love it

What do you think about C now ? Is knowing it let you ez understand High Level Programming Languages

@@c28ccd0eHe mostly likely retired and dont have to think about programming.

@@PO-nb8qc true

They were inspired by C

Yes that's right!!, from my experience in engineering college you learn C first, then everything becomes easier as well. Especially c++ and Python, they're a lot easier to understand after knowing C! :) it will be a great journey let's cheer up!!

Happens also to me

Exactly, C is the best abstraction of the machine.

I learned Pascal first, and it made C a lot more digestible

Can you kindly tell us more about your story? What factory did you have, and how did you come across this book?

Chrtli

Please elaborate on your story! We are all very curious

NetNavi Leaving a comment on the thread just in case he answers ;)

interested to hear more!

Pedro Arroyo We must remember his contribution every time we produce new software and find a solution to a computing problem 🤝

Pedro Arroyo We must remember his contribution every time we produce new software and find a solution to a computing problem 🤝

Right on...i totally agree!

I learned C from the ANSI version of that book.

Indeed sir. True heroes do not blow their own trumpets. Ritchie, Thompson and he are the best.

No I found that to be an interesting read. Reminds me of myself years ago, but I stopped messing around years ago and I was getting decent at the little things in many languages. I could have been where you are. I am starting to miss messing with computers.

Inspiring, thanks!

No don't be sorry. That's an amazing story. Thanks for sharing it with us.

That's funny. Around the same time I was probably reading C++ for dummies and didn't get very far. I didn't end up doing much programming in my career, but recently I've been looking back at C, which I worked with some in school.

C for Dummies was my first programming book - I can highly recommend it for beginners!

They always struck me as rather odd birds. I grew up in the town next door to Bell Labs. So we'd see them. I've even worked on the campus. Got to see the guy that walks backwards. There was another guy there that just made paper airplanes all the time. Dennis wasn't working at the Labs by then but I'd see him around and he looked like a space case.

SecularDogma tf are u talking about. there's more technological innovation now more than ever

@@sereysothe.a it is a common belief in times of great advancement that many think everything has been discovered. Happened the turn of the 20th century too. You know, the Age of Steam. The Titanic sinking brought a lot of folks back to reality. Turns out we weren't quite the masters of time and space that we thought we were.

Well those who valued complexity and "feature completeness" more did also try. So I guess it is not an accedent that it was those who valued simplicity layed the base, the other approaches simply failed (and had to fail).

Someday we will cherish innovators over industrialists.

Actually you cannot compare both, since they worked at very different worlds. The fact that they died around the same time doesn’t mean that you have to compare them.

I’m pretty sure without Steve Jobs, we would not even be watching this video rn

@@tekashisun585 why? Ive owned computers since 1981 and never owned an apple. They didnt create the internet nor the gui. PARC invented ethernet, the gui, the mouse, laser printing. DARPA created the internet. So why exactly would we have needed apple?

@@tekashisun585 tell me more

A Cat -- Paul E. Curuzzi (IIRC)

A Cat He was well-known back in the 1980's, in the computer lab at my school...

Dennis Ritchie is a LEGEND !

If I went to the grocery store I could run into Dennis Ritchie occasionally. It was right down the street from the office building where he worked. He was a pretty nondescript kind of a guy that no one paid any attention to. He always struck me as looking a bit preoccupied though.

@@1pcfred where did you live?

Wow how I wish i could get to know you sir. I have a project am on

Damn. Peter Madams sounds like a chill guy

Jason Doe Great memories I have with that book, trying to bit shift values in the bus people were looking really strange at me while I was holding the book and was scribbling in binary like a crazy person on the notebook... Don't think they even thought it's about Computer Science. Just wanted to share my story since I love your comment.

Josh Barrett I agree that Plan 9 seems incredibly cool! (...not to mention its beyond-awesome mascot bunny xD ) Many features of Linux (my everyday OS) such as the /proc kernel interface do indeed trace their ancestry to Plan 9 design ideas. Sadly I haven't ever used Plan 9 itself - I should probably fix that omission!

Josh Barrett yes: better have some more weekends; it took me 1 week to get the networking going in VirtualBox, even posted to the mailing list and the headache is well known that from update to update some functionalities are broken with various drivers from virtualization technologies but all in all, it's a great approach I also found interesting built-in UTF-8 support... was weird to see strange characters on my screen when I mistakenly pressed some keys

Alexandru Gheorghe Yeah, the networking support in VBox is pretty terrible in the official release. Some fan supported ones have better support. Kind of ironic for a distributed system. Fun fact: UTF-8 was invented for plan 9 by Ken Thompson, who described it to Rob Pike using the back of a paper napkin. Some more of the history is actually in a video on this channel.

+Alexandru Gheorghe About bit banging and exotic architectures, I am currently doing a little 8 bit microcontroller driven home project. You can't even begin to appreciate what C is until you see just how much you can squeeze out of it. You're so close to the bare metal that you can visualize the flip-flops of the register setting while you type _DDRD &= ~(1

Wicked Mouse Kids these days be like C hashtag

Ramses De Vuyst *C Octothorpe.

Ramses De Vuyst It is not a hashtag. It is just C hash. If the hash was used to tag something then it would be a 'hashtag'.

32lizOtuseM It's actually "C Sharp" B)

Wicked Mouse Yes, but Ramses De Vuyst was joking and he was aware that 'C hashtag' was not the actual name. I was talking more about the individual name of the symbol. Some people call it 'number sign' and 'pound sign' too.

lol same

John von Horn JvH, I am gonna so steal this. Brilliant!! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.

pspicer777e

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can you help me , please in c++

class Knowledge; // fwd decl'n class HardWork; // " " class Help { friend Knowledge *books (const Library, const Internet); friend HardWork *woodShed (const Study, const Time); }

i just bought this book by K&R, but i just noticed after ordering that its 1st edition. do you think i could still get use out of the 1st edition over the 2nd?

@scowell You might wanna take some of those parameters in by reference.

"Natural language processing"?

Settle down; that is a stretch. Do much assembly work?

Astronomy night was a thing at the Labs. They'd get out on the front lawn with their telescopes and stare into the night sky. That and they had a model airplane club too.

+Jason Bell C begat so many other languages. C++, Objective-C, Java, C#, JavaScript. All of them at a very basic level can run the most rudimentary C commands since there was no need to reinvent the wheel. int x = 3; Then you get to things like PHP and PowerShell, neither are as close to C as the previous languages I mentioned, but they start looking like C when it makes logical sense such as blocks of code that have to run together after a decision is made or in a loop.

+stonent Java...(running to the bathroom to throw up...)

The main thing I dislike about Java is the 80 billion versions of it that are never the right one for what you're trying to do. At least with C# you're covered with just have a recent .NET framework.

nice photo :D

keep talking heads out of this!!

Try lazarus. It's great.

Yes 16c

Turbo C. I have many great memories of the time I was using it. I learned a lot, and had a lot of fun doing it.

Wow! Cool wish to meet you and learn from you

+Josh Barrett lol I love you're using a glider from Conway's life "game" for your avatar. I wrote my own programs that simulated that :)

This book was a required text in one of my classes just last semester and I'm not even in CS.

MrDavibu Also the inventor of C, UNIX and a bunch of other stuff.

The inventor "hello, world ". Just nitpicking

#include int main(void) { char word[11] = {'h' , 'e' ,'l' ,'l' ,'o' ,'\t' ,'w' , 'o' ,'r' ,'l' , 'd'}; for(int i = 0 ; i < 12 ; i++) { printf("%c " , word[i]); } return 0; } Im not nit picking at all

@@armincal9834 you dont need a for loop to print a string you do that in arrays

@@obidahasdia4095 in C, strings are arrays of chars :) you can of cours use printf("%s", arr) but even when you do that, that's what happens under the hood :)

You make a simplified C compiler in asm, use the simplified C language to make a full-featured C compiler, then use that one to compile itself

Trusting trust

@DFS54 I'm sure you could do that yourself rather quickly, interpreters are much easier than compilers.

A more efficient approach is to use any existing implementation of a C compiler to "cross-compile", producing binary code for a specific platform other than the one running the compiler (aka the "development platform"). Then while debugging the cross-compiler (using mostly the cross-compiler's own source code) one just needs a way to copy and execute the binary code. This can even be done before the new platform hardware exists, using a simulation of the proposed new computer architecture that runs on the development platform.

@@antoniopoianella9636 So, in the beginning you have to use assembly language?

TheNefari I think computerphile covered it in an earlier video but i've never really understood it

The idea is that there is a way to compile C code into assembly code. They could try to write that algorithm in assembly code, but the algorithm is so complicated that it is very difficult to write in assembly directly. So instead they write the algorithm in C. Once they have that down, they then compile that program to assembly by hand using the same compiler algorithm. And now they have a compiler written in assembly which can convert future C code into assembly. They could have also written the compiler in B or w/e other high level language and use an already existing compiler for that to generate the assembly code.

Alex Quintero >So instead they write the algorithm in C. Once they have that down, they then compile that program to assembly by hand using the same compiler algorithm. Wait, could you elaborate a bit? So you're saying cc must be first manually translated to assembly using cc itself, which then carries its own. I don't understand how it's easier to first write the compiler in C.

TheNefari 1. Write your nice compiler in the language you're developing. 2. Write a quick and dirty compiler in some other language. 3. Use the quick and dirty compiler to compile the nice one. 4. Use the nice compiler from now on. The point in the development of a programming language where you can use the language to write a compiler for itself is called the break-even point. This is, obviously, not applicable for interpreted languages.

Tamaki Imouto If you have an algorithm, say a sorting routine, you write it once in C, that C code is portable, it's just text. It can be compiled with a compiler for X86, and will work on X86 arch, it can be compiled with a compiler for MIPS, and run on MIPS, it can be compiled with a compiler for ARM, and run on ARM, etc. The reason to use C is that the inputs are common (you write C), but the output is machine specific (binary, made for that processor). It's MUCH easier to write an algorithm (any algorithm) in C than it is to write it directly in assembly (assembly can be thought of as human readable machine code - there's much more to it of course, but it's an easy and efficient way to think of it), so obviously people were prefer to write algorithms in C. So there's an obvious advantage for writing an algorithm in a higher level language such as C, the algorithm will be less error prone and take less time to debug and write. The disadvantage to using a higher level language is that most run on top of an interpreter, they aren't direct binary code which executes in HW...the interpreter takes time to run, which inherently makes higher level languages slow. C was one of the first high level languages to compile directly to binary (binary and assembly are specific to a processor architecture). I guess you can simplify the entire issue as follows: - High level languages write quickly (easy to debug, easy to write) and portable, but are also slow - Assembly is not portable (x86 assembly will not work on a MIPS processor), is VERY slow to write, but it's very quick once it's written. So with C you have the writing efficiency of a high level language along with the portability but since it compiles directly to binary it has the efficiency of a low level language. Does that answer your question?

Scotty Catman Same here. They must have sold millions of it. :)

Scotty Catman 1 foot, take that. Edit: 1978 edition

+Sklin pic or it didn't happen

+Scotty Catman got the 1978 edition here :)

I just realized the book is twice as old as me.

Don't wait. Start now.

Seriously, there's no reason to wait at all. Go for it!

English does not seem like one of those.

All you'd do in college is learn math. Haha so start learning this stuff on your own. It will help you!

They'll probably try to force feed you Java. Don't rely on being taught a language; it's usually done badly, and slowed down for the people who'll never get it anyway. Computer programming is for people who can teach themselves.

People usually like to start indexing things at 1 but when did they celebrate the start of the 21st century?

Its a off-set from the first element. First element -> 1 + [0] = 1

jsprite123 PL/1 had them too, if I remember correctly (haven't used it since the 90s)

The late 60s was the best age. So many things going on, including moon landings and the first message ever sent on the internet (1969) and, of course, the development of C language.

+lnpilot Lots of kids these days saying things like "Hurr durr, why would I ever write in C?". Yes, you go over there and play with your snake language. The grown ups have important software engineering to do, for projects that Actually Matter.

Godfrey Poon Perfectly said! :) Very few things (if any) that matter are written in one of these "toy languages". Real men code on C! :) I've written a large application (3d modeling 3D animation, rendering / CAD /CAM) software in C and it's orders of magnitude faster and more efficient than the competitors...

+Godfrey Poon What kids are you talking of?

I feel like apart from shells (and possibly frontent web cause you don't get much of a choice there) , anything higher level than C was a huge waste of my time. C actually simplifies a lot of stuff. C++ complicates and for what's mostly FUD. Like those pointers and resource ownership are so scary, and you need several huge, compile-time-hogging template libraries to protect yourself from all that. They aren't, and you don't. And without the baggage that is C++ standard libs, C compiles so fast a compile+run cycle is often much faster than a run cycle of a modern scripting language.

+ThorX89 Amen to that. Perfectly said!

Lol

and as a desktop OS. :)

pcuser80 real men use linux!

KoF Girls like Tux too

pcuser80 Gentoo!

What do you think of Linux Mint?

Rob Mckennie in case of fire, 1) git add . 2) git commit 3) git push 4) leave building

git commit -m"the building is on fire"

Henrix98 Assembly is still used in some industries. And yes, it's still great.

Henrix98 Loved doing assembly on my Commodore 64. Programming in C is a close second.

Henrix98 MOV!

Henrix98 Embedded Assembly in C FTW!!

+Anton Adelson +1

Except this language and person exists, and isn't a conglomerate of numerous story-tellers down the years.

I'll investigate this tomorrow, sorry in the meantime

Sean Riley I see there's a CC option now! Thanks so much!

you're welcome - in fact I went through and edited it so instead of 'Dennis Ritchie' being 'Dentistry Cheese' it works properly!

+Sean Riley rofl

The irony of that question is that the way you tell the command line to compile a c program file into a.out is to say “cc filename.c”.😏

The curious is that my name is almost the same as yours but in portuguese :D

it's mostly used for system's programming now. Linux, Windows, Mac, etc. the Linux kernels main language is C

Michalis Vardoulakis use C# imo...

+Noor Khan Neglect ye not Embedded Programming... the Internet Of Things. Learn ye LWIP! C is alive and well inside everything.

+scowell Video games also (Playstation, etc). Although mostly C++ with a smattering of assembly.

RemusKingOfRome5 you mean on object oriented C with a graphics library and gpu interface? Sounds like C++ with OpenGL

Audio Stratus's Music Channel no, think that everything in c is object and context programming blows my mind.

***** Thanks, I'll check out Go. My ultimate tool is something that doesn't need too much programming, so any gamer (non programmer) can quickly and easy make games. probably all menu driven. Mount & Blade2 Bannerlords will apparently be very easy to Mod, i'll check thatout when released.

I thought G was a scripting language for milling machines and 3D printers.

Thats what Rust tried to be...

RE:Think C for software. Java for hardware.

RE:Think C++ is the classic starting language, C# or Java are much easier to understand but stick close enough to C++. Python is the new king of starting languages. It is very easy, and hides a lot of stuff you should not be worried about at the begging. But jumping from Python to C/C++ is a big jump to make.

RE:Think I would not start with python, because you will probably forget necessary things like the semicolons in C, if you want to learn that. It will be easier to not place semicolons, if you want to learn python.

THE jump to c++ might not matter if you understand how it works. I started with Python though, but your interest will decide.

yurishosan The problem with Python, it's that it's too slow..