This is the most uncony name ive ever seen

The production value for just a video discussing 2 top tiers in 2 different smash games is very high. Leon Massey really made it interesting to watch.

I think the epitome of Meta Knight is that fact that my small family of 3 kids who only 2 REALLY played Brawl, all 3 of us unanimously agreed that Meta Knight is cracked and we made a rule no one could play Meta Knight. I have multiple friends who can concur on the same decision.

I would LOVE to see "A Tale of 2 Top Tiers" as a sequel with Bayonetta and Steve

I distinctly remember m2k directly getting ppl to keep mk legal by threatening to just not go to that person's event, and because the community has always been full of clout goblins, that worked

I love that I get double the entertainment value out of every good smash video nowadays: once when I watch it myself, then again when I watch Coney watch it

Coney is finally confident enough to use his own name in a video title

My family actually had no clue of comp smash whatsoever, we didn't know what a tier list was. But meta-knight was still banned in the household.

I always thought m2k being ranked one in melee and brawl at the same time was insane. Would love to hear your pov of him at that time

Imo on the topic of wobbling (17:15) I think ultimately it was for entertainment purposes. Imagine watching a basketball player just take the ball after it fell through the hoop and putting it back in until they win. Yeah they’d have to get to the rim but when it starts it won’t end until they win. Same reason baseball’s added a pitch clock. They could go without it but it makes it boring

Yes! I just found him, but Leon Massay is incredible!

Wobbling was banned because it was 1. Frustrating for everyone 2. Lame to watch 3. Lame to play against 4. Worked on everyone now matter who they played. Against icies, you’re always one grab away from a stock being taken and there’s no counter aside from not getting grabbed. That’s just insane

I don't get why people defend wobbling. Sure, it makes the ice climbers more competitive when they aren't already, but the fact that very few players and even fewer spectators actually enjoy it should be enough of a reason to get rid of it. I think not having it has also just allowed for a healthy, competitive and more enjoyable meta to develop. It also just kinda breaks the game. There is counterplay, but do we really want more sets like michael and bananas?

In the context of this analysis, I feel in Ultimate both Kazuya and Steve are “Meta Knight” kinds of top tiers. Not necessarily as inherently broken, but in the sense that you have to “play their game”, “can’t play your own game”, and “if you get a punish for a mistake it’s so much less reward than what they get for them punishing you.” Pyra/Mythra and Joker fall more into the Fox category. Definitely still crazy and broken but at least once you have your opening they will fall like any of the rest

I think the main reason wobbling should be banned isn't because it's dominant, because it isn't. It's mostly because it often wastes time, and always lessens the experience for almost everyone involved. Anything that promotes not actually playing the game should be banned, whether it's dominant or not, just for the greater good.

Tripping seems mad annoying even in casual play. Like imagine if there was a small chance that your button input just refused to go through bc Nintendo thought that shit was hilarious

17:28 not maybe. PudgyPanda beating Axe at Smashcon in... 2018? 2019? don't remember, but Axe losing to PudgyPanda caused Axe to call for a wobbling ban, re-igniting the issue and inevitably leading to its ban worldwide. I would argue that Mango is what kept the idea of a ban alive, but Axe getting axed from a tournament to an unranked ICs was the straw that broke the camels back, or in this case, the crack in the walls that caused the castle to crumble lol

I was as surprised as you were by my shoutout 😅

I still hear the whooshing sounds of the Mach Tornado incident of 2008

Had the pleasure to meet leon at a melee event here in Ireland, didnt even know he was a big content creator but now I cant recommend his content enough haha

If I didn't watch this already on stream I would've thought this title was a bait, seeing completely normal, accurate non-clickbaity title on a Coney video is very unusual

Dedede doing chain grabs and ending it with Upthrow > UpSmash is a legit kill confirm against all fast fallers, too. Just in case you come back to PM one day

We're like 2 degrees from Coney reacting to Big Yellow and that would be awesome Also the monarchy isn't the government lol

I remember in the smash brothers documentary when they showed m2k being the best at brawl and melee he said meta knight felt like the only melee character in brawl because of his speed, some of meta knights traits are common in melee but part of his dominance in brawl are the fact that nobody else can keep up, also he’s completely broken in a ton of other ways and would dominate if he was in melee too lol

11:05 imagine just randomly in an fps hearing the sound of a jet take off behind you.

About Gibraltar, way back in the day, Gibraltar got so omega buffed to the point where he had 100% pickrate in competitive Apex Legends, if you didn't have a gibby on your team you were trolling/throwing, because he could literally do everything AND do it strongly.

I love ultimate wolf but I totally forgot how good he is lmao

Wobbling being banned is good. It creates a huge barrier to entry at a lower level in brackets and it is NOT fun to play against.

2:23 i didn't know pet shop was a top tier, interesting

The early tier list just shows every new game we have all forgotten how to play Remember when people said K.rool and ganon were gonna be good ?

I watched this vid like 3 times waiting for coney to eventually react to it

This was a fun video, looking forward to seeing how Coney reacts

Anyone else remember the official guide for Brawl ranking Meta Knight as a 6/10?

18:20 coney wants the screen shake from the drive through lol!

Sweet. Been wondering when Brawl and Melee vets would react to this. I love Leon's vids, they're fun. For this video though I really wanted to see some dual Vet opinions. Hoping M2k, Zero, Larry, etc cover. Cool Coney is the first to dip in.

I’m glad you are reacting to this because I watched it not too long ago.

itd be interesting to compare these characters to the top tiers of the other games. i think these are two characters that make the most out of what their games have to offer mechanically. in 64, this argument can be made for pikachu and/or kirby. Does bayonetta fall into this category? i was never a big sm4sh player, but given the rage gimping and ladder combo degeneracy its easy to say from a surface level that she could in fact fall under that description. but then in ult, would we say steve or kazuya meet these requirements? they almost feel like there was so much added specifically for them in their inclusion as DLC, is it really fair to say either of them 'make the most' of what ultimate has to offer? or just that they make the most of what sakurai had to offer THEM?

Hey coney just wanted to say I love and appreciate the consistent uploads, your such a joy to watch and I love your personality! Hope and wish you well ❤

now we need to get coney to watch the ultrakill video

It is a crime that this video doesnt have enough views as it should. I hope this video gives it more attention

Here's a stream idea that you can have for free: Host a spelling bee where all the words are completely made up but still follow conventional English structure, so the contestants have no way to memorize vocabulary and instead have to rely completely on their skill in spelling out various word sounds and combinations. Since there'd inevitably be guessing involved, give them three strikes per word. I think this would be very entertaining!

0:53 dr mario looks menacing 😭

It would’ve been really funny if this video was also edited by Leon

This was such a good movie

Does anyone know where the VOD is for this? I can't seem to find it.

17:17 i have this exact same thought but in ultimate when tweek loses to steve

I appreciate how this video completely ends any discussion between melee vs brawl. Melee has always been and will always be a game that can be pushed further into infinity, whereas brawl was always destined to fail.

I literally just saw that movie yesterday.

When PudgyPanda beat Axe at Super Smash Con, that pushed the anti-wobbling side into a frenzy and ultimately it got banned. Though the whole sentiment of “random wobbler beats top player” definitely helped, but I wouldn’t say it was a mang0 exclusive, funny because he doesn’t mind wobbling compared to other players, and has said he would rather get wobbled than techchased cause he knows he’s dead. The vulnerability of fox is so true, big reason why I love playing against him as ICs.

We all collectively love Leon Massey

IC's is reasonably banned, but it's when you started hearing "oh woo yeah woo were the fastest funnest game ever since the start" that it's like okay c'mon now let's humble ourselves a bit, you know what it took to get here. And acting like the last tournament I watched wasn't LTC that had like 3 sets of Jigglypuff Peach in top 8 Meta knight funny enough still lives in Ultimate because of top tiers that win by waiting for their opponent to try to play the game.

Fuck I love smash history! I should go to a tournament one day

Pretty sure that bit about the UK was about King Charlie not the government. Though I thought he was talking about the government too at first as Rishi Sunak was also having the piss taken out of him recently for having a £250,000 pool that costs him £13,000 a year to heat and had to have the local power grid increase it's capacity specifically for his pool, while huge swathes of the country can't afford to eat.

The title be funky. Coney....why is the title so professional

I have wanted Coney to watch Leon Massey since I saw Leon Massey

This is such a goated video

11:08 He has headphones on, HE CAN'T HEAR US!

Lfg leon massey reaction. Hes honestly one of the greatest creators in this platform

Coney's finally embracing his inner KZfaq reactor

This is great, but you might want to link the video in the description

I remember watching streams viewership go down when ice climbers was on stream. I think it make a a better Viewing experience more than it being broken

No way coney reacts to the skating game video next

Gibraltar will always fit in Apex’s tournament meta. Had 99% usage at one point.

yeah and in ultimate it's not really much of a punish to rolls. like people will still do it a bunch even at the top.

And then there's Smash's one and only queen... Bayo-fucking-neta.

bro u could have linked the video

11:02 OH God he can't hear you. He has airpods in!

@2:10 is that Pet Shop?

14:41-14:58 I legit don't understand what he was trying to communicate. Does someone know?

11:04 how do coney do to advance frame by frame on a youtube video pls ? ty

Love you Coney, great video. #Toad

How come this video isn’t titled “Brawl Meta Knight VS Melee Fox”

8:46 esam literally looks like jake gyllenhall

did coney realize he's popular enough to use his own name for clickbait

There's a reason why modern brawl rankings are top 20 and not top 100.

I thought it was going to be about tkd the triple laser god vs metaknight 😅 oh how I miss brawl

coney mentioned

Oh NO! Falco cant hear us!

Fellas! Fox was a kind king, allowing others to claim the spotlight Meta knight, not so much

I’m curious what the people who adamantly back wobbling being banned (would) feel about like Kazuya being banned as a character. It’s the same idea in the end; character is fully just based around one move (grab/EWGF) and they can kill you if you get hit by it at literally any percent which makes the game only based around not getting hit by that one thing with hugely skewed risk/reward (except it’s way more skewed for Kazuya, EWGF is near unpunishable on shield)

0:50 wasn't yoshi mid teir at least? since amsa in melee and promising in brawl but just not metaknight

You should look at the comment I posted on his video. The one where I discuss another character who isn't in Smash Bros, but is still much greater and mightier than Fox McCloud could ever dream of being. It might be enlightening to you.

Axe and Plup crying are the reason wobbling got banned

He can't hear you he got Skull Candy's in

The thing that ruined Brawl is the overall mentality of “Play lame, win game.”

Ik you dont remember this but it was n0ne he had time to tweet while he was being wobbled it was banned like a week later

isn't rob like hero upsmash bad in brawl?

Brawl would have been so much better if they had actual players playtest the game

Leon Massey is a cool Figghting Game content creator!

leon massey is my goat

Boney

Where’s bayonetta

NASB MENTIONED 🎉

Coney has an Antz face ngl

Istg you already posted this video like 2 months ago

14:50 strategically unsatisfactory cause it's all about them frames baby

I can't believe M2K is the primary reason Meta Knight didn't get banned lol like that is legit unbelievable to me. If we had just told him to go fuck himself Brawl might still be thriving today. "I'll be really sad, I put a lot of time into him!" meanwhile being the supposed best player in the world. Laughable tbh. Makes me wonder if M2K was truly the best Brawl player in the world, or if he was just the best Meta Knight player, unafraid to do the scummy shit that others hesitated to do, and got heavily carried because of it. It's also crazy that Japan was even an excuse at all to justify it. Like who cares? Did Japanese players come to the states to play that often? I thought back in those times Smash wasn't nearly big enough to justify flying around the world for most people? Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember there being a pretty distinct difference between North America Smash scene and everywhere else's, and international things were few and far between, not really a big thing until Smash 4. Maybe my memories are just hazy but I do kind of remember it being pretty separated. Wobbling getting banned for being a broken mechanic on a shit character vs Meta Knight staying legal despite EVERYTHING about him being broken is the perfect summarization of competitive Smash imo. But we all know it was just two crybabies throwing tantrums in different directions. Though I am partially biased against M2K, I'll admit. Ever since I saw that set where M2K gets KO'd in like the first 10 seconds of the match and gets mad at the opponent for "not respecting neutral" or some shit, then they restart and he does the exact same thing stone-faced and acting like he did nothing wrong, I've lost a lot of respect for him. I've been trying to find the video for like 30 minutes but I don't remember who the opponent was so no luck yet.

What? Where is my click bait title

coney reacts to??? who am i watching???

Axe himself isn't why wobbling is banned, but he was 100% the last straw. PudgeyPanda wobbled him, axe made a tweet, and the centrists of the debate moved to "we need to ban this" because melees golden boy was beat by it.