GuineaPigDan this Mass was World Youth Day 2013. The accompaniment was March of the Gladiators and from what I understand from a Brazilian friend of mine the song has a very different connotation there than it does here.

Is that allowed?

It is impossible that the music is like this in that catholic mass it is prohibited by the Vatican to use circus music in it and why is there no crozier held by the bishop

Guineapigdon - you can now go to your wash places to contemplate about the next item called guineadog.

Margarito Trevino It's not only the circus song... It's also that procession with the caroussel, that weird structure with people swinging on it, the roller blading angels... so sad.... the Church does not recongnize sacred anymore.

To be fair, the Catholic mass shown here is also hierarchical. It's taking place in the second-largest Catholic basilica in the world. But yes, it's far from typical. Although, I always found perfectly ordinary masses shocking enough, with sufficient abuses to embarrass any Orthodox.

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Dont be judgemental. You dont know whole Orthodox liturgies.

Thank you for standing up for a true Mass of all time.

IMO the Traditional Latin Mass is by far the most beautiful form of worship.

Join ark of salvation orthodoxy! Reason why catholic church illegimate: 1.why theres is god like leader? Why they don’t accept christ as leader but pontiff? 2.its not agreed that rome is sovergin by ecumenical council. 3.all bishops must be equal,theres no leader like main bishop.

@@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx Jesus left Saint Peter in charge

@@RS-tp3uu no god always leader St.peter didn’t left him

@@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx actually say with the original church

@@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx some Catholic chirches oare more traditional

The guys should've took a video from Vatican or other basilicas churches

But the fact that it's possible says a lot.

Nice to see someone who does

@Bloreen Kobux all Eastern Churchs used to be Catholic

@Bloreen Kobux the Lantin mass is a better representation Catholic theology , and Cathilic tradition. The new mass is a simplified version , and can be said well with reverence, unfortunately we find to often liturgical abuses creep in to the new mass , more or less depending on the parish. I'm one of many Catholics who are heart broken over this . I pray for the Bishops to correct these problems.

Except there is NO Orthodox service to compare with that.

In every orthodox church its typical

Yes and that was not an entrance,it was a procession after the mass so they were wishing everyone and tell bye ,and at the end they made it look as if it was a procession

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StratKruzer No, there are examples to be found in liberal parts of the Orthodox world

The Gospel on a circus Ladder and people swinging around it. I think they have crossed the limits.

That's because it's NOT Catholic. This liar uses a Vatican II, heretical "mass"

@@wes6363 uh Vatican II Novus Ordo is a valid Catholic Mass. You must be a Latin schismatic?

Steven Wright - No, I avoided the schism by retaining the Catholic faith.

Steven Wright - I don't like to spit in the face of Christ, so i don't attend Vatican II anti mass

***** I can give you my own explanation, even if I'm not a theologian or an historian. Catholicism as well as Christianity is a global widespread religion, so during centuries, it adapted to the local cultures. For this reason you can find multiple and different versions of Catholicism. Maybe in that area of Brazil, people are very festive or fun-loving, so they created a carnival-like Liturgy. Of course I'm horrified, but what do you expect, an intervention of the Inquisition, or an excommunication? By the way I think it's completely ignorant to compare a little crazy situation with the Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is a much more bigger reality. I have attended many Orthodox ceremonies, and I have never felt any distance or discrimination. How many of you can say to have experienced the different? Happy Catholic Christmas, and to the Orthodox friends, we will celebrate the January 7th :)

I would agree that the intent of this posting is unfair.

Chiara: I have seen garbage like this in American Catholic Churches.

Thomas Carney Not in U.S. Churches.

Allie S: try Milwaukee WI with "Liturgical Dance" under Weakland. Clown Masses all over the nation. "Buddhist" Masses in New Mexico. I have seen it here in the USA.

Oh orthodox priest have sin they are able to marry but chatolic priest doesntandnit was said by the bible that you shouldn't. Compare me to a person serve only me forever and ever

Obviously these things DO happen in Catholic churches.

@@henzlarry8965 that's Donatism (a condemned heresy) and forcing priests to be cellibate is a western innovation.

The difference is that you see these pathetic shows in every continent of the Earth in the Papist World. You don't see that in Russia, nor in Jerusalem, Georgia, Serbia, etc...

What do papist want ? To go on ruling what they consider beeing their world. What do the New Evangelical churches want ? Make money and end with the Papist power. Do you think some Orthodox Churches aren't looking for gold and power too ? Sorry, but about some o'them, I don't think they just seek for purity and holiness...

@@alentejaneiro They are all human institutions and as such will all have flaws and scandals.

@@alentejaneiro our Church isn't a house of cards unlike the papacy

@@0hhtecMusicianTheNotecianHero That’s because it toppled centuries ago.

Orthodox or catholics same difference. They both practice IDOLATRY, and follow human traditions that are not Biblical. There is only one Leader of the Church and that is Our Lord Jesus Christ, and not some human performing satanic rituals. (Hebrews 4:14, 15)

Dalia Thompson The Orthodox are not idolaters. Idolatry is specifically condemned by the Seventh Ecumenical Council. If anyone at an Orthodox church dares to attribute to an icon or a saint the worship due to God alone, they are anathema (excommunicated and accursed). Indeed the Greek word eikon differs from the word eidol, in that an idol is an image that is to be worshipped, whereas an eikon is any representational art (think about the icons on your iPhone or your PC and you get the idea). Historically, the Jews themselves used images in worship, and like the Orthodox, did not worship them, but venerated them, the most prominent examples being the sculpted Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant, and the rich iconography excavated at various ancient Jewish synagogues, such as at Dura Europos in Syria. The idea that any use of imagery whatsoever is idolatry is of Islamic origin; the Byzantine Emperor attempted to ban icons in order to make a peace gesture to the Muslims, which failed, and the Seventh Ecumenical Council condemned him and the iconoclasts as heretics; at the same time, there were idolaters in the church as well, who did worship the icons, and did things like scratch off bits of paint and mix it in with the Communion wine, and they were also anathematized. Martin Luther, most Anglicans since the 19th century, and indeed most Protestants share our views on this subject. Protestants tend to use stained glass windows as iconography; Roman Catholics prefer statues, and we prefer paintings, but the effect is the same: to represent on Earth the heavenly realm above. That this is permissible is because the incarnate Word became Man, Jesus Christ, and thus to reject icons is to reject the reality of the Incarnation, for men did see God the Word, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, with their eyes.

God COMMANDED the use of images for HIS glory only. He never said anything about making images of Mary or dead people and then worshiping them. You Catholics and Orthodox go around your church making out with your heretical "icons." Repent and believe in the true God. You only need to seek salvation in Jesus Christ and accept Him as your personal Lord ans Savior. Idolatry is condemned in the Bible and in the 10 commandments. You only need to repent and accept Jesus as your savior and Lord. It matters not how much you kiss and make out with your idols but you will never find salvation in them. Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ ALONE.

Dalia Thompson As I said in my previous post, we do NOT worship any icons, even those icons of Jesus Christ; worship is due ONLY to God the Holy Trinity. Anyone who worships an icon in the Orthodox church is subject to excommunication. We venerate icons of our saints in the same manner you venerate photographs you may have of your deceased relatives, but we do not worship them. We ask for their prayers, along with the prayers of the living, but we do not pray to them, and we do not believe they have the power to answer our prayers, only to pray for us, as they are members of the Church Triumphant, and they can pray, just as members of the Church Militant can on Earth. Anyone who worships a saint, or who worships an icon, even an icon of Jesus Christ, is anathema.

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians Lastly the Orthodox Church entirely agrees that salvation is found through Christ alone, and that Mary was in need of this salvation as much as anyone else; it is some Catholics who believe Mary to be the co-redemptrix (although even that is not the official doctrine of the Roman church, as much as their official Mariolatry must make the good Lady blush).

Чварков Ђорђе - Well, you can either show where Rome supports liturgical abuses like these or else just look like a person of a big mouth and no idea of what he's saying.

***** - Sure.

Juan Salinas Rome supports it by not excommunicating the bishops who perform these abuses.

Чварков Ђорђе - I can only let the responsible men (even if among them are the Pope and bishops) give account to God for their way of serving Him. You are being very judgemental and are committing the mistake of generalizing.

+Чварков Ђорђе The issue is that he compared an Orthodox Liturgy to a Catholic service, not a Mass, and that's the obvious clear part about it. That "Gospel procession" never took place during a Mass. Secondly, if you read Vatican 2 documents and the Mass liturgy, then you'd actually realize that Cardinals and Bishops do not support or encourage a Mass like this. Thirdly, devotions to God are not lame in any light. Regardless of what religion this is, criticizing someone's worship of God is childish

I do in part agree with you, although I think the poster of this video was trying to warn the Orthodox of a dangerous problem the Roman church is wrestling with, which is at risk of infecting our own communions. There is always a danger in polemics of degenerating into nationalism or triumphalism, but I don't see that here; I rather see a video that looks to me like it can serve both as a valuable warning to the Orthodox, and as a wake up call to Catholics. When you see the profoundly negative reaction Catholics have at seeing this video, when they realize such gross impiety is occurring routinely in their church, one cannot help but feel that this video might contribute positively to the very important effort on the part of the Catholic church to reform itself, and purge itself of the Modernist heresy, which is certainly a prerequisite for the full reconciliation between them and the East, that I am sure that we both desire.

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians I agree with both of you. As someone that attends both forms of the Catholic Mass Ordinary and Extraordinary, I very much acknowledge I've seen liturgical abuse in the Novus Ordo, so yes, if strict rules are not observed bad things can happen at times. No faithful person who wants to give reverence to God would, or should accept that. At the same time, this video is just to mock the few instances where rubrics are not followed. It's very prideful and arrogant on your part to whomever posted it What's really unfortunate is you give no respect to your fellow Orthodox who do not condone or defend the point you're trying to make. I hope Catholics as well do not do this with protestant liturgy, it's equally as demeaning and I as Catholic would not want any part in it. Not in Gods name.

CP Ramos It should be noted that it has always been legitimate to mock heretics. St. Irenaeus hillariously satirized Valentinian Gnosticism in Against Heresies. St. Elijah, whose holiness got him direct access to Heaven in a chariot of fire, openly ridiculed priests of Baal. The liturgical abuses depicted in this video are blasphemies, as bad as anything taught by Valentinus, and deserve nothing less than mocking and condemnation. Thus, its entirely wrong of you to describe this video, which does not even comment on that which it depicts, but merely presents excerpts of actual occurences, as prideful or arrogant, given that in the grand scheme of polemics, this is rather mild. One would be entirely justified in going far beyond the mild criticism this offers, in regards to liturgical abuses (and as a delightful example of such heresiology, take a look at the blog "Bad Vestments.")

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians I should lastly say that the idea that it is somehow unchristian to make fun of, ridicule or lambast non-Christian religions or heresies is a novel one; both the Bible and the Patristic tradition are full of valiant saints who defeat, through firery and at times very humorous rhetoric, the enemies of God.

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians Well if your Tradition teaches you to mock others to change their hearts, so that it will bring them to the Truth of Jesus' Gospel, then that to me speaks for itself. And my point completely flew over your head. Catholics like myself who attend the Tridentine Mass never see anything remotely depicted in the video, and never will. So the bias and mockery presented in the video paints things with a very broad brush. Furthermore, I doubt the fiery ideological justification you mention would apply to Catholics of the Byzantine Rite who use the divine liturgy. Of course you'll say that's because they conform to your Orthodox standards. If these types of videos brings joy and justification to your heart and mind then feed off it lol You can learn some humility by reading what Michael Lunz wrote,he'll bring more people to the Orthodox Church as well as the plight of the persecuted Christians in the Middle East and Africa, than the ideologue factions of your church.

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@Joshua张志鸿 That's cute.

@Joshua张志鸿 Go eat your batsoup.

Don't fight brother's. Read a copy of Qur'an and understand what god's message for humanity is. All prophets have the same message. The message is there is no god but Allah (God) and Muhammad is his prophet. Similarly for other prophets. But as time passed people changed/mixed/ added/substracted bible and moved astray. So a new prophet comes.

@@MS-Hussain the Quran is corrupt.

+John Smith That are video from the charismatic group here from Brazil.

Now you see wierd things happening in your Church

Unbelievable

amen

never say this anymore as orthodox i say that catholic are not christian and it is heresy

+Giorgi Amiranashviliil I'm catholic , I love God

true orthodox real cristian and true way catholick is nothing

+Giorgi Amiranashvili,the Creed your talking about is NOT written in bible.Its man made,not god made.

thedoctorplusone Not sure who your post was meant for but I totally agree with you on everything you said and you said it well.

+TheSwissMan95 Complain to Vatican II, not to us.

+Orthodox Church The Novus Ordo of the Roman Rite can be beautiful too!

+Orthodox Church please read motu proprio "summorum pontificum" of Pope Benedict XVI :) Vatican II not forbidden the Latin Mass ! NEVER ! This is beautiful catolic Rite!

+Natalia Marfik hey I'm living in Moldova Orthodox .I want to talk to someone you may even want to know how you are thinking how to spend liturgies is absolutely trivial to believe in Catholic liturgy 's circus

+GangPrakStur ok make you one video

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Lara 1 Nah, clown masses are valid in Papism.

@@TheRealRealOK The fact that you call it papism, and not Catholicism shows your bias. Only those who hate the church and will do anything to slander it call it papism. Use real terms, I’m not calling Orthodoxy “patriarchism”.

@@Brother_Piner it is papism, since you follow the pope

I do agree this is perhaps a biased representation regarding modern Roman worship... never the less... it exists and is allowed. The problem isnt trying to find a more "traditional service" in regards to the Vatican... The problem les within the Vatican itself.. It is a fireign religion void of historical and preserved Christian Truth.

Such Circus show is Roman chatholic church in Brasil that forbid tridentina rite

@@TheUlrixHe took some of the worst examples of catholicism practices that is in Brasil (again)...

Most of catholic masses are a circus show, every local Catholic Church I go to is like this

@@kaizarchan hmm lets see what is taking place in rome, oh whats that? pope francis places an idol on the altar? interesting

@@mariorizkallah5383why are you being so uncharitable? Do you feel like a good witness to the Romans? Before I converted to Orthodoxy, I attended beautiful Tridentine Liturgies and was in a large community of faithful traditional Roman Catholics. A lot of us convert to Orthodoxy. By God’s grace I never encountered someone like you. Only Orthodox who were very so sympathetic to the plight of Traditional Catholics.

There is another longer video that shows a more balanced comparison of the two liturgical traditions. This video is basically comparing a sort of "Worst of Catholicism" to a typical Orthodox service. That said, the point, from an Orthodox perspective, is that before we can make progress with ecumenical dialogue, Rome needs to get her liturgical house in order.

***** I highly agree, and I think the Roman Catholic church is moving in that direction; thanks be to God!

***** First of all, it is not incumbent upon us to change a shred of our doctrine. While our liturgical house has fallen into disarray due to the subversion of Jews, homosexuals, Freemasons, and Communists that have infiltrated our seminaries, our Doctrine has remained. You 'orthodox' preach a lousy doctrine, which is why you tolerate evils like contraception, and Russians practice abortion at truly cataclysmic levels. Your Marian teaching is wrong, and you must renounce it. She was conceived immaculate. If this is not understood, then she is not the Ark of the New Covenant. But Luke makes it clear, using OT types, that she is. ABSENT THAT UNDERSTANDING, THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT FULFILL THE COVENANT. A denial of the Immaculate Conception is close to apostasy. Every other teaching is ok by us, in my opinion. You don't want the filioque, don't use it, like Eastern churches that aren't in schism. But don't tell us it's a heresy. We believe in Consubstantialism. As I understand it, so do you. That given, not saying 'filioque' is just a point of emphasis. Look, the fact is you all can't get a council together, so it follows that you don't know how to define heresy. I'm sure videos like this make you all feel very warm and toasty inside, because you can take some Brazilian parade and make it seem like this is what Catholics do everyday, when Russians preserve a very beautiful (and, near as I can tell, unproblematic) liturgy. But, the truth is your doctrinal house is as disordered as our liturgical.

DemilichFan From my standpoint as a member of the Syriac Orthodox Church, I do not object to the immaculate conception of Mary, but I would say that she was as much in need of salvation by Christ as anyone else. The Syriac Orthodox Church officially believes in the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary, which is not unreasonable; if Enoch and Elijah could ascend directly into Heaven, then surely Mary is deserving of the same honor. If she was not taken up into heaven, either before or immediately after death, then one finds oneself with the rather pressing question, as to where are her remains?

DemilichFan I should also say, that the only Marian devotion in the Roman church that I consider to be problematic is that to the Immaculate Heart; devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus strikes me as Nestorian, and devotion to a body part of a saint, aside from a preserved relic, is utterly bizarre.

Man, take it easy. This video is just a joke (not very good one) on the Internet. With love and respect, Greek Orthodox

Regardless of which song he used what happens after minute 5 is not normal and does not belong in any church

Delta De Venus OK... 1st: This children dressed like angels and the other stuff are NOT common.. This is the first time I see something like it. 2nd: like I said before, in Brazil Our Lady's day is 12nd October and the children's day is 12nd October too.. and 3rd: yeah! that was just the Bible entering... I mean, maybe they tried to do something theatrical there... why not? why not just a time? as I said, I never see something like that in masses from here, maybe in that day they did it. So comparing one random footage and pretending that in ALL CATHOLIC MASSES this happens is kind of shameful :) so as you said: Jesus Christ! And I keep on the church that Christ himself created! Have a nice day and a (late) merry Christmas ;)

@Danilo ramos Well, yes it is unfair to manipulate videos in such way, I agree. But also would not be fair to think because one minor kid who make this video to think all orthodoxian are like him. Your statement "thanks god for being Roman Catholic" makes you look arrogant and superior over your sisters and brothers in Christ. Do you don't think so? Sometimes I see the behavior of christians then I think christians are not much better than muslims. This would be very sad. However, take care and may you have a good life!

Danilo Ramos no the song is unchanged and please read the description of the video

Ispola Eti Despota

Probably they are relics of a saint. Orthodoxes love relics

The "mass" in this video is the new mass, which is not Catholic, it is the new mass which is invalid. The scary part though, is that most of "Catholicism" celebrates the invalid new mass! We must inform people to return to the Holy Tridentine Mass.

Roman Catholic Truth This is NOT the "new mass"... I go to mass almost everyday and have never seen such a circus. Obviously this video was produced to ridicule Catholics and sublimize the Orthodox. Hasn´t 1,000 years of hatred and distrust been enough? Isn´t about time that ALL Christians began following Christ´s wishes?

Roman Catholic Truth circus or not, it is still valid. please get out of your little schismatic sect, and fight for the church *in* the church.

B Rumm It's certainly not schismatic for a Roman Catholic to prefer the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass, and to attend such masses as provided by their legitimate diocese under the instructions of Summorum Pontificum, issued by Benedict XVI. It is however certainly schismatic to attend those masses celebrated by SSPX, or the sedevacantists, or any number of other traditionalist groups, many of which are anti-Semitic. The SSPX in particular, with its chic website and premium private schools, has turned religious intolerance into a luxury brand, and no Christian of any denomination should have anything to do with it. I myself am not Catholic, but I routinely attend the Tridentine Mass as celebrated in my local diocese, as I love the beauty and elegance of it, and am a liturgical enthusiast. Interestingly enough, as a member of the Syriac Orthodox church, I am even allowed to take communion. The Catholic church ought to reform the new mass so that it exhibits the same solemn dignity as the Tridentine mass, by celebrating it ad orientem, discontinuing lay eucharistic ministers, using more traditional music, and clamping down hard on liturgical abuse.

tinaine1 It's the new mass, it's just an extreme version of it, it's still the new mass, the invalid mass of Satan.

I love how you comment is right but still the real comparison in in the comments not the video lol

Catholics have Eastern rites too

well said. BTW for those who dont know some Eastern Churches are in Union with the Catholic church. I love icons.

Icons are central to the veneration of Christ, the Blessed Mother, and the saints...they are I believe essential to traditional Christian worship

Roman Catholics are one of the Rites of the Catholic Church.

+Jacob Good that would fall in line with Orthodox Theology. We do consider ourselves the Catholic Church and so does the rest of.the world. These are little difference s I hope to see reconciled in my lifetime. We have much more in common. The Saints, Apostolic Succession, The Blessed Mother and most importantly Our Eucharistic Lord. I make the sign of the cross when I pass an Orthodox Church. One time I even venerated relics in an Orthodox Church while in Uniform. The people where happy to have us. The Orthodox bishop had no problem with us venerating the relics.

+jacob good we were all one before the Major Schism. The East broke away. The filioque can be understood correctly with both interpretations. The Pope is Infalliable only when speaking ex cathedra on faith and morals. Using the term heresy does not help in the Ecumenical movement. Many positive steps have taken place on the last 50 years.

Are you out of your mind? Lex orandi, lex credendi. "How you worship, how you believe." If you debase your liturgy/worship you debase your theology.

Our Lord Jesus Christ would approve of anything that brings us closer to Him. While I think the Catholic service was weird, I doubt that the Orthodox rite is much better. It's a bunch of old men in funny costumes, separated from the people -with the congregation just spectators. I doubt that's what He had in mind at the Last Supper.

This is not catholic Liturgy! Compare traditional latin Mass to orthodox Divine Liturgy and you will see that both rites are saint!

S4andy63: I have seen Masses like this in California, Mexico and Illinois. The Catholic Church has divorced itself from its Holy Tradition and is adrift. Now we have a Modernist Pope who puts down traditional Catholics.

Gumboz1953 I really don't think you understand Orthodox Worship--how can you from a few minutes of video? BTW, do you know the music they're using in the Latin Mass is called "The March of the Gladiators?" It's used in circuses! There is no piety or humility when you debase worship with that secular noise.

+Magda Abdulmasih Well. To be perfectly fair, old women sing out of tune (and loudly) in churches of every confession the world over. You can probably go to some animist chicken sacrifice in the middle of Africa and find an old woman chanting out of tune and out of rhythm.

+Lytrigian I wish I could "like" your comment a hundred times. So funny and very true!

Lytrigian It's true, but not in a serious byzantine church choir

Magda Abdulmasih It most certainly is. If you think otherwise, you cannot have heard very many Byzantine-rite church choirs.

+Lytrigian your comment it's really true and....funny ;)

TDZ Exactly.

Especially with the Orthodox service with the Patriarch present. It's like an exceptional thing given the size of the church

+James Thornton it's unfair because I've never seen kind of things ever. it's like a festival with clowns, etc inside of the temple when a liturgical celebration is going on..... Never ever. I'm from Chile where catholicism is majority and you may find a very simple almost poor liturgy with a couple guitars and chorus and just a priest or even a deacon ...

+James Thornton I not agree. Ok, maybe about(rather than less) 1% attend old-style Latin Mass, but in most greater cities it's available, it's not something, which happened "practicaly never"(like someone could deduce from Your comment). And what more... in my parish(and all in what i was in my country(Poland - whre catholicism is also majority of course)) such thing like in this movie NEVER happened. This doesn't look like catholic mass, it looks rather like protestant parody off mass(this what happened by protestant isn't mass - practicaly they have no priest, no liturgy, and no transubstantiation... in what they even don't belive(as far as I know)). Ok, maybe there are guitars in Novus Ordo Mass, but definitely not allways. In my parish there are 5 mass in Sunday(+1 Saturday in the evening) and the guitars plays only in two of them(or one, I'm not sure about mass at 10.00 a.m). So usually there are no guitars. And im sure, that even if somewhere(this propably was in latin America, acording to this what language i could hear(sound like spanish or something like that)) in the Catholic Church happend such protestant-like pathologies such things also happened in Eastern Orthodox Church. So it should compare pathologic Mass in Catholic and Southern Orthodox Church or normal mass(Novus Ordo or old-style) in both churches. Not pathologic Mass in Catholic Church with normal Mass in Eastern Orthodox Church(if it even was a normal and not extraordinary solemn Mass...). So this video is VERY unfair. It's only need to not be blind to see it.

I fully agree with you

I fully agree with you

Unfortunately, yes. This outrageous mass happened in Aparecida Basílica. Since Vatican II, masses in Brazil kept going worse and worse, some kind of woke religion took control of the once known as Una Sancta Catholica et Apostólica Eclesia...😢😢😢

Josh Ringsell Want to bet? Churches in Michigan, Illinois, Florida, New York and California are close to this. If you want to see really bad, go to LA at the "Taj Mahony" that terrible "cathedral" that Cardinal Mahony designed.

Maybe due to the fact that the Traditional Latin Mass is not what MOST Catholic Churches use. Everyone keeps referring to the Tridentine Mass trying to prove a point, when it doesn't even apply. But I would also go to say the choice made to show a Catholic Mass does not apply as well. I have never seen such a service or anything similar to it during the time I was Catholic. By the way, yes I am Orthodox. Personally I would go to say the OP is trolling, so my best advice to everyone here is; DON'T RESPOND. As for all those who keep talking about the Traditional Latin Mass, well I would say it's time to go take your church back, and if it chooses to stay the way it is, you will always be welcome here in Orthodoxy.

That was me actually, and yes, I agree, the video is trolling. There is a longer 11 minute video that offers a more balanced comparison.

But see, this is such an American plague, both North and South. But in Rome, and most parts of Europe, true reverence still exists. That's the issue with the Novus Ordo; not that it necessarily was meant to be Modernist, but many parishes with a heavy Protestant force locally affected the Mass. That's why the Latin Mass is the better form. Though BOTH forms are valid, the Latin mass leaves no room for error, irreverence, or liberalism. But I agree, these abuses need to be addressed and dealt with, along with the lack of Catholic identity and devotion.

I do agree with you in general, but with one exception: some of the most severe liturgical abuses recorded have been in Europe; there is a priest who does "Circus Masses" in Switzerland, and meanwhile the archidocese of Cardinal Schonburn, an ultra-liberal figure, is a haven for all sorts of irreverance of the same sort experienced in the US.

ὁ κατέχων Actually the Latin Mass is making a comeback but not a huge one. This present Modernist "pope" hates anything traditional. "Pope" Francis is the embodiment of Vatican II.

Thomas Carney Vatican II was actually a pretty conservative council. But, can you elaborate on how Pope Francis is a modernist?

ὁ κατέχων Vatican II conservative?? It was a revolution in the Church!!! Ambiguous documents and it completely changed Catholic worship!!! As for "Pope" Francis he hates anything traditional and his actions and words prove that. He puts down tradiational Catholics, he has dismembered the traditional Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, and wants, through machinations in the so-called "Family Synod" to welcome homosexual couples into the Church.

Thomas Carney Actually, it changed mass very little. It was the 1969 missal which was a complete revolution in the mass. The missal we call the Novus Ordo. Explain how he has put down traditional Catholics. Also, I looked into that Fransiscian thing a while ago. I forgot the exact reason why he does not allow them to do it anymore. But it had nothing to do with him hating the traditional mass. And when did he ever say he wants to welcome homosexual couples? He is obviousley against it. He even said one time that transgenderism is like a nuclear bomb! I suggest you stop being in schism, and join the Church.

Thomas Carney Yes, I realize that. You are misquoting him. He did not say that, he said that we should move into a more modern form. This is merely his opinion. Also, a statement from the FFI, " Many of us-I would hope most of us-Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, welcome the Holy Father’s intervention into our life and trust fully that Holy Mother Church knows exactly what she is doing, even when the journalists do not. We entrust ourselves to her care, just as we do to the Immaculate." They also stated that what the Pope did was specific to a problem they were having within the FFI. He was not contradicting Benedict. Can you give me links to your other claims which I had not heard about ever.

Ryan James Gaspar I agree , they chose the worst example of liturgy , I am Brazilian and see, for example the liturgy of the Mass at the Monastery of São Bento in São Paulo would see as the liturgy is well made.

Thomas Athanasius Thomas, you are so right. This is a faked together production of a Russian Orthodox liturgy with as Brazilian non liturgical celebration of National Children's Day and festival day of Our Lady of Protection Immaculate Conception. As I exposed in another blog that has been removed from here, the circus music has been superimposed to suggest a circus. It does not fit. Russian Orthodox have convinced themselves they are the Second Byzantium and Third Rome. The Catholic is going more Christ being honored by Christ honoring His lowly. Which "circus" rows His boat.

TGene ciarlo Oh yes. By the way. The Creole celebrating in St Peter's is the case in point of Catholicism allowing Creoles to honor God right at Mass. Get over yourselves everybody!

Gene ciarlo You lie through your teeth! That was a Mass in a real Catholic Cathedral!!!

Catholic Church is the true Christian

католики истина!

Quran is garbage and Muhammad the fake prophet is in hell burning forever.

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iStouts He kissed the Pope's arse!

Emerson Aguayo Parsons but they are Orthodox?

ObnoxiousAgnostic This video is not Catholic, it is protestant...

+WanderLink orthodox divine liturgy*

Maybe because people understand that God is not a religion

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+Uros Djorgovic i think that orthodox christianity has keeped original rite, like Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandrian, Constantinople churches.

+skugric donji I want to learn more about the Orthodox Church, but don't know where to start.

+Homey Van Smack try visiting an orthodox church, and ask for a priest or a bishop, and tell him or ask him what you want and he will help you

+zaid “ByzantineOrthodox” taimeh We have Greek Orthodox near where I live. Is there much difference between the Orthodox denominations?

sakor88 You should stay in the Church for the truth and for salvation of your immortal soul, not leave it over liturgical issues. Anyway, you can be Catholic of Greek Rite (like I am) and enjoy both beautiful liturgy and the truth.

+standev1 What kind of an infallible "Vicar of Christ" would have allowed all of the post VII nonsense? Liturgical matters are not peripheral -- "lex orandi lex credendi est." And what kind of Pope would allow this stuff? It is right there on video recording -- and I've heard of many such examples.

oldwest517 I encourage you to read what infallibility of Pope means and what it doesn't mean. A lot of people misunderstand this dogma.

It is fair, because there are no new rites in Orthodoxy. It is not our fault because you allow your Church to have clown masses.

Another uniate traitor... How you even dare to speak to us, you allied with Latins who slaughtered us. Disgusting.

Чварков Ђорђе How sad that you should write such a comment.

Чварков Ђорђе May God forgive you.

ajosephcirene I can't believe some people. Чварков Ђорђе is neither Catholic nor Orthodox because of the way he speaks. Neither Church accepts this behavior and hopefully he can one day see his problems.

iStouts Roman-Catholic Church are murderers, and pope is a leader of pedophiles, it has nothing to do with a way how i speak to uniate whores.

It is not something to laugh, but to weep. It happened in my country, Brazil, in the Country's Patroness Basílica, Our Lady Aparecida. Pray for the Church 😢😢😢

@@marcosleaoteodosio5496 I’m so sorry. This obviously causes you pain. I’ve just never seen anything like this before. It just doesn’t seem real. Was this a one time event or does this occur frequently?

+Daniela de la Lazuri I am Catholic, and I think you are completely right, friend. But it will not be long before the Tridentine Rite is restored to the Church. God will put an end to this crisis, in the same way He put an end to the Arian heresy and the Great Western Schism. Perhaps then we will be able to be reconciled with our Eastern brothers, no? :)

As a Christian that attends Catholic Church for over 25+ years. I've never seen anything of this in mass. Especially at 5:35 time stamp. I'm literally mind-blown and surprised to see this. I'm watching this and thinking "what am I watching?!"

+Bao Duong idk what's that , but one thing I know is that there is no difference between a circus freak show and that .

Exactly, from my experience, every catholic mass is always very strict. The Same boring strict liturgy. I haven't seen a circus freak show like the one in this video.

As a life-long Catholic I have to admit I am very embarrassed by this mass, in particular the 'gospel procession' part. I presume the circus music was not part of the actual church service, but even without it the "procession" was embarrassing and inappropriate. We have definitely gone wrong somewhere when this codology is taking place in the Catholic Church, even if it is in a Spanish speaking culture.

rocochap21 I agree with you, yes is in latin american culture but these aren't spanish speakers, these are portuguese speakes from Brazil.

latin mass is all but banned

@@ryanl5817So it would appear, at the moment. But the FSSP (where most of the movement is going on) is VERY robust, and I am hearing reports that many dioceses are still allowing Latin Masses to quietly continue. Time will tell what God has in store for the Church's liturgy.

Mark Lim CHRISTian means you follow CHRIST. Where in that word do you see the name Peter? Please read 1 Cor 10:12. Did Peter die on the cross for you? Were you baptized in Peter's name? No it was Christ. HE is the only foundation and is the One we should follow!

G Mac Probably you should read the whole Bible and learn the whole salvation story

***** G Mac And who told you what the Christ did 2,000 years? His Apostles/disciples. Refusing to follow the Apostles and their successors, and their authority, is refusing to follow Christ. And Christ said to His disciples, he who hears you hears me and the Father who sent me... Christ likewise said to His disciples "Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you." 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained." And Christ said to Simon, which He Himself changed to Peter, "feed and tend My lambs/sheep". Anyone not under the care of Peter is not a follower of Christ. Simple as that. Look for it in the Bible and learn the salvation story. If you detached yourself to the teachings of the Apostles, you detached yourself from Christ. Without them, what you are following is not Christ, but yourself (and probably that Ancient Serpent in the Garden)

Jan Gregory Mappatao True.

Jonathan Robbins The Catholic Church is mainstream protestant today. I

the catholic church is dealing with a lot of problems today, but there are a lot of underground true catholics that secretly run the protestant headed dildos. currently we have an agenda to make the non-faithful baptised leave the church out of anger and then rebuild from the little faithful. mind you, when I say little, I would like to emphasize that there are enough of us to make an impact. The things that resemble protestantism are not truly catholic, and they will be soon ridden out.

Jonathan Robbins Since the Council of Trent and especially with the new Code of Canon Law signed by JPII in the 1980s, more power than ever before has been put in the papacy. The Faithful...many are confused, even more LOVE the NO as a form of entertainment with the no-requirements pseudo-Catholic Church we have today.... it's going to take a non-Modernist pope with BALLS to fix the problems....we have not had a pope with REAL BALLS since Pope St. Pius X.

and many catholics, real catholics would agree, but at the time being, I have my reasons to be faithful to St. Peters chair, and I have faith that the holy spirit will guide the next pope to bring back the ways of old.

Jonathan Robbins What if the Cardinals DO NOT listen the Holy Spirit?? That happened in the election of Pope Alexander VI, who literally bribed his way into the papacy with his harem and illegitimate children!!! The camerlengo of that election said, "Let us dispense with the Prayers to the Holy Spirit because we already know who the next pope is going to be." This is documented. Tell me the Cardinals are going to listen.