Giselle's case is so obvious that it shook me 😐

For me it’s really worrying the way Liz lost so much popularity just because she gained weight

Liz is underated and under appreciated

Yuta is seriously a fan attraction, he's so handsome, his stage performances are top notch and his on stage power is amazing. But yet he's still being neglected by not just company but by some fans too. And the majority of the fandom just jokes about him being obsessed with mark and winwin. I really hope when NCT Japan debuts, yuta can join the group and show his full potential.

To be honest I did got into the girl group IVE by Yujin and Wonyoung but after looking at their first ever photos to be out, Liz caught my eyes. After hearing their debut song 'Eleven', I fell in love with Liz beautiful voice. I really feel bad for her. She is so precious.. 😞💗

Giselle deserves better honestly because she must’ve felt really bad when she’s almost always left out in group promotions or activities. SM please do better 😒

The situation with giselle is probably one of the most bizarre cases of idols being practically ignored from group activities/promotions I’ve ever seen and for what? she’s pretty, she’s talented, great personality, good stage presence, I don’t get it, why they even debut her in aespa only to treat her this way, I really don’t get it

Yuta is a surprise. He was a favorite (esp for a foreign idol) of SM for a while. He’s still one of the most popular members on NCT, too. He was featured in Black on Black as kind of third in command behind only Taeyong and Mark (both are leaders). He got his center time in just about every MV too. I wonder if he pissed someone off at the company. He’s my bias of 127, and I didn’t know he was being mistreated like this.

I’ll always love Liz she’s gorgeous and her parts are always amazinggg

it's so funny how fans love Yuta so much but SM just completely ignores him. Yuta and Taeyong were the one two memebers who gained my attention in the group to begin with

I hate when companys do this they don't see how all idols have potential

Giselle is seriously a gorgeous and a talented girl. SM is just sleeping on her talent and it's upsetting. I hope it gets better for her because she deserves the love too💜

Liz is so underrated!! She's so talented and the most talented one in the group. The company doesn't appreciate her talents which includes the vocals. But our girl showcased her vocals in a live when she covered aespa's songs which shocked fans.

Liz was my first bias and still is. It hurts me how they don't like just because she gained a little weight. I love her voice so much.

I just don’t think Chaeyeon needs to be apart of this list. She’s not even the most mistreated member of her group and she has the most lines and a lot of screen time. She wasn’t center a few times but she stood right next to Xiaoting, still clearly seen and focused on. Mashiro, Bahiyyih, and Yeseo are treated way worst. Barely any lines or screen time and never the focus or center. But I do agree with the rest of the people on this list. And Giselle is even sadder because it’s just the four of them, SM goes out of the way to ignore her and Yuta

In Giselle's case, it is so obvious that she's deliberately excluded because how can you miss one member in a FOUR MEMBER GROUP???

Actually Liz caught my eyes first when I’ve first debuted. Her visual was so impressive with blonde hair and her facial expressions are so good (in fact most I’ve members are so good in flirting with the camera). I hope that she will get better exposure (but Starship is such a shitty company, so I can’t expect much from them. Sadly)

Yuta deserves the literal world. It’s so unfair SM hasn’t properly promoted A SINGLE solo activity Yuta has had

Liz used to be attention too But since she get some weight K netizens are being harsh to her because of her weight not thinking she is teenage it can Affect her mental health

These days company prefer visuals more than vocals As result great talent stay hidden And for SM if you gonna mistreat foreign idols Than why take them in first place

Justice for Liz and Giselle 🥺 for Chaehyun cases, she is not the only one get mistreatment but Hiyyih, Mashiro and Yeseo too.

Liz we love you and we always do

Liz' beauty is captivating, Ive is undeniably a group of visuals but hers is really something that I don't mind staring at whole day long... Her dimples cute 🥺 as well having a captivating vocals.

WakeOne is NOT making Chaehyun disappear or invisible. She's technically the official center but a lot of people were confused that she won 1st place anyway. Xiaoting has always been the actual center and it suits her more too. But WakeOne is definitely not, in any kind of way making Chaehyun disappear. She still gets a lot of parts and screentime too. The fact that netizens are complaining about the hair is hilarious too. Ever thought about the possibility of a company letting Idols decide what happens with their hair? Ever wondered that she maybe doesn't wanna kill her hair with tons of chemicals? Let's rather talk about Bahiyyih or Yeseo and Mashiro who don't get the treatment they deserve. Bahiyyih is extremely popular, every kpop-fan knows about her and yet she barely gets screen time or lines. That's actual mistreatment.

I’m not sure if Chaehyun’s the actual center, but if she is it makes sense why she doesn’t change her hair much. I’ve heard companies try to not change their centers appearance too much so that they’re more recognizable throughout the eras to non-fans

They never stated in GP999 that 1st place will guarantee center position. Yes, Chaehyun deserves better but her issue in particular is she should be getting more lines as main vocal, Xiaoting fits the center better, she's more marketable.

Liz case is definitely because of her weight gain. Giselle case is because of her many scandals and also if the rumors are true, Giselle was only added to the group because her aunt is dating LSM. Yuta case is weird to me because at one point, I would say that Yuta was properly promoted in NCT and then it looks like SM just lost interest in him. SM is so weird. I think Wake One is promoting Xiaoting as the center because Xiaoting is very popular right now and she has been since their debut

5 things 1. Chaehyun is the main vocalist, but even Dayeon gets more lines 2. Liz is the best vocalist in IVE, and one of the prettiest imo but starship ent treats her like nothing. 3. I find it weird how people bash Liz for gaining weight but also bash wonyoung for losing some. And also starship is the one who bashes Liz the most... weird, huh, 4. Giselle is one of the best female rappers in SM but she hardly gets the chance to showcase her skills 5. The way you say Liz sounds KINDA like Leeseo, which is a bit confusing, and if ur speaking English you don't have to say it in the Korean way.

Yuta deserves more, there are so many cases that SM mistreated idols but this has gone too much it's like day by day an SM artist is getting mistreated. I'm sick and tired of that but I'll do my best to be by their side 🥺

I'm keeping up with ive only because liz was there. She's the one captivate me with her vocal.. that's so sad her company did her dirty :"(

I really love both Liz and Giselle so much

Liz is really pretty and has really beautiful eyes and smile. starship needs to do better by her, because she doesn’t need to lose weight at all, and her version of after like’s chorus was the best.

This is just my opinion as a Chaehyun bias, since she is already the main vocal, and isn't in the dance line, so Xiaoting who is more of a visual/dancer being in the center a lot makes sense

If Chaehyun fans are complaining what should Bahiyyih stans do??

The weight correlation was clearly seen in Twice's Jihyo. But it mainly came from Netizen's relentless attacks, that made her insecure and left her in severe depression.

But the fact that Giselle was edited out of the picture in Japan, her home country...

liz is the only one i like in the group anyways. she should get more lines and more fans as she should.

I don’t trust companies, because some day they will do something terrible to their employees or artists

Xiaoting deserved to be center since day 1 she’s top1 just like sakura on pd48

*Chaehyun's actually had 4 hair color changes since winning (with black hair) -- pink, blonde, light brown, brunette Youngeun, Yujin and Mashiro have stayed within black-brown the whole time, Bahiyyih has been blonde and recently some pink (which for her is just a washout so it's still blonde)

It is because liz got weight, in debut and love dive she was 3 in popularity and she still is but since she got weight

No matter what happened Liz will always be my fav

1. I mean People do realise gp999 is a global show and Xiaoting was actually one if the most popular candidates and was first for most of the episodes. This shows how many people recognize her talents. I mean we can't say at the end of the day who actually deserved first place as People chase behind the most popular and get trapped by mnet's evil editing and again the final voting system gave 50% priority to korean voters which isn't fair as there were 33 contestants from 3 different nations participating. Even china and japan votes should have been given the same priority. This voting system is what made Chae Hyun got first place. Otherwise bahiyyih would have gotten first place. WIth a voting system like this how would you know who is the person who actually deserves to be a center. And Xiaoting should have been in the Top3 position considering how talented she is. She barely making it into the line up shows how f*cked up the voting system is .And Again center position for each song should be given based on who fits the concept more. Like ITZY's ending center keeps changing. And everyone in Kep1er can actually pull it off. 2. I mean Liz should have been given more lines in chorus. And her treatment by her agency is horrible. I mean without her IVE's vocal line will be weak. They better treat her well 3. I mean like Why Giselle. And why SM makes it so obvious 4. I mean why SM does this to their own artists. In this era this is so unacceptable

For Me Liz is the visual and main vocalist for IVE Without Liz, IVE would be like a dish that made with high quality meats and vegetables but no ingredients Also Liz is my ideal type looks

Do these companies not realize that when you neglect your idols they find it hard to gain confidence and motivation which makes it twice as hard to shine within the group. It's wrong to treat another human being that way but it's also bad for business. When your employees are not happy it means their motivation to excel in their career and the opportunity grow your company dwindles.

I started stanning NCT127 because of yuta 💚 i don't get why SM do this to their idols I get pissed off

The way these idols are treated just shows that their company see them as nothing more than a product to use, abuse and make them money or they would have corrected the way they treat them. If fans want them to be treated better then stop giving them your money, because that is the only way they will get the message because money is the only language they understand.

I love you Liz even if no one love you your most talented girl in Ive ❤️

why people surprise of ive? Its basically woonyoung (and sometimes yujin) and friends. I dont even remember the rest of the members name, even their face its hard to distinguish. It’s because the company favor the ex izone much than the others

It would make sense Liz is unfavored for her weight gain considering won young is severely underweight. Starship is clearly torturing their girls

Liz featured in Singles magazine for December 2022 issued. Please have a check. And also Liz is camera shy, that's why she is not the ending fairy yet.

bruh even if i got tuned into ive because of yujin & wonyoung (wizone here hehe) when starshit dropped liz’s photos i adored her immediately and her voice is just so beautiful ! it’s so dumb that starshit isn’t giving her the recognition that she should have all cuz of her looks even if she looked completely healthy !

the whole "center' debate is stupid in my opinion. it's much better when everyone in the group has opportunity to shine. also in case with Chaehyun, while she had a beautiful voice, she lacks charisma and stage presence in comparison with other Kep1er girls. they're all very yough but there is no doubt that there other girls who get fan's attention, and since Kep1er's time is short, they need to do everything to get the group's name out there as soon as possible

the first was a bit of a reach. No matter who crowns you as the "Center", if the audience doesn't feel your presence on stage then you will be forgotten easily. Simple as that 🤷

5:03 this is stupid- I mean, even before and after her weight gain, Liz was eyecatching to me. I didn't even NOTICE that she gained wait until the public pointed it out so damn much

Justice for Liz and Giselle 💖💝 During Both there Debut Era (Eleven and Black Mamba), they Both Caught my Attention First and it's making me Sad that they don't get the Recognition they Deserve 😭💔

For chaehyun I understand that she is 1st on 999 gplanet rank… but imo she doesn’t suit center position, xt is better in that pov and wake one knows that… + kep1er doesn’t have a strong vocalist line, so Chaehyun has to carry with Youngeun, if Chaehyun was center than Kep1er would be 80% chaehyun and 20% the others

Kpop is slowly turning into a "visual and lipsyncing singers" that notice that turning into models is more profitable 📈

So sad that companies are discriminating between idols😫😓

The 2nd girl from IVE is seriously good looking almost have the potential like V. It's a shame they didn't use her advantage properly.

Visual shouldn't matter. Talent is what is needed for a perfect idol

i never thought that chaehyun was underappreciated... it doesn't help that there are other members that are more underappreciated as much or even more than chaehyun...

why do idols work their butt off to debut just only to get mistreated?? this is so disgusting.

Liz is actually one of the best looking in IVE

Liz is the only good vocalist in Ive and she’s being ignored and sent hate all because she gained some weight? And on top of that it’s not even noticeable. Like, why do they even care as long as she CAN SING because that’s literally her job

In the world where le sserafim exist, starship's idea about using their two 'only' popular member as their only face is not acceptable

The thing about aespa is.... in Korea (their biggest fanbase) aespa is all about Karina and Winter , and In Japan 70% of Mys are Winter fan and in Chinese market Karina dominates sales follow by Ningning, And in most other asian countries Karina is the most popular member While Ningning is the most popular in Western countries... Giselle come last or Second last in most countries when it comes to demand , especially in Korea their biggest fanbase.. so it kinda make sense because A kpop company is just a business afterall, if you are in demand the treatment is better

Awesome stuff

In my opinion the most mistreatd memeber by the company in kep1er is yeseo bahiyyih and mashiro they always get least line and least screen time

Giselle : Mmm everybody look at me SM : Nope Me : still looking at Aeri because she shines in my eyes

you forgot renjun and winwin (also most of foreigner members)

I was never really satisfied with the treatment of Kpop Idols these days especially Gen4 Idols. There is always a "black sheep" in the group, that gets a different low treatment. Hope that changes cuz this can end bad.

Idols are people too it's to sad that other fans treat the idols like an animal 😭

It's like these companies think people won't notice. It's disgusting.

It's funny because I came to discover about Ive because of the debut photo of LIZ. Despite being a kpop fan for more than 6 years, I didn't know that Wonyoung was THAT popular. (Probably because I wasn't an izone fan) Liz drew me towards Ive and I didn't even realise that Wonyoung and Yujin was in the same group as her until I saw the Eleven m/v. It's sad to see her being mistreated like this. I'm not a fan of ive but I will always support Liz.

Although I don't support those but if I see it as an investor it makes sense

Kep1er is a whole mess actually. I don't know why they would make a group with 9 members if they always give the majority of lines and center to the same 3 members regardless of rankings.

Omg... kep1er has like 2 singers and they mistreat them... I perfectly remembers the survival show when they dismissed all the true singers to keep beautiful visuals who couldn't even sing... It's ridiculous to have a group with 5 visuals with no voice relying completely on autotune. If you have 2 people who can SING at least treat them fairly...

It's actually the public that determines the marketability of each individual member....Bottom line is profit and money AND it's a fierce popularity contest as well These K-Ent companies all have marketing teams that crunch numbers and data , and will utilize and market each members accordingly... And then when the fans notice, they will again take it into account and adjust accordingly ...It's always been like this with all groups and bands

to say Chaehyun is overshadowed and Xiaoting is being pushed more is crazy…

im sure this video was before liz perform on MMA.

Yuta is just absolutely gorgeous 😍

Sadly, Liz has the amazing voice and also sing best in Ive, but I don’t know why company push up only Wonyoung and Yujin so much even these 2 girls not sing live well like Liz. Seriously I think Liz is the most beautiful in Ive and also the most talent too. She should get better chance in another company, this is unfair.

You forgot Nmixx Jiwoo and Jinni

Some companies need to do better in treating all their groups and idols the same.

OK liz part is fucking alarming i'm not a stan of ive but wtf she was really a stan attractor at their debut stage just like wony they're doing her dirty because of SOME WEIGHT GAIN ? Oh man kpop is reall fucked up it's disgusting they worked so hard for THIS ?? this is just so sad! ps : giselle maybe because of the controversies but nobody deserve this is their hard work after all. ps : for chaehyun it's just center wise but she is well promoted she is a mc and she has the main vocal part so it's not a big deal for her I think hiyyih is the one who's really mistreated she goes viral for not having any vocal part in we fresh too. she's so popular but wake one is trying to make her dirty people thinks she can't sing (she made a cover if you want to hear her real voice) but this is a temporared group so they need to be promoted she is trying to do it herself since wake one is a shit company ps : yuta idk him but he looks so good so i don't understand why he's left out sm is really making them dirty it's sad

fans are complaining that Chaehyun has "ONLY 4" center position spots in the MV? lol

am i the only one that hates the way she pronounces liz’ name 😭😭

The problem with Kep1er is that WakeOne and Mnet vision for the group was determined way before the show and the group was made. And unfortunately since the voting isn't rigged. It didn't turn out like they wanted.

Got into IVE because of Wonyoung but stayed because of LIZ. Hope she'll get the love she deserves. So underrated Queen.

At least chaeyeon have lines in the song as she is the main vocalist . However xiaoting got no line and she is among the members who get least line in the group.Also, she suit more center than chaeyeon .

5:35 song name in the background?

It's sad how amazingly talented foreign idols, that came to korea and sacrifized so hard to acomplish their dreams, are treated even worse in the biggest entreteinment companies, even Chaehyun and Liz that are actually korean and the most talented and skilled vocalist in their generation, really shameful Let's give our love to these idols and all members in other groups so the companies do their job how their supossed to

Wait what! I need to go watch Yuta's movie nowwwwww

For me I prefer xiaoting as center in kep1ee but I'm not saying that chaeyhun is a bad center . When Kep1er is performing Chaeyhun/Kep1er center is overshined by Xiaoting , Dayeon , Hikaru .

Justice for these idols

wakeone is definitely not making chaehyun disappear. (literally why would they, chaehyun is literally the only member under wakeone in kep1er) xiaoting just suits the center position more (better stage presence & suits the concepts more) + she’s the visual & one of the most popular members. naturally she would get pushed more than the other members. chaehyun gets decent lines, decent screentime & more. also for the hair, she’s probably just letting her hair heal after dying it pink & blonde in just a few months. (which probably needs a lot of bleaching which severely damages the hair)

Liz is not being hidden nor is she underrated, what other rookie you know aside from the big 4 that have worked with brands in the first year of their career despite being unknown before???

Giselle's reputation is ruined just bcz of media and her own company I hate them when they show favoritism. Disgusting 🙄

wtf leeju💀