@Vesalius I bought the Hayworth Zody instead. Took me hours to decide and I purchased mine 2nd hand for $200. A bit heavy to transport but aside from that I love it. Even though I can't lock when tilting back but I still managed to fall asleep for 10-15 minutes on 2 occasions. I love the titling forward motion that allows me to feel like I'm in a good working posture if I'm really engaged in what I'm doing. Lumbar support is good even though I can't tell much of a difference

I have the same problem with all herman miller chairs except Sayl. Have to try steelcase for extended periods of time yet

I have the Same problem

Horrible chair, on the tightest lumbar setting your lower back is not even neutral! the audacity to charge premium

I’ve never found a great neck rest honestly. Lots of decent ones, but never one that’s perfectly comfortable

You could probably mod a headrest onto it pretty easily with zipties, or even mount it with screws ive seen people do it before

so glad you shared this

tbf i kinda like that, helps remove pressure off my back a bit.

If you just feel numbness from your butt to feet in just one leg, the advice would be to see a back specialist because that's probably sciatica

Squats. You need to build up that booty. I've notice this after Covid and not working out as much. I developed back pain and sciatica from muscle loss and strength.

How's the seat for you? The reddit boys keep complaining about the chair and the feeling like seating on a rock

@@David-rc4rt Uhhh... never had an issue with it. I've never sat on original one and refurbed has replaced pads and lining which may be different than the original so it's hard to tell. Using it 8 years now, no complaints here.

Late to comment, but I think it just depends on a lot of different shapes and conditions. I have pretty sharp sciatica pain if there is a lot of pressure on rump, and the way this chair is designed, a lot of pressure from seat goes toward rear vs front even if. you do perfectly adjust to have legs at full 90 degree and load bear some of weight like you're supposed to. The seat was just too firm for my condition. I solved it with a blanket because it not a bad replacement or altering the shape of it. it's just adding a small layer on top of it while retaining it's shape. Doesn't completely solve problem, but helps. But as review said, you really won't find any chair from any brand with a softer seat that has all other things I need, like this chairs perfect adjustable arms that are helping me maintain perfectly straight wrists for hours every day at the computer.

same goes for mattresses - you can buy an expensive one, but you can spoil it with a top mattress

@@momchiltsonev2897 Absolutely not true. I bought an extremely firm mattress many, many years ago. After a while I decided it was too firm, so I bought a 3 " mattress topper. It turned it into an extremely comfortable bed. While the mattress topper only lasts a few years, it's much, much cheaper than buying a new mattress and the firm mattress is still in excellent condition after over a decade of use.

The Leap has a different seat, different back and a different recline, so just removing the lumbar still leaves you with 2 pretty different chairs. -Ryan

Based on BTOD's recommendation, I ordered the steelcase leap v2 and Gesture. It was the greatest mistake I ever made. Steelcase is not comfortable at all. I had back issues and knee pains from both chairs. As highlighted the seat is very firm worse than the mirra and aeron(which I will come back to)...the center column scratches the floor and not comfortable to sit on. I had to switch them out for my dining chair after returning then Then I got the haworth zody..that's the best choice I ever made. At the same time I got the mirra v2 and my friends aeron. Out of the 3, the haworth is the most comfortable and lustful to sit on ( you can literally sit in it without standing up for hours ) but I have an issue with it, the build quality isn't as good as the herman Miller ( built like a tank). The mirra which is mesh is quite comfortable but not up to the zody. You probably need to stand up every hour other than that I love its customization way better than the steelcase's. And between the mirra and aeron, I will pick the mirra cuz the frame around the mesh on the mirra is way slimmer than the aeron which gets in the way and produces pressure points.. just my 2 cent but YMMV

@@joshmcdzz6925 I think your chairs had some problems. Especially "center column is scratching the floor" which should not happen in any case even if you have bad wavy flooring. Knee pain can be due to poorly adjusted chair to your need as well as the back issues. It takes great attention to the chair in order to adjust it to your likings. It is not the chair "plug n play" type as it's purpose is to adjust to your body and each body is different so if you don't properly adjust points the chair offers, it actually can hurt your body and feel worse then a wooden stool (I tested it personally as I own leap V2 and wanted to see how terrible it can be if I don't adjust it to my body, and after 5 minutes I srsly had the need to sit on a wooden chair). As the video says, High end ergo chairs are not comfy chairs. They are firm. Seat pans are firm for a reason. My leap V2 is also firm but again at the same time comfortable enough so that I can sit in it for even 12 hours straight without back pain, neck pain, cervical pain as well as knee pain. The reason why aeron probably feels better to you is because of it's mesh structure and it "dynamically" adjusts better compared to leap V2 since when you sit mesh hugs your body and orients according to it where then you take further adjustments while leap V2 takes manual adjustments to properly adjust. Both chairs are wonderful ( I haven't tested aeron yet but plan to give it a spin in the showroom) and I can just say praises for the leap V2. I sat in many different "office" chairs and they all broke my back in ways I didn't even imagine. Leap V2 helped me straighten it back up.

Hey! Any update on the gesture?

Crandall sells them with thicker cushions.

A thicker cushion just introduces more problems on the Leap. It’s not the thickness that can be an issue for people, it’s the contour. Crandall doesn’t understand this so they just made their own cushion that is nothing like the original Leap. It’s thicker, a different density, a different shape and it has a noticeable edge around the entire cushion. It’s not even ergonomic to be honest. The solution if the Leap seat is not comfortable for you is to try another chair, not try to modify the Leap. -Ryan

@@btodtv what about for the people who claim that the thinner cushions bottom out? Would the thicker cushions help in that case? Or for people with tailbone pain?

Those people should try a different chair. A thicker cushion may help but in this specific case, it needs to be quite thick, which then introduces different problems. Like sitting you higher or not have a waterfall edge. They are trying to fix a problem that exists for a very small percentage of people. In doing so, they’ve designed a cushion that’s not ergonomic. -Ryan

What works for me is the purple cushion because it has a grove for your butt. This pushes me back a bit and I will adjust the cushion until I'm at a comfortable spot. Just my experience. My butt will hurt if I don't use the purple cushion.

I experienced it with both the leapv2 and gesture..now with the haworth zody and mirra, I don't experience it. The reason for the tailbone pain is because of the firm seat ( imagine sitting on concrete for hours)

I just got my used Leap v2 and am having tailbone pain. Sad to hear the embody has a similar issue as that was going to be my second choice. Did it ever improve or did you have to switch chairs?

@@NecrophagistGG It went away, maybe about a month or two in.

I don't know if you still have the chair but you can remove the lumbar support from the back of the chair pretty easily

If the Leap has too much lumbar for you, try the Amia. It works very well for me. It can also take a few days for your body to get used to a new chair. It's like going to high quality, supportive shoes after wearing flip flops for a few years. The Steelcase chairs are very supportive and if your body isn't used to that, you'll be a bit sore until you are. In the long run a supportive chair is essential to keep your body healthy.

Is $100 for a v2 worth it.

You could add padding to the lumbar piece. Are you sitting with your butt close enough to the seat back ?

Hello what chair are you using now instead?

hey man, i have lower back pain/sciatica. People say the leap causes tailbone pain, is it true? For someone with sciatica should I avoid this chair? and if so what else should i get instead

@@racksontheway659 this channel recommends the Steelcase Amia

@@racksontheway659 me personally I couldn't use it without a seat cushion cause it was giving me sciatic pain

What? It takes time to develop back problems from ultra-soft seating. If they don't have it their risk increases with a ultra-soft plush seat. Lol. You're assuming these people have been prior sitting in ultra soft seats for a long enough period of time that they should have already developed back pain. You aren't considering that over time they could eventually develop it still. And you're not considering that people age and muscles weaken. And habits change. Thus even if they're Hulk or some shit that may not always be that way.

I have the leap v2 and it’s nice and wide for those with larger hips. I’m not small. Right now I’m 190 and I have wider hips and I’m 5’9” and it sits perfectly for me. My spouse is 6 foot and 220 and it also fits him. I’m in it obv more so I can’t speak on him sitting in it for very long periods of time but he likes it. We don’t move so much backwards or sway ourselves so we have no issue with the backwards motion thing. My back is very comfortable in this chair though as is his. The chair is long lasting as well. I have had it for 3 years and it still is strong, the cushion still is comfortable and everything is still stable.

@@JennyAlaska Thanks for the feedback!😁 I think I'd try checking it out soon. I hope I could buy it😅

im 6 foot 155lbs and i like this one more than the aeron. The only downside is the stock headrest sucks, but i bought and aftermarket headrest for aeron and ziptied it in and it works great

I fluff my chair with farts and they last longer

you talking about peeling PU leather, and super high chairs requiring footrests?

@@smokescreen2146 I'm talking about the material that the cushions are made from. The foam they use compacts over time. It has a controlled life span.

You can buy new seat foam for these chairs. I don't know of any chair that could be made to last longer than the Steelcase Leap and Amia.

It is surprising to me that people believe that something with a different shape, different thickness, different density are the same thing. -Ryan

In the beginning I felt uncomfortable too because of the aggressive lumbar, but how does the center column scratch your floor of it doesn't touch it?

That's how I feel about the Mirra 2 😑