Me too!

Lucy, I saw vid on CS vs MIS… Is there any ageism in field of MIS in hiring (similar to CS)? Is it very bad? What can you do to stay ahead of new tech??

I disagree. Cyber security experts get all the real tech. jobs now since they can disrupt, interfere and hack everybodys' personal systems and get away with it, irrespective of the laws and citizen rights. Of course, except if it is a toxic work environment that is in denial, then an IS professional is likely to be underpaid and wrecklessly taken advantage of.

I would argue it's the other way around. Cs is alot more flexible when it comes to jobs. Alot of people in management positions at these tech companies hold cs degrees. They're both good but cs is more flexible. Do a quick search for jobs for both degrees or do some research........ atleast in the U.S.

@@JustMamba In Australia, it comes down to "Mates" and elite suburbs. That's it. Nothing more - not how hard you've worked or merit etc. Also, from my experience just because people have degrees doesn't neccessarily mean they well intentioned either.

@@JustMamba In my view, IS is more flexible because overall business degrees are flexible more than any degree. With IS you can go in both tech and management. I disagree with you management positions thing, management positions are filled with business grads (IS). Product managers, Tech consultants, Systems managers have background in IS mostly.

@@JustMamba IS is more flexible, cmon now. HOWEVER, CS majors will have an advantage when going for more programming heavy jobs, obviously.

Here from Lucy’s channel! 👋😂

@@TechwithLucy hahaha unexpected! 🤣

Hello 👋 Great vid :)

🤨 could’ve taken community college classes with a free accuplacer exam to get you into the major you want

I’ll just go bank on one of those weird masters that combines robotics, computer, information, civil engineering, mechatronics and statistics into some kind of mashed potatoes.

How’s your journey going now?

So..what's going on these days🙂

how is it going now i was given information system too this year

Thanks 😍 I call it 'propagation station' because most of my plants start their life here (good light, close to the window) 🪴

I might go IS but at my school it’s not that technical 😢 so a lot of self study outside

@@takethepillingodwetrust1510 if its your dream to study it go for it! everyone is capable as long as they work hard and give their best to achieve their dreams :)

Thanks for sharing! 😊

Which uni are u studying at?

@@amalsoorya1175 I' m not from the US, Im from Portugal tho

How much did your uni expect you to know beforehand? I've never explored coding but would like to pursue information systems

Oh wow Kenny you're here! 😯 Thanks! 😊

Computer Science or Software Engineering :)

I bet it’s better than Java huh

@@hueyo5317 By far

Im black but i want to be a programmer 😢

@@hugodaniel8975 Being black doesnt mean you cant be a programmer? My classes are filled with people of all types of color and ethnic groups.

Have you graduated? What job did you get or looking to get with your degree? Also how did employers feel about your degree versus a CS degree? I would like to be a web developer w/o the stress that CS majors have. Ofc I plan to do side studies to compliment the degree though.

Yay that's amazing! I'm happy it's such a good fit for you 🎉😊

For startup companies, of course but for well established companies, you’re going to have to pay your dues.

MIS and IS are virtually the exact same degree. No difference whatsoever. Just dif colleges use different names

There's heaps of online tutorials for beginners - just go through a couple of them and you'll see if it's something you like. If you get the basics right you will feel more comfortable exploring further. I advise everyone who wants to study anything programming-related to learn basic coding before they go to uni (otherwise you might end up with big disappointment, lost time and money).

I'm glad the video was helpful! In my job I'd say you can really choose what direction you wanna go - either more on the solo path or more team-oriented. I've been working as an engineering manager for the last few years and that's very heavily team oriented. I still spend probably half of my time alone, working on strategy, technical spikes, visions, code reviews etc but definitely have to interact with the team a lot on a daily basis and spend a lot of time in meetings too. On the other hand, my friend with the same years of experience chose an Individual Contributor path and she basically works alone unless she needs help or is giving help to others. You can also become a freelancer and just talk to clients without a need for a team. Really, after CS, you can do whatever suits you in that regard 😊

Yes, just make sure to create couple of coding projects while you're studying and upload them to GitHub so that you get to display some additional experience related to programming :) it can be personal website, social media bots, any type of a tool that's useful for your other hobbies etc.

Did you do any internships ?

@@KaroCodes woww, ty, I'm happy IS is a good degree 😊

I'd suggest majoring in whatever is closer aligned to the career you want in the future and picking up a part-time job while studying. If you wanna be a software engineer or anything more specialised (data scientist, graphics engineer etc) CS is gonna be worth that time investment for the sake of deep understanding of the domain 😊

@@KaroCodes I'm Brazilian and at my university the bachelor's degree in information systems is 90% computer science and only 10% business. Do you think companies in Australia might not hire me because of the name of the degree? Since I'm going to learn almost everything that computer science students are going to. Here in Brazil I know that companies dont care if youre gradueted in computer science or information systems, people know that information systems is very similar to computer science and teach many technical things too (in databases information systems students see even more than computer science students for example), but I don't know how they see it outside Brazil.

It's difficult to say but I can share what I observed in tech product companies, software houses and FAANG (so mainly CS): - majority of all engineers are in their 20s ans 30s - there's a lot of people in their 40s, most managers fall in that age bracket - there's not many people in their 50s but that might be due to how young the industry is and that there's just not that many engineers that age OR that they are all already retired which is completely achievable with tech salaries - there's many more 50+ ppl in FAANG/Microsoft than anywhere else Hope that helps 🙏 you can check Lucy's channel for info about MIS :)

@@KaroCodes thank you, good stuff…

If you don't want to get discouraged too quickly: python If you want to get great foundations: C If you want to get into making webapps asap: JavaScript

@@KaroCodes okay...thank u very much ❤

@@KaroCodes You think that there is a point in learning C or C++ in the world where Rust exists?

@@robertnyc357 I believe so :) The truth is most of the currently existing highly performing applications are written in C. Thousands of libraries are written in C. Operating systems, microcontrollers even Bitcoin's blockchain - all C. I think everyone should be familiar with C, understand memory allocation, pointers etc and C is great to (be forced to) learn that 😅

@@KaroCodes I'm not a programmer, but I can say that I don't like that argument that something (i. e. programming language) is good because it is popular and common. In medieval, 100% of things were written in Latin but people decided that it is worth to switch to their countries languages. Microsoft already announced that they are starting to replace C and C++ with Rust in 2019: analyticsindiamag.com/why-microsoft-is-dumping-c-c-for-this-new-programming-language/ Rust does not allow to make most of errors related with pointers or memory allocation, so I think it is better to have certainity that one will not make a mistake than to learn how not to make or repair that mistake. A lot of already existing programs and libraries are not the advantage of a language, they are advantages of using a language. By the way, when I ask people about advantages of Java, they also give popularity as the biggest (or the only) advantage in 99% cases :) Best wishes.

100% for CS if you wanna be a data scientist :)

If you enjoy marketing then minoring in it might make a really unique and valuable combination of skills 😁 It would also be quite useful if you're planning to be a freelancer or start your own company 👌

Not anymore 😅 Australia since 2018! 🙃

Bachelor's definitely helps to get a job in some of the more conservative companies but the general trend right now is to remove education requirements altogether. So it's more about the side projects and experience than it is about a diploma.

Generally any technical subspecialty (probably excluding gamedev) would have jobs available on the whole spectrum from perfect work-life balance and demanding just enough to provide healthy challenge to "I have no personal life". It usually depends on the company (sometimes country) you are looking at. I'd say have a look at Glassdoor company reviews for companies that hire MIS specialists.

Yes

Thanks for sharing! Hopefully it can help others make their decision 🤞 For others reading this: it's worth talking to people from each degree at the uni you're planning to go to and get a sense for what you'd be happier with / what's more suitable for you.

Hmm I think this is not really that true. Most CS students didn't do as much coding as you think. They did a lot of advanced math and theoretical/algorithms that doesn't really have anything to do with coding. I guarantee you those CS students are better at coding because 1, they usually have better logic because of the intense math they did, and 2nd reason is because they practiced a lot more coding more to the side. Most of CS degree is just training the logic side of the brain rather than coding.

@@dodo5257-v3f here in Brazil, information systems students code more than computer science students in my uni. The bachelor in Information Systems is 90% the same as the computer science, the difference is that while computer science has a lot of physics and a few academic subjects, information systems focuses on the practice of coding in place.

I'm not sure what exactly are the requirements in your country but I also didn't study maths in high school and it wasn't a problem 😊 we had end-of-HS tests and I did the advanced maths one (i was preparing for it in my spare time by just solving problems from a few books). So hopefully that will be possible for you too! 😀

@@KaroCodes thanks for answering 😊 I am trying to seek admission in german universities. They don't have a specific criteria stating maths to be compulsory but i fear getting rejected just because of that . Because i have a year with me i want to be cautious about it.

@@tarang643 oh I see! Is there any chance you could talk to someone from the universities you are looking at to get more information and reassurance? They usually have some kind of open days when they answer questions from potential candidates:)

@@KaroCodes yes i have mailed the student services ... hoping to get quality replies soon. 🤞

@@tarang643 🤞🤞

Information system hands down. Usually Information systems is a concentration when getting a bachleors in business administration. M.i.S and C.I.S are both buisness administration degrees.

It depends on your career goals. Information Systems just focuses on computer/tech stuff but when you pursue business administration it will open many doors during specialization like Finance, Marketing or Supply Chain etc.

Hi Wallison, I'm not from US either, both Lucy and I are located in Australia :) Pick your degree by choosing what you want to do more - both degrees give excellent job opportunities!

lol i'm back and in my first year of uni studying IS

You might have some gaps that you need to cover before applying for master's (or do some more self-learning while doing masters - depends if you need to pass any entry exam). Best way to check is to see what your uni of choice covers for MIS and then see what the requirements are for CS and start filling the gaps in your spare time as soon as possible.

If you are sure you will be able to focus on both then yeah. There will probably be a lot of overlap anyway.

Yes.

With a computer science degree, you can practically do ANYTHING in this world where you can demonstrate an ability to do it. The major is rigorous and difficult and forces you to be creative and analytical. Therefore, if you could prove your ability to do so, you’d get hired on as a damn art director somewhere lol

No, you can't go in administration or banking they are totally different. For administration or banking, business/finance degree is required. MIS/IS is mix of tech and business but not CS.

@@bizzvid4204 the math skills and analytical stuff transfers over to banking. You can literally do anything with a computer science degree and yes administration as well. Any job you can do with a mis degree you can get with a cs degree but it's not always the same the other way.. You'll have to get some certificates or some projects to get into some of the software engineering jobs that a cs major can get.

@@JustMamba you said that backwards.You don’t have to get certifications with either degree.They are interchangeable degrees the only difference is CIS is a minor in business and Major in computer science.That’s basically what it is with less math than a traditional Computer science degree

Hey Areeb, why are you looking for data entry operator? It means you will waste your degree. With BB-IS you can become a project manager, IT specialist, systems manager, database administrator etc.

I have the same question

@@nathalielam3045 have you figured this out yet ?

@@armari_thegreat4694 yes

Sure just shoot me a message so I know it's you :)

There would probably be a lot of overlap so that you can get two degrees but not necessarily have to put twice the effort. I guess it depends why you'd like to do that? - It wouldn't really add anything to your CV, one of those degrees is enough and employers would look more favourably on more work experience than additional education. - If it's purely to learn more then I think one is enough and you can very easily learn everything from the other one in your spare time just from the internet.

thank you for the insight 🤍

This doesn't even begin to factor in the informal blacklist that the Australian information systems industry has in place limiting genuine growth and develop opportunities, subverting peoples' natural skill and ability. I'm totally disillusioned by the entire Australian IS industry: it is all about politics, not best practice. Furthermore, the Australian information systems education doesn't factor in the false attribution of supposed mental health problems particularly when the industry, organisations etc. are externally criticized. Leadership in the IS industry would rather attack and displace people with candid criticisms of their systems and persistently chase, harrass and hou d them all over the globe.

Hi John, I’m from Victoria, Australia. I work in Health sector and am thinking of studying Business information system to go into health ICT roles. What would you suggest?

@@asharajai2690 Hi Asha. Where are you from? The reason I ask is because, for me, Australia is a lost cause. I don't come to this judgement easy. I have spent twenty years objectively evaluating it. If you're from India, then I think you're better off studying what you want here and then returning to India AND making change there, just as the Chinese have done with their country. Why not? But do it to a world standard, like Singapore has done. The change can be as simple as advocating for less corruption. I admire Singapore for its genuine progress with respect to its gradual metro speed rail network. To me, that is par excellence and how professional projects should be done. Similarly, I admire China for it's high speed rail infrastructure. These are large scale engineering projects that integrate state of the art technical solutions with sophistication that do not overlook minute details. In Victoria, the level-crossing rail upgrades might seemingly be state of the art, but they do not factor in appropriate shade for outside seating. They look bland. The language they use to describe an exit is "Way out", not "Exit". They place paths for blind people over covers. They have had to redo some bus stops. Is that what you would deem world class? Several of them are graffitied and already filthy...so the people don't value it. This conveys critical messages to me, that it's a rush job, with budgetary constraints or a lack of proper project management champion to steer the projects to completion. That the people don't care for it. All learnt from my IS degree, but failure to adequately implement it here for the right value. Besides, I wouldn't commit to a job or project that changes halfway through - I see that as political and undermining and I'm not interested in putting my name to being undermined. My name is my brand, and, contrary to popular belief, there are always two brands in any employer/employee relationship.

Seems to me like something between/covering both IS and CS.