Aliens? I thought in the book it's revealed that the couple who found the manuscript were actually intelligent apes.

Landon losing his brain using lobotomy vs conditioning feels worse to me. Lobotomy is irreversible, not to mention relevant to 1968 more, as not too long ago it was the go-to solution for any behavior that was seen as being unfit for society. JFK's sister is probably its most famous victim.

One thing I like the most in the original film is that Taylor is quite a nihilist, he is disconnected from everything and everybody (is a even a dick with his own crew), this made him the best candidate for the type of work he does; I mean the mission is one ticket and he knows it but when he found Nova also love and mercy with the human race, after seen that other species were not better at the end which ironically is the worst case scenario for him because all the pain he suffers seeing his own species doomed. I think this message was lost after the first movie with the “oh yes, all humans sucks” which is really childish and boring.

Agree, the ending of the book is awesome too

I was expecting you to go into detail on the different endings.

Both the novel and the movie have qualities. The movie works as drama while the novel works as satire.

The premise in Boulle's novel was that Man -- wherever in the Universe he may have evolved to become the apex intelligence -- was beset by an unexplainable spiritual ennui . . . so that when the Apes began to 'ape' the humans, humans became willing (even eager) to let the apes take over civilization, content to live as caged animals no longer bearing the responsibility for maintaining and advancing civilization. This is what happened in the distant Past on the planet Soror, as described by a female human test animal whose brain is probed electrically for 'race memories' passed down for 10,000 years or so. This is what happens to Professor Antelle, who -- being a misanthrope in the year 2500 -- finds contentment devolving into a naked caged animal, without a care in the world. When Ulysse Merou returns to Earth c. 3200, having been gone for about 700 years as stay-at-home earthlings reckoned Time (relativity having aged him only about a total of 5 years -- 1 year of acceleration to near-light speed, 1 year of deceleration, about a year on the planet Soror, then another pair of years accelerating-then-decelerating to get back to Earth), he discovers that the same sort of spiritual ennui that turned the humans of Soror into devolved animals had happened to the humans of Earth during his absence. In contrast, the film has it that Man waged a NUCLEAR WAR which destroyed his own civilization, and the Apes who eventually 'aped' their way to the status of a civilized, cultured people were led by certain apes -- the family line of Zaius and others -- who retained secret knowledge of the prominence of Man as an intelligent species in the Past, when Ape History came to be re-written by the Lawgiver, official LIES establishing that Man has always been a soulless animal, and that God created the Ape in His own image (etc.). Zaius, as the 'Guardian of the Terrible Secret', is one of the few apes who knows the true history of Ape and Man -- he and his ancestors having been driven by FEAR of man's potential to wage yet another destructive worldwide war, to have brutalized the remnants of humans still alive in that Post-Cataclysmic era. In the film, the humans have been conditioned by at least 1,200 years of simian brutalization into suppressing any sign of Intelligence and an ability to Speak. When Taylor writes in the sand "I CAN WRITE" for Zira, Cornelius and Zaius to see, Nova and one of her tribesmen purposely ERASE what he'd written . . . because they KNOW that the apes will do to him what Taylor later discovers had been done to Landon. Boulle's novel is great, don't get me wrong, but the notion that the entire human species could just allow themselves to shed their own status as a Civilized people, in favor of living the life of a naked savage, fed by veterinarians and zookeepers like dogs in a kennel, well, I just find the idea to be too far-fetched. There may well be some human beings who are so beset with such an ennui that they might opt for it -- but the majority? Nope. Humans are too competitive, ever seeking to become the dominant one, from the academic achiever in K-12 school to the superpower status of a nation-state. The film is the better story, with a more hard-hitting dynamic behind the conflicts between Apes and Humans, due to the backstory which Taylor discovers at the end to be the answer he's looking for . . . which Zaius warned him he might not like if he should find it.

Interesting that in the book the apes question if they are just mimicking humans and the biggest difference with films was the level of tech, the book they were at the jet age, same as man as the book was wrote.

I think the point of the aliens on the space sailboat with the message in a bottle was to show the reader that the story is just a fantasy, and that we’re not supposed to think about the likelihood of alien apes and humans on another planet with no ancestral connection to earth.

came here to learn about the 2 endings. not mentioned.

I thought your comparison was fair and precise. My only quibble is that I love Phyllis and Jinn! I’ve been a POTA fanatic since the early ‘70s, and as perfect as the original film is, as usual in tradition, nothing beats the novel. It’s the original inspiration and template. No POTA exists without it. As is typical when comparing novel-to-film, novels dwell deep into the psychology of the subject matter, whereas films are obligated to gloss over all of that in order to fit an entire narrative into a tight, limited time slot. Film is visual, novels are cerebral. Novels allow the reader to create their own mental visuals and film provides the visuals for the viewer. Both are wonderful companion-pieces and should be accepted on their own individual merits.

Tim Burton's film of planet of the apes comes closest to the book by Pierre Boulles.

Thank you for this! Really enjoyed, especially your commentary. Really wish you discussed the endings, that's what i came for.

That's a cool video with some clever points but, I reckon u didn't read the book, the people traveling thru the space reading the storie turns out to be inteligent apes, one of the biggest plot twist ever writting

so i finished the new movie and look on audible and saw there are 9 other books but they're all written by other people so i'm wondering are those all based on the movies and the only one the movie is based on is the first book or are they all just their own thing

9:00 incomplete. The movie's commentary isn't just about religion as stifling the progress of science. The ultimate commentary brought forth in the ending is that science unimpeded by morality results in the destruction of the species.

shame on you for not mentioning the ending which people call the worst part of the remake

I don't know why the author would assume that Professor Antelle would take on the uncouth, animal behaviors and thought processes of the humans he was imprisoned with. I could see the possibility where Antelle would be able to control the situation and raise the intelligence of those humans around him as being more likely.

The bearded astronauts foreshadow the arrivals of the apes. How did they repair the crashed space ship? This was a major logical error.

I certainly should read the book, before I judge. I just can say I became that I was perfectly fine with the arthouse-esque beginning of the film. It was very helpful with that certain, distanced, postapocalyptic, human-unfriendly hopeless atmoshere it created. Taylor is an extremely americanised version of Ulysses. He's loud and demanding and doesn't dance around the fact, that he's neither pleased with humanity nor gorillas with rifles.

100% agree book loses points for the aliens tho

book is much better than movie!!!!!

I agree the book is so much better 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. The movie is excellent too, but the book’s characters and questions are so much more interesting to me. The original Rod Serling script actually looked a lot more compelling. I’m excited to see how the upcoming comic Planet of the Apes visionaries portrays this. Great point on the Antelle vs. Landon analysis. I wish they had developed Landon more. Would have liked to hear about the Lebanon vs Dodge comparison and ending comparisons. Have you ever realized how Escape from the Planet of the Apes captures much of the book’s spirit (except Apes in human society instead of vice versa). I never picked up that Ulysses didn’t like humans. I thought that was more Antelle’s attitude. I interpreted Ulysses motivation to be one of the first humans to go on such a major interstellar trip. I agree the framing device is a little weird, but I think it adds a nice commentary about the fate of humanity.

No execution though. Great Job!

I have to say, the book was great. the movie was better.

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This was not a comparison. What comparisons you made were minimal. All you did was give a retelling of the movie. Sorry I listened to this. A total waste of time.

Seems you did not get the point of the book or at least you did not tell about it and i do not agree about what you say about the beginning of the book thats important as is the end which you both dont understand.So i can recommend certain books you should not read cause they are too long for you