They know - check StarCraft 1 Remastered. They really fucked up with WarCraft 3 Reforged

And only $20.

@@igorthelight the starcraft remaster and the warcraft reforge are wildly different endeavor though, starcraft remaster is literally just a reskin, the new version literally still runs playbacks of games from the original, it has 1 to 1 compatibility in every sense of the word, its the same game. warcraft 3 tried to be much more than just a modern reskin which is why it failed.

Lol

Wait a sec are you praising EA?

i wonder where the devs are now

@@leoSaunders didn't some original developer return for the remaster?

@@Kyle07 Yep; many of the Westwood guys have founded/went to work for Petroglyph games; and petroglyph games have worked on this remaster. Also, the original composer Frank Klapaki did all the redone music for the remaster.

Westwood lives in death

Petroglyph Games are the spiritual successor to Westwood Studios, it was founded by ex-Westwood Studios employees who went on to work on Star Wars: Empire at War including many other RTS titles and now Command & Conquer Remastered Collection. Frank Klepacki the composer who did all those C&C soundtracks is currently the audio director at Petroglyph, and worked on this remaster as well.

Was it a censored version of the game, though? I'm noticing you capitalise all your nouns :p

lan parties were awesome. Now everyone is stuck in their rooms and the social aspect has taken a massive dive.

Lan parties..... Sheds a tear

I used to always got to my friends and we would set up 2 ps1s and tvs and play all day and night

@@sladey21 God I remember those days... everyone plays online now with consoles and stuff and yes the practicality of it all is at people's fingertips but that what you just wrote was all of our eras when you couldn't wait for a weekend cos you knew it was going to be a weekend of all nighters!

Hell yea and shows a new generation that the classics really WERE/ARE that good and they will never die.

Yes, they basically look like we remember them.

For me, the modernized controls are much more important. I don't mind pixelated graphics, but I can't stand outdated control schemes.

@@waisinet This is the funny part. Looking at the footage I swear I remember it looking in many parts like the remaster does, such as the construction yard. Then again we played these games with CRT monitors which have naturally softer picture so the low res pixelated jaggedness didn't show as much.

@@Jaakko_Ruotsalainen , CRT monitors were also pretty small back in 1995 when I first played this game. I had a 15" (closer to 14" viewable). A lot of visual problems get reduced if the image is smaller.

Agreed. Rts gaming has been dead for awhile. It would be awesome to see a new cnc that's actually as good as the old ones updated work strat zoom like supreme commander

Tiberian Sun was my teenage years

I hope EA just gives Petroglyph a permanent license to do CnC stuff

@sal zerilli There is none, or at least I'm not aware of it.

@sal zerilli Looks like it's there in the options menu, 9:24

honestly rts was the best genre before all these crap mmorpg and mobas, now battle royale shitshow

@@DarkP1 *oh no popular game genres i dont like*

You mean fans didn't like the DOTA rip-off C&C 4? such nonsense, the franchise is dead. But let's dig up the body and shit on it with C&C mobile.

@@DarkP1 all these mass pvp and battle royal games are utter sheep garbage, tired of them.

My theory: I think EA only cares about how much money they can squeeze out of it. And if they determine that they can squeeze an average of 100 bucks out of a free to play game for cosmetics. Or even worse more money on average per player for pay to win, you will get that.

EA had nothing to do with developing this game.. they are a Publisher not a Developer.. Fuck people are ignorant.

@@PunxTV123 They still own the rights though and they are the ones deciding if they wanted this to happen and release it. If they said "no, we are not doing this" then this would not have happened.

@@PunxTV123 This is the same like saying Disney has nothing to do with the Star Wars sequels. And we know how that went. EA as a publisher has a pretty far reaching hand on their subsidiaries demanding impossible deadlines moronic engine conversion and etc... Also knowing that this is nothing but a PR move to boost their reputation. Lure customers and developers to a false sense of security so when they feel safe they can get back to money grabbing and repeat the cycle. Strategy: Buy this pack - - >The'll move on to RA2 and TibSun remaster - - > DO NOT PRE-ORDER, do not show them any sign of trust, don't let them believe they already have the bucks and can push developers to impossible deadlines and poor quality. The remnants of Westwood showed they still care and still deliver if left to work properly. Then if we watched firmly we prob get another great remaster. And maybe we can hold them accountable long enough for quality new products too. Not holding my breath tho

activision blizzard has been dead for quite a while, why are ppl still surprised?

@@PunxTV123 it's like saying WB has nothing to do with the disaster of DCEU since it was produced by Legendary Pictures and Syncopy, and WB "only" distributed it. No, no, WB as the distributor and owner of the IPs has many things to do.

It's something Alex didn't mention, but that installer is still here, in a way, just be amazed at your first startup of the game.

@@3dmaster205 Love that they've kept that, the original dos install was all part of the experience. :)

I also remember going with my dad to buy this. 1990s was a great time to be a kid with a computer

i remember getting it from beatties toy shop.

Yes and arriving home for the game to spit a error that the computer needed more 2mb of ram 😂

Which one

RA2

I've always sucked at Tiberian Dawn, but I loved watching my dad play, lol.

Ya, these games were my childhood and what got me into PC gaming.

@@Aaron-og1pg epico

I got it for $6.99 on Origin!

@Aryan Toon I used to get the custodian to let me stay after school after he was done cleaning the ESL room. I stayed till 10pm! Got grounded a few times, but it was worth it. Childhood memories.

I can't believe how much I still suck at it, lol.

@@CaveyMoth As a kid, some of the missions were a bit too difficult, until I found out you could edit all the unit parameters in the .ini files. The unit health, weapon type, weapon damage, it was all in plain text. The Red Alert Allied missions became a lot easier when the rocket soldier fired nuclear missiles. I wonder if that trick still works in the remastered version.

[ranty rant rant] No, no, no, you've got that completely backwards - what you REALLY mean is "I can't believe how much fun games USED TO BE!" - how much BETTER games used to be That's the entire reason why these remasters are literally top selling games today - they offer substance and quality of gameplay experience that is almost nonexistent today. Modern games are just bland ass vanilla bean mediocrity... "...but, just look at how incredible the graphics are!!!" Meanwhile, I struggle to get much more than halfway through modern games(depending on the game; single player campaigns are often less than only 10hrs long these days, which is just mind numbing compared to 15-20 years ago) - yet, I've been playing the Halo remasters and now the C&C remasters much more than the "newer, prettier, better, superior" modern games. If you can't tell, I've become rather cynical towards the game industry, and towards publisher-developers in specific(it takes one of them to fuck up a game - it takes both of them to fuck up the industry). Growing up playing these classics in the '90s, the '00s, even going into the '10s we were still seeing qualit, GAMEPLAY FOCUSED games coming out that were absolutely superb. The Bioshock series & Alan Wake are two of my all time favorites, no question about it. But, generally speaking, we've seen the industry as a whole fall off a cliff in regards to pure and utter user focused gameplay experience, with graphics and occasionally audio quality being the only actually modern/new elements of new games. I could rant for a while on this so I'll just leave it there - but here's to hoping that the absolutely ridiculous success that these remasters are seeing will wake the industry up. Even considering the improved visuals, no one is buying/playing these because "OMG THEY LOOK SO INCREDIBLE!!!" I mean they certainly look great, but these are remasters, not complete remakes, and as such they're still largely based on the foundation of the original, they're still largely visually dated. No, people are playing these games because - like was said - people can't believe how incredible the GAMEPLAY is. It's the GAMEPLAY selling these games(and the fact that they actually work on modern hardware now), plain and simple. I don't even buy the 'nostalgia' argument; if the gameplay didn't hold up, then nostalgia isn't going to keep me playing for more than maybe an hour. No, this is simply what QUALITY GAMEPLAY looks like.

@@RyTrapp0 sorry..but no..its really not 'all that'..i remember it being 'amazing' ..turns out nostalgia is sugar coated in your head..graphics are sharper sure..game is dull and boring, pathfinding is still shit.

tornapart75 man CnC pathing compared to other games after and before it is incredebly good

Yea they even got the old team back to remaster it

"some respect at last"? ... they are milking a franchise and get a lot of money for games that cost very little to develop for. ... I also would play a Red Alert 2 remastered. But it is what it is: easy money for no creativity, no new ideas. ... It's a shame that there are no new good RTS out there on a Starcraft 2 level. I would love to play a new RTS game with a great story and innovative gameplay mechanics.

@@tomsmolinski9833 If you want to split hairs just to be able to shit talk EA, then, 'sure', they're "milking" it - by delivering a product that is EXACTLY what fans/customers want. We can debate the merits of remasters vs brand new content, but the market has responded extremely favorably to almost all of these remasters(and, frankly, it likely has to do with the utterly bland vanilla quality of today's games in every regard but visuals, with many of these older games, C&C, Halo, offering a much more enriched gameplay experience). Not only are they budget friendly to produce(IF they sell), but that's still reflected in the consumer price. Unless $20 is 'outrageous' to you for two complete titles+expansions that have been remastered. Weak criticism

@@tomsmolinski9833 , I wanted the SAME game with updated graphics and I got exactly that at a very reasonable price. And while I DO also want a new game, maybe infusing them with some cash is what's needed to get that new game? I'm also confused... you complain they are "milking a franchise" by releasing this, but say you also want Red Alert 2 remastered?

Never played it, but this is the perfect chance to finally play it. Sounds like credit is being done.

Worthy? Dude, this game is just pure nostalgia pandering. None of the gameplay problems is even touched, the same old irritating bugs with harvesters, and they didn't even touch the shitty pathfinding. Unlike AOE2DE which made a solid attempt to deliver a better experience to the player, CNC Remastered is as cheap as one of those Sony remasters.

@@korke_ someone's triggered

@@nasseralharbi5528 yeah someone is very triggered

@@korke_ How mad are you from a scale of 1 to "jorgekorke"?

@@korke_ Dude, you're just fuckin' wrong mate. Nostalgia pandering? Maybe. The core of the game is fundamentally untouched. The updates that C&CR does make are all visual or UI improvements. The way the game functions at its core is unaltered. This was a *deliberate* decision, and one that was made after some pretty serious discussions with C&C fans: people over at OpenRA, as well as C&CNet (sidenote: if you *do* want to see a C&C remaster that *plays* modern, check out OpenRA). However, mod support means that fans are able to make those decisions. Rebalance, improve the AI, alter the way the game plays. That's all possible. And remastering the audio from the original samples, upscaling the video, redrawing all of the art assets, working with fans to manage expectations and ensure they were doing right by the people who stuck with C&C, tracking down as many originals assets as possible, pulling in a third-party studio (founded and run by C&C developers who left EA) to get the talent to make sure the job was done right, and updating 25-year-old code to run on modern operating systems, refactoring it to make mod support possible, and going through the legal nightmare of GPLing a substantial percentage of the sources to a videogame (not to mention all of the internal fighting and politics at EA I can't help but imagine had to happen to make that a reality)... all of that is far from low-effort. They just didn't allocate their efforts they way you wanted them to.

wonder why he didn't just run those infantry over with it

@@InnuendoXP gotta send in the decoy apc first

That's why you send 5 of them from different flanks when possible lel

At least it isn't the instant unload NOD Subterranean APC. That thing made me rage quit a few times when I first played TibSun skirmish...

X-Key is your friend. use it often and wisely when commanding C&C infantry. Yes, C&C had a button for social distancing back in 1995.

It looks as good I had imagined it did in my head when I played them years ago..

Time to put those hours back again

nobody cares get a life

@@bobsagget823 Exactly, so get out and do something actually worthwhile instead of hating.

Shadowsword Mars Pattern oof nice reply!(Really)

Is it over Yuri? No Comrade Premier, it has only begun.

@@donniebentley6813 xddddd

@@donniebentley6813 it is over after a game which we believe never existed called 'command and conquer 4: Tiberium Twilight

TS/RA2 run on win 10 in widescreen with community patches unlike old C&C and Red Alert, which are on some configuration problematic. If they want to do a remaster, then remaster C&C4 into something that is not an utter failure by having hard look at reworking game mechanics and silly unit design. Personally, I do not see it coming unless they give the team the necessary time to experiment until producing something viable and innovative as happened with Warcraft 3 with prolonged development due to experimentation yet created DOTA in the process. Usual, hurry, release it now and you can patch it later in the datadisc if people care enough will not really work with anything other than audio/visual UI facelift as happened with 2020 C&C remaster, and while Generals would be also viable to redone, there is already Generals Evolution mod for RA3 in development, so it likely would not happen due to free competition. Generals was not played for his superb campaign anyway because there was not a great campaign to begin with, so RA3 mod adding skirmish and MP is all Generals needs once they manage integrating dozers into RA game with construction yards and add key shortcuts for fast construction, until then, not so much. C&C fans should not press EA into developing something that has poor chances for good sales because that will kill any chances for a high-budget C&C project in the near future...

​@@donniebentley6813My LIFE for Yuri!

Like I said above, it is the number 1 best selling game on Steam at the moment.

I spent so many hours playing skirmishes as a kid, love Yuri's Revenge

@Pavel Tikhonov Sadly, the issue with Dune games is that copyright holders of Dune, the Herbert estate, don't want to grant the rights to remaster them; and no game company right now has the license to make new ones. As the estate holder said about remastering the Dune games when people asked: "Everything old should stay old."

@@3dmaster205 Based.

they'll definitely remaster that :) it's an expansion

Get me a hard copy right there.

The Nod ending is still one of my all time favourites from any game 👍

Why would you want that? The original DOS game never had those anyway; it was a lazy upscaling method they used to play 320x200 videos in the 640x400 Windows port.

Ye

right? it's almost as every company tried to fight for the EA award. pathetic

I'd believe it. I was more off of Blizzard in 2010 than I was EA even though EA shot itself in the foot with tiberium twilight.

No Idea why you're saying it's EA when Petroglyph Games did the work. EA was just publishing.

EA seems to be in some sort of redemption era right now.

Warcraft 3 as a game is fundamentally flawed. The lipstick on a pig or polish on a turd analogies are very true here. Starcraft Remastered is a way better effort done. Though the Age of Empires 2 Remaster is an even better job still. These two games are not fundamentally flawed either. They were good back in the day and are still good now.

"I'm a mechanical, I'm a mechanical, I'm a mechanical man" ...

I agree, i mean ra1 will always be iconic and i will always be playing it, but TS/Firestorm and Ra2/Yuri are top of the top, by far the best RTS games ever made imo. We need a TS/Firestorm remaster next and hopefully its out within the next couple of years

Red alert retaliation 100%

LAN option is back in this!!

Yes let's go and revive this franchise

Don't forget Dune 2000! Should be a bit easier since it's the same base engine and less tweaking than RA2 would need

@@chomp7927 maybe when the new movie comes

@@onelead Amen to that

Yes god please those two are the best.

Agreed. The game is fantastic, the 90's in 4k!

@@GodhandPlusOne Relax dude. No one said they weren't giving credit to the devs.

Havent bought an EA release since 2011's Battlefield 3. The devs are to be commended here. Incredible Blizzard fucked up WC3 reforged.

@@GodhandPlusOne Because more than likely they have the power to pull the plug for projects as "niche" as this? It's a miracle this project even happened, considering the last "game" we get in the series in a decade is a stinking, terrible mobile game.

@@GodhandPlusOne Because as the publisher they can, and almost always do, get their hands on in the project because at the end of the day they are the one who bares the financial burden. And we've seen just how wrong that can go. The devs deserve the credit for the majority of the work but you can't ignore the people risking the money, especially since this is the first time in a long time they were smart enough to put the right people in charge and let them do what needs to be done. That's probably the most important part of this whole effort, is that EA let the team do what needed to be done and a kick ass product was the end result. Hopefully they will see this as a sign and branch out to Dune 2000 and Tib Sun, maybe even with some tweaks getting to RA2, but I think more than that EA will see that when a team does a project the right way it can be a huge success.

@Mike UK "one of the first" does not mean, "the first"

@Mike UK english will do you so much better once you learn it.

Indeed just spread them out though cause if one explodes they all explode when too close together

They force players to take a more tactical approach than "rushing in tons of units". Too bad Red Alert just completely lost that, and was nothing but tank spam.

"The future is now, old man" -- Fortnight forum, probably.

Fortnite's creative core and design has revolutionized the gaming industry.... Even though they made the game become shit with all their bullshit, the main idea behind it is genius.

Amen to that!

Oke, boomer

I pity those kids that grow up with either that game, Minecraft, League of Legends, Overwatch, or basically any mainstream garbage that we're now in today lol.

How much did you pay for it back in 1995? I was 7 years old

@@Sam-pn2kc It was 400 Finnish Marks (our currency before the Euro) which is now about 95€ if counting inflation. Games were expensive back then. I was 14 years old and had to save for a long time to be able to buy it.

it also includes all expansions... and all the exclusive content from console versions :)

Are they the same quality as the OST on Spotify?

Yeahh, kind of a weird example. At least the music is in stereo, without having to modify the .mix files like you'd have to do in order to get higher quality music into the original games.

@@aaron1182 Yes, but I think Spotify version is limited to a few tracks. In the remaster everything is available in high quality.

I think one of the original expansion packs included extra songs and even new lyrics or extensions to the original soundtrack.

His whole explanation about the music was off. The Tiberian Sons music was purely a bonus, and unrelated to the normal remastered music.

There is a very unstable situation on the ground, that is unfolding very quickly.

Move towards more ideas that will actually help, uhh, bring this thing to an end.

I LOVED the old sound...and the following scream :)

And red alert 2 these two games are a must please god ea do itttt.

Petroglyph Games (Westwood 2.0) make this remaster.

^ this. Along with Lemon Sky who did the remastered visuals

@@channe3049 some Westwood employees are still in EA, though. Most are now in Petroglyph.

Those are the grandfathers 😏

I worked as a designer on Dune II. Joe Bostic was the lead guy on Dune II, C&C, Star Wars and C&C remastered. Everything has come home. As for Herzog Zwei .. we were all huge fans of the game back in the day.

@@FYYTWYFN "Those are the grandfathers" Yeah, that's it. CnC is the genre-defining game, rather than being the first.

Give me a dune 2 remaster and I'll shell out money instantly. My favorite game as a kid.

Dune 2 brilliant game and loved both games on the Amiga. By the way in terms of first RTS games released, were War of Nerves by Magnavox on the Odyssey2 in 1979 and also Sea Battle by Mattel in 1980 on the Intellivision and Utopia in 1981 on same system. These were home consoles. Apple2 system then had in 1982 a game called Cosmic Conquest on a home computer. 😉

@Eru Clusivus that means: i solve problems :)

omg I remember that game I like it so much I installed it in every pc but no body understood it, I think it was way ahead of its time

I came here to say this! It was my first online gaming experience as a teen. I joined a clan, chatted on Roger Wilco, and climbed the leaderboards. Good times.

One of my favorite games. Used to play it on gamespy arcade all the time. Rip

Buying this if for no other reason than they might remaster RA2 like this

The pinnacle was Warcraft 3, but yeah RA 2 was great.

@PirateCat91 Based.

A RA2 remake won't sell well, and it wouldn't be worth the cost. EA knows this very well. The game is far too dated for younger players, while it only offers a fraction of the nostalgic value to older gamers the original C&C and Red Alert do. Generals has it even worse in that regard. Tiberian Sun has the highest chance to see a remake as well at some point, but even that's far from certain.

@PirateCat91 I'm not sure why you think that lead to the death of RTS' but Warcraft 3 struck the perfect balance with strong hero units and large armies. No other RTS comes close to what it achieved.

Good old beetle.

Not sure if the interpolation speed even matters that much since they use that table anyway. (ugordan? Is that you? We need that VQA encoding goodness, man!)

@@Nyerguds Not sure if you had something like a 486DX66 back in 1996, but, yes, every table lookup did cost you. If you only did the interpolation in the horizontal direction, the table lookup cost was manageable, doubling the horizontal pixel resolution. If, however, you wanted to interpolate the vertical lines inbetween as well, that was 4x more pixels to look up *and* draw on the screen. I can, with conviction say, that my 486DX66 was not up to that task, either for the lookup of the blit operation afterward. It's been a long time, I don't rember anymore. Back then HW blitting was still not a standard so you relied on raw CPU power to do it. I actually think only the higher-end Pentium machines of that day would have managed 15fps interpolation without screen tearing due to the table lookups and blits. Also, yes, this is ugordan. Why would you want VQA encoding after the remasters release, though? I thought they used a more modern codec nowadays so there was no point in working with the old executables?

​@@ugowar Why would you run the Win95 version on a 486DX66 anyway? Would win95 itself even run properly on that? As for the vqa encoding... come now. You really think remasters are going to stop us from messing with these old games? Though, on a more serious note, my patch upgraded C&C95 to such an extent that existing extensive mod projects like Dawn of Tomorrow are actually really hard to port. I added loads of extra mission making features that would take a lot of work to reimplement in the code, and might not work at all in the remaster because of its closed-source GlyphX side (like mission-configurable extra colour schemes). Not even going into the whole "remaking all modded graphics in high res" detail.

OMG, you didn't even said it but I can hear her laugh in my mind.

The original Tanya is a character engraved in my memory forever. Heheh. "Cha-Ching"! BOOM! So many memories from a time when life was much simpler and the world more stable.

@@pedrofelck awwwww tho! I just heard a German shepherd!

@@eirikmagnuslarssen4242 if only we could send Tanya and a couple of dogs in.... not sure where yet though hahaha

Yea, the only quirk I noticed on win7 is that dragging the border in the map editor to change the map size doesn't update visually until you let go of the mouse button.

Absolutely. I even like the underrated Emperor sequel to Dune 2000.

@@Aaron-og1pg same here

Oh man, that would be amazing!

I wonder if Frank K would remaster the music. ...It's kind of perfect, so I don't think he could improve it at all.

I think you mean a re-remaster. Dune 2000 is already a remaster of Dune 2.

You should check out Renegade X