Now that you have left the Church, what purpose have you discovered for the reason your Triune god created mankind?

Praise God sister, thank you for sharing. Jesus is enough.

Praise God! What an amazing thing to here ❤️

The LDS church has never taught and will never teach that we are to become our own saviour. We can never do enough to be our own saviour but we are expected to obey the commandments and that is our works. Sometimes we manage it, sometimes we dont, the main thing is that we try, and by whatever amount we fail by, the Saviour’s atonement makes up for the rest and that is where his grace comes into it if we are sincere in our efforts. If we just sit around saying I am saved by Jesus and do nothing about keeping His commandments then we are going to be disappointed just like the five in the parable of the ten virgins.

@@vinniejones8009 “sometimes we manage it” you mean sometimes you guys manage to keep all the commandments? That’s not right. You either keep them or you don’t. See James 2:10 and Romans 13:8, and Gal 5.

You can tell that Nephi is borrowing this from his brother Jacob in 2 Nephi 10:25 where it's only through the Grace of Christ that we are saved. I think a lot of people get Mormons confused thinking they are trying to perform Works to be saved, but if they learned Mormonism they would learn that Mormons are working on their Glory not their Salvation. This is the same concept as the 5 - Heavenly Crowns of Glory that other Christians teach as our award for our Works here on earth that we receive in heaven.

@@danite1742 There's a conflict of terms here, as the Christian means something different when they say "saved" than a Mormon does. But as far as what you are saying: 2 Nephi doesn't say "glorified after all we can do," it says "saved..." So why do you think Nephi would say "saved after all we can do" when, in Mormon theology, nearly everyone is "saved"?

I think your approach is wrong… For example, 2 Nephi isnt saying that people should or have done all they have done for righteousness but fallen so we need a savior, because when jesus came no one was even trying to follow God. Grace truly came when we needed it the most (during time of religion, and no one was being saved, wars against the jews, violence etc) So my point is, the book of moron is saying do good works so then after you will be saved by grace…… Dont add or subtract from that will personal ideology.

You want truth? Grace through FAITH. In Galatians 5:6 it says that "Faith worketh by love." James 2: 14-17 "What doth it prophet, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food. And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2: 22 "Seest thou how that faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect." James 2: 24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." John 14: 15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14: 21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 1 John 4: 8 "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints is by far the most charitable Christian church, even though they don't publish it themselves. They are known for their friendliness. They live on average 10 years longer than any other Christian church. They are the most devout, having high regular church attendance by all ages. And they are the most Bible literate of any Christian church. So when other churches spout the Bible verse, or half Bible verse, out of context, they can show the dozen other verses that make these churches interpretations impossible.

They are in opposition to each other. Salvation cannot be earned. This is the point of Eph. 2:8-9. Once saved, not by words, the believer is expected to live out their faith in accordance with "good works." Because works have no place in the justification of a lost person is not the same as a Justified person, having been saved, regarding living out in their lives the principles of Godly living as outlined in the Letters to the Christian church. There are three tenses of "Salvation" 1. I have been saved - Justification, not of works. 2. Sanctification, setting apart: Now that a person is saved meaning justified, that person reads and studies God's word, and if an obedient believer, will do good words. Good words are conforming to the "Fruit of the Spirit." Live a life according to the fruit of the Spirit, and you will be an obedient witness. 3. Glorification is the final stage of one's salvation. Glorification is being absent from the body and present with the Lord.

Be encouraged! You are not ultimately responsible for the salvation of others - that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Remain faithful! A Christian doesn't need to have memorized specific verses that deny LDS doctrine to faithfully preach the Gospel. Explain what you know, tell of the grace and mercy of our Lord-just be faithful! And let that experience drive you to grow in your knowledge of Scripture! I'm often in conversations where I don't know how to respond to a point, or have no clue what to say in response to something. That's ok! USE that as fuel to study and delight in the Word of God.

Thank you for explaining that to me because I felt like I was responsible for bringing these lost souls to Christ but now that you clarify it I would definitely stay encouraged and faithful thank you so much

@@GLM yes GOD loves all. But mormons believe Adam was God ? And man can become like God? Pure fake teachings. I don't know anything about mormon but the above said words I saw and read it somewhere. Is that true that mormon believe?

Do not feel defeated :) 🙏

@everyday tenor Brigham young taught that Adam is God but this doctrine was later jettisoned like other blasphemous lds doctrines such as blood atonement

Are you still a Mormon?

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If only Evangelicals had any idea who that is. But they can't be bothered to read the Bible and believe it. They always have to add to it, to make it fit their version, instead of taking it at its word.

Mormons have the most grace of any religion, as the ATONEMENT covers even those who do not believe. Good works, when you run it by the LDS theology, are ETERNAL REWARDS, just like in Christianity. Mormons believe in different countries, or levels, of Heaven, which scale with Christeousness.

@@EricSmyth4Christ Christians don't believe in different levels of heaven. The Bible is clear you either go to be with God or you are cast into hades for punishment of the sins you committed in this life. I would encourage you to see that the Bible never teaches that the atonement is given to those who never believe. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16. Notice that only those who believe will have eternal life and those who don't will perish.

@@EricSmyth4Christ And they are not actually levels in heaven but different degrees of Glory. Mormonism teaches or reward in heaven is 5 degrees of glory, Telestrial Kigdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and three degrees in the Celestial Kingdom. Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: When you inherit a Kingdom what does the king place on your head? That's right a crown. Christianity teaches that our reward in heaven are 5 Heavenly Crowns of Glory, crown of life, crown of righteousness, crown of glory, crown of rejoicing, and the crown of victory. 👑 5 Heavenly Crowns of Glory 🏰 5 Heavenly Kingdoms of Glory Because Christ explains that the Kingdom of God is inside of us, then it's not unreasonable for Mormons and other Christians to understand that our inheritance is our Glory which is based on our works and the covenants and promises we make and keep with God. This changes the idea that a crown is a physical object or that a kingdom is an actual place, but it is actually the same place.

@@1689-Cigars A Christian is a person that believes in the Gospel Of Jesus Christ which is that Christ suffered in Gethsemane by taking the bitter cup, that he Died on the Cross, burried in a tomb, and was resurected on the third day. This is the only Gospel of Jesus Christ that saves and requires no works. This merciful act of GRACE saves us from Hell. This is how even as a Mormon I know I am saved through the blood of CHRIST. This is also what makes me as a Mormon a Christian, because I am IN CHRIST. I do not accept or agree with everything in the Mormon church and I do not put my faith and trust in a church, a declared prophet, or a book of scripture, but I only put my trust and faith in Christ that dwells inside me

@@danite1742 2 points for consideration. 1. Can you produce for me a single Bible verse that links the garden of gethsemane to the atonement? I can find plenty linking the cross to the atonement but none with the garden. That's because the garden had nothing to do with the atonement. The cross is where Jesus atoned for our sins. 2. I find you list of things we need to believe about the gospel missing a very important point. Who Jesus is. That would seem, to me to be the most important point. You wouldn't say that someone who affirmed every point of what you said the gospel is and yet denies Jesus is the son of God a Christian would you?

Bible tells us what we should call them in 1 Corinthians 9:20-22

Phillipians 2:12

Hi! Thanks for responding! My question for you: what you do with the word "after"? 2 Nephi doesn't say "all we can do is this: believe and be reconciled." He throws the word "after," and then ends the sentence after that clause (meaning the "all we can do" MUST grammatically go with the "after.") On its own it seems problematic, but when compared with Ephesians 2:8-9, it says the exact opposite thing. (Note the difference: "after all we can DO" vs. "this is NOT your own doing")

@@GLM Does the Bible say that you can be saved without faith? if it does please let me know. Also, does the Bible say that we can be saved without repentance (being reconciled to God)? Again, let me know if it does. So with the word "after", we imply that we cannot be saved until "after" we "believe in christ, and are reconciled to God". John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. So first you have to have faith (believe in christ) before you can be saved. 2 Nephi 25:23 - For we labor diligently to write, to persuade out children, and also out brethren, to believe in Christ, and be reconciled to God ; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. "All we can do" = 1. Believe in Christ 2. Be reconciled to God

@@shaydonburke253 Your answer at first glance sort of sounds like it goes against the interpretation of past church leaders. Marion Romney said, “It will require *maximum effort* for us to bring ourselves within the reach of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ so that we can be saved” in Ensign, May 1979, p. 94. James Faust said, *“After all we can do to pay to the uttermost farthing* and make right our wrongs, the Savior's grace is activated in our lives through the Atonement” in Ensign, Nov. 2001, pp. 18ff. Your answer *does* fall in line with other statements that are a bit more nuanced by linking this verse with Alma 24:11 and saying that “all we can do” is basically repentance, as you’ve pointed out. However, I’m not sure this is really saying anything different when you consider how LDS doctrine defines repentance. _Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual_ says, “Repentance must involve an *all-out, total surrender* to the program of the Lord. That transgressor is not fully repentant who neglects his tithing, misses his meetings, breaks the Sabbath, fails in his family prayers, does not sustain the authorities of the Church, breaks the Word of Wisdom, does not love the Lord nor his fellowmen.” _Gospel Principles_ says, “Repentance sometimes requires great courage, much strength, many tears, unceasing prayers, and *untiring efforts* to live the commandments of the Lord.” Isn’t this beginning to sound like the face-value meaning of “after all we can do”? Biblical faith is trusting solely in the work of Christ on our behalf. Eternal life is not just something in the future to work for. Jesus said you can have eternal life *right now* (notice the present tense in John 3:36; 6:47; and 1 John 5:11-13) if you simply believe, trusting in Him and abandoning your own efforts as a means to that end.

2 nephi 23:25 says we must do all we can in order for God to give us grace for ye are saved by grace after all we can do Ephesians 2:8-9 by grace we are saved and that not of our selfs it is a free gift of God least anyone shall boast. Clear contradiction

The church also demands works you must pay money in order to enter the temple to do indowments stolen from the free masonic temple witch Joseph Smith was a free mason . Jesus said and Paul said the temple is our bodies in John and Corinthians

The Book of Mormon is fiction so what it says is irrelevant

And therein lies the problem.

A gift is free you just have to accept it accepting a gift isnt work if someone gives me a present its unconditional however I can refuse the gift and throw it back in someones face the idea that you have to work for a gift is dumb your not making sense

Great point! Is faith a “work”? Most would say that it is. But you need it to be saved. So…

Spot on. Everything you said is congruent with the full new testament teaching amen.

@@manimal4136 you don't seem to understand the gift is a way to life through Christ offered when we were undeserving. We didn't deserve a way to life but this is God's grace to offer life to those that trust in Christ accepted by obeying his word. To accept the gift is to trust in his word. Trusting is a verb which by definition is a work according to the English language.

But LDS “repentance must involve an *_all-out, total surrender_* to the program of the Lord" (Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, emphasis added). That sounds to me like "all we can do."

I agree.

In the LDS framework, on what basis is that universal grace applied and punishment forgone? On the basis of your righteousness, or Christ’s righteousness? If it is based on yours, then it is not based on grace. If it is based on Christ’s, then why is Christ’s righteousness not sufficient to elevate someone to the highest level of heaven? Your position also seems to ignore the many, many warnings in the NT of those who will be turned away at judgment to spend an eternity where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Christians don’t argue that “our grace” is more widely distributed than the “LDS grace.” But ours is a deeper grace, covering more and elevating us higher. The LDS grace allows you to have a resurrected body. Biblical grace imputes the righteousness of Jesus to us, and on that basis alone we are counted as worthy enough to ascend to the highest level of heaven. To attain that honor, a Latter Day Saint would have to work for it.

The LDS grace allows you to Become More. To live with our Heavenly Father and become like Him. And be with our families forever. Not just to have a resurrected body my friend. The LDS grace allows those who die without even knowing who Christ is to enter into the Celestial Kingdom. Mainstream Christianity believes people (even infants) who die without being baptized go to hell. I suggest doing more research on grace before claiming "our grace is deeper".

Yet you gotta keep a temple recommend with all the commandments (no drinking, no sex before marriage, wearing special underwear, follow the prophecy ect) to get to Heavenly Father. So something that Jesus already paid for John 14:6 the LDS members are trying to earn? How is that more grace?

@@shaydonburke253 so how do you respond to Galatians? What happens if you don't complete you're worthiness and complete your temple ceremonies? Exactly. Works cannot save you. You complete works because you are saved. Please do you research. You will not become a god. You will not be become exalted. If you try to live by the law you are cursed to follow all of it. Which no man can do. Jesus is the only one who lived a perfect life and took the punishment we deserved. Through faith and grace you are saved. Read the new testament. There is a contradiction with Mormonism everywhere.

@@shaydonburke253 but the LDS grace is in contradiction to the christian Bible. 1John 5 :12 says, He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son does not have life. Mark16:16, Acts 4:12, John 3:16, and many more verses support that only those who believe in Christ 's atonement will be saved. 1Cor 15: 1-4, Romans 10:9, is the formula for salvation.

Hi Rob! We made a video on this exact issue: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdOkqLmc26zDoYU.html Let me know if you have any questions!

You are misrepresenting 2 Nephi 10:24 "Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved." As you can clearly see from the verse you must reconcile yourself to God first then can you be saved. So in Mormonism it's work as hard as you can to obey to the laws and ordinances of the gospel, then grace takes you the rest of the way, and then you are saved. (See 3rd article of faith and Moroni 10:32 along with the verses talked about in the video and my comment).

How about up until the civil rights movements? Was Jesus’ Grace for the African American, according to Joseph Smith or Brigham Young? I know god reversed his curse on African Americans, conveniently, but what about those that came before the lifting of the curse?

Which Christ? The christ that is Lucifer’s brother or the Christ that created everything?

You are talking about the 2nd endowment. It's not a greater salvation it was actually to achieve a higher degree of glory and just so you this is a private practice that still goes on today. These are all awards in heaven that are related to the teachings of the 5 Heavenly Crowns of Glory taught in basic Christianity. This is all Mormons are ever tring to work to is achieving Glory which has to be done in the right mindset and that is to Glorify God.

Early Methodists were nothing like Mormons. Not sure why you would say that...

You can also go straight to the source like any wise person and actually read the Book of Mormon.

Do you keep all the commandments when you obey Christ? James 2:10 says if you break one, you break them all. So, do you keep all 10 commandments? Do you live up to the Sermon on the Mount? If not, how do you know you are saved? How much of the "Sermon on the Mount" good deeds will get you there? One-fourth? One-half? Read Romans 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, his faith is counted for righteousness". 1John 5:13 says you can know you are saved. The previous verse 12 says "He who hath the Son hath life". Where is the list of works that assures you of eternal life, that you hath life? How do you know you have reached the quota of works that satisfies God, and assures you, that you finally reached the heavenly goal, that you finally know you are saved? 1 Cor 15: 1--4 says that you are saved by the Gospel, by believing in the death, burial, and ressurection of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1: 13-14 says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit after trusting the Gospel of salvation. Philippians 2:13 tells us God then works in us at His pleasure to do works. Some will do few works; some will do mighty works; some will do no works, like the thief on the cross. It is all at God's pleasure, not ours. Without works, we are ineffective Christians, but we are still sealed by the Holy Ghost. Works are important. The Book of James says faith without works is dead. He is correct. But, if we can save ourselves, why did we need Christ's atonement. Isaiah 64: 6 says all our righteousness is like a filthy rag. How many filthy rags does it take to "prop up the cross" of Christ, so we can add to Christ's atonement, since our help is needed? Christ, though He was perfect, needs our help, we who are imperfect, so imperfect we are filthy rags before a perfect God? We should do good works. Works are very important for our rewards in heaven. But, our entry into heaven is by grace thru faith, and I can quote 112 faith-alone verses in the christian Bible to prove it.

He covered that as well, watch the video again.

A Christian will do good works because he has been saved, not to be saved. As a newborn baby will cry spontaneously, so he who is born of the Spirit will live to please God. Those who think salvation can be lost don’t understand what happens in regeneration.

Good point, most mistakenly believe he was apostle, but he wasn’t, just a zealous disciple who wrote beautiful and true things well after the there was no longer a need for prophetic scripture-I thought Christians told me there is no need for scripture after Christ. Whatever made his letters scripture, I don’t know. Must have been a close vote.

Todd, have you shared this concern with LDS leaders as well? From the 1950’s to the 1990’s LDS apostles and prophets often construed it to mean that grace kicks in after the prerequisite of maximal obedience. Do you believe that Bradley has been misled by your leaders?

James’ point here is not that we are saved in part due to the virtue of our works, or not even due to the works at all. He is saying that we can’t have saving faith without it producing works. This is why he says,“...Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works,” (v 18) and “[Abraham’s] faith was complete by his works” (v 22). James is evidencing that you can’t call yourself a believer if you aren’t bearing fruit. James’ passage can be viewed as “justification before men” (or “how we know the faith was legitimate”), whereas Paul’s account of Abraham is detailing how Abraham was justified before God: “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” - Rom 4:3 Paul goes on to say, “Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who *does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly*, his faith is counted as righteousness” - Rom 4:4-5 ‭‭ Works are a necessary outflow from faith, but the works themselves are not prerequisites or conditions to salvation and forgiveness.

Why do you hide your name? you are taking scriptutes out of context

As a Mormon I will tell you that you are taking that Scripture out of context. We are talking about how someone is SAVED. The LDS Church official standing on this topic is that we are saved from the outer darkness of Hell through the GRACE of Christ only and that no works are needed. Our salvation is sealed by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? It is that Christ suffered in Gethsemane, Died on the Cross, was buried in the Tomb, and resurected the third day. This is the only Gospel of Christ we teach in the LDS church. When we go to heaven we are rewarded for our works in the form of Glory based on the things we have done here on earth. 1) Grace = Jesus Christ = Salvation 2) Works = Awards in heaven = Glory You need to understand that The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for Salvation and the Doctrine in the scriptures is to help us achieve our Glory. For example the Principles and Ordinances of the Gospel is not the Gospel but it's doctrine on what we need to do to make a commitment to God that we will exit our old life of sin and start a new life IN CHRIST and the symbolic method of doing this is through Baptism which represents the death, Burial, and Resurection. This is why we teach that the Principals and Ordinances of the Gospel are: 1) Faith 2) Repentance 3) Baptism 4) Gift of The Holy Ghost Its symbolic to the Gospel but it's not the Gospel because, baptism is for our Glory and not for our salvation. For all you Mormons think about what you were taught were the people that will go to the outer darkness of hell? Now think about the people that go to the lowest kingdom (criminals, murders, rapests, etc.) Now we just need Mormons to stop thinking that the Kingdoms of Glory are different physical locations because the Kingdom of God is in you and the Glory is also inside of you.

@@danite1742 The issue is that you're using a different definition when you talk about salvation. For the Christian, salvation is salvation from hell, yes, but also is salvation TO something. What is the "something" we are saved to? Eternity in God's presence. For the Mormon- Christ's death secured resurrection for everyone, for few will experience outer darkness. But the telestial kingdom lacks the presence of Christ and the Father. The terrestrial kingdom lacks the presence of the Father. Only the Celestial kingdom is the "heaven" where a person experiences the full presence of God. So if we take the Christianity of definition of heaven and salvation- and we say that the parallel to that in Mormonism is where the fullness of God's presence dwells, then the equivalent of Christian heaven (which there's only one, not three, and God is one being, not three beings who belong to the same godhead) is the Mormon celestial kingdom. Mormons believe that to enjoy the fulness of God's presence for eternity take certain works. That is a works-based salvation. There is no heaven without being able to enjoy God's presence, therefore the other "degrees of glory" in Mormon theology (which don't exist in Christian theology, but I'm tryin to draw the best parallels I can) are not heaven or salvation to the Christian. They are still separation from the full glory of God. If you believe that you must do certain works and ordinances, belong to a specific church, pay tithing, ect all to be able to be in God's full and eternal presence, then you believe in a salvation based on works.

TO: @@BNichols021 RE: in my opinion vs in your opinion YOU SAID James’ point here is not that we are saved in part due to the virtue of our works, ABEL James' point here is that, and I quote, word for word, A man is justified by works. Nevertheless, Joseph Smith does not reject the efficacy or necessity of grace Non-LDS Christian Stephen H. Webb wrote: Two corrections of common misrepresentations of Smith’s theology need to be made at this point. First, Mormons are often charged with denying the efficacy of grace and thus making salvation dependent upon the exercise of the individual’s free will. All theologians use the language of effort, reform, and growth, so this is not a fair charge.... In any case, Smith describes the process of sanctification as being “from grace to grace.” Rather than replicating Pelagianism, Smith is siding with that aspect of the Christian tradition best represented by Thomas Aquinas, which says we can and must cooperate with divine grace in order to permit it to actualize our potential for divinization. (Stephen H. Webb, "Godbodied: The Matter of the Latter-day Saints (reprint from his book Jesus Christ, Eternal God: Heavenly Flesh and the Metaphysics of Matter (Oxford University Press, 2012)," Brigham Young University Studies 50 no. 3 (2011). :96-97) . YOU SAID or not even due to the works at all. ABEL That's your opinion. That's what you say. James says, "A man is justified by works." . YOU SAID He is saying that we can’t have saving faith without it producing works. ABEL That's not what he said in this scripture. In this scripture, James said, quote" "A man is justified by works." . YOU SAID This is why he says,“...Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works,” (v 18) ABEL In your opinion. we can't have saving faith without it producing works. In my opinion. We can't have saving faith without producing works may be true, but that is not what this scripture says. This scripture says: Show me your faith apart from your works. IOW, or in other words... Faith without works is dead. and I will show you my faith by my works. IOW, or in other words... My life is an example of the love I have for the Savior. My actions are an example of the love I have for the Savior. I love the Lord, therefore, I keep the commandments. . YOU SAID and “[Abraham’s] faith was complete by his works” (v 22). ABEL You see that his faith was working together with his works and his faith was perfected by works. (NET) The New English Translation teaches us that faith is perfected by our works; or, conversely, faith is imperfect without works; or, in other words, faith without works is dead. . YOU SAID James is evidencing that you can’t call yourself a believer if you aren’t bearing fruit. ABEL True enough. . YOU SAID James’ passage can be viewed as “justification before men” (or “how we know the faith was legitimate”), ABEL James teaches us how to be justified. meaning justified. not being simply justified before men. but the only kind of justification is ~ Justification before man and God. IOW, in other words... If a is justified before men he is not justified, but a man is justified in the true sense of the word when he is justified before man and God. . YOU SAID whereas Paul’s account of Abraham is detailing how Abraham was justified before God: “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” - Rom 4:3 ABEL True. . YOU SAID Paul goes on to say, “Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. ABEL True, therefore... If you keep the commandments, then you are blessed. As a matter of fact, the parable of the talent tells that our talents will increase. The scriptures teach us that we will be judged according to our works, not according to our faith. Nevertheless, Our works must be done with an eye single to the glory of God. . YOU SAID And to the one who *does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly*, his faith is counted as righteousness” - Rom 4:4-5 ABEL James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. IOW, in other words... Yes ... we agree with Paul and you when you say that faith is a good thing. But we are saying that there is more to the story than just faith, a good thing ... The devils believe in Christ. In fact, they do more than believe, they know Christ and the apostles. Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? Since devils not only believe in Christ, but in fact know Him, we must ask if the devils are saved, because if they are not, then belief will not save us. ‭‭. YOU SAID Works are a necessary outflow from faith, ABEL True . YOU SAID but the works themselves are not prerequisites or conditions to salvation and forgiveness. ABEL In my opinion, this is a dangerous thing to say, because it is paramount to saying that keeping the commandments is not a prerequisite or condition of the gospel. In my opinion, If you love the Lord, then you will keep the commandments. Which means that the converse is also true. If you do not love the Lord, then you will not necessarily keep the commandments. Nevertheless, to my understanding, in order to enter into the kingdom of God. we will have needed to learn to love one another. and to love God with all our heart, might, minds and soul. May we all have this kind of love, Is my prayer, In the name of Jesus Christ. Praise Jesus.

Is Jesus Lucifer’s brother?

@@bryan922 The Mormon Doctrine is contrary to the Bible, do your research and read the Book of John in the scriptures!!

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Correct, the Book of Mormon is not the Bible. It is different. The doctrine of Christ is taught in both, though I would argue taught more clearly in the Book of Mormon (see 2 Nephi 31 & 3Nephi 11, for instance). If you read those two chapters and come back and tell me that the Book of Mormon teaches another Gospel, I will be shocked”. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ love the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Both lead us to Christ in abundance.

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Hello, I read your comment and just wanted to ask, do you still believe there is a God In heaven watching over you?

What is misunderstood? I'm simply contrasting the LANGUAGE of two passages, whose wording sounds similar enough to be related, yet different enough to be saying 2 different things.

@@GLM - What is misunderstood? You’re making exactly my point. I maintain that if one could have Nephi and Paul in the same room and discuss this doctrine, one would find them in complete agreement. It might also be interesting to include Jesus’ brother James in the discussion. He spoke on this topic. I also maintain that the BoM testifies of the divinity of Jesus Christ and supports the Bible.

Or you commenting on a video for something you don’t believe in. Lol, do you feel better? Has this brought you fulfillment?

Why does 2 Nephi say we are saved by grace "after all we can DO," and Paul says we are saved by grace "...and this is NOT your own DOING...NOT a result of WORKS?" These two verses teach the exact opposite thing concerning the role our works play in salvation.

@@GLM definition of grace: the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not necessarily because of anything we have done to earn it everyone will be resurrected 1cor 15:16-23, and in turn some people might even call that being saved and technical this is old testament time in the book of mormon, they are still living the law of Moses (559-545bc) they lived by the law of Moses at the time for example animal sacrifices, which some people might consider a work the church has never preaching works for salvation, we believe and Bible teaches all men will be judged for there own works Revelation 19 I have watch all of your guys videos you take things out of context just as the scribes and pharisees have and you should define salvation, and what is needed

@@GLM The first part of the verse explains what you can do- BELIEVE IN CHRIST.

Well said. They are taking one part of one verse without regard to the whole teaching of the BoM.

@@GLM Acts 16.30-31 What must I DO to be saved? ...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Nephi 25. 23: Believe in Christ.

Hes explaining a process

Over came the tribulation and persecution read the whole chapter.

@@sammysolis8495 Victorious i.e "Overcome" means to conquer sin. best study up.