Could US 7th Fleet Strike Chinese Navy In Shanghai harbor? (WarGames 181)

Could US 7th Fleet Strike Chinese Navy In Shanghai harbor? (WarGames 181) | DCS

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We've previously run several war games where the PLAN strikes US bases and harbors, now we do the reverse and simulate the US 7th Fleet with her F-35 and Super Hornet jets striking PLAN ships in Shanghai ports. Will they be able to penetrate? the strike starts with over 200 ADM-160B MALD decoys being fired, followed by 72 AGM-158C LRASM anti-shipping missiles.
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@blueskiestrevor5200 8 ай бұрын

My biggest complaint about these series of videos is about the way attacks are undertaken. No Navy or Air Force would every launch their aircraft in such a piecemeal fashion. The long accepted strategy has been to have aircraft take off and form up over the carrier before attacking as a single wave, or in groups from different directions. You guys actually did something like this when you recreated The Dance of Vampires. The defenders might send their planes out one or two at a time if it's a surprise attack. But when you have a carrier vs carrier battle and both sides are expecting a fight they would launch all planes first out of range then move in as a group. I understand this might not be possible yet with DCS and the AI available but I figured I would give some import. Keep up the amazing work!

@up4open 7 ай бұрын

With modern radar and missiles, "out of range" is getting to be further than the planes can fly. I do think Cap could send a couple of wing up and have them path, but if the goal is surprise on those ships, with satellite, subs, radar, and other imaging tech, the first wing up is going to set alarm bells all over. Neither side would have much success with an hour warning. All those ships would be at stations and extra gear would be online.

@JG-PyroTX 7 ай бұрын

@@up4open The F35s would definitely be out of detectable range. They could have plenty of time to get in formation undetected.

@larswilms8275 8 ай бұрын

for anyone wondering. 0.05 m2 is slightly less then the size of A4 paper, or Letter size in the US. 0.002 m2 is that same paper folded in half 5 times. just to give you some idea of how much the stealth can disguise a jet plane.

@clangerbasher 8 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@sbjchef 8 ай бұрын

as a responsible radar operator I would tell my boss that I had a bumble bee doing mach 1

@donkeysunited 8 ай бұрын

0.05m = 5cm = 2" 5cm x 5cm is a lot smaller than a sheet of A4 paper. I don't know if he's confusing m2 with square meters. Still very small.

@larswilms8275 8 ай бұрын

@@donkeysunited its the radar cross section. that is an area. Of course it is in square meters. In the video it is written with a superscript 2. I just didn't bother to find out how to do that in the comments. Heck, Supercap mentioned square meters for the unit. How the [sensored] did you miss that.... shigh So A4 paper is 21.0cm by 29.7 cm, or 0.21m by 0.297 m zo the area is 0.21 x 0.297 = 0.06237 square meters which is an 24% overshoot of the given radar cross section of 0.05 square meters. folding it double 5 times halves the area five time so 2^5 = 32 times in total. 0.6237 / 32 = 0.1949... square meters. less than 3% off There happy now.

@larswilms8275 8 ай бұрын

@@sbjchef more like a butterfly going mach one. How is the speed measured by radar anyway. is it redshift of the signal, i.e. doppler effect? Or a complex matrix calculation of all the reflection points of two following sweeps?

@mrgoober6320 8 ай бұрын

Hard to imagine the US only sends one carrier. Heck, we've got two near Israel at the moment.

@hughmungus2760 8 ай бұрын

Maybe this was a surprise attack? Otherwise all the ships in harbour would have been manned.

@Solidus286 8 ай бұрын

they would probably send stuff from Hawaii, Guam, Thailand...

@flyingtanks9313 8 ай бұрын

@@Solidus286 you would probably have china move hundreds of AA batteries to shore and man all ships at that point

@Solidus286 8 ай бұрын

@@flyingtanks9313 you're probably right

@masakari 8 ай бұрын

Retired carrier sailor here - we wouldn't. We often have two carriers in the vicinity - one stationed in Yokosuka and one deployed for WESTPAC. Both would be used to guarantee success. Aircraft were too strung out in this scenario. Limitations of the AI I suppose.

@1pgcb3 8 ай бұрын

Just found your channel last night, been binging these war game eps, fascinating stuff! The simulation aspect is amazing to see, subbed! P.S. I feel very valued after watching these

@bpop2148 8 ай бұрын

Yeah these are great to watch!

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

Welcome. Enjoy!

@dexlab7539 7 ай бұрын

Welcome to the GR family 😊

@jmtpolitico80 6 ай бұрын

These guys make some good videos! I found them a year ago and it has been my main channel ever since. I watch Growling Sidewinder also but am not a member, and watch Long Shot also but not a member. The only one I think deserves to be paid is Grim Reapers. It's fully unscripted unlike the other two channels I mentioned, and CAP comes up with some great Historical Missions and just missions for fun. But they are all educating! I certainly like to know where all of our tax dollars go and how good the kit is that was bought...

@tholdaranvilfury4633 8 ай бұрын

This is asking a lot... but i would LOVE to see a new series from you guys. an entire war game in the pacific! each video is an battle like this, that affects the future battles! that would be really cool!

@exidy-yt 8 ай бұрын

Cap, you NEED to limit the number of respawns a human has in these wars, otherwise the 'science' of the attack is completely disrupted by Dark (as an example) wiping out LRSMs, getting wasted then repeatedly respawning with full fuel and ammo, something no one else can do. I understand the need to keep it interesting or players won't turn up, but a cap of 3 (5?) lives will help keep balance plus encourage pilots to stay alive.

@gctzx 7 ай бұрын

I was about to post the same thing. It's stupid. No more re spawns when the AI are destroyed or gone.

@up4open 7 ай бұрын

The thing is that human pilots would have done the same thing if they launched later. Yeah, there's an argument about situational awareness, but if someone is attentive to the radio and briefings are legit, by the time he's back up it's about the same.

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

Way ahead of you. Going to remove the humans from these big games altogether. They don't really want to play these anyways.

@nicolivoldkif9096 7 ай бұрын

@grimreapers If that is what they want fine, but a simpler method might just be reduce the number of AI by 3-4 per player. That way they represent the pilots getting up in the air layer instead of freebie aircraft.

@exidy-yt 7 ай бұрын

@@grimreapers SO glad to hear it! The big battle sims are often the most interesting to watch, and it can be frustrating seeing humans doing human things and messing up the intended result. Can't wait to see upcoming events!

@dfgdfg_ 8 ай бұрын

Shanghai was my favourite city when i visited China in 2007. Lovely and warm but with a nice sea breeze

@deathdrone6988 8 ай бұрын

What would be great to include is Chinese land-based anti-ship missiles which are a crucial part of Chinese naval deterence like the DF-17 hypersonic glide vehicles, DF-23 ballistic missiles and maybe older subsonic ones too.

@hengcao1129 8 ай бұрын

they cannot simulate this, because nobody knows how the hypersonic glider works exactly, especially that part called "whole trajectory maneuver"....what is df-23? df-21 df-26 i think

@lmn6335 8 ай бұрын

It's not fun to finish the battle in 3 minutes

@dsong2006 8 ай бұрын

Not only that, China has >200 landbased HQ-9 systems, the probability that none are deployed in their biggest city where their naval ship yard is also located is practically zero

@ashblythe9598 8 ай бұрын

How do you think they're gonna manage to bring glide vehicles in DCS lmao

@willwozniak2826 8 ай бұрын

@@lmn6335🤣🤣

@ArchAngel-FJB 8 ай бұрын

All the Chinese sailors were at an all you can eat Chinese buffet and couldn't make it back to the ships in time. Everyone loves a good Chinese buffet.

@josvercaemer264 8 ай бұрын

'Cap', your social rating score has gone down 100 points. Xi not happy 😂

@justanotheroglesby2847 8 ай бұрын

Lol Surprised the 50cent aren’t in here for easy money.

@joek7031 8 ай бұрын

+100 cia credit

@josvercaemer264 7 ай бұрын

@@joek7031 对

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

Dang it!

@junma4137 7 ай бұрын

Chinese anti-carrier weapons not taken into count: Land-based: DF-21,DF-26 Air-based: H6K + YJ-18, J16, J10 Sea-based: Carrier Task Group + J15, 055 + YJ-21, 052D + YJ-18, 093B Nuclear Sub + YJ-18, 039B AIP Sub

@oso1165 6 ай бұрын

This is the same for both sides. Limits of dcs

@johnsilver9338 6 ай бұрын

Most importantly electronic warfare is not present. Anti-ship missiles like DF-21 and YJ-18 with only a single terminal active RF seeker can be jammed or spoofed. While both Tomahawk Block Va MST and LRASM have a secondary passive RF seeker that will do well even in a high degree of electronic warfare present.

@onetime8424 8 ай бұрын

Watched all the way through! Loved this one! Thank you all for these awesome videos!

@-Ripcord- 7 ай бұрын

Easily one of my favorite GR vids in a while. Loved it and the new updates seemed to make quite the difference in some aspects.

@Ishawn.Ramaaj 8 ай бұрын

I’d love to see a futuristic US Navy Arsenal Ship strike to see what would’ve happened if they hadn’t cancelled it. They would be made up if a squadron of 2, and would be stealthy and hard to detect over the horizon. Each ship would carry about 500 missiles, so 1000 between the 2, made up of some sams as well as various attack missiles, like lrasm and probably some futuristic american hypersonic attack missiles. Maybe the type 055 would finally have some competition. Let me know if you see this or think it’s possible!

@willwozniak2826 8 ай бұрын

THE American Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile should be included in this time frame as well...plus the SM 6 BLOCK IB anti Hypersonic interceptor missile for defense.

@blueskiestrevor5200 8 ай бұрын

The Ohio SSGN kind of took over this role with 154 Tomahawk missiles. And the Ohio is much more stealthy so she can pop up anywhere and fire a missile salvo with no warning. I would like to to see them incorporate that into a DCS scenario

@Ishawn.Ramaaj 7 ай бұрын

@@blueskiestrevor5200 yes, but if i recall correctly the subs aren’t working very well. If they could get some subs to do a pop up attack with like 500 attack missiles that would be good too.

@Ishawn.Ramaaj 7 ай бұрын

@@blueskiestrevor5200 maybe it was when they tried to have the subs fire torpedoes, but k remember something with the subs being pretty scuffed 😂 I just thought it would be easier to do it with a surface ship

@blueskiestrevor5200 7 ай бұрын

@Ishawn.Ramaaj I haven't heard anything like that, but I suppose it's possible they have issues. I would still trade 150 missiles fried from a hidden platform vs 500 fired from a ship you can see coming hundreds of miles away. Surprise is the most important element in war. And imagine if they could fit the new LRASM into the Ohio class. Then, you could launch 150 stealth anti-ship missiles with no warning and sink an entire fleet

@cuz129 8 ай бұрын

It might be long, but it's super cool! Of course we are watching all of it!

@planetsec9 8 ай бұрын

I wish DCS would have a naval war update, also those tracers look soo good and way more entertaining

@chaimp0003 8 ай бұрын

What can I say other than lovely cap, great work 👏

@The136th 7 ай бұрын

China has over 700 Long Range SAM systems (HQ-9, S-300, etc.) on it's coast. Only 4 HQ-22 is quite unrealistic

@xxxdddn1202 7 ай бұрын

He makes unrealistic battles which only favor America that’s what he is.

@dexlab7539 7 ай бұрын

@@xxxdddn1202Not true - Cap has a bunch of videos where US/British lose. You need to watch more videos to see that

@user-ii7mo4wg5h 7 ай бұрын

别人就是想骗出脑袋一热的白痴透露情报在

@appa609 6 ай бұрын

@@dexlab7539But he definitely wants China to lose. He's cheerleading this whole video

@appa609 6 ай бұрын

Also, AIM-260 is a hypothetical weapons system at least a few years away from ioc. PL-15 has been in service since 2016 and is now fielded in large numbers. The US missile should have been AIM-120D-3

@j4s0n39 4 ай бұрын

I think the reason the US kill ratio is so low is that you're sending the planes one at a time to attack a group of enemies. The real Navy would get all the aircraft up, have them circling and tanking to maintain a high fuel load, then send in an overwhelming force, from multiple directions, in a coordinated attack.

@raptorblarg2284 8 ай бұрын

I think the reason a bunch of F-35s started dying they didn't RTB after running out of long range missiles

@alexis221092 8 ай бұрын

I love your channel so much my dear British Friend. Love from France

@pingmichael3106 8 ай бұрын

Oui oui hon hon hon 🐸

@dsong2006 8 ай бұрын

Surely for such an important city like Shanghai there would be some land based HQ-9 and/or S400 and short ranged SAM+CIWS system, also some land based YJ-83/12/18s for coastal defense. We are talking about one of the areas in China closest to Taiwan which has multiple layers of air defense and is one of the most difficult to penetrate areas in the world.

@AmirShafeek 8 ай бұрын

100% what I was thinking the Chinese won't allow the Americans to get that close to their coast and bot have more land based sam sites.

@dsong2006 8 ай бұрын

@@AmirShafeek also the landbased Chinese CIWS placement in this sim is horrible...its behind the ship and probably failing because its being blocked by the ship parked in the harbor. If the first open volley failed to take down the LRSAMs, they're probably not going to try to shoot through their own ship to take down the missiles. The Chinese air defense is set up for failure from the start.

@lmn6335 8 ай бұрын

Just a game, just have fun, this kind of fighting has no reference value

@AmirShafeek 8 ай бұрын

@lmn6335 I wish other Americans felt that way when they arw complaining about losing to Chinese and Russian assets im game. Everything I said simply could be fixed by adding more Chinese assets and games. I'm not asking you to change the radar cross section of anything. I'm not asking you to make any missiles more stronger. I'm just stating that from the get-go. The Chinese were at a major disadvantage. When we did the San Diego match, we mapped out where a bunch of American assets were up-and-down the coast of California and the surrounding states. I just find it kind of odd that we Don't do the same to China.

@outrider425 8 ай бұрын

@@lmn6335its boring when one side is set up for failure

@dnevill 8 ай бұрын

A good time as always!

@thomascloutier5962 4 ай бұрын

Hey Grim just started watching your videos, they’re awesome!

@killsomethin 8 ай бұрын

The special guest u picked in the video was a good one !

@the.just.able.biker67 7 ай бұрын

That was flippin' epic!!

@BasemanSr 7 ай бұрын

Nice successor to the SR-71! Love all the control surfaces!

@MaxwellAerialPhotography 8 ай бұрын

I think the Arleigh Burkes should have been launching BGM-109 Tomahawks as well against targets like the air defence.

@exidy-yt 8 ай бұрын

I don't think DCS can do that. (yet). Otherwise I agree.

@johnmcdonald5183 8 ай бұрын

Tomahawk block iv and v can target ships as well block v can target them while they're underway

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Chose a bad time to make this battle, currently Tomahawks not working in game, just spin in circles, didn't want to wait for game fix.

@RazgrizRed9 8 ай бұрын

Love the wargames Cap et al. Hope CH is working on a DDG(X) Model for the even more futuristic naval battles.

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

agreed

@dexlab7539 7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the slow build rate of US Navy, we won’t see it until 2035 at best

@blvck.8197 7 ай бұрын

2030@@dexlab7539

@DR-jq9bg 8 ай бұрын

Great video, Cap. It was well worth the length of video!

@muddybaron 14 күн бұрын

Quote of the day “don’t shoot the ships”-Japan

@MisterBaker5 8 ай бұрын

I think it's a behaviour thing. The F35B had the advantage in radar detection distance on the J20... they would/should have RTB'ed after firing the long range missiles.. espiecially considering what they cost.

@delphy2478 8 ай бұрын

you mean they wouldn't just keep charging headlong into the range where they could be seen and shot at? gasp

@vettepwrr 7 ай бұрын

very cool. thanks guys

@danhodson7187 7 ай бұрын

Awesome stuff as always. I hope the people's champ feels better soon!

@davidbaker231 8 сағат бұрын

Leaving out submarines is another major shortcoming of this exercise.

@brucescott7016 8 ай бұрын

I think it would be far more realistic to spawn the attacking aircraft in already flying and formed up for the attack. The dribs and drabs arrival of the US aircraft I think had a big impact on the AtoA kills and makes it easier for the Chinese to swat down all the missiles as they straggle in. It might be realistic for a defensive situation when carrier task force is surprised and has to scramble, but the USN certainly wouldn't attack like that.

@viaticchart3139 7 ай бұрын

Have you heard of the US navy unmanned overlord ship concept? it is meant to integrate into manned ship Aegis so they use the SMs from those ships before using up their own. they have already completed the first series of tests and have joined up with manned fleets in the pacific for further testing.

@alleycatsphinx 7 ай бұрын

So, the 0.003 is what a plane looks like to radar in ideal head on configuration. The knife like shapes deflect the radar away so it doesn't bounce back to the emitter - however, once a plane turns its whole flat body towards the emitter (like when evading) its unsurprisingly much less stealthy. Looks like they added spherical harmonics. : )

@alleycatsphinx 7 ай бұрын

Viewer Suggestion - do a video where you test detection ranges based on how a plane has it's body oriented to the radar. Controlling the orientation of a stealth jet is a huge tactical consideration, and cool addition to the game.

@idle_betazoid1990 8 ай бұрын

Well that was fun !

@dexlab7539 7 ай бұрын

Snoop Dog and Chicken - LOVED it 😂❤

@user-ft2zc5or9d 8 ай бұрын

Haven't seen Violet in a while, she leave the group?

@Davros-vi4qg 7 ай бұрын

Nope, they have life stuff going on 😮

@Anarchy_420 8 ай бұрын

I watched till the end ;) 👍👍

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

Yay! The hardcore.

@Anarchy_420 7 ай бұрын

@@grimreapers 😁✌

@donkeysunited 8 ай бұрын

The profile of the J-20 reminds me of the Firefox plane from the movie.

@garykelley9027 7 ай бұрын

It seemed to track, the F35's lost their advantage of cross section when they got too close to the J20s which is why that ratio closed up really quick.

@chris7361 8 ай бұрын

They’d launch every tomahawk torpedoe from subs before launching a single plane from a carrier

@arceuslee7087 7 ай бұрын

Where are J11s J16s & J10Cs....? Where are DF series missiles.....??? And in China attack video there were Arleigh Burke (US' mot advance destroyer), whereas this time there's no Type 055 active....?

@estonedreveldo735 7 ай бұрын

Hey cap, i have a really dumb question, is it possible to put sam missles on a plane? And if so, would it be effective to have say a sa-10 grumble missle fired from a plane instead of a ground launch, thanks for your time!

@justanotheroglesby2847 8 ай бұрын

I wonder what the new code will do with that thrustmaster competition.

@jimmymcgoochie5363 7 ай бұрын

34:10 that one MALD that just flew right past everything and off into the sunset…

@martythurman1960 16 күн бұрын

#4 Is Byron Scott. He was of the deadliest to ever play, along with being one of the best finishers.

@darthkarl99 7 ай бұрын

I'm guessing from the comments on the J-20 kinematics your using the WS-10 engined variants, not the newer WS-15 versions?

@John_SlideRule_Bullay 2 ай бұрын

Video Viewer Valued!

@JackVadasdi 5 ай бұрын

do you have a link to the assets you use?

@wilsonrawlin8547 7 ай бұрын

Love the missions you create, but you could've used B2s and B1s to send in tons of missiles within this mission.

@apolloaero 8 ай бұрын

If trying to do a 2025 carrier air wing, it would be 24 Super Hornets and 20 F-35C if it's one of the better equipped carriera. Most will have on average 10 F-35C until more become available. Then 5-7 Growlers and 4-5 Hawkeyes. Amongst other helos. For the America class amphibious assault ship, 20 F-35B is fine. If it were a mixed complement, it'd probably have 6 F-35B and a few AH-1Z for attack.

@jammiefortier1480 8 ай бұрын

is there any way to engage ships or ground targets with air to air missies. assuming ac have terrain radar.

@92HazelMocha 8 ай бұрын

That's a different type of radar. Air to air missiles work on the concept of pulse-doppler, meaning they find targets by looking at the change in velocity from the ambient environment. Radar guided air to surface weapons use millimeter wave radars (or something similar MMW is what we use in the US). Those look for specific patterns in the returns that match a target's profile. A Hellfire can tell the difference between a tank and a tree or a truck and a building, an AMRAAM cannot. Before you ask IR missiles use contrast so they look for tempature differentials and while a person might be warmer than the surrounding environment, it's not enough of a contrast for those weapons to work on ground targets.

@ianlopez2850 8 ай бұрын

11:38 F35-B is the Marine Corps variant and the flight deck is significantly smaller on an LHD or LHA and they don’t have catapults so they have to VTOL.

@Utubesuperstar 7 ай бұрын

No the stovl short takeoff vertical land. They tilt nozzle down 45 degrees full flaps lift fans and do a short takeoff. Plenty of videos to see online

@miauwgabriel3547 8 ай бұрын

Actually, the fujian may have hq 10s and 1130 ciws in addition to medium range systems.

@catcherjk5597 7 ай бұрын

the growlers can be mounted with aim-120s only they end wing tip jamers cant be replaced by aim-9s

@brianrotunno4650 7 ай бұрын

Very cool video. Only question is why is 7th fleet only the Reagan CSG. I sailed in 7th recently and I’m on a different carrier.

@Jon-da-bad 8 ай бұрын

that was bad ass.

@up4open 7 ай бұрын

Cap, those are sun-dog, not aurora, aurora borealis is the green stuff at night.

@bradleygraves5915 3 ай бұрын

Get well soon Simba.

@sfaceasterntheatercommand3299 4 ай бұрын

What about the DF series of anti-ship missiles? In order for the US 7th Fleet to gain an advantage I guess Grim did a lot of work.

@Power5 3 ай бұрын

Today I learned that only the F-35A has internal 25mm. So carrier ones can choose non stealth or to be like the original Phantoms and without a gun.

@jerled9376 7 ай бұрын

Greetings to ALL Grim Reapers!! I've been playing catch-up over the last few weeks and watching as the core game and your tactics have been evolving, very nice to see and certainly much more realistic now. A few points to mention, dammit Cap I DO watch the videos all the way to the end. Also, drink more Lemon/Ginger tea (with honey) and try some zinc tablets. Bird, Poushh, Dark, Simba - excellent flying, though maybe you should decide in game between yourselves who is to target the Awacs each session? Also, is it possible to dedicate one person for each side as Naval/Ground commander? Then tactics/strategy can change and update in-game? Finally - great job over-all, being a former military and avid board games strategist this is really nice to see everything in colour, motion and with nice details!!

@jamesmarciel5237 7 ай бұрын

11:38 It is because the F-35’s on onboard USS America (and other landing ships) are F-35B’s. This variant is the VSTOL version of the jet, not the F-35A which is the regular version. Also the F-35B’s onboard the Amphibious Assault ships are operated by the US Marine aviators, NOT US Navy pilots. The “B”’s are meant to support the Marines in an amphibious assault, so they are loaded more more for air-to-ground with only a limited air-to-air capability.

@chiefmcgrass 8 ай бұрын

FYI because you said you didn't know why they do - the F35B is made for the LHD's, and having vtol allows it to take off vertically on a ship deck with no catapult carrying much more capacity than it normally would be able to.

@Karkistoss 7 ай бұрын

They aren't able to fully utilise VTOL with a full combat load though. They would need to use the deck of the LHD for a short take off, and likewise for landing unless they'd burnt off a lot of fuel on mission and were returning much lighter.

@Ronck 4 ай бұрын

im freaking still watchinn

@billwhoever2830 7 ай бұрын

the 052Ds couldnt use their CIWS missiles, the first one barely fired a small percentage of its load would expect the only ships defending the port to be positioned so that they can fire their CIWS SAMs, especially after running out of the long range SAMs

@nQthing33 7 ай бұрын

Okay Cap, orders are in: Now with the new update, you aren't allowed to go to sleep for a couple of months. We are going need to see some rematches and some new scenarios of AC naval battles between the major nations.

@santinomoretti5838 8 ай бұрын

nice

@MisterRorschach90 2 күн бұрын

I am a little confused how the j-20 has a lower radar cross section in game than the f-35. I mean obviously we can’t know what the different materials and technologies being used are, but based on shape alone the f-35 would have a smaller radar cross section. The j-20 is basically shaped like non stealth fighters. If it truly does have a smaller cross section, they must be using some really nice materials and technologies.

@Archer89201 8 ай бұрын

Maybe Shangai gets more planes , AA and destroyers to protect it

@nikolanojic6861 7 ай бұрын

47:37 That's probabbly the Ground effect , lift is bigger when close to ground which probabbly pushed the rockets couple feet in the air !

@hughmungus2760 8 ай бұрын

I'd like to see some more in depth testing on what you meant by the stealth mechanic of the core game being changed.

@rileymorrisroe6743 7 ай бұрын

I agree, it realises steath, and will make it these aircraft more vulnerable.

@hughmungus2760 7 ай бұрын

@@rileymorrisroe6743 Okay so I read the whitepaper on the new DCS update. all they've done in incorporated a 'randomising' factor for RCS so that it spikes up and down periodically. It has nothing to do with frequency or aspect (disappointing) They've also incorporated a 'background noise' feature where very low observable aircraft can blend in with the background radar noise making them effectively invisible at all but point blank. Which might be realistic if you had frequency and aspect effects. But totally breaks the game without it. It would explain why LRASMs were only sometimes engaged but not always. And why J20s were sometimes shooting down F35s at ranges they shouldn't be able to see them at. Honestly if they just added RCS aspect, alot of the BS that makes people angry in these sims would go away. A F35 is over 100x more visible from the side than it is from the front. So IRL it would be detected at 3.5x the distance from side on. This is where tactics would actually make a difference and a Flanking or pincer attack would totally decimate any 5th gen airwing.

@rileymorrisroe6743 7 ай бұрын

@@hughmungus2760 Mostly agreed

@protorhinocerator142 7 ай бұрын

Here's my idea for a missile. You make a fairly large decoy missile that flies fast toward the enemy and then goes into limp mode. Once it enters their observable radar it flies much slower and tries to stay at the periphery of their range, maybe flying sideways. We'll call this missile the "Platypus". It has the ability to change its radar signature. It can look like an anti-ship missile, a B-52, or any other high value target. Once an enemy missile gets close enough to really knock it out of the sky, it goes super stealth and enters glider mode. Make it as stealthy as possible from all angles, and uses body lift alone to stay airborne. Once the threat has passed it morphs back into a B-52 or F-15 or anything else that would cause them to launch all their missiles at it. Meanwhile you have several more of these in the air at any given time, so there's always a better target "over there" for the enemy missiles to try to lock onto. Yes, human intervention would be able to deduce that these are not real B-52's converting into F-15's, but any automated defense would be perplexed by it. You send these out in advance of the real attack force to deplete the enemy defenses. And if a few platypi get shot down, oh well.

@gelilloabad 7 ай бұрын

Hey, first, love your videos, I am danger of spending more time watching you guys playing DCS than myself actually playing DCS. One thing: so often the carrier planes get stuck taking off and I see you picking up an F15 or something and gunning them down. Question: Have you tried just having an M163 Vulcan on deck and using that instead?

@brianwesley28 8 ай бұрын

Depending upon how well the Chinese interfaces and data links are, the J-20's with no remaining misisles could begin to return to base and VID the MALD tracks along the way for the land based SAM's so the SAM's won't bother to engage tracks positively VID'd as MALD?

@j4s0n39 4 ай бұрын

Don't forget that even though the Naval Air Force is the second largest in the world the US has an air force even larger: the US Air Force. Some C-130s or C-17s taking off from Guam or Okinawa and dropping a few Rapid Dragon palates each could help the USN overwhelm the harbor. They'd also likely use their F-22s to clear the airspace first. This attack force is smaller than the strike force that went after Baghdad, which had a tiny fraction of the air defenses of Shanghai. US military doctrine is to overwhelm the enemy with superior numbers and superior tech. Nobody has ever accused the US military of half-assing an attack.

@Nealetony 8 ай бұрын

What would be the equivalent for guam?

@michlo3393 7 ай бұрын

The ultimate flex wouldn't be any direct action. It would be the US sending its Navy anywhere it wants, and saying "haha, look what a REAL navy can do!" while the Chinese continue to bully fishermen 26 miles from port.

@James31USFPoly 8 ай бұрын

Cap: "This will be the longest video in the world and no one will watch it" Me, Mostly Drunk: "I'm watchin' it!"

@sonar357 5 ай бұрын

In reality, there'd also be F22s flying CAP and, likely, a C130/C17 or two launching Rapid Dragon, even as decoy missiles to deplete SAMs.

@ArchonShon 8 ай бұрын

We need Rafiki to lift Simba up! Get well soon man.

@anthonysacco5010 7 ай бұрын

AI refueling and rearming is very cool for those of us do mission creation

@jim.franklin 12 күн бұрын

I think the stealth capability of the J20 is being overstated according to reports "Current Air Force Chief of Staff General David Goldfein has compared the J-20 to the F-117, which reportedly had a radar cross section of 0.269 square feet, with reports suggesting that the J20 is no better that 0.15 square feet". That is from a report in Defence Weekly in 2018 - I cannot see the Chinese have made major changes to the airframe so it is unlikely that the stealth capability has improved. Further, they reported "The Air Force says the F-35 achieved 110 “kills” against “ nearest equivilent adversary aircraft” in Exercise Northern Lightning and achieved a 20-to-1 kill ratio in the early 2017 Red Flag exercise. Marine F-35Bs reportedly suppressed SAM sites without being targeted." The J20 is a poor cousin to the J35, but you also need to look at the sheet weight of numbers the PLAF and PLAN can field in any conflict, especially when coupled to other airframes they operate.

@tonythegreat4275 6 ай бұрын

I am stationed on the USS Ronald Reagan CVN76 right now funny enough. I was on it few hours ago.

@ZATennisFan 7 ай бұрын

There is a pretty good naval novel called "Seastrike" where such a scenario is played out.....

@GrumpyGamerGuy 8 ай бұрын

Good times! Now let's just redo everything you've ever done, so we can see all the new stuff work! Easy peasy ;)

@downix 5 ай бұрын

This reminds me of the book "Sea Strike" by James H. Cobb, only more realistic. In that book, a single Zumwalt class destroyer sails into the Yangtze river Delta, destroys a submarine, and sails out. Absolutely ridiculous scenario in an equally ridiculous book.

@gavin1506 7 ай бұрын

in Peace time, while they have a skeleton crew, it's VERY unlikely that anyone would be authorised fast enough to turn the systems on and be in any sort of battle. If this was in war time I'd agree that any fleet in dock would have systems able to be turned on. However in peacetime? can you imagine the damage caused by CIWS?

@GryphonArmorer 7 ай бұрын

It definitely seems like the AI target deconfliction is much better now.

@lilredhtx9700 8 ай бұрын

When are you doing a live event, even if it's just a set up

@grimreapers 7 ай бұрын

Friday 1900UTC *GR twitch Sat 1900UTC *Thrustmaster Twitch Sun 1900UTC *Thrustmaster Twitch Mon 1900UTC *GR twitch

@calvinlee1813 6 ай бұрын

Cap a heads up on VAQ Squadrons. Typically the CVW will field between 4 or 5 EA-18Gs. Misawa AFB/NAF will host EA-18Gs in the theater as well. At times VAQ-209 of the US Naval Reserve will forward deploy to Misawa, Iwakuni or Anderson AFB Guam as well. Typically there will be two VAQ squadrons in the Pacific Area of Operations.