Cone Area and Port Area/Net Volume Relation!

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M.B. Enclosures

M.B. Enclosures

3 жыл бұрын

Why cone area is king. The relationship between cone area and port volume to port area. The larger the cone the larger the enclosure and thusly the need for a larger port.

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@omartalavera6974
@omartalavera6974 11 ай бұрын
you should have every customer send you a demo video of every box so we can see the final look /setup & demo. empty boxes are great but boxes with subs in them performing to show the audience what we all have been trying to imagen. great boxes great work quality and aesthetics!
@M.B.Enclosures
@M.B.Enclosures 11 ай бұрын
You can’t make customers send demo, all my customers on my channel still, they are the subscribers. If the boxes didn’t perform it would be said by now.
@JohnG1000
@JohnG1000 3 жыл бұрын
Bro ! Put a battery in that smoke alarm . Those chirps won't let you sleep right at night 😴
@danialjfri2816
@danialjfri2816 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah, I thought its mine
@devilmademedoit77
@devilmademedoit77 3 жыл бұрын
Always great info. School in session, listen up!
@bassjasinski
@bassjasinski 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of port area. Have you designed any passive radiator boxes and/or discussed the pros/cons of passive radiators?
@kileymiller1784
@kileymiller1784 3 жыл бұрын
Love these vids!!
@dedricturner8879
@dedricturner8879 2 жыл бұрын
'Nothin but game!! I will support you till I die!!'
@snhongo1
@snhongo1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@thefri13100
@thefri13100 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for my box from you.
@terik555
@terik555 2 жыл бұрын
great explanation....ty
@JohnG1000
@JohnG1000 3 жыл бұрын
Good info 👨🏻‍🏫👨🏻‍💻👨🏻‍🎓
@L3NN0XX
@L3NN0XX 2 жыл бұрын
But how do know if you have enough Port area and volume is there a rule of thumb like a recommendated value for ratio of cone area to port area and one for port area to box volume I have a single 15" (1kw)in a 120L net (5,65cft) Box that has two 11,7cm (4,6") aeroports but I think the ports are a bit small considering the box size but if i made the ports bigger I think the sub would unload faster (with the current setup it only unloads below tuning when turning it 3/4 up) Is my box to big or are the ports to small
@shaunjay6040
@shaunjay6040 Жыл бұрын
I’m almost certain that the box I have for my subs is way too big looking at that dual 12’s enclosure. I’ll be in contact with you soon though.
@georgem6359
@georgem6359 11 ай бұрын
I like all of the videos from you which I have watched so far. I got a couple of questions 1-What is better - tune port to higher frequency or to a lower one than the fs? 2-if able to tune below the fs, how much lower, 5,10 or 15hz lower than fs? Keep up the amazing box building! Thanks.
@phatboii169
@phatboii169 2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed immediately
@davidmontgomery2793
@davidmontgomery2793 3 жыл бұрын
Once I save enough money I would love to have you build me a enclosure for my skar sdr15s
@jasonvaughn3736
@jasonvaughn3736 2 жыл бұрын
I got a sundown 3000 d to power a 8 inch truck box do i need 4 regular subs or 4 4 kicker l7 s or just two kicker l7 box to get maximum performance from one of your boxes and that amp
@krazydogg7685
@krazydogg7685 2 жыл бұрын
How do you have experience with different size ports cuz I usually do 11.5 to 12 per foot on the port but you're doing 16 I'm not chasing numbers I wanted to have a good bandwidth for daily still be loud tnx what do you recommend I got one sundown zv3 18 they also recommend for net on their web page with 64 square inches of Port area but four seems pretty small I wanted to do six I'm putting 3K to it
@bryanroupe8646
@bryanroupe8646 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man what is the mathematical equation for port tuning, i.e., HZ? Just a few months ago i did the math on a enclosure but all i seem to find now is a bunch of stuff i dont understand. My math verified what the previous owner stated so it much have been correct but im at a loss.
@distinctiveone70distinctiv28
@distinctiveone70distinctiv28 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always MB. I'm curious about your thoughts and experiences with passive radiators, if any. Much respect.
@MR.TORRES_GARAGE
@MR.TORRES_GARAGE 2 жыл бұрын
How much do you boxes cost?
@94chevyryder
@94chevyryder 9 ай бұрын
Great video you should teach car audio classes 101 😂
@johnsutton946
@johnsutton946 3 ай бұрын
I had 3 MMat dreadnought 12s in a 4th and now I got 1 pioneer premier spl 15 in a slot port killing the 3 12s
@D1aNdOnLyNiCkx3
@D1aNdOnLyNiCkx3 Жыл бұрын
@mbenclosures hey man love your stuff just wana learn how to build my own boxes i deff wana try to make it as light as i can got confused on which is the lightest in your other video i believe u said it was between the vaneer birch and the maple? but just wana have something that can slap most, trying to figure port length is killing me could i get away with a 3 cube box with 48 inches of port for two ct sounds meso 12s, is 48 not enough sound i do say 54? both tuned say 33hz or mayb as high as 35 i wana try to keep the box as light and small as possible (i know bad thing if i wana hit hard with 2 12s) going in a genesis g80 sport
@dannycurryii4455
@dannycurryii4455 3 жыл бұрын
Professor MB
@danialjfri2816
@danialjfri2816 3 жыл бұрын
He is the best! I love to listen to his wisdom
@womackbug
@womackbug 3 жыл бұрын
What is the dimensions of the 2 12in box
@wrobinson6828
@wrobinson6828 2 жыл бұрын
88 ford mustang convertible can a box be made to fit by you the sub is a 12inch ds18 exl xxb
@SleepyBoiii
@SleepyBoiii 2 жыл бұрын
I have 4 15s skar vxfs & the builder made the port 6x21.. 126. Skar specs is 47.25 each sub.. so total of 189.
@ALEX-xd7ko
@ALEX-xd7ko 2 жыл бұрын
Port area is about net volue not necessarily apeaker size. Skar typical recommends 12-16' of port area per a qft of air space . I like to stay 16'-20' with larger subs that can support it .
@bradalden8347
@bradalden8347 3 жыл бұрын
Your boxes look top notch. But I like the sound of a sealed box.
@DiscoDub74
@DiscoDub74 3 жыл бұрын
I think that is my sealed box👍🏾
@christianlewis5911
@christianlewis5911 3 жыл бұрын
Do you ship any builds
@charliesmith2432
@charliesmith2432 3 жыл бұрын
What’s happening I’m excited knowledge and box day
@bassin_uce3732
@bassin_uce3732 3 жыл бұрын
What port area should I use for 2 resillent sounds platinum 18s in 12-14 cu ft box tuned to 33hz? I got 16 cuin in my 11cuft box but I'm stuck @150.4 @39 hz. I'm chasing numbers right now any help or design is appreciated. Thanks nice vids man 😎💪🏽💯
@GTILOUD
@GTILOUD Жыл бұрын
Tuned low and 13.5 to 14
@wilsonkingori3651
@wilsonkingori3651 2 жыл бұрын
Correct
@terik555
@terik555 2 жыл бұрын
would making a port say.....going from 3 inches at the start to 4 inches incrementally to the end make any sense at all?
@GTILOUD
@GTILOUD Жыл бұрын
No
@michaelnormanwilson
@michaelnormanwilson 3 жыл бұрын
Got two Toro fierce 8 combo with the mr3 amp going on a squarebody suburban. What design is recommended? Ported or sealed. Music preferences: old school rock, country and old school hip hop.
@abelscaliber7969
@abelscaliber7969 2 жыл бұрын
Ported at 33hz 🤣
@scottbe1
@scottbe1 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on what u listen to more of country doesn’t sound as good ported as sealed but hip hop doesn’t sound as good sealed as it would ported
@qf76mnd15
@qf76mnd15 Жыл бұрын
Put a damn battery in alarm, c'mon man
@ronniemceachern2476
@ronniemceachern2476 2 жыл бұрын
I need a custom box built 430 Hertz pushing two skar 12
@Adetokunbo03
@Adetokunbo03 3 жыл бұрын
Do you do sealed boxes
@M.B.Enclosures
@M.B.Enclosures 3 жыл бұрын
Yes...text 404 694 4818
@JrGarcia-dn6mp
@JrGarcia-dn6mp 2 жыл бұрын
That's what my 13w7ae needs.. lee stereo in visalia made me a box that only goes down 42hz.. smh ..
@damnitdang
@damnitdang Жыл бұрын
Lol they must've put that in a prefab with a beauty panel over
@anonymousltx48
@anonymousltx48 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone here has owned a pair of ampere audio 2.5 aa 8" subwoofers and have hit lows with a correctly tuned box?
@abdomination
@abdomination 3 жыл бұрын
I just sent mine back to down4sound. Something happened to the one I was using. I seen videos on here of guys having builds and it hit good lows. Mine was hitting good lows too and then it developed a rattle that I couldn't diagnose except as coil rub with too much excursion. So I said fuck it. Didn't have a good box anyway. Waiting for my store credit and am going to do a shallow sub build for my Convertible.
@timothyblaze4556
@timothyblaze4556 3 жыл бұрын
Please help!!!!! I had a box designed by CAR AUDIO FABRICATION.... I built the box sounds good, but what DB should two 10 inch p3s be? I have a rockford fosgate r2 1200.1 watt amp running these two at 1 ohm final... I just feel like they should be a little louder then what they are... I did buy a meter and the meter was saying 109 Db... is that about right or should it be louder? Just wanted to ask the king in car audio... thanks buddy I appreciate it..
@Ronco160
@Ronco160 3 жыл бұрын
What brand is ur meter?
@timothyblaze4556
@timothyblaze4556 3 жыл бұрын
It's the BAFX3370 on amazon.. its blue If that helps lol I really appreciate it
@wirebender
@wirebender 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried changing the direction of the enclosure? Most cars, having the subs face the trunk lid makes it louder. Or all the way back of the car/trunk with subs facing forward.
@AlienRiff
@AlienRiff 3 жыл бұрын
Honest option needed. One L5 12 in 2feet sealed or 2 L5 12’s in one foot sealed each. Running of same amount of power.
@abelscaliber7969
@abelscaliber7969 2 жыл бұрын
Why? You could just run 1 ported at 2.5 If you really want sealed you would be better off with 2 1cu ft sealed You would only gain a db or so down low in 2cu ft vs 1
@AlienRiff
@AlienRiff 2 жыл бұрын
@@abelscaliber7969 I’ve had a L5 in a smaller box before and ultimately took made a 2 foot box for it. I cannot believe how much lower and flatter the response was in the new box. It allowed me to integrate it into my sound system very nicely. I’ve had ported and they are just a different animal. I think I made the right choice given I didn’t have to buy anything . For me it’s not only the amount of bass but the band of it and how flat it is. I might build another box and try it with two 12’s and see.
@AlienRiff
@AlienRiff 2 жыл бұрын
I would even go with 2 with 2ft each. It’s a nice loud flat sound. A deep and tight. But that is some money.
@gbeeets
@gbeeets 3 жыл бұрын
Great info as always. I have a L7 15 kicker..im making an enclosure @ 5.5 cubes... Port area 82.5....16.5 x 5 tuned @ 33...using the kicker amp 1200.1 with the sub at 2 ohms. Would appreciate some feedback from the BOX MASTER.
@M.B.Enclosures
@M.B.Enclosures 3 жыл бұрын
Good design
@pakmanmoore4255
@pakmanmoore4255 2 жыл бұрын
@@M.B.Enclosures how much would you charge me for a design like that I have one 15inch ds18 hooligan and I'm putting in a 2002 Buick century limited I want a black ported box that can take a beating
@martinluthierking
@martinluthierking 2 жыл бұрын
@@pakmanmoore4255 don’t quote me on this but I believe his boxes are about $450 without shipping
@jeremybeck2059
@jeremybeck2059 Жыл бұрын
Any interest in doing a design for me
@aioversightcommittee4135
@aioversightcommittee4135 2 жыл бұрын
🤟🏻
@bailey2517
@bailey2517 Жыл бұрын
What's the best box volume and port area for a Skar VXF 15 if it's tuned to 28hz?
@techwood262
@techwood262 Жыл бұрын
I got vxf 12 your lows hitting ?
@bailey2517
@bailey2517 Жыл бұрын
@@techwood262 I haven't installed it or built the box yet. Been super busy with work and trying to install my door speakers first lol. With sound deadening and new wires, so it's a pain in the ass. But I'm on the last door and then I'm gonna start on the amps and building the sub box.
@bailey2517
@bailey2517 Жыл бұрын
@@techwood262 but I have a home theatre 6.5" sub in my 2003 Honda CR-V as a temporary sub, and even it hits lows well. Tuned to 32hz. It sounds incredible, so I can't wait to hear a damn 15 lmao.
@bailey2517
@bailey2517 Жыл бұрын
@@techwood262 if you really want good lows though, make SURE you have a vehicle where the cabin resonates with low notes. My previous vehicle was a little Chevy s-10, and the cabin resonates heavily at 33hz, but then dropped off by literally like 15db by the time it got down to 28hz, so everything below ~30hz was unlistenable, but just a little bit higher and it was loud AF on a single 12. My Honda CR-V is a larger cabin, so it resonates at like the mid 20s, and it's PERFECT I'm so hyped.
@techwood262
@techwood262 Жыл бұрын
@@bailey2517 Awh ok I had 2 but the people I went with built me one of the shittiest boxes of all time they tried to build everything to spec and it came out terrible lol so one needed up tearing apart from pressure because the wood wasn’t sturdy enough with the nails I have to play my music on low untill I get the other box I’m just glad it’s not completely ruined lol.
@joeyfix-it1916
@joeyfix-it1916 10 ай бұрын
It's that time............. to change your smoke alarm battery. It's sooooo loud over my phone speaker I thought my smoke alarm battery was bad. Also, your voice is low with some videos on my phone. Maybe need a wireless microphone so we can hear you loud and clear and get your words through our thick heads. I like your vids though. I've been in car audio on and off since the 80s. I have built boxes for people in the past. Now just build them for me.......
@ketchumthekid3880
@ketchumthekid3880 7 ай бұрын
That first box comes out to 19.2 sq,ft per cu,ft. If that box 2.5 sq.ft
@neihausinthethreehaus
@neihausinthethreehaus Жыл бұрын
14.3 per on the 5.4 box if actually 5.4 cubes no? 77.62 ÷ 5.4 no? 15.5 with sub displacement no? Go bigger
@jkstdstang
@jkstdstang 3 жыл бұрын
Do you offer box designs if I wanna build my own?
@abdomination
@abdomination 3 жыл бұрын
If he doesn't Charcoal Monkey does.
@UserKadosh
@UserKadosh 11 ай бұрын
I can design for you if you want, i design and build my own enclosures i have alot of experience let me know if you need any enclosure design, free of charge for fellow bassheads
@MrHunter803
@MrHunter803 6 ай бұрын
​@@UserKadosh I would love some design help.
@UserKadosh
@UserKadosh 5 ай бұрын
Sure what do you need help with?@@MrHunter803
@JWarrenPhilly
@JWarrenPhilly 2 жыл бұрын
The rule of 16 is bogus. You don't just take a box and slap a rule based on it's size. The driver is the determining factor. A Kicker Comp doesn't need near the same port atea as a RF Power series woofer of the same size. The excursion of the driver is the determining factor. The driver determines everything. Size of the box, needed port area and so on. When cookie cutter math is used, you end up disappointed in the size and or performance of the system. It is easily modeled in programs like Bassbox Pro. Also, building giant boxes makes it louder argument is also false. It makes it's peaks higher while diminishing overall performance over the subsonic spectrum. That's why you need to know what you are replicating first, then model driver and enclosure combinations to meet those needs. The next time you are surprised that a song that didn't seem to beat for you slams in another's system, you will find you are the victim of peaky enclosure design. That is why people who knock JL don't win SQ awards. If you like just being loud, go for whatever works. Math is your friend in either way and the stupid cookie cutter principal is still the wrong way to approach your build.
@manitobamanitoba1796
@manitobamanitoba1796 Жыл бұрын
Since you seem to know a lot about this stuff how much Port area do two Sundown x18 need in a 14- cubic foot box because I've heard a few different things and I'm curious to what you say is the correct Port area for that box with those two subs
@JWarrenPhilly
@JWarrenPhilly Жыл бұрын
@@manitobamanitoba1796 Need a few more details. What is the vehicle? What orientation will the subs be (walled off or up-firing as well as the port.) What is the target goal (really loud or really flat response?) Personally, I would avoid 18's due to the amount of enclosure they typically need to perform well at any level. I stick with more motors and smaller drivers which can achieve both output and fidelity for music.
@michelbergeron3596
@michelbergeron3596 2 жыл бұрын
If you could build me a ported box for my two P3 12 inch I will be willing to show everyone and also make a review video on it I go to a lot of competitions also and i know i would win if you made the box i watch a lot of your video you know your stuff.
@marcmachain8286
@marcmachain8286 3 жыл бұрын
It comes out to 13.8 inches per cube
@marcmachain8286
@marcmachain8286 3 жыл бұрын
For the box with dual 12's
@damnitdang
@damnitdang Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I got the same for the 5.7cf net 2-12" box.
@Carl_Jr
@Carl_Jr 3 жыл бұрын
Change the battery in your damn smoke alarm. That shit is annoying. LoL
@lakestatebullies7391
@lakestatebullies7391 Жыл бұрын
Smoke alarm 😂
@marcmachain8286
@marcmachain8286 3 жыл бұрын
That is 16.8 inches per cube
@marcmachain8286
@marcmachain8286 3 жыл бұрын
For the box with dual 15's
@adamblacketter
@adamblacketter 2 жыл бұрын
Why do 99% of all box builders use the 16” per cube rule?
@Turtle2117x
@Turtle2117x 10 күн бұрын
2x15 7cu ft 16sq in per cu 2x 12 5.7cu ft 13.6 sq in per cu 1x12 high output 2,5 u ft 19.2 sq in per cu Probably all tuned 2 33Hz
@ronniemceachern2476
@ronniemceachern2476 2 жыл бұрын
I need this guy number ASAP
@albertpung7250
@albertpung7250 3 жыл бұрын
Any good programs out?
@kkpage01100
@kkpage01100 3 жыл бұрын
Subbox pro works just gotta figure ur numbers out if u wanna add a double baffle n stuff like that but takes time to learn all that its worth it tho💯💯 the software easy to use
@KnowName33
@KnowName33 3 жыл бұрын
I'd hate to be stuck behind this guy at the Walmart exchange counter
@stevofla239
@stevofla239 3 жыл бұрын
Why
@ponylifestyle5995
@ponylifestyle5995 Жыл бұрын
You need a microphone 🎙️ it’s hard to hear you🙃
@fernandogonzalez-qh1kp
@fernandogonzalez-qh1kp 2 жыл бұрын
cone area its the king but net volume its the enemy :)
@lorenzomcpherson931
@lorenzomcpherson931 3 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to make me a custom box and ship to me
@M.B.Enclosures
@M.B.Enclosures 3 жыл бұрын
That what I do...text me at 404 694 4818
@norbertovargas1931
@norbertovargas1931 3 жыл бұрын
@@M.B.Enclosures how do you get the measurements to fit every specific car to get a good fit
@M.B.Enclosures
@M.B.Enclosures 3 жыл бұрын
@@norbertovargas1931 from the customer
@norbertovargas1931
@norbertovargas1931 3 жыл бұрын
@@M.B.Enclosures you sold me on the kickers ql7 they sound awesome in your enclosure should I do 1 12 or 2 10s and and we'd which box would take up more room
@M.B.Enclosures
@M.B.Enclosures 3 жыл бұрын
@@norbertovargas1931 text me at 404 694 4818 to order a box
@ALEX-xd7ko
@ALEX-xd7ko 2 жыл бұрын
I can fit more 3 8' subs in that 2.7qft box with the same tuning and have more cone area then your 1 12 . Cone is not always king. 3 8' =21.75' of cone area your 12 is 11.25 ...
@reganmorben9248
@reganmorben9248 2 жыл бұрын
38 feet??? Are you on crack?
@weaklingv2
@weaklingv2 8 ай бұрын
*beep* 😂😂😂😂
@devinosullivan7849
@devinosullivan7849 Жыл бұрын
Smoke detector needs abattry 🙃
@bisnathlinc
@bisnathlinc Жыл бұрын
too much talking and NOOO SOUND
@EstherChidinma-ho8hv
@EstherChidinma-ho8hv Ай бұрын
You too talk
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