Crap, barely missed it. Now I have to go pay and watch this whole movie to see that part.

Uh oh KZfaq made a stinky poo poo oh no

lol

Ok

Dude you commented as I was watching this lol

He won't even need to use that technicality as a defense because it's a clear case of self-defense; Snyder'd would be acquitted even if he shot directly at the criminals.

@@zhengyingli what if Snyder blew em up first?

​@@zhengyingli why do I see you in 2 separate video defending Snyder?😐

"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." Oh wait, people actually simp that movie so you're not allowed to say the hypocrisy is the same

@@whade62000In that movie, Ra's al Ghul was already on the train. Batman just made sure the train never reached the Wayne Tower to avoid poisoning the entire city. So, in a way, Ra's brought it upon himself.

I hate Snyder's directing so much. He did the opposite with Eisenberg and Cavill. It's like he said to Jesse: Just play Luthor like yourself, like you wanted to be. And then told Henry: You be nothing like you, let me show you.

@@OsSas3 :) "Think Jesus, but less relatable"

I share the thought. I don't read the comics so Donner and Reeves's take as my standard, I remember watching 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E.' and in some split seconds of the movie, I thought I was seeing Reeves or Superman, instead of Cavill. I never saw either when Cavill's actually in the role.

@@OsSas3 lol stop it cavill played a realistic grounded superman ppl always crying about it's too dark smh petty

@@seaniveroni5579 lol you're confusing unemotional and edgy for realistic and grounded.

Bc He didn't always kill. That's literally the whole point, that He's too far gone, and yet by the end He manages to raise up again.

@@pepeelghetto1231 9 times out of 10 Joker is the first person to die from Batman if he breaks. And most of the time its because Joker went too far on something. From what we are supposed to infer Joker killed Robin and thats why Batman kills now. That means Joker should ABSOLUTELY be dead. he should be first on the hit list.

@@bluefiremarkii No bc the first person Batman is going to straight up murder in the movie is Superman, and bc of a sense of duty against who he sees as a god able to wipe out humanity. After him, Bruce might as well just go and murder Joker, but as we see, Batman begins getting out of that state after Clark's sacrifice. The point of no return would've been if he killed superman in this continuity.

@@pepeelghetto1231 are you stupid? He literally murders and has been murdering criminals all movie long and supposedly before the movie too. Superman is NOT his first kill, but honestly it would've been better if it was and he was using things like alien to justify it. But no, superman is just "another" person to kill, just very dangerous and powerful. And you know even a 1% chance apparently isn't a big deal because the very next film he says he failed him and revives him, only for him to turn evil in the next movie we never got, proving him right. Woop de doo. Horrendous writing.

​@@pepeelghetto1231Are you trying to justify terrible writing? OMG!

THANK YOU!

Genuinely, I don’t think this was a deconstruction. Zack likes The Dark Knight Returns Batman, and he doesn’t like Robin, so he just made TDKR Batman and removed Robin from the story.

He didn’t make TDKR Batman though. Only visual. If he didn’t like Robin he wouldn’t have even thrown in that suit in the display case

​@@mitchell7309nah having a dead son is too edgy for zack not to take advantage of

LOL It's like looking at a set of puzzle pieces and then you decide to cut each puzzle piece in half with scissors just because you think it'll make you look smart.

Holy shit that's so true

🤣 spot on.. Tv too !

@Kermit Peanut DC fan boy

@Kermit Peanut 😂😂😂😂

@Kermit Peanut Frank Miller you mean the same person that wrote the terrible all star batman yeah what a fucking achievement, yeah no because the guy that had Robin eat rats and bruce abuse alfred in his all star run definitely knows much more about the character. "but hes a veteran writer" i could give a shit fans recognized immediately that batman is not portrayed like that, so im pretty sure fans have a better sense of character than both snyder and miller, fucking "casual" so naive 😂😒

Lol I’m not complaining tbh, it’s like a 2-in-1

I’m pretty sure he meant that he wasn’t going to break the movie down scene by scene

Better than talking about BvS, in all fairness

@@speeddemonji9547 "You have a single fact to back that up?"

@@glibchubik4090 who are you quoting?

J is close to M in the alphabet, so I think he would of spared him anyway

@@acidicshow5258supes: ”s-save J-Jartha Bats: “WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME”

Even " save my mom" would have worked, because Batman blames himself for not being able to save his parents, so he would have understood, But save martha is just corny 😂😂

​@@rocky3850even a simple "Mom" would've worked.

@@Nazoto 😂😂

SO FUNNNYYYY

@@Tigerheiress you right! It is!

I agree but you wrote murder instead of murderer

"batman is now winning because he farted on superman"

@@93bendzsi now this is almost wins the prize of best thing said about this movie

Batman jumps off buildings though.

When batman jumps of the wayne enterprises building into a full head dive is full of the exaggerated wealth of the white man.

Yeah but Batman could swim

@@adanaziz6929 miles morales' N word pass overrides this shortcoming.

@@eddi8634 good one lol

This

Lmao

I understood that reference

lmfao

It's confirmed. Batman is in the Scorsese mafiaverse

Maybe Abomination or Atrocity would be a more apt comparison but yeah Doomsday is like an AoU-sorta event not dropped into the 2nd film of the whole damn universe.

lmao im cracking up just imaging that

Or like if Cooler popped up during the King Piccolo arc

@@elae4051 That’s a odd comparison but I guess…

@@concept5631who’s atrocity

Why would bale use guns to kill someone, when he can burn them to death instead

Glad someone noticed that detail in the scene. So subtle yet it says so much about Batman’s character. Even the villains know he refuses to use guns. Snyder has nothing on Nolan

@@kaibrigance278 Batfleck never held guns in his hands to kill people. The only time where he used guns to kill was parademons in Zack Snyder's Justice League.

@@kasadam85 ah yes. Since he didn't hold the gun in his hands, it's completely fine to obliterate a whole car full of people with a machine gun. After all, the Batmobile was holding it.

Oooh, you need to read some more comics buddy, Batman has used guns and killed people before.

"Superman didn't kill that guy. The heat vision from his eyes did."

@@Xehanort10 it's gravity's fault all those buildings collapsed

It’s the people’s fault for being there in the first place

You guys summed up Snyder fans who defend his work to core. They do make crazy shit up and call it art . Snyder is fine but I wish Matt Reeves took over DCEU way back

Batman didn't beat up that guy to death, he died because of his bones got crushed and he bled to death. Batman didn't even touch him, he had gloves on.

Lex is the best detective who knows everything while batman is the worst detective

Batman never tries to kill in the first place.

You’re soft

@@deanparsons389 and u are edgy

@@deanparsons389go read punisher or venom if you want edgy heros

Oh yes, the famous line. "With great power, comes great manslaughter"

Peter doesn't kill people like at all.

Don’t forget about Alfred saying to bat man “you must get revenge”

comeon he said "maybe"

Woolie and Matt approved murder

@Ladiesman1447 the choice he gave Clark was save people with your crazy abilities with basically no risk to yourself... or not. Its a pretty wierd set of options. Uncle Ben's with great power talk resonates with people because it pushes Peter and the audience to be better. Peter isn't just being spider man because Ben told him too, he's just a good person. Its a superhero movie, you kinda need that.

*Kill them all, Peter*

Tbf he could maybe do Back in Black....maybe....*maybe*

@@SifuL-xu9do Ah, a fellow SBFP fan!

@Ladiesman1447 Thats the thing. We dont get a downside to Superman existing. Was Lex going to be less evil. Prolly Not. Were the people he saved on that oil rig going to die without him. Probably. We dont get the payoff. We see him rescuing people and the backlit jesus shots but those are the audience not people in the movie. We don't see news broadcasts of the Cult of Superman or world leaders denouncing him. Media coverage really kicks in because he's kinda complicit in destroying like 2 cities and gets framed for a bombing. Clark knows he didn't bomb that place and its not hard to understand why people might think he did so why the fuck is Clark upset at the new when people trash him. Also Pa Kent comes off real sociopath like with the thought process of "those kids should die to preserve Christianity or global politics".

I'm fairly certain they're all middle schoolers who will immediately grow out of it when they hit 16 or 17.

​@@octaviusroosevelt7355I hope so. If not I feel bad for them

Except there's more fighting and less "the planet will blow up in 5 minutes" moments, but in a movie like MoS maybe that's not a praise worthy fact

And even a bad one. Even Goku tries to move the fights to barren deserts if he can, and the heroes managed to save the Namekians by wishing them to Earth before their planet blew. Even DBZ had more class than BvS.

A short dragonball fight.

Dragonball has much better choreography

@@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 so you want superman to teleport all the villians and their ship to desert and fight there??

@Erik Kemeey bro with all due respect why do you comment SO MUCH? like why are you replying to so many people on this video

@@greatestever4824 “All due respect” what is he, a general? Go off on his ass.

@@billymoak3848 dawg like im deadass he has like 10 comments alone on this page and they're almost all on different people's comments like it's insane

@@greatestever4824 It's not that insane sometimes people just want to comment on multiple comments

@@whoasked376 naw but this dude is commenting on like 7 other peoples comments and most of them are negative or in response to people who disagree with him, its annoying

I've heard the idea floated several times that Snyder should be a Cinematographer instead of a director. I'm inclined to agree. At least with the right editor behind him

I would say maybe a second unit director. He can do the explosions but he needs someone to steer him and keep him away from the main plot.

He uses a lot of slow mo's, and dark as shit scenes, those goddamn shaky cameras He has an edgy teen's ideia of cool visuals, it's a headache to watch

​@@forty_two42except that time he made a blurry ass zombie movie...

Tbh I feel like a lot of the fighting in this movie would be great for an Invincible live action show/movie

Especially since he criticized the Ultimate Edition (the one the fans really hold high praise for lol)

BUT MA SNYDER CUT!

How dare you insult Zaddy 😡

Nah .. all the bad arguments are already in the video.

Indeed

Okay batman but if you kill like 100 killers it goes down by like 99 right? Btw big batman fan its a joke

Well, Burton's Batman killed some people too. Remember?

Yet no live action version has adhered to this rule

@@margarethmichelina5146 Yeah, because Burton literally adapted Golden Age Batman (Batman killing, Joker origin, Other Joker elements like him making TV appearances etc.), instead of the version we all know and love. If he did represent the character present in the comics of the 80s that wouldn't happen. It certainly looked like Batman comic.

@@cjdude46 Funny thing is that Bob Kane gave his seal of Approval to Batman 89. Even said it's what he had in mind (as he pissed on Bill Finger's grave).

If Clark is invincible, how did he die twice in the future?

@@zhengyingli he's invincible compared to a tornado

@@zhengyingliYou can only kill him with a magic space rock.

@@zhengyingliClark can die but it’s only from Kryptonite, magic and maybe removing him from a yellow sun for a long time A tornado can’t kill him

@@zhengyingli This is you. pedant Share /ˈpɛdnt/ IPA guide Other forms: pedants A pedant is an annoying person who is focused on minor details and book knowledge rather than ordinary common sense. In war, it can be dangerous to have a pedant as commander - he'll insist on textbook maneuvers instead of adapting to circumstances on the ground.

They had Jonathan Kent say the "maybe" line because it's accurate to the source material. In the comics, the Kents told young Clark not to use his powers to help others until he grows up.

@@zhengyingli I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Pa Kent probably didn't say "Maybe let them die" in the comics. Not in any good ones, at least.

​@@zhengyingliAre you seriously trying to justify a man literally impliying to a kid he did wrong by saving a bus full of children!?

Congratulations you found the point of batman in the movie

@@lorddonk9806 Then the point should not be a point, are you expecting us to believe that Batman goes around killing thugs and innocent people? He promised to not let any kid suffer the same fate as him, and he does around killing thugs who have kids... Snyder is a fucking moron.

@@hailpickens2454 ding ding ding. You get the movie! Although its hard to say hes killing innocent people. The movie shows they arent innocent. The whole point of the movie is that this IS NOT BATMAN. this is a broken middle aged vigilante who has completely abandoned his ideals. He has lost everyone, harvey dent, jason Todd, and went through ground zero of the metropolis battle. This is not batman anymore. The point of this movie is that batman has become the villain. And supermans sacrifice is the thing that leads him back to the man he once was.

@@hailpickens2454 you missed the point of the movie

@@lorddonk9806 He's still the one which leaves orphans everywhere. Im sure the Lexcorp guards were innocent. The movie is about two hypocrates, who do the same thing but wear the same costume

Or you made the Batman since he began as a gun-toting killer and regularly kills in the movies.

Batman hasn’t held a firearm in any main DC continuity since the introduction of Robin. On top of that, the most comic accurate live action Batman has zero kills and instead works as a fully deputized lawman. Yes Michael Keaton did kill regularly, but Tim Burton also clearly misunderstood the IP, as evidenced by Bruce Wayne hanging upside down when he sleeps. This movie is loosely based on Dark Knight Returns and borrows scenes that rely heavily on Batman’s internal struggle, like the part where he kills the flamethrower guy with his buddy’s gun. In DKR that scene shows how far he had fallen, in BVS it means nothing because Batman has no stance on the subject in Snyder’s eyes

Good call on his origins but Earth 2 Golden Age Batman before the introduction of Robin was 2 years of comics in the early 1940’s. He’s had a lot of character development since being a ripoff of the Black Bat

Isn't that basically what happened? He keeps losing his jobs as he tries to save people and gets pushed into being a savior, which killed him in less than 2 years.

@@zhengyingli no, they speed through him wandering around being all stoic and rugged. I’m talking about picking up with him already at the Planet trying to juggle being Clark at the DP and being a hero to his city.

@@michaelgoldstein8516 BvS covered that, too.

@@michaelgoldstein8516 Go watch Smallville or Superman returns because I doubt major studios want their movies to flop because they cloned something audiences have seen before

I agree,the first half of the movie is actually great. Because I think it does show how he just wants to live normal. But keeps having to uproot himself because he keeps helping people. When he could easily not,and not expose his powers. But then you find out hes actually only in these situations because hes trying to find the spaceship smh. The whole idea of conviently becoming superman when hes needed to fight zod is stupid. They easily could have just made Zod find him. And have Clark interested in his idea of rebuilding Krypton. Up until he finds out zod doesnt value human life. This movie is mostly a mess because they needed to find something for Lois to do. If Zack wanted to be an edgelord,he couldve killed off Lois. I guarantee that wouldve possibly saved the movie. She adds nothing,and the movie gets bad as soon as she shows up.

This the only comment in my life that has raised my enjoyment of BvS in anyway. Alfred is a silver fox in this movie 🥵

valid point

At least I remember BvS. Can't be said about most of the DCCU movies

*_Ma MaHn!_*

Jeremy Irons hasn't even aged like fine wine, he's on that soy sauce tier: a pretty average product until it sits around for years, then suddenly o h m y.

Exactly! Bruce emailed her, of course she’s with you lol

It's a Zack Snyder film lol what did you expect..logic?

He didn't mean as in this is their first meeting. He thought maybe she was with him as in an alien. Super speed and strength with invulnerability? All those people came "with Clark". He thought she might be a Kryptonian.

That doesn’t mean they’re with each other. People really don’t think🤣

@@Crimsontears83 but Bruce literally sent her an email where it’s her in her Wonder Woman costume, so why would he be confused when he sent an email with a picture of herself in WW1?

WHAT!!???

It wasn't supposed to be the real doomsday. Watch MoS when krypton is shawn you will see the moon the Real doomsday destroyed.

I though its Michael bay's ninja turtle without a shell

Marcus?! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?

@@elmichellangelo It takes Doomsday's role in the story, though, so it might as well be Doomsday because you can't do another Death of Superman story in this franchise.

One bit I found funny about Suicide Squad was "the man who can climb anything" being killed as soon as he tried to climb something.

@@Xehanort10 He was too powerful to be left alive.

In about 2 months he’ll be back, and its gonna be worth it

@@Xehanort10 Oh, no, he can climb anything, it's just that he tried to climb out of the movie.

I enjoyed joker being nice to Harley for once

That's why The Dark Knight is a bad movie. Batman kills Two Face and that destroys the movie.

@@halfadeaty Finally someone who shares the same opinion. Everyone I know loves the movie and call it a masterpiece but I just think it’s bad in general and a terrible representation of Batman that makes everyone think he’s something he’s not.

@@halfadeaty oh and "batman" has a career for TWO years, gets injured, comes back years later and retires. It's not Batman.

omfg u guys can’t be real😂 i be saying this all the time but people don’t care. how is bro gonna be batman for 2 out of 10 years💀 pattinson already has him beat with 1 movie smh

​@@Wolfhunter5607 his arc in that movie was so good tbh, he really does represent hope and grow throughout the movie

Its 63%, thats not Citizen Kane, thats pretty much average.

RT score system is broken. It's not a "this movie has 63% sauce" it's a "63% of reviewers gave it a thumbs up over a thumbs down"

The big problem with that is that I don't think the DC version of Earth has as many barren wastelands that the one from Dragon Ball does.

@@sertorrhenclegane plus Zod would have just went back to go fuck up Metropolis. He just wanted to kill humanity at that point. Only DragonBall villains are dumb enough to just follow the hero to a unpopulated area.

@@MajinLordVegeta but superman could get zod the fuckout of metropolis or gell out of earth

Thanks to Piccolo knowing the barren lands

@@coopercross1678 This is true but Zod knew Superman's entire character revolved around humans. So he would attempt to kill them even if Superman tried to deter him away, giving Clark less leeway to actually push him out of the city as he would focus on protecting them. Honestly, I find the fault of that going towards the Crew as they should've made shots of Superman at least attempting to get Zod out of the city with no avail and even putting people out of harm's way.

Why. He just wanted to keep his son safe and didn't real know how to.

@@brendanpelkey120 DCEU Pa Kent was such a downer. In smalville we've had plenty of similar situations but he was mostly supportive.

@@wrestlinganime4life288 yeah pa kent probably could've used more scenes. He isn't as good as the pa kent in smallville. Tho their characters are quite different. I kind of understand what their were going for with it. I think pa kent feels very flawed and human in man of steel like doesn't have all the answers. Which i thought was kind of interesting its also why like the unclr ben in tsam.

It’s understandable why he said “maybe” Pa Kent is conflicted. Let me ask you something. If your son has superpowers and you wanted to keep him safe from the government and he saved a bus of school kids exposing his identity. Would you be conflicted? Yes, Pa Kent doesn’t have the answers, he doesn’t know what to say, he doesn’t know how to respond, he’s not God, he’s human. He’s flawed. What he said was flawed but it makes sense for a father to want to protect his child over anyone else.

@@camerashotstudios9162 he is literally an unkillable all powerful space alien, the government aren’t a problem

pretty silly considering these "live action" super hero movies are all like 90% animated.

I'll be honest ... I was gonna try to be a funny smartass ... but its literally 20 seconds off the halfway point so your just right. Good job.

Classic Marcus.

Me who thinks Superman is a suck character and liked mos for being different: I’m in danger

@@dasboom7133 Who is mos?

@@dasboom7133 I mean, I use to think the same and then MoS had this similar effect on me.... until I actually read some source material which completely destroyed my shitty preconceptions of the character 🤓

This Batman killing is only for this movie as it is implied that he has lost his way in his pursuit of vengeance. “There’s a new kind of mean in him”

Ask the writers. They don't know.

@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh Problem is, they never really show us why. Not to mention, it's as easy as breathing for him.

@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh bro, if Batman started killing and "lost his way", the first place he'd go is Arkham or wherever Joker was holed up and rip his spine out. This Joker murdered Robin, obviously if these movies made any sense at all he'd be the first to go

@Ladiesman1447 I said show, not tell. Even then, it's so vague it doesn't actually explain things. Did this Batman just start killing or did already break his rule a long time ago? We never really know.

Sad thing is that Snyder’s Justice League seemed to be the point where he actually started getting things somewhat right, the characters still aren’t comic accurate but they’re actually likable and the story’s pretty good. If we got sequels like ZSJL but without all of the dumbass slowmo scenes and stuff that didn’t matter they could be decent.

How did Snyder ruin those two stories? It's not as if he was trying to adapt them in the first place.

@@zhengyingli 😂😂

​@@zhengyingli Yes he was. Less so Death of Superman but DEFINITELY Dark Knight Returns.

@@tylerleach8796 Just seconds before Snyder revealed this project at SDCC 2013, he specifically stated that he's not adapting The Dark Knight Returns.

Yeah but he was probably the only good thing about that piece of garbage. And the soundtrack, that was absolutely amazing.

@@peteroliva00 agreed, those two things, and the scene of Superman’s first flight are incredible. The rest of the movie is ehhh

Ok

@kafu Kemeh nah Batman v Superman was garbage and Zach Snyder is 100% just a frat bro who thinks comics aren’t cool unless they have boobies and say the fuck word

@@vsf_dave811 ooo I hate on Snyder I'm so cool, I don't watch good movies cuz I'm a blind sheep

Made me lol

Clearly u just didn’t understand the point

@@zacharysouza7432 We do, and it was dumb. Having Clark's parents fearful of a world that might hate and fear him, cool. Having his father throw away his life for nothing, dumb.

@@LupineShadowOmega if clark saves his father, the people would see him.

That’s why Jonathan Kent’s death in the original movie and in the comics is much more better. He died of a heart attack. With all the powers within him Clark can’t save his father from a heart attack which is so heartbreaking. Unlike in Man of Steel, he had the opportunity to save his father and he chose not to which is consistent with his traits because he didn’t save anybody in the film except for Lois Lane and maybe Martha Kent.

A few parts were really nitpicky but agree with him in how Superman accepting the God image was bullshit and how Super cavil never got have any personality

yes

can you tell me why every comment is from 30 minutes ago

oh wait

@@marrowyoutube Don't you mean.... yEs?

@@mackielunkey2205 no, I mean *yes*

I thought the same thing when I saw this movie. I hoped everyone else did too.

i know right that troll is going places.

@@bionicg2040 I don't like trolls. They're crude, annoying and they're everywhere.

@@haillobster7154 Basically, they are the monster equivalent of sand :P lol

He's under contract with Warner Bros.

@kafu Kemeh he could’ve gotten his ptsd from superman calling out for his own mother. Superman didn’t have to say “Martha”

@kafu Kemeh i know I know but what Im saying is that they could have conveyed that batman had empathy for superman purely by the fact that supermans mom is going to die. Even worse is that if supermans mom did die it would be batmans fault, making him no different from the person who pulled the trigger on his parents. This is all just my opinion but I think it would’ve been more meaningful if batman understood superman from the fact that his mother was about to die at his hands rather than his mother being named the same as his mothers name

Gone Manic But the thing is he didn’t, it was only after he found out superman had a mother that he realised superman was more human than him, he never realised that he could of had a family and life, that’s what shocked Batman, not their mothers sharing the same name (although that was a huge part of the realisation)

@@theanimationmaster724 right I agree. Batman probably didn’t really care about the fact that they had the same name. But Im just saying, they didn’t need to convey how batman felt to yhe audience by super man shouting Martha. It just feels awkward. Even though its kind of a funny coincidence

*ah shit, here we go again..*

hardy har

thE fAns wiLl rIoT iN 5 mInUtEe

C'mon guys the original manga's been out for decades now and yet we're still saying this?

@@justkiet The Tournament of Power awakened the Anime Freeza Saga flashbacks within us.

@@snakeboy2017 true, but when most people talk about dragon ball fights being long they refer to the fillerifc Z adaptation which is what I was on about.

He must have a REALLY strong conection with unexplained ghost dads

I mean, The Rise of Skywalker one really felt like they were writing around Carrie Fisher’s death more than anything else

Wow people really fail upward in Hollywood.

You're forgetting the pretentious David Goyer also wrote this garbage. He gets away with a lot of blunders for some reason

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Well, Tarantino is more into Marvel.

That is Bill's speech, though, not necessarily T's own interpretation....

@@gowithgroove exactly

To be fair, it's the bad guy who says that, which mean it's often wrong.

I honestly think that amazing comic miniseries All-Star Superman was a response to that terrible speech.

Yeah and makes no sense

I never thought about it

Duh, he only kills henchmen who're probably doing questionable stuff to make rent and feed their families. Mass-murdering supervillains deserve a fair trial, and a fair chance to escape from Arkham.

Jason would be pissed

Also joker kills dick Grayson not Jason todd in the snyderverse

Injustice and BvS incorporate two different stories in two different universes. They aren't even the same form of media. One is a game, the other is a movie. So what's with the comparison? Superman hasn't even met Jimmy here, so why should his death be something worth whining about?

@@yash1140 Jimmy, Metropolis and lois are what ties Superman to his humanity, no matter what the universe. If you get rid of one of the three without any consequences, you arent telling a Superman story anymore, you're, like the video suggests, writing an edgy fanfiction. If you take out Bruce Wayne's parents' murders, you don't have Batman, you have an alternate universe Hush or penguin because theres nothing holding him back from becoming a selfish spoiled cow like his parents were. So why should Jimmy's life be so expendable here?

@@thefbiman2116 firstly, what's edgy about BvS? Secondly, Jimmy, Lois, and Metropolis aren't what tie superman to his humanity. His parents, upbringing, and Kansas do, and Snyder nailed them perfectly. His relations with Jimmy and Lois are consequences of his humanity, instead of it being the other way around. Take Flashpoint for example, it had neither of Jimmy or Lois, and not even the Kents, but still managed to give superman a mini-arc, which suggests that whatever the circumstances might be, superman will always turn out to be a human at heart.

@@thefbiman2116 Batman's parents aren't selfish They give away so much money to charity

@@yash1140 because you don't take a beloved Superman supporting character and long-time fan favorite from the comics...and SHOOT HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE!

Nah that's more like MCU fans.

@@peterparker6669 you sure showed those marvel fans now!

@@peterparker6669 ... You're joking

But the new justice league was goated

Snyder's probably the type of guy who's too impatient to watch films the whole way through so he just skips to the fighting and death scenes then fast forwards to the end.

Thanks for reminding me geez

Lol

Except MJ is at least a good (supporting)character for that game

i rlly liked those missions

At least Spiderman does cool stuff in some of them

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That's exactly what the movie did. It showed Superman's humanity, what the fuck are you talking about? That's why we're shown the death of the waynes at the beginning... People in the Internet literally eat whatever media tells them to think

@@DerezzedMan No I agree it shows Superman’s humanity but it’s overshadowed by how stupid it is that their moms just so happen to have the same name and thats what stops the fighting

@@DerezzedMan The way it's executed looks like Batman spares Superman because their moms have the same name.

I’m not lying at that point I thought it switched to a parody

I quite enjoyed his Man of Steel commentary. Very good film

@@danield.8233 man of steel is garbage and doesn't the character

@@babaracus9583 pretty sure it was a joke

A gem this guy missed was when Zack said "that perception about Batman not killing people comes from the Tim Burton movies" (????????????????)

@@Jose-se9pu even better he also says that his Batman is pretty much the Batman from Dark Knight Returns You know, the comic where he breaks a gun over his knee and calls guns “weapons of the enemy”

No way you said Zach Snyders justice league was bad that movie was great

@@Vindog962 Pay close attention. Almost all the "cringe" that was blamed on Whedon was in the trailers long before Whedon got involved. It's a bloated mess that helps ruin continuity (WW has been in hiding...except during WW84...). There is no comeradeie, logic was actually removed, and contrivances were put in place for no reason (Martian Manhunter, the fact Lois showed up at his resurrection by chance instead of being brought in by Alfred, etc, etc). He also adjusted the aspect ratio, leaving massive overhead space in every shot, and the monochrome made it even darker and harder to see as it already was. Just because you can't recognize shit writing and are happy with keys being jingled in your face, doesn't make this movie objectively good, the opposite in fact: it's shit even compared to the Whedon version. Snyder is a fraud, and his last two movies proved it, as he had total control and couldn't even keep the camera focused... He's called Hack Snyder for a reason. *Dispute a point I made or don't bother responding, fanboy.

@@daveyjones8969 lol what jiggle keys when I watched the movie I liked it much more than the whedon because they gave everyone a character an arch the villain had real motivation the action scenes were awesome also there’s no way your saying whedons was better when flash said what is brunch and they dedicated 30 minutes to some Russian family also what whedon did behind the scenes was truly awful. Flash’s time travel save the world scene was super cool even my friend who doesn’t like Snyder said it was really cool. Also I’m not a fanboy just because I like something about don’t know if you know this but Snyder is a very polarizing figure so it makes sense some people have different options on him.

He has such rich funny dialogue And yes I said “killed them”

For those who don't understand this universe is another timeline that dark sides knows what will happen hence everyone not being normal

Hilarious

That quote perfectly describes Zack Snyder's sucker punch movie 🤣

homelander is the Superman Snyder wanted to make I can only imagine the Tantrum he had when he found out about The Boys. Thank god he wasnt allowed near it it would be shot for shot remake of the comic

Even Homelander shows more emotion and is to a point more sympathetic.

@@TooFatTooFurious no way lol. How can you watch The Boys and think Homelander is sympathetic? He's comically evil, shitty upbringing isn't an excuse. Like he literally let an entire plane of people die just so that his reputation as an invincible god capable of anything isn't slightly damaged

@@roojackaroo8517 he didn't let the plane fall because of his reputation. He did that on purpose. He damaged the controlls on purpose. He used it as a war tactic. A terrorist attack. So he can get the army approval. He was only making excuses not to save the plane so his plan would fall through.

@@roojackaroo8517 yeah homelander is a pretty shitty hero but there's like, that one scene where he actually tries to be a good dad for his son and encourage him when he gets upset, which is more sympathetic than anything Snyder Superman did

No

No, we are not.

Im batman

@I’m unknown unknown not only is this a dope ass comment by itself, but it also both reminded me of those old HISHE Superhero cafe videos, and that Robot Chicken “Do You Bleed?” segment. So now I’m gonna go watch some funny ass videos, and for that good person, I salute you.

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Why the F are you guys stuck with only one fking version of the character! Jeez it's like nothing gets past your nostalgic boring superman

Enjoy your Justice Leauge 2017 then and be quiet. You got what you wanted with it and Superman Returns.

@@The80sWolf_ exactly lmao

@@The80sWolf_ Pointing out another problem isn't solving rhe first problem.

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom There are no first problem. Its just a dumbass that cant see a difference in characters in a movie. If I can, then why cant you/him? Am I some intellect mastermind that analyze movies? lol

Or in the case of Gunpowder Jimmy: "Screw it let's just kill off these guys for funsies. Not like we can't use the multiverse to resurrect them later, lol add another 80s song to it."

Ah yes, a Gundam fan in the wild

Huh...wow, good point on that one. Char especially didn't learn his lesson, as seen in Gundam Unicorn through Full Frontal.

Few comments give me a legitimate LOL moment like this one!! Spot on accurate 🤣🤣🤣

Char, I get, but Amuro?

@@manat31790 If you take First Gundam as an isolated work, perhaps not, but if you consider his actions in Zeta and Char's Counterattack? Absolutely. He acts so above the soldiers and killers, but he's no better; he's still a pawn of the system. Londo Bell or not, he isn't going to accomplish anything more than more murder as just a soldier. He might have been the hero, but I think the whole point of Gundam is that no one really learns their lessons, and tragedy keeps occurring because of it. I don't think Amuro is a good role model for anyone.

Batfleck gets hate for killing, but it actually makes sense, and I like it. He's been a vigilante for 20 years, and snyders vision was, what if batman actually existed. There's no doubt in my mind that he would start killing after losing 2 robins, and constantly being responsible for deaths of people bc he won't kill the joker, in this universe, hes already broke that rule. Even the batman batfleck is based on has killed, with a gun. Hes based on the dark knight returns batman, who has killed joker l, but denies it, because he's mentally ill, so it batfleck, we see him have knightmares of his parents, he kills but acts like he doesn't. Its Different and I love it. Also nolans batman has indirectly kills Ra's, the league of assasins with an explosion, and pushed dent to his death. Batfleck's batman is also very feared, the public hates him, and even Bruce says to alfred "we are criminals, we've always been", very realistic.. Finally, batman going on and on without killing, isn't good batman, part of his core story is breaking his rule, its character growth. Hope this makes sense and changes your mind.

@@timothysondej516 Watch The Closer Look's video on why Synder's Batman is terrible. If you want me to explain to you why your defense of Synder's Batman is not good, then let me know.

@@yashjoseph3544 one thing that video talks about is how batman uses intellect to fight, physical fights he can't win. In bvs batman doesn't do that so much, bc he isn't in his glory days, alfred talks to him about that to, how he is far from his peak. Affleck's story is more about redemption. And we get a hint of that in the JL 2 and 3 story board. Where instead of batman fighting superman in the knigbtmare world, he has a plan to tell his past sense something and flash does so. So ig if the full story wrapped up, you'd like batfleck, because he goes from being a bad batman, back to the good batman. Zack didn't do him wrong, when I mean bat batman, I mean he isn't what the guy says is a good batman, but later he goes back to that. If that makes sense

@@yashjoseph3544 this batman was basically intentionally made this way for him to fight superman, and to set up his arc, in justice league batman seems way different then how he did in bvs

@@yashjoseph3544 Okay then explain why Tim’s response of Zack Synder’s Batman is good even though I’m pretty sure you can’t lol

And not just the men. But the women and the children, too.

Blowing up the Death Star did murder tons of people tho

@@TheJohn9910 Even some good guys. There were some rebels captured alongside Leia...

That's not what he said...

@@L-eye-t r/woooosh

I think RLM said this too.

Superman isnt a hypocrite. Nor is he anything like batman in BvS.

@@andersondalmeus1406 not even close. Superman kills 2 people in the combined movies. He kills zod to save the world and he kills the terrorist to save lois. He never once hunts down or stalks criminals like batman does. Batman goes out looking for a fight. Superman is going out saving people. Batman is not mad that superman is killing people, batman is mad for the devastation superman caused and fearful that he could kill the planet, full of innocent people. Superman does not fight batman because he doesnt like him hunting down criminals, superman doesnt go to batman with the intent of fighting him at all. Superman goes to ask for help and ends up in a fight for his life. If batman and superman are fighting, superman cant have an ideological stance in this fight. He would handily win.

Rich Evans brought me here and I clapped!

@@andersondalmeus1406 superman is mad at batman because he has innocent people living in fear, not because batman is necessarily taking down criminals. Kills 2 people that we know of ? Thats a garbage argument. If we dont see a pivotal moment like that, then it doesnt happen. Superman kills 2 people. There is NOTHING to suggest he killed anyone else. I guess we are going to artificially inflate the death counts for every superhero now based on absolutely nothing. The zod killing is not even up for debate. Superman has to kill him to save the world. The terrorist he kills is because he is saving lois lane, his world. Superman and batman are nothing alike in the movie. Batman hunts down criminals and terrorists to get a weapon to kill an innocent man. We see superman saving people the entire movie. We see superman saving people in both movies. Superman doesnt fight batman for what hes doing. Superman doesnt want to fight batman at all. Superman wants batman to stop making people who are good afraid of him. However he isnt going to fight batman over this, when he goes to gotham he goes to ask batman for help, not to fight him. He ends up having to fight for his life. Dont tell me that people are afraid of superman too. Theyre afraid of him just for existing, hes a godlike character. People would fear him solely based on his existence. If the snyder cut JL goes well I think we will see a final version of who superman will be. Superman isnt superman in MoS and he is obviously still growing in BvS in terms of what kind of character that he will be.

U couldn't be any more wrong. Go read a comic 🤡 like Superman: Birthright

Just because Batman will kill when necessary doesn't mean he's going off on murdering sprees. It just means he won't hesitate to blow up a van full of bad guys shooting at him, not that he's dropping into alleys and gutting pitpockets because its fun.

Why would Clark feel guilty for something someone else did completely of their own accord? Why would this make him realize *he* should’ve been more careful? He wouldn’t have wrecked the bar or anything; that dude would’ve just broken his hand trying to hurt him.

@@thefilmwatcher1302 because thats who superman is

Like not work in trucker diners?

@@thefilmwatcher1302 because Superman is like that He cares about everyone He cares about people He was a raised like a normal human Like you and me Superman is like spiderman, like spiderman feels bad for thing even if he didn't do so Superman is the same

Except in Superman 2, Clark goes back and beats the crap out of the Trucker bully. Again, people were fine with that movie doing it, but mad about MoS doing the same thing.

Highdeyo Ghibjima

How you guys doing it? 😂 Amazing!

Hideo Kojima

Um actually it’s Perfect Blue

Nah, Chihiro the III: where the eathsea rises, is the shit

Yes finally someone who brought this point up . Like Winter soldier is what MOS should have been

This Is so fucking true. I first got into superhéroes with the MCU and my favorite was always cap, because of how pure and wholesome he is, so when I met supeman in the animated series you know I fell in love with him in a heartbeat.

Finally an honest DC fan

it's so annoying. When I heard about Kevin Feige's excitement towards the idea of Gunn making a Superman movie, in that moment I realized that he cared about the character way more than anyone up at WB ever will. :(

@@JohnDoe97637 fun fact the final shot on peace maker with having the JL cameo is shoot on marvel studios. James gunn ask if he can do it there and he is allowed

Meanwhile Frank Millers batman

it depends tbh, there's so many versions of batman throughout what? 80 years now. This was a version from the dark knight so he was kinda of an anti hero in the version

@@Alfram here is the thing classic batman the most common batman is heroic as all hell like he is a bigger hero than the rest of the justice league combined someone like red hood is an anti-hero but batman is not the dark knight trilogy he is classic in my opinion no guns, no killing you know classic batman

@@nobody-ji8hl Totally right. Tons of people point out the exceptions that prove the rule for Batman. "He killed in his first appearance! He's a vicious asshole in The Dark Knight Returns!" Yeah. He did and was, and it's notable because he's usually neither of those things.

Yeah I agree, but people gotta realize this was a different version of Batman. A Batman who lost everything and everyone. Alfred even points out throughout the Ultimate Edition of this movie that he's changed. Zack just really sucks at explaining it on a more obvious level, which mislead a lot of people.