have an insignia on her chest like Superman or Supergirl do because she still needs to figure out more about herself and find something that fits her beyond the "s". Problem with that is nobody ever bothered trying to figure out something interesting to replace the boob window... until some genius(es) decided to put the super "s" there instead -- because so much for PG's sincere explanation of why that *wouldn't* work for her.

Nothing about superheroes has any resemblance to reality. They are about psychology at best.

+Carlos D Rodriguez She always had it, and boob windows are sweet. Who doesn't love the idea of stripper Super-Girl. If she still has it, it means DC hasn't been fully taken over by puritanical culture warriors. The super stripper thing goes back to the begining with The Phantom Lady or earlier, and it really took off in the 70s when even some of the male heroes looked like strippers. Comics were an awesome trash entertainment media for men. I wish it still was. Anyway, a man jumping around in skintight red and blue tights in the 30s is definately a sexual statement.

Mark J ultimate universe

The Guy Gardner Arc was very fun, if slightly nonsensical. If you can find it in the back issue bins, it is worth a read.

Dear god The Crossing was bad. And Insay this as someone who thought Force Works had SOME pote tial even if mishandled. Mainly since I really like USAgent.

Right, chasing the trend isn't the end of the argument I was presenting. Instead, it was chasing a trend without a passionate writer or talented artist to pull it off. And even some of what I listed was successful. Batman, Wolverine, Aquaman. Those all did well.

I actually liked wolverines feral look initially. It got ridiculous once they started making him look like a mutated offspring of a troll that skull fucked arse face from preacher.

+kyriss12 The Ben Reilly Spider-Man and costume was kind of cool, especially the costume.

The "trend" they are currently chasing might actually be their downfall: Trying to cater to left populists who complain a lot about comics, _but don't actually read any,_ while increasingly alienating, if not insulting their real customer base.

+RokuroCarisu I think Disney wants to alienate the fans and put comic ships out of business. They are already licensing characters out to IDW.

The image of the 90s was not the image of today that's for sure.

Alan YaKnow it was still a great era for it though

Alan YaKnow I’ll take the Image titles of today Saga, Wytches, Black Science, Monstress and some others. I was never into the Spawn & Youngblood titles of the 90’s although I’ve always been sympathetic to creator’s rights.

chau5, my favorite comics made by Image has always been Spawn and The Walking Dead comic series.

Light Yagami The Maxx from the 1990’s was my favorite Image title at that time, These days my favorite Image books are probably Saga, Papergirls, Wytches & Monstress.

I started writing and realized this is a 4 year old comment, but what's a trip down memory lane? 😅 I just read through Knightfall and kept my momentum going to run from there all the way up to Brubakers batman. That cape is doing everything but looking practical & Batman looks like a straight up Burton character which is ironic that Burton didn't even come close to that look with him. I finally came across an artist give him normal proportions after what seemed like looking at the costume through Bruce's eyes and the fear he was trying to instill in his mind.

I have never had a definite image of Kitty Pride because of that. Even her face features kept changing from artist to artist.

oh god, Hawkmam went through a lot. He's been a reincarnated Egyptian, etc...you're referring to either his alien cop phase or his hi-tech crime fighter phase

Everyone on the Avengers started wearing those jackets. Crystal, Black Knight... I think they were copying Rogue. Which was designed by Jim Lee, who soon co-founded Image. It was just chasing that one design element without considering if it made sense for the character.

+ComicTropes I never made the Rogue connection. Good point. Now that was an awesome Rogue. I took it for granted at the time. Black Canary might be the original biker jacket stripper hero babe.

Don't forget Jim Lee also redesigned Wonder Woman for that overblown but ultimately pointless 600 issue renumbering ark written by J Micheal Strazinsky, and lo and behold he draw her in a jacket. Not another bomber type but a black leather one, he's a good artist but really no creative vision for design.

+theblocksays I like that costume, though she doesn't really look like wonder woman in it.

I think that trend was all over the place, after Jim Lee did it with Cyclops and Rogue, almost every character started wearing jackets over their costume for a time. Hell even the Scarlet Spider had a hoodie over the tights

Frank Bowman No they weren't. The ones you know of were bad. But there were a lot of very good comics from the 90's. Read more comics, then open your mouth.

Mighty Baloo name some good ones for those of us that didn't see any good ones in the 90's....if they really were good, we can look them up in trade paperback format now...

I loved the Onslaught event. Marvel needs to create more uber villains.

I LOVED the 90's comics!

Whether you want to agree or not, on whats good and whats bad. Here's a list of books from the 90s that seem to be very important.. New Mutants #98 2/91 Uncanny X-men #266 8/90 Amazing Spider-man #361 4/92 New Mutants #87 3/90 Infinity Gauntlet #1 7/91 Batman Adventures #12 9/93 Amazing Spider-man #362 5/92 Venom Lethal Protector #1 9/93 Uncanny X-men #282 11/91 I could go on and on. But truthfully I have been in discussions with people on how they hate 90s comics, and that's okay! Peeps have there opinion. But as an ex comic shop helper/employee, those 90s keys don't stay on the shelf. Oh and don't forget that Deadpool was born in the 90s kids! We all know how everybody likes that waste!

My two personal favorite Batman suits would have to be Azrael's Batman's suit or the Batman Beyond suit.

Comics were fun and written for the mainstream in the 90s. Diana's biker outfit was awesome, much better than the Taliban designed thing that they put her in a few years ago that the SJW media pundit politburo loved so much. You're right Diana wouldn't give a shit. She's a pre Christian warrior tribes woman from a tropical island where marriage does not exist. The stripper biker look is actually more in character than her patriotic for America one piece. (I think the great Robin redesign was done by Neal Adams.)

Mark J What "SJW" costume, do you mean the ones with pants?

+Excellsion The 2012 one where she has two layers of clothing on and shoulder pads and wrist knives. It's fucking awful, but the SJWs who colonized my entertainment claimed to love it. The 90s stripper biker look is actually more in character, but I'll be honest, I like to see women in is a few clothes as possible.

Excellsion see, pants and jackets equals the SJW agenda. This guy is a real...well...he's nuts.

@@mightybaloo1880 wonder woman's pants look is really cute and seems slightly more practical

Agreed!

"In the distant past of the Iron Age of Heroes, one's metal was tested and endeavors judged by one simple measure: Pouches!" - Champions Online; description of its Iron Age costume set

Expected from someone who still uses "Metal" as an adjective...

MrBrowser - Wish I had better taste.

Those "old" and "bland" costumes stuck around because they're _good._ They're creative and fitting to the characters' personalities. However, a little change should be encouraged. A *little* change. Batman's costume, for example, changed a lot over the decades, but a little at a time. It was subtle enough that people barely noticed. If in the 1970s, his costume went from the familiar Silver Age blue to what it is today, people would have gotten whiplash. Critics would have mocked the new design for trying too hard. If you're going to change something iconic, you have to do it with moderation or for a very good reason in-story. Otherwise, you're making a huge gamble.