Complete Test Results from Surpass V6, Trinity Slot Machine, and Fantom 17.5 Brushless Motors.

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Complete Test Results from Surpass V6, Trinity Slot Machine, and Fantom 17.5 Brushless Motors.

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Күн бұрын

I show the test results from the following motors:
- Surpass Rocket V6 17.5 Stock Spec
- Surpass Rocket V617.5 Lite Weight
- Trinity Slot Machine 17.5 Stock Spec
- Trinity Slot Machine 17.5 Certified 5%
- Fantom Helix RS 17.5 Stock Spec
I ran the following Tests on them:
- Complete Measurements and weights
- Rotor Strength
- Motor Analyzer
- Load Test

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@AlanCleggYouDoAV 10 ай бұрын

I love this guy. He makes great videos! Keep up the great work man!

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

You are so kind!

@MX-CO 5 ай бұрын

I agree

@wutupclegg6618 26 күн бұрын

Now I'm blushing.

@MrNascarfan1 9 ай бұрын

I just got a 13.5 rocket and on the tester it hits 30,000 rpm. I’m excited to try it out

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

Keep us posted on how it works out for you.

@mattdymes812 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the videos, really good videos and Data. Just purchased the tunalyzer myself. I have 2x out of box fantoms that are dogs, they seem to put up good numbers for you, I want to get the fantoms on the tunalyzer. Every surpass motor I have ever purchased has been a beast. I have been just setting the timing to 42 on the can. Cant wait to tune one and try it out.

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the compliment. I really appreciate it. The Tunalyzer is a costly tool, but very handy when when setting up your motors.

@wizardwithguns1 8 ай бұрын

I've been running the V6 Rocket for a couple of months now, nice motor, you definitely have to use a pinion up from what others use to get the most out of it. Very reliable, doesn't have the high rpm but lots of torque.

@wutupclegg6618 8 ай бұрын

What motor temp are you running at?

@wizardwithguns1 8 ай бұрын

@@wutupclegg6618 about 65 degrees C with a fan

@wutupclegg6618 8 ай бұрын

That's about topped out.

@louisedark9586 10 ай бұрын

Great video, appreciate the depth you go into. I avoid companies that sell 'Certified' motors as you know the best ones have already been creamed off. It would be very interesting to see how the REDs motors and Reddy shape up on your testing as well as the Hobby Wing you mentioned.

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

Thank you fir the compliment. Yes, there's a reason they have certified motors. They make sure their standard motors are not as good. Stay tuned for those motors being tested.

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

You got your wish. I just ordered a new Reedy SP5. Keep an eye out for my review.

@bonesracin3255 10 ай бұрын

The lightweight runs cool. Currently running a 31pinion on a 72 spur and im lucky to read 90f after 10mins. Track is cool being a big pole barn in NY with inside temp maybe 60-70f this time of yr

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

Wow! What car do you run?

@jamesmooney7538 10 ай бұрын

I just wanna say you are doing a good job BRO!!! Some people can't afford the motor analyzers or time you put in for the consumer....I know from this Video I chose the surpass motor,not because it's the most reasonabley priced but performance it had put out on numbers...Yes the fantom has higher KV but the surpass has a torquier motor and can add more teeth on and match the rpm,but the torque you can't...I would like to see if you can do Tekin motors and maybe MCV as well... KUDOS 💪💯😎

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

Thank you, brother. I'm looking at doing some other motors. Tekin and Hobbywing look like the best ones to check next. The cost and time is a lot, but curiosity gets to me and my kids don't want to go to college anyways.

@jugador5801 5 ай бұрын

@@wutupclegg6618I gotta say the depth you have is a lot you may even be able to reach out to people to test their motors deserve way more subs

@wutupclegg6618 5 ай бұрын

@@jugador5801 I would love to test other people motors, but I would only like to do it if they are new. I try to get a deep as I can, with the equipment I have. I am working on a new device that will compare the motor even better than a dyno.

@jugador5801 5 ай бұрын

@@wutupclegg6618 I have a r1 Volta and a white hyperspec I wouldn’t mind sending you for testing I’d pay shipping there

@wutupclegg6618 5 ай бұрын

@@jugador5801 shoot me an email.

@brown55061 8 ай бұрын

Seems to me the best motor was the fantom. Doesn't matter how much numbers drop from unloaded vs loaded, what gives the most RPM and KV at the same timing mark and that's going to allow more top speed. If you're offroad or onroad, you may want more torque. But you can also buy a team spec fantom and it will probably be even better yet. BUT if your chassis sucks it won't matter what motor you have.

@wutupclegg6618 8 ай бұрын

All good points! Drivers are finding that they can add few teeth more on the Surpass and HobbyWing motors, over the Fantom. But, like I mentioned, overall, it depends on your driving style and track. The only way to see which motor is fastest, for you, you will have to sample all motors. Yes, if you have a poorly setup chassis and keep crashing, only the slowest motor will help track times.

@baxrok2. 9 ай бұрын

Well done. Thanks!

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

Thank you. I appreciate the complement.

@Powerpickle68 6 ай бұрын

They all measure pretty darn equal. Based on the two Trinity samples, paying extra for the 5% isn't worth it.

@wutupclegg6618 6 ай бұрын

Agreed! That's why u started doing this. I wanted to see if a $160 motor is worth the money.

@ciscabraller 9 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for all your videos!!! Great information!!! So the big question is. Have you found that the load master is worth it and does a better job on finding the best timing for a motor with the load then without? TIA

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

If you need the extra edge, in racing, and you're comparing motors, the Load Master is well worth it. It gives you an idea on how much torque a motor has. For example, the Fantom has a lot more RPMs, but due to the torque of the Surpass, you can gear the Surpass with a much lower gear ratio for even higher RPMs at the wheels. Stay Tuned, I will do a complete video on the WMH Racing Gear.

@SUPERROOSTMATT 10 ай бұрын

great video mate! where abouts do you get your shims and bearings from? keep up the good work!

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

I get them from eBay or Amain. Depends on. Who has the better deal. Thank you for the compliment. It is greatly appreciated.

@LegendsPizzaCo Ай бұрын

Great video. Thanks to you u bought a V6 lol. You mentioned since it's got lower rpms than the Fantom you suggested gearing up to account for that correct? I might install this on my B6.4 until I get the B7 built.

@wutupclegg6618 Ай бұрын

Very cool! Let me know how it turns out for you. Thank you for the complement. I really appreciate it.

@LegendsPizzaCo Ай бұрын

@wutupclegg6618 I will report back. I also ordered a sky rc motor analyzer to help me dial it in better. I'm anxious to see the difference between the V6 and the team powers v5. At my local track they basically bully you into a team powers motor lol. The track is the north American distributor for team powers so all the employees walk you right over to them if you ask which motor to go with lol

@wutupclegg6618 Ай бұрын

How did it compare. I hear the V6 is a ton better.

@LegendsPizzaCo Ай бұрын

@wutupclegg6618 I'm heading to nor cal tmw actually. I've had the surpass installed for a few weeks just haven't had time to get to the track. But I will report back tmw. Based on the numbers the V6 is much more powerful than Team Powers. In fact I'm tempted to buy a 13.5 for the T6.4 and might put one in the B7 I'm building now

@wutupclegg6618 Ай бұрын

That wouldn't be a bad idea. I wish I had time to get out on the track.

@birdiephelan 9 ай бұрын

Where did you get that motor testing case, That would make life much easier

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

Except fit the Tunalyzer, everything else came from WMHRacing.com.

@germancarfan 7 ай бұрын

How does the Hobbywing V10 G4 compare?

@wutupclegg6618 7 ай бұрын

It's a good motor. However, it lacks the speed and torque of the Surpass and tekin. On the other side, I have seen racers succeed with it.

@starlinggibson4117 10 ай бұрын

Hello where did you get the resistance numbers on the Roar website, I looked in the forums and didn’t see it

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

Look at the certified motors. They are listed there.

@MX-CO Ай бұрын

Could you be competitive with any of these motors that you have tested?

@wutupclegg6618 Ай бұрын

That depends on a few things. What track are you racing on, how often do you crash, and how often does the other drivers crash. Track surface and setup is very important. If you are a racer who rarely crashes and/or makes mistakes, the almost any will be good. However, if the other drivers drive the same, then you'll need an upper edge.

@KaizenOz 10 ай бұрын

Nice work, pity the slot machines are now banned. Interested to see if you tested a new reedy sp5

@wutupclegg6618 10 ай бұрын

The Trinity thing sucks. I now have $270 woth of paper weights, in my two Slot Machines. I was going to sell them, but they are not worth much anymore. I have a couple motors in mind. Hobbywing is looking like a solid choice. I am going to do a rebuild of an old motor and see if motors are worth rebuilding.

@KaizenOz 10 ай бұрын

yep i have two team specs that are worthless too, at least my vintage cars will have a lot of power in the future@@wutupclegg6618

@MX-CO 5 ай бұрын

Why did Trinity get banned?

@panozesperantegtr-1gobrrrr141 4 ай бұрын

@MX-CO the Slot Machine motors sold were different internally to the ones Trinity provided to ROAR for evaluation.

@wutupclegg6618 26 күн бұрын

I can't wait to try out the new versions.

@LegendsPizzaCo Ай бұрын

Do you have a video on how to shim a motor? I've never taken one apart and would love to learn more

@wutupclegg6618 Ай бұрын

I might do one. I have seen quite a few videos out there that talk about it, but they might not be detailed enough. I'll put that on my list. I just have to get my new workspace up and going.

@LegendsPizzaCo Ай бұрын

@wutupclegg6618 awesome thank you. Im sure it's fairly simple I'm jjsy intimidated to take the motor apart lol.

@wutupclegg6618 Ай бұрын

If you do, I highly recommend getting the WMH Racing motor service stand. It will help you realign the Rotor, when putting it back k in. And review it from the stator.

@rickycopsey1080 5 ай бұрын

Have you tested the zombie motor?

@wutupclegg6618 5 ай бұрын

No, I have not. It is on my wishlist though.

@MX-CO 5 ай бұрын

We need more input, you got any new motors coming? I would think some brands would send you a free motor because it would be good advertising for them since you are the only one doing these detailed comparisons and shootouts! Or whats the return policy? Perhaps you buy test and return?

@wutupclegg6618 5 ай бұрын

I am working on a new machine that will compare motors a lot better. I reached out to some companies, but got the cold shoulder. However, I have been told they are noticing my testing. I purchased all the motors I tested. Actually, this gives a more honest test because I know it has not been tweeked just for testing. After I test the motors, I sell them. Because they are opened, I have to sell them for less money. I lose about $15 - $30 on each motor. However, I enjoy doing it.

@MX-CO 5 ай бұрын

@wutupclegg6618 I think if you keep asking you will get some yes's explain to them the attention your views are getting on KZfaq and I really believe you'll get some, even if it's just to test and give back but I think some companies would just send you one to keep.

@wutupclegg6618 26 күн бұрын

LOL... I'm working on it. Right now, I hear some companies are not happy about it.

@MX-CO 4 ай бұрын

I just bought a surpass V6 lite, and it came Timed, they put a slip in with it that says test voltage 7.22 Measured current 4.35 Motor speed (RPM) 21808 K/V value 3018 End bell timing +50.0 Hall sensor varience 0.4 Magnet Asymmetry 0.8 Is that about what you got?

@wutupclegg6618 4 ай бұрын

Very cool! Let us know how it works out for you.

@MX-CO Ай бұрын

Its fast @wutupclegg6618

@wutupclegg6618 26 күн бұрын

Did you win yet?

@MX-CO 5 ай бұрын

Im leaning towards a surpass, Im thinking about the lite version since my car is heavy, does that seem like a good idea?

@MX-CO 5 ай бұрын

What lipo batteries do you recommend for racing? Is 100c good enough. Someone near me has 2 used but new/ batteries for sale they are motiv 6000 and 6600 with 100c rating. I see some with 130c now days, it that a noticeable difference?

@wutupclegg6618 5 ай бұрын

What car do you have, and what type of surface?

@wutupclegg6618 5 ай бұрын

Motiv is good brand, but I lean away from used batteries. If they are stored wrong, charged wrong, over heated, or used a lot, then a new cheaper battery would perform better. Also 100c is fine , but make sure it is a high volt (HV) battery. You will notice a difference with those.

@MX-CO 4 ай бұрын

RC10B5M running on a hard clay track Whip it raceway in Reno Nevada)@wutupclegg6618

@MX-CO 4 ай бұрын

@wutupclegg6618 Sounds good thanks, does weight matter? What are people typically running for racing off road?

@kyle1108 9 ай бұрын

Just to be helpful in your testing and I am no way scrutinizing your work as they great videos. The Tunalyzer seems to have a fixed voltage of 7.4volts. The KV from Auto to Manual is not changing. Running Manual mode is just adding heat and unneeded RPM. KV is all you need x voltage (7.4). I guess if you don't like doing math you can run the Manual test. Keep testing those motors.

@wutupclegg6618 9 ай бұрын

You are 100% accurate. The reason I run the manual mode, is just to show RPM. Many racers out there, who are new to the hobby, understand RPM but not KV. I also really appreciate your complements on my videos.