It seems that everyone who enters the melee in the middle can evade one missile but then has no energy to evade another, so someone else comes in to finish them off and ends up in the same position. Effectively it's an inescapable black hole to AI. The American speed/range advantage just dictates where the black hole begins but the capabilities are similar after that. It would need entirely different tactics with this sort of battle that the AI can't do, at least not yet.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Yup, this is why I include humans, they do not follow the algorithm.
@valentinmoerth2279 Жыл бұрын
It would be prudent to do a chainsaw for the US side similar to the old Renaissance tactic called caracolla. Go in High and fast, fire, notch, get down low, get energy back while the next wave gets in. Repeat.
@jaxompol224 Жыл бұрын
the AI tactics favoured the Russians with the extra missiles. after the first wave the Americans would retreat and let the second wave do the same. remaining first wave doing a chain saw to re-engage at speed. the Americans gave away their energy advantage and manouver space at the edge of the sam net. good example of fighting the wrong type of fight by the Americans.
@pranavsivakumar3873 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith essentially a stand-off
@chrisinstasis7986 Жыл бұрын
Kind of tricky to make the AI tactics work when the battle scenario is basically just a pointless (but very fun) COD deathmatch. Could be interesting to rerun it with another element running SEAD or some other groundstrike mission. See if the defenders manage to protect themselves sufficiently.
@Charloots1 Жыл бұрын
alway its redic everytime i watch one of these
@matthewsnyder4360 Жыл бұрын
as an f15 crew chief your pretty spot on about the flight hours of the f15 the only thing you missed was there getting phased out by the brand new f15ex (solid looking acft is you havent seen it yet)
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
thx
@masonyoung168 Жыл бұрын
Damp Sock: No where near the contested zone flying in circles not threatening anything Also Sock: "I'm winning."
@forMacguyver Жыл бұрын
Cap, one of my biggest gripes is that "for reasons of fairness" ya always set the Russian skill levels at expert when we have clearly seen that they're not as well trained or maintained as their western counter parts. That makes a big difference. So 'for reasons of reality' I'm going to lobby for setting Ruskie skill levels @ something less the settings for western forces. That would be for all platforms, pilots, anti air, ground units, etcetera. To fair that's just the truth.
@Rover200Power Жыл бұрын
There needs to be a "drunk" setting, and a "conscript" setting for those with no real training, or for those drafted into the front line from a completely different branch of the military.
@hawk7825 Жыл бұрын
INDEED!
@JD96893 Жыл бұрын
I'm inclined to disagree somewhat, because i don't think the poor performance in Ukraine is very indicative of how good Russian pilots are, more so their doctrine. However if we talk purely about training, very few countries can match the large amount of hours of yearly flight time US military pilots receive. Combat experience as well! The US loves to get involved in foreign affairs and has been involved in several recent wars. I believe very few countries can match US military pilot's level of training and combat experience.
@Utubesuperstar Жыл бұрын
@@JD96893 Russian pilots have piss poor training and the maintenance and reliability of the airframes and weapons is crap as well so I’m inclined to agree we need to reduce their skill tho the us already wipes the floor with Russia on an unrealistic even footing so god help Russia in real life if they try some shit
@garnetmichel5517 Жыл бұрын
Nah I disagree leave it at the expert skill level
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
Is Damp Sock actually BRAGGING about winning by sitting out of the fight hiding behind his SAM batteries? It may be a valid tactic, but not one to be especially proud of, methinks.
@dampsok Жыл бұрын
Dirty perhaps... shameful even. but effective... no?
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
@@dampsok Pretty much. 😏
@dampsok Жыл бұрын
In the immortal words of DMX, you wanna fight me? Fight these 😢.
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
@@dampsok it definitely worked, but nothing to brag about imo. Still, I'm sure karma will bite you in the arse on the next GR sortie. Watch your six! 😧
@andydaniel3070 Жыл бұрын
If you’re going to claim a win by sitting behind the SAM net, then why even bother getting in the plane? You could do the same sitting in the mess drinking tea.
@AndySpicer Жыл бұрын
That was fantastic. Easily one of the top 5. Grump is still a legend. The core GR group is really impressive. I had no idea that Violet was new to DCS. She is a serious talent.
@shmevan_ Жыл бұрын
"It's not a draw!" claims Damp as he flies around his SAM net not doing anything while the inevitable wave of B2s come in to wipe Russia off the map.
@WyvernFalken Жыл бұрын
Damp if you fly around in your own SAM net, the humans aren't gonna fight you. That's not a win.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
He'd probably have got shot down by his own side!
@AnkitSharma-1337 Жыл бұрын
Matrix was alive along with damp and matrix was outside the sam net, in the end matrix was killed by the respawned humans from the blue side so the red team did win because they had 2 active units left.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
There is a solution Grump, you could have attacked the SAM net low down, nullyfiing the SAM range, pop up, shoot run. Might have worked.
@WyvernFalken Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers Perhaps if Fog of War was on. With their AWACS still up though, Damp would have seen where I was coming from.
@christophero55 Жыл бұрын
Simba. I didn't realize you spend so much time behind the scenes working out stuff like this with Cap. Thanks for the time and hard work. It leads to a lot of good entertaining and informative videos. 🙂
@simba1113 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I just try to help where I can.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Yes, he just never gets the credit...
@Knollepops Жыл бұрын
I think some F-4 Wild Weasels, F-4 for MigCap and some A-6 would be enough at this point.
@frankbarnwell____ Жыл бұрын
Exactly. F4 and a6 need love. Both carried more boom than a10.
@Joseph-Colin-EXP Жыл бұрын
Weren't the prowlers used for jamming and another ground radar stuff?
@frankbarnwell____ Жыл бұрын
Yes. A6e. An intruder platform. A6.
@Joseph-Colin-EXP Жыл бұрын
Yeah, something in the mix to go dust up the a400s. As the fighters take missles to the face. Much disrespect.
@aerohead8088 Жыл бұрын
@@Joseph-Colin-EXP E/A-6 Prowler
@victorrodgerivynelson4238 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for pushing the technology envelope, I know it's time consuming but it makes war games something uniquely realistic.
@PotatoeJoe69 Жыл бұрын
American jets have better combat records than anything Russia has, by far. Exceedingly far. The war in Ukraine has done one thing for certain; proven that Russia's capabilities are no better now, than they were in the 1980's, despite what they like to claim.
@marshalljulie3676 Жыл бұрын
US hasn't ever fought a modern force armed like Ukraine🤷. the su 25 can take a hit and keep flying
@bubblenugget1335 Жыл бұрын
Basically no russian jets have been downed by other ukrainan jets, mostly SAM systems that has done the work.
@SakoRichards Жыл бұрын
@@G_de_Coligny Ukrainian Naz1s? Propaganda much?
@NightshadeX85 Жыл бұрын
Russia is an over-hyped bloated mess of a military nation . Russia today could not beat 1980s Soviet Union . Look at the mess that is the flanker enough said .
@marshalljulie3676 Жыл бұрын
@@SakoRichards it is facts you know like a quick search on the web will show you how deeply rooted it is. BBC even made a documentary about it in 2015. And how do you explain all these tattoos of swastikas and Hitler's face all over these guys. Plus you don't have to lie for them they call themselves that on telegram 😂
@trevoirforrester7028 Жыл бұрын
I’m sure the US would not have used that tactics
@bussolini6307 Жыл бұрын
neither would Russia.
@leeslures1499 Жыл бұрын
I know the US doesn’t have a whole ton of F-15 EX platforms, but I’d love to see what difference they might make in a situation like this
@user-fw2dd2cy3c Жыл бұрын
I don't think we have any yet.
@memelephant Жыл бұрын
exactly what I thought. I know they can carry a lot more AMRAAMs
@Mewithabeard Жыл бұрын
Such an awesome concept, the F-15 is a beast anyway but with the EX its a really intimidating aircraft. Can't wait to see it coming properly into service and what it can do😁
@Mewithabeard Жыл бұрын
@@user-fw2dd2cy3c I think I read somewhere that there's a few already but they're still working out some kinks and the usual stuff needed before coming into proper service. Shouldn't be too long before they come into service in larger numbers though
@BLUEYENKO Жыл бұрын
@@Mewithabeard there are 2 at Eglin being tested the rest will be delivered next year.
@rockelino Жыл бұрын
Your live action commentary is the best part of the video
@henrygibson9613 Жыл бұрын
Great idea to nerf s400, the 250 mile missile in real life would presumably have so many friendly fire concerns that the site is probably more effective this way! Presumably the USAF would also have a few if its 400 tankers airborne too? Haven't watched fight yet but guessing some fuel issues will occur! Would love to see a dynamic war games like china Taiwan again, maybe here as this map with sead and sea combat would be awesome!
@hemendraravi4787 Жыл бұрын
i think the friendly fire issue would mostly be cus the enemy is also using mig29 n su27 , here its f16 n f15 ,i doubt they would have a russian maverick so no.
@henrygibson9613 Жыл бұрын
@@hemendraravi4787 Good point, I guess fog of war is always a thing though!
@MrDJAK777 Жыл бұрын
@@hemendraravi4787 it shouldn't matter even if the Ukrainians put Russian paint schemes, as long as IFF is functional. Which if it's not, then their "IADS" is a joke, and can be for all intents, ignored tactically.
@jeffburnham6611 Жыл бұрын
Given the AWACS or E2D's long range radar and datalink capabilities, the American pilots could have just as easily kept within the protective umbrella of their SAM's, fired off their long range ordinance, and let the AWACS track the targets. It always seems in these scenarios, the team lacks the knowledge of how to properly use the aircraft and its systems.
@superflyguy4488 Жыл бұрын
Something that currently PC AI cant replicate is the emotion of combat. In games like the original F.E.A.R it was common for the enemy to withdraw if they took casualties but it was a simple piece of code using percentages. Anybody reading this will understand how much of a difference unit/individual morale can and will make in combat. The current conflict in Ukraine has brought this home to even the general public, numbers, competence and equipment quality mean little if unit morale is low.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
yup AI has no emotions.
@restitvtororbis5330 Жыл бұрын
I feel like there could be ways to at least simulate AI morale, but it would probably need a few different parameters with a range of values that determine what the AI will prioritize. For example, i imagine that pilot's would be psychologically impacted by the sinking of the Moskva even if they were operating outside the range it could influence. Many pilot's likely had their confidence in their military shaken to some degree and possibly became far more risk averse than they were at the beginning. The impact of a major loss like the Moskva might have made pilots far more cautious about missile strikes, and were probably less willing to fly anywhere beyond firmly controlled territory. If that morale factor was used in this simulation, the Russians would likely be less confident about engaging outside their defense network, so would probably not charge out beyond their s400 range, whereas the first few weeks of the war they may have been recklessly confident and gotten blown out of the sky even worse than the sim. Just a thought
@LoneWolf051 Жыл бұрын
Note: F-16s are known to the pilots as 'Vipers" not "Falcons"
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
Maybe so, but the official name is still the Falcon (Like the A-10 Warthog is offically the Thunderbolt II) so the name is valid.
@Silo-Ren Жыл бұрын
Wonderful simulation Cap, was just as surprised with the results as you. Thank you. 👍
@formerlydistantorigins6972 Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to decide if the time and energy spent on these vast battles, is a work of love or lunacy lol. Great vid as always. I know I keep making suggestions but, I've got 1 last idea. Spain plans to take Gibraltar but don't want a Falklands style counter attack. So, while the QE is sailing through the Med, they launch a surprise attack with their air force and navy. Why would win?
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
ooo this is interested.
@GrooveFederation Жыл бұрын
33:30 Skynet: Bruh, I feel personally attacked..........
@Doc_Roe Жыл бұрын
Another Morning GR video and coffee lets goo! I love when Cap gets excited haha, Awesome work GR's! This battle was something I have been wanting to see for so long.
@NightshadeX85 Жыл бұрын
UK has more Eurofighters than Russia has SU-35 .
@NightshadeX85 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon SmithI hear what you are saying but that simply ain't the case with what is actually happening in Russia . The Su-35 is meant to be their air superiority fighter same as the Eurofighter . Last I saw they stopped producing Migs (except 35 for naval reasons and selling) their other fighters include the Su-30 as their multirole (with no a-g guided munition so dumb bombing same as the ordinary flanker) and the Su-57 which only 3 have been confirmed made , the project started in 1999 . The Su-75 Checkmate which is export only and not even prototyped yet . The R-77M missile has been prototyped but not gone into production as of 2022 . All of these aircraft mentioned and their old ones none have been standardized at all , most flankers all variants have no RWR fitted to them due to costs , I really believe the Russian airforce is on it's last legs and really is not on par with French , British aero-division let alone the Americans . Even China is not buying any more and India pulled out of the Su-35 altogether .
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
I think Britain alone has more Typhoon than Russia Su-35?
@NightshadeX85 Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers Yeah , UK has 160 Eurofighter Typhoons , Russia has a little over 100 Su-35 , actual standardized Su-35s meaning how many are complete RWR installed or actual engines capable of running 100% without having limiters put on them is unknown . Russia makes a lot of things incomplete or partially operational . The British and German AIrforce alone outnumbers the Russians almost 4-1 in terms of fighter jets .
@jan_franzke Жыл бұрын
You always set these fights up for "fairness", but real life ain't fair. Crew training, airframe maintenance, logistics, ground support... the US has MASSIVE advantages in all of those, especially considering that Russia has been fighting a very real war for over half a year now and racking up the corresponding casualties. Most of their front line fighters and ground attack planes are probably not in perfect fighting order
@dgthe3 Жыл бұрын
There are dozens of things that won't match real life. The air bases weren't struck with cruise missiles before hand. There likely aren't enough of those R77's to equip every Russian fighter with 10 of them. Even if there were, they won't all be sitting under the wings of the aircraft waiting to go. Then there is the relative difference in pilot training, in group tactics, in AWACS coordination, etc. Or the reliability of the missiles. And on, and on. There are very few things where the Russians would be on even footing with the Americans in such a battle. And if you have even a 10-20% advantage, in 10 different categories ... the result is going to be VERY lopsided. In the end, this is a little bit of entertainment. Although, just once I'd like to see a properly coordinated USN strike against a battlegroup. Lauch the planes, have them loiter around for a while before heading out in a large wave. Stealthy F35s taking the lead to pick off enemy fighters as they take off, a couple dozen F18s in behind launching 100 harpoons at once. And then a 2nd wave to finish things off.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
Correct.
@Mobius118 Жыл бұрын
Matrix, the man of the hour. Well done today :)
@some.randomdude Жыл бұрын
Gotta love a new Grim Reapers vid. Great content Cap, keep it up!
@dexlab7539 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely LOVE IT when Cap goes into Heavy Breathing when things get exciting!!! 😆
@brianwright9514 Жыл бұрын
My only real critique on this simulation is that, I don't think either side would wander into the MAR. I think the US would stage their flights at 40 mile waves. They would come in with their tanks on, maximize their speed, fire the first, maybe second wave of missiles, and then go back to the tanker and let the next wave take over.
@brianwright9514 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith I think this highlights exactly why fights like this won't ever happen. Losing this many aircraft/pilots is simply unacceptable and would be a huge strategic cost. The Americans wouldn't go in unless they could mitigate the SAM threat first. And if they had a range advantage with their missiles, they would arrange their order of battle to fully exploit that advantage.
@xenaguy01 Жыл бұрын
Before discussing tactics, we must first define each side's objectives. Here, the objectives for each side were apparently _"Shoot down all the other guys."_ That's not a realistic objective.
@markhamstra1083 Жыл бұрын
@@xenaguy01 Winning conditions not being defined is what allows someone to be a douche by not engaging in the fight and then declaring at the end that he has won.
@bushyiscool2 Жыл бұрын
Everything about this was really cool. But one point of improvement I would recommend is not giving the RED TEAM info when u spectate. I noticed on more than one occasion when you would pass on info which is just unfair.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Noted.
@patricktracy4371 Жыл бұрын
Love the work yall do, but what cant be modeled in DCS are the 70 years of training, cycle after cycle. The generational knowledge gained from this experience would destroy Russian air force. Money spent on training is money that wins engagements.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Yup agreed, not really modellable in game.
@off_grid_javelin Жыл бұрын
you do know that these same "afghan-iraq vets" tried to volunteer for ukraine, but ran within a week when went to the front line, I guess all that training is only good when expensive air support and mass destructive air to ground weapons are looking after you.
@patricktracy4371 Жыл бұрын
@@off_grid_javelin Sample size too small to over generalize like that, but the fact before us is No effective Russian air force, ground forces? Yea right, Navy? Proof is in front of you, and yea US does have massive air power and it knows how to really use it, we've been paying the price every year, training budget, exercises, real world combat. Russian oligarchs pocketed the money that should have been used in training etc.
@mgplaying8435 Жыл бұрын
"You can´t notch at that aspect - ... Shows what I know..." Made me laugh hard...
@Maeyanie Жыл бұрын
For stuff like this, when it's all about the air war, it might be better to not let the humans respawn.
@keithwhitney1648 Жыл бұрын
Great battle, need to add Wild Weasel planes to force the slackers into the fight sooner.
@flickingbollocks5542 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how Mig - 31 would perform.
@some.randomdude Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see that.
@MrDJAK777 Жыл бұрын
While the mig31 did have a ridiculously powerful radar, it's still older and is now outranged by the agp82 AESA modern f15s have so the mig-31 wouldn't have any advantage even if it had longer range missiles. And they can't turn for shit, low chance they'd be able to avoid any fox3.
@rebelliousfew Жыл бұрын
With It’s massive long range Sledgehammers and speed, put enough Mig-31’s In the air, and that American air wing will lose quite a bit of planes, all without the Russians losing a single aircraft.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Mig-31 and F-14B are/were epic planes BUT I'm 99% sure they are outclassed by 2020s radars/missiles.
@flickingbollocks5542 Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers I thought the speed a missile was launched was very important in this scenario....
@billthrasher3587 Жыл бұрын
Is the F15EX modeled? If not how do you think they would do in this scenario being missle trucks for F22s?
@jonathanmcalroy8640 Жыл бұрын
Came to say this. Only some F15s are being upgraded as the EX is being rolled out.
@lowtdave Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the f-15ex and f-35 or 22 combo is going to be intimidating for sure.
@Silo-Ren Жыл бұрын
@@lowtdave yep, that's gonna give the enemy something to think about.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Yes but having a few troubles with EX at moment. Will try to get her fixed.
@sasquatchycowboy5585 Жыл бұрын
I think the correct term is wipe the floor with.
@nikkolts2610 Жыл бұрын
Being too aggressive costs lives!!! 1. Move in... shoot... 2. move out 3. Gain SA 4. Move in again
@jamison884 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and it appears the human factor played a huge role even when they are such a minority of the force. I think this shows why the US has the F-15E and F-15EX jets too, as they are the US missile trucks carrying 10+ long-range missiles. As Cap said, a large-scale air war like this is not likely to happen, especially just heading straight into each other. But, if this ever did happen, the USAF has the numbers to go up against any opponent at a 2-to-1 advantage, whether it's 4th-gen or 5th-gen.
@MrDJAK777 Жыл бұрын
And growlers/f16s with alllll the pods + F35s and their barracuda system. Pods are still crazy effective, keep getting better and when used right let 4th gens accomplish things that previously would have needed a 5th gen/stealth airframe to achieve. And besides the F35s own insane EW capability, it'd probably be far better at shooting down missiles then modeled. It's DAS is fully automated and in tests shown the ability to track/achieve solutions on 120/155mm tank* rounds, and can track ballistic missiles out to nearly 500 miles. Just a matter if it's own weapons have the needed performance.
@tomkelly1017 Жыл бұрын
Simba, 421 TFS black widow here, I don’t play but watch your vids. Capt I find your entertaining
@Istandby666 Жыл бұрын
Violet didn't say Hi, because you only asked the guys to say Hi.,.lol Thank you violet.
@smokeyjoe1034 Жыл бұрын
Well boys, as far as this virtual battle is concerned, the F-15 just lost it's zero combat loss record that it once held.
@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын
With the way things are going in avionics and aircraft costs, I could see the F-22/F-35 being the "High" in the mix and reduced observability versions of legacy designs (F-15, F-16, and F/A-18E) making up the "Low" in the mix.
@Dan-iv9tg Жыл бұрын
Matrix is deluding himself. It was a draw. And I think the last 30 years of war (Gulf War, Ukraine) have shown that both the tech and training give western air forces an embarrassing advantage.
@flickingbollocks5542 Жыл бұрын
Which Western planes in the Ukraine conflict have an "embarrassing advantage"?
@Dan-iv9tg Жыл бұрын
@@flickingbollocks5542 no, western tech
@skislope4218 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith Can they be produced as quickly? - Yes. The western industrial base is incomparable.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith The USSR could churn out huge numbers of aircraft and the likes of MiG and Sukhoi designed aircraft accordingly to play to the strengths of Soviet manufacturing and technology, as well as deal with the conditions they would face and the ability of ground crews to maintain them. Russia can't churn out large numbers of aircraft so while their designs may be simpler and theoretically easier to mass produce, it doesn't happen in practice. Their Air Force hasn't done a good job of suppressing Ukrainian SAMs though, so while they've done the important job of restricting enemy using air power, they're losing more aircraft than they should.
@pogo1140 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith Which Russian gen 4 aircraft has been built with over 2000 units? Last I checked more F-16's were built (using the serial numbers, 5,668 aircraft) than all the Russian 4th gen fighter aircraft combined
@wardaddy7124 Жыл бұрын
There are a couple of things i noticed in this video- 1) the russians now that americans have better range missiles and radars 2) the russians also know they have longer range SAMs 3) the russians won't be stupid to go and fight americans on fair terms Conclusion - the russian air force is designed to work within or near their SAMs and the defend their territory and bomb the front line they would never meet the americans in an open field like the scenario showcased (I WOULD ADVISE THAT THE RUSSIANS SPWANED DEEEPER IN THEIR SAM NET AS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PREVENT GROUNDSTRIKES AGAINST THEIR ASSETS) meanwhile the americans have to attack and thus inherently need to go closer to russian SAMs.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
If Russian SAMs were as good as they claimed - they'd still be in control of snake island. Russian kit only works in DCS. It's hopeless in the real world.
@Rover200Power Жыл бұрын
A fresh off the line F-14A would probably be able to achieve air superiority over the Russians at this point.
@philiphall4805 Жыл бұрын
for about 10 mins
@Rover200Power Жыл бұрын
@@philiphall4805 10 minutes is plenty of time to spaff off some AIM-54As and RTB for more.
@rebelliousfew Жыл бұрын
Just as long they stay out of S-400 SAM nets, they stand a fair chance. But, remember, It’s about skill and experience, not the plane itself. Put a real shitty pilot In a F-22 and have him face off a Russian ace who knows his Su-27 and what It’s limitations are, that Su-27 will more than likely win by skill and experience, not technology.
@philiphall4805 Жыл бұрын
@@Rover200Power I think the Russians are demonstrating air superiority will not win a war
@Utubesuperstar Жыл бұрын
Lmao a p51 could do it
@Theredmengroup Жыл бұрын
On the ai, I wonder if Nvidia could do one of their machine learning experiments with DCS instead of Minecraft.
@MrDJAK777 Жыл бұрын
I know you said you don't see much point in a bigger version of the stealth vs Russia air but what about a full stealth airwing vs a full Russian air wing defending a Russian carrier group.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Ah, got something coming up for that.
@akivirus7020 Жыл бұрын
Matrix showing off why he is a real Ace
@RedneckRapture Жыл бұрын
I think this isn't an accurate depiction. For the russian side it may be, sending up their fighters to engage the US fighters. The Americans would have sent in an air wing to engage the Russians and a SEAD strike to take down the SAM sites at the same time, if not a missile strike from their navy. The Americans don't send in just fighters. I would also call it an American victory anyway because the Russian commanders would not have allowed their pilots to cheese it and hang back while their other pilots were fighting and dying. They have this thing about their people seeming to display cowardice in the face of the enemy.
@The340king Жыл бұрын
Mass of fire is a component of battle. The lack of missiles on the American planes was the deciding factor.
@gdlonborg Жыл бұрын
Amateur observation: In addition, this outcome was more or less predictable, given that a longer term strategy would have included refuel, resupply, and logistics back at the base. I'd guess it's a moot point, as the USAF would use stealth at the tip of the spear, and attrit the enemy air defense network early on, or use guided missiles to do the same. In either case, it's still very entertaining to see 4th gen vs 4th gen, and how it was seen as untenable decades ago.
@Stinger522 Жыл бұрын
If not for the S-400 net, the Eagles and Vipers would've cleared the Flankers from the skies but they would still suffer losses.
@henrygibson9613 Жыл бұрын
Great fight CAP! Your progress is amazing and such an interesting outcome, here are just a few ideas I thought of while watching, I'm by no means an expert but some thought led to these, they may interest people. I think this shows the Russian numbers doctrine vs the USAs tech doctrine is really interesting in a defensive role for the Russians. A bit like the stealth f35s for attack and murder for mass defense. If the Russians were attacking, then they would have to sacrifice missiles for fuel like the F15s in this vid having 6 AMRAAMs not 8. That would maybe be a delta of min 32 missiles maybe up to 64 for the American's advantage in defense. Then again, a sprinkling of maybe 4 F22s with 24 stealth AMRAAMs would also create a big difference in result. I completely understand how much time and effort these sims take to make but a few different scenarios based on this one just with different aggressors or slight changes in airframe models would be fascinating to watch! I can only hope they are made one day!
@randalljones4370 Жыл бұрын
@34:35 "Will there ever be airwing vs airwing?" Me: I think that's the concept behind having a stealthy human-shepherd and a flock of missile-packing drones. You get the mass number of long-range shots (AIM2xxx) on little bombtrucks while risking a limited number of humans. DAMN !! The dodges @40:00 are insane !! ... when it comes to picking a Dodgeball team, I'm taking Violet Moon. Brainz, Guts. Aggressive as hell. Matrix and Simba are great, but methinks they have less upside potential. Violet is a hyperbolic beast. (am I baiting the guys? Nah, never. LOL)
@dshupac Жыл бұрын
Get well soon Cap.
@warangel19761 Жыл бұрын
Damn... Matrix went full beast mode!!!
@suecobandito8954 Жыл бұрын
Mod suggestion: AT-37 Flying Dog Whistle. Cessna AT-37 Dragonfly was a side by side trainer used forever by USAF. Combat tested I believe in Vietnam. Good video. Cheers.
@simba1113 Жыл бұрын
if you have a link to a flyable one it may be possible. the only one I have seen so far is AI only
@stevenbroome2520 Жыл бұрын
I'm stationed at Spangdahlem, i see the F16 pilots everyday interesting scenario.
@tiadiad Жыл бұрын
48:31 ooooooooh say can you seeeeeee
@scottsauritch3216 Жыл бұрын
No F15C's ARE ALL BEING REPLACED BY F15EX's WHICH FEATURES AN/APG-82, Which Leverages AN/APG-81 as the base likely with couple hundred less T/R Modules, but still gives Pilot the same/similar SA as F35 as it uses same/based off F35's computer... Edit: Correction, the F16s new AESA AN/APG-83 is what's based off F35 radar...
@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын
Lmao I think the nerf of the S-400 should remain! It would have been cool to see a mix of SU-30SM's and SU-35's on the Russian side and few Super Hornet's on U.S. side
@mrlodwick Жыл бұрын
Brill, thank you. Violet is all powerful!
@toptenguy1907 Жыл бұрын
Matrix is becoming the Ace and Violet is the number 1 Rookie
@smokeyjoe1034 Жыл бұрын
The Su-35Ses did very well against the F-15s/16s.
@jamison884 Жыл бұрын
I'm making this comment at the 20:00 mark where you're asking for predictions. One thing that isn't factored into this is the quality of training and the number of flight hours training each year. I don't think there's much dispute internationally (except in Russia) that US pilots have the overall training advantage. How to model that in DCS? Not too sure.
@QuentinStephens Жыл бұрын
The AI was set to expert on both sides. Decrease the AI setting to model a lower level of training. That said, Russian pilots are currently getting a lot of actual air-ground combat experience...
@jamison884 Жыл бұрын
@@QuentinStephens I'm aware of the settings but this doesn't work because Cap is (rightfully so) going for more realism and not less. "Expert" AI may actually be somewhat representative of Russian pilot skills (not really, but closer to real life than expert is for the US). For example, actual US pilot skills and tactics would be far, far superior to the DCS AI. They certainly wouldn't be charging into the center in huge clumps and having their entire air wing getting within range of about 320 R-77 missiles when each of their own aircraft carries fewer AIM-120Ds. I know it's too much to ask for real tactics and skill because we honestly have no clue as to how good these guys are so it can't be modeled, but it's surely better than what we currently see.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Technically you can change the skill level of each faction BUT I'm not sure it's something I want to start doing.
@jimjustus4867 Жыл бұрын
This is the GR we all want to watch! WTG guys!!!
@QuentinStephens Жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised at the result. Aggressors typically require a 3:1 advantage.
@neilwilkins9002 Жыл бұрын
cheers for the video guys, real interested in how you tweek the game to achieve this...must learn more
@5Andysalive Жыл бұрын
So it's confirmed: Simba is a real guy!
@simba1113 Жыл бұрын
not sure if thats confirmed yet. I still have my suspicions about that guy.
@phill5917 Жыл бұрын
Should have put R-37M's on the Su-35.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Fair comment.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers It's not a fair comment - there's literally zero chance of a R-37 hitting a fighter sized target making any attempt to avoid engagement. R-37 was designed to take out AWACS and large cruise missiles. It cannot turn hard enough to engage fighters. R-37 is massively over-powered in DCS.
@rarejavelin6547 Жыл бұрын
Matrix going absolute god mode
@andersonlmjr Жыл бұрын
An absolute joy to watch.
@golfinguy423 Жыл бұрын
Oh god hearing for and angels in a BRAA call is like having John Wick shove a pencil into my ear
@rubiconnn Жыл бұрын
39:17 Grump's bitching betty sounds like it's deep fried lol
@jouniairplanevideos Жыл бұрын
Could you make a series of videos with current and future fighterjets for European countries? For example what if the RNLAF use F35's, Gripens, and AEW aircraft compare to only F35 and it's current view F16's? Or what if the German Airforce has F35, Typhoon and Tornado compared to the current Typhoon and Tornado? So what kind of improvement happened or which technology sucks. Because a lot of EU countries buy a view 5th gen jets or 4 and 4,5 jets. So basicly a small fleet for all tasks. But if you use stealth for air superiority and 4 or 4.5 gen for the "dirty" work how effective would that be compared to some stealth jets. Wich is more cost effective, sole stealth or stealth and 4, 4.5 jets. Great video guys!
@kevinmaki2504 Жыл бұрын
That was really cool. 😎
@Sorryishotyourdog Жыл бұрын
this was the best thing I have seen all day
@tobyw9573 Жыл бұрын
What about adding a wing of C-17s and B-1Bs with cruise and other missiles ?
@rogerrussell515510 ай бұрын
One of my gr favourites all the top names plus up and comers ...up there with the aircraft carrier landing competition
@AllTradesGeorge Жыл бұрын
I'd have to disagree with Damp's assessment. The stated objective is air superiority over the battlefield...you can't claim air superiority with a single fighter, especially when it's not even over the contested territory. He's the only survivor, sure...but he didn't really pursue the mission objective, either.
@francisvantuyle Жыл бұрын
It is not the aircraft. It is the pilot that makes the winner in a dogfight. The difference between the 4th Gen modernized fighter and a Russian 5th get fighter. Is not what you imagine. For Example the latest version of the F-16 is the F-16V. Which is a long ways away from the F-16C
@ALIEN1-3Blackout91 Жыл бұрын
The F15 when you get hight enough, around 30-35k+ feet in altitude, can burn for damn near forever, it's a fuel truck
@davidajayi1207 Жыл бұрын
s-400 are vastly overpowered in game, the 40N6 is only available in small numbers and is not used for fighter size targets
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Roger noted.
@stupidburp11 ай бұрын
When one side has extensive ground based air defenses the other should be provided with the means to suppress or destroy those air defenses. F-15E with JASSM-ER, MALD, and HARM for example could degrade the S-400s.
@jeremyparker9749 Жыл бұрын
That was cool!
@sedatedape315 Жыл бұрын
Good mission set up, as always. Any thoughts of running something like this but using US Naval aircraft? Updated F-14's and F-18's?
@jarjar684 Жыл бұрын
Like the ST21 Tomcat.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
wayyy ahead of you :)
@sedatedape315 Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers wOOt-WooT, or some happy noise like that 😁
@carlgill5134 Жыл бұрын
A flight of Americans will always have a wild weasel bird to hit sams
@kingjehukhan8541 Жыл бұрын
Matrix is the Darth Vader of this game
@off_grid_javelin Жыл бұрын
There's a reason why Americans have more fighter jets while russians have more missiles. BECAUSE one of them works and thinks like an invader, while the other one thinks like a defender in case of a BIG scale war. It's kind of a stale mate, USAF cannot win against russia in their home land, not even with nato (and vice versa obviously), they could have done something like they did in the middle east, but Russia isn't middle east. That's why they're trying to hit the Russian economy. No top 9 powers can win over each other's lands, they sure can defend theirs... Nuke today is the only option, which all 9 powers in this world possess to destroy the other, 5 of them only managed to come out as global powers because of nukes because their conventional capability sucked because of smaller area or little population or poverty too.
@Idontwantahandle6669 Жыл бұрын
Ukraine has S-300V systems operating in the conflict areas if you wanted to add further realism to future simulations.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Yeh I figured that out at last minute but didn't get to change it.
@ijxman5223 Жыл бұрын
Matrix is so good wth
@mazztothemax1888 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait till you release the mods!!
@ryanerickson8138 Жыл бұрын
More missiles benefit for Russia Better trio of pilots for Russia although only 2 fought Maybe this is why the F-15EX exists
@woolyimage Жыл бұрын
Any advance on a squadron of Sopwith Camels??
@Rover200Power Жыл бұрын
Only if it is called 266 Squadron.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
Let's not make things too one-sided! Russia needs to have a reasonable chance otherwise the video would be a bit dull.
@user-xs4of7gf9c Жыл бұрын
the su-35 has a much more powerful radar no35, although this should not affect the experiment, thanks anyway for the interesting videos)
@baggyunicycle494 Жыл бұрын
Hey GR! Love the content! I’ve been interested in the past vids of the US v.s. Different countries (mostly Russia) and I was wondering if you guys would ever release your Aim-120Ds and your radars so people like me could try it for ourselves? Thanks!
@Mobius118 Жыл бұрын
I believe he mentioned that in video, but they are still being worked on currently
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
yes but it's a long way off release.
@princefares7084 Жыл бұрын
Today the comments are salty because of the results of the video relax dudes its just Sim , in reality no one can predict the end result. Salute to Matrix I love his performance in the Flanker .
@happysalesguy Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, in the real world, the US made 2 huge mistakes: Not modernizing and adding some stealth to the F-15, and not buying Super Tomcats and modernized Phoenixes.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
You can't really add stealth to the F-15 without redesigning it to the point that it's a totally new aircraft. Just putting radar absorbent materials in the skin doesn't get round the unfavourable geometry of the airframe and those exposed fan blades at the front are going to light up like a christmas tree on radar. I can also see why they didn't buy the Super Tomcat - the long range radar wasn't really necessary when you can use AWACS and data links, the fundamental design of the plane was very dated and had numerous issues, and Phoenix was a missile designed for missions that no longer existed and could only be carried by one plane which makes them expensive and a logistical headache.
@MrDJAK777 Жыл бұрын
The f22 IS the modernized F15 with stealth coating and design. It was just too costly and without peer/threat at the time for them to buy anymore.
@happysalesguy Жыл бұрын
@@trolleriffic 2AM is no time for a research project, but as I recall, Boeing proposed the F-15SE Silent Eagle which was going to be reasonably stealthy (canted tails, RAM, internal storage plus external when stealth wasn't needed, and they must have shrouded the fan blades, not that hard.) It would have been a worthy addition to the air fleet. As for the F14 Super Tomcat, Grumman would have addressed the maintenance issues and the shitty engines. I don't know why you think the mission for an upgraded Phoenix is gone, Russian and Chinese missiles outrange the AARAM and there are always AWACs to kill. My two cents.
@djzoodude Жыл бұрын
I think IRL the Americans would win this fight, even if they just had 4th Gen jets. These Russians had an unrealistic level of skill, and the Russian SAMs are unrealistically good if Ukraine is anything to go on. The Russian military is apparently vastly undertrained compared to the US military, and their equipment is not only inferior, but apparently really poorly maintained. The modern Russian military is just simply not a real threat to the United States military. Also, if this were real, the US would have used stealth aircraft. There are like 500 F-35s in the US inventory, they would definitely be used. Plus both the F-35 and the F-22 are being deployed to Eastern Europe. This kind of fight is basically exactly why the US built the F-22 and the F-35. Both those planes would go through the Russian SAM net as if it wasn't even there. The US wouldn't even send in any 4th Gen planes until the stealths neutralized the Russian SAMs. As your previous videos have shown 5th Gen vs 4th Gen is just a one sided slaughter. A 4 ship flight of F-22s could probably take out that whole Russian wing, and two 4 ship flights definitely could. A squadron would be overkill.
@stuartgooding7295 Жыл бұрын
yes ..have you seen how shit .there airforce is ...they could even get air superaty..over Ukraine...with a 30 to one advantage!!! ...we give them for to credit!!!
@thedausthed Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith You blind or something? They have been bomb Ru forces.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith They don't need to bomb Russian tanks when they're knocking them out by the thousand, or their crews are just abandoning them. Russia is down to mobilising T-62s at this point and not even the good ones.
@dgthe3 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Smith Then Ukraine also has air superiority since the Russians aren't doing so well when it comes to bombing Ukrainian tanks. And if they both have it, I'm not sure that it can be called 'superiority'. To me, that sounds more like a stalemate.