Could US F-22 or F-15EX Protect NATO AWACS From Russian Mig-31 Over Black Sea? (WarGames 88)

Could US F-22 or F-15EX Protect NATO AWACS From Russian Mig-31 Over Black Sea? (WarGames 88) | DCS

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@samcruickshanks6856 Жыл бұрын

I want to see if you can fly a kamikaze drone into a S300 that's fully set up and protected by Shilkas and manpads like I'm told happened to the Russians recently

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Tried Shaheds here but don't perform very realistically in game: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rapygraVntendKc.html

@dshupac Жыл бұрын

Russians don't have shilkas anymore, tunguzskas and pantsirs. But i think it can't be modelled with low speed and low ir emission.

@somehecucunt3194 Жыл бұрын

@@dshupac They do have Shilka's still, just not a ton of em. At most like 133 in service.

@dshupac Жыл бұрын

@@somehecucunt3194 maybe somewhere in siberia, so itțs formally aaa. but i think the got out of service in the late 90's, early 2000

@robbob9273 Жыл бұрын

would love to see a 1988 nato vs soviet air clash with the same era of missiles, early f16,f18,f14 and f15 ...

@BravoCheesecake Жыл бұрын

Only the Russians would put the words "hyper-sonic" and "Air to air missile" together. Yes Ivan, that will surely be maneuverable.

@Zpmc69 Жыл бұрын

we dont need a bomber-killer to be maneuverable

@Idontwantahandle6669 Жыл бұрын

ICBM reentry vehicles travel at 23 times the speed of sound and can perform 30g maneuvers. So maneuverability shouldn’t be an issue for an air to air missile travelling at a fraction of that speed.

@urielmanzone1772 Жыл бұрын

@@Idontwantahandle6669tell me you don't understand physics without telling me you don't understand physics

@patewing5808 Жыл бұрын

Do you know definition what is hypersonic and I can tell ignoramus like you have no clue

@weasle2904 Жыл бұрын

@@Idontwantahandle6669 yeah because they're going at reentry speeds lol, not the same thing.

@mariusbehr925 Жыл бұрын

lol i was as surprised as GR when those MiGs opened so aggressively against the f15's, figured they'd crack off a few missiles at the awacs and retreat while taking casualties after killing the awacs but that clubbing was nuts, was also great to finally get an idea of what MiG 31 vs f22 encounters might actually look like

@aubreyjphilips9481 Жыл бұрын

Aim 260’s might have leveled the playing field with the F15-EX’s

@oddy1637 Жыл бұрын

Nope, watch previous vid.

@joshferrera Жыл бұрын

@@oddy1637 they discussed the 260 potentially making the difference in this video. What makes you say no?

@adamtheninjasmith2985 Жыл бұрын

A flight of F-15s flew right over my house on veterans day. At about 1000 feet and 400mph. It was epic!

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

nice

@krismurphy7711 Жыл бұрын

I would think that there are closer Fighters covering the AWACS?..... maybe one or two providing CAP??

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Fair point.

@billrich9722 Жыл бұрын

They're cranking like they fired missiles. I wonder why that might be.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

hmmm

@billrich9722 Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers I miss the military campaigns you guys did in the past. I know a lot of your guys got pissy over them but I found it endlessly interesting watching the planning, execution and resource management. Any chance you’ll be doing those again?

@timothybayliss6680 Жыл бұрын

I dont think that DCS models L band radar that both the AWAKS and the 31 would have. Although they cant really develop a firing solution with an L band because resolution is too coarse the Awaks operators would immediately know that its a stealth aircraft from the differential radar band returns and probably know its a pack of F22 based on the speed. There is a really good chance that the Mig31 would disengage or loft the missiles and guide them with their L band capacity. If you can get the missiles close enough for the active seeker to work this might be a different story. I think DCS cant model this as I have described

@92HazelMocha Жыл бұрын

There are no phased arrays in DCS, so yes you are correct, it is not modeled.

@flyingcactus1953 Жыл бұрын

Mig-31 doesn't have L band radar, Zaslon is an X-band radar with 1 line of L-band IFF system

@bobjones-bt9bh Жыл бұрын

this is correct and why these scenarios are of useless value. In addition, RCS is not modeled correctly.

@IRONIC1688 Жыл бұрын

I'm running out of superlatives, absolutely fabulous! They stopped production of the Raptor, big mistake.

@44lucas Жыл бұрын

Hey Cap, there are currently 12 Raptors stationed in Poland, more specifically in 32ndTactical Air Base in Lask. They are also training with Polish F-16s as they are transitioning to F-35s.

@djzoodude Жыл бұрын

There is a squadron of Raptors currently in Poland I believe.

@djzoodude Жыл бұрын

I think the Axehead is a bit overtuned. They are firing at extreme range and getting a high percentage of hits at those ranges.

@aaronbryant1008 Жыл бұрын

Its DCS, so...

@cucumberblyat Жыл бұрын

I really love your videos. Always feels like real life missions. Great job guys!

@palker4 Жыл бұрын

There are F-22 stationed in Poland right now. Dunno how many bu they are there. Also appeared on a few airshows in Poland, Czechia and Slovakia

@cryx4 Жыл бұрын

the r37 is scary but i think you guys shouldve been flying much more defensively. sitting at angels 40 flying in a straight line isnt the best way to fight hypersonics haha

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

They really didn't have too much choice. The MIG-31 is awfully fast and they had to do their best to intercept.

@willwozniak2826 Жыл бұрын

A great way to kick off a Sunday Bloody Mary Cocktail. Thanks Reapers!. Great job!!

@JZ909 Жыл бұрын

Against that sort of range, the F-15s were in a hard spot. Going cold was really the only option, then maybe flipping around real quick to take a couple shots before going cold again. Let that data link do its job. If DCS modelled jamming realistically, that might have also been a huge factor. F-15EXs have huge AESA radars, and I assume they double as powerful jammers, same as what the F-35 does.

@steveturner3999 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see the conformal fuel tanks used on the F-15 EX’s.

@HornetVF103 Жыл бұрын

Great Video. Considering this is a good scenario of what might happen over Ukraine you might want to consider adding a few E/A-18G Growlers out of Poland to protect the AWACS. The USN has a squadron of Growlers in Poland for electronic counter-measures. I believe the Growlers could help the USAF defeat the R-37Ms long enough for F-15EXs to get the job done.

@thetbnrtitanium007 Жыл бұрын

I do not believe area of effect jammers are modeled in DCS at this moment. If an EA-18G was to be added to a mission it would be for cosmetic purposes only.

@Davros-vi4qg Жыл бұрын

Yep!

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

F-15EX could potentially do the job of Growlers with only minimal systems integration and slapping on the appropriate pods as needed. It would actually do the EW job much better than a Growler because of more capable standard hardware such as mission computer, EPAWSS, radar, etc. Also it would have enough stores capacity to be adequately armed even in an EW configuration. EF-111 successor?

@RogerW9421 Жыл бұрын

@@stupidburp The F-15EX is for air dominance. It is in no way built for EW. The F-15 platform is not suited for this. Otherwise, I am sure that they would have made one.

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

@Roger Werneburg Jr. F-15C was built for air superiority. F-15E was built for ground strikes in contested airspace. F-15EX was built for cost effective support of stealth fighters. Note that the USAF has only shown interest in two seaters. This is to enable the flexibility for each aircraft to be used for a variety of tasks like a multitool. Fire support as a missile truck is one. Peace time visual range interceptions of unresponsive mostly civilian aircraft is another. Close range direct control if drones like loyal wingman is yet another task. My suggestion to use it as an EW platform fits in to that flexibility of use. Being derived from a highly capable air to air platform allows it to continue to have that capability too, whether for self protection while focusing on other tasks or as a primary use with these other uses as options. F-16 used to be the workhorse platform of choice because of lower cost of operations. Longer range, larger load capacity, and more volume for radar snd electronic warfare is the new necessity. That or stealth and sacrifice firepower, flexibility, and cost. A mix of stealth fighters and large utility fighters is the way forward. Leveraging a platform with excellent air to air record as a utility fighter makes sense. It was done before with the F-4, then F-16, and now the F-15.

@Wolfe351 Жыл бұрын

nice! Will watch this in 7.5 hours when I get up for work....lol

@mtiger03 Жыл бұрын

Great work!!! Would love to see a redo but with ground and sea based SAM.

@konbonwa Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't the US AWACS pilots turn cold and dive down onto the deck once their radar detected the Russian missiles coming at them? The F-15s would lose some or all of their AWACS targeting but the AWACS is a large value target and needs to run for cover if need be.

@c1ph3rpunk Жыл бұрын

Miggie Miggington started strong then had a really bad day, he needs to head to the pub.

@Barilla133 Жыл бұрын

RE your questions about Raptors in Poland - in fact there are some stationed over there since couple months ago. I believe a total of 6, but hey - it's something. There are some vids on YT of Raptors doing some manouver training with Polish F-16s and Italian Typhoons.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

thx

@Tenright77 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, Thanks Cap and Friends.

@neogenmatrix6162 Жыл бұрын

Well before the video starts I would like to say that the MiG-31 would be seen at an obscene range. It has the RCS of a large garbage truck. Should be neat to see. Also generally in hostile environment they always have rotating escorts.

@mrsheev9131 Жыл бұрын

More or less went as expected. The Raptor is king, and as obscenely powerful as the Foxhound is at BVR, the Raptor makes it look utterly hopeless, even with its incredible radar. As great as the Eagle is, the Foxhound makes it look similarly poor. I thought it was a miracle that you guys managed to splash even one Foxhound in the first round, so props to y'all for that. Imho, F-22>>MiG-31>F-15 w/ JATM>>F-15 w/ 120-D.

@linusrunge2678 Жыл бұрын

the Jatm doesnt exist though

@mrsheev9131 Жыл бұрын

@@linusrunge2678 It will soon enough, but not right now ofc.

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

EW could tighten up the gap between F-15EX and MiG-31 significantly but not in game.

@BBCRF Жыл бұрын

😂😂 В DCS очень много не моделируется в реальности Raptor давно бы видели на радарах на такой скорости

@stocktrader6129 Жыл бұрын

Damnit Britts! Angry American here… the only thing that’s annoying about this is those axes don’t have better sensors than the American missiles. Like u said it’s made to hit a whale not a fighter. Yet the sim has it as a damn tack driver and the aims are like lost ducks lol crazy man

@peterjones596 Жыл бұрын

So, Cap, you're very local to me... I guess you also see the F15's doing vectoring runs, including what must be very painful afterburn turns. Noisy buggers!

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

I love it, makes me happy every time they come over the Ely area :)

@peterjones596 Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Yeah, gotta agree! They're even better seen actually on Lakenheath when they do a quick circuit of the base or practice a scramble! For that joy you'll need to work in building.. Seen it manys a time, and an F15 makes a great hairdryer even at a 100 metres... Not that that's a concern of yours.. ;)

@primeministerprinz2695 Жыл бұрын

American here not angry at all i always like seeing someone who can take the americans on in a good fight. Its a shame there is bloodshed in this world.

@EntertaningAmerica Жыл бұрын

Out of all the aircraft in the Russian inventory, the MiG-31 is definitely the biggest threat. Ironically the MiG-25 was the biggest threat to Allied aircraft in Desert Storm.. despite the hype over the MiG-29. Speed is life..

@tj2264 Жыл бұрын

I’d be shocked in real life if we don’t have f22’s near the awac

@valuedhumanoid6574 Жыл бұрын

What's the old saying? Amateur's think about tactics, professionals think about logistics. Something to that effect. Can't remember where I heard that but it makes sense. That high tech missile is worthless unless the delivery vehicle can get there. In flight refuel planning, keeping the spare parts where the fast movers are, and even something as simple a food and water to keep your valued humanoids alive has to be considered. In Desert Storm the most valuable ground unit were the water buffalos the army brought. Without them, you got no army. There was that one story about the platoon of Abrams that were stopped by lack of filters for their turbines. The sand storms ate up their supply of filters and they couldn't move forward until new ones arrived. They were changing them every hour.

@michaelwicker9538 Жыл бұрын

Growling sidewinder did a very similar video... F22 vs mig 31 w/ axe head. The f22 struggled more than it normally does, a very interesting fight. This looks like an exciting take on it.

@GryphonArmorer Жыл бұрын

No body tried to evade the ax heads. And... I’m pretty sure between the F-15EX and the AWACS there would be active jamming/electronic countermeasures to confuse the enemy radar. Also, the F-22 is supposed to have supercruise, which greatly increases fuel efficiency.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

They dropped down on top of us, we never had a warning or a chance.

@GryphonArmorer Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers I thought you guys had tracking through the AWACS? Do you not get a locked tone? I’ve seen y’all evade those things in other videos. Do you not have chaff available? Roll over, pop flare & chaff pull hard nose down, break left or right coming out 5-10k feet lower an 90 degrees to your original vector then you can break back towards the shooter. Just have to make the missile bleed kinetic energy till it’s slower than you. If you time the start of the maneuver right, the missile will try to track but fall out of the sky, sideways, away from you trying to change vector but failing miserably.

@tomriley5790 Жыл бұрын

@@GryphonArmorer you'll only get a lock tone when the missile seeker head activates which will be a few seconds from being hit - hard to evade at high speed and high altitude.

@Kim-J312 Жыл бұрын

Very cool , I love your channel 😁

@ambientfish1369 Жыл бұрын

In that scenario ie AWACS without escoŕt, surely the AWACS would run towards the nearest friendlies at medium altitude.

@texasknight5175 Жыл бұрын

Happy Sunday, Cap!

@mbull61 Жыл бұрын

How about the same scenario but with Meteor armed Typhoons from Romania?

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

They would be much closer. They'd also not have the 5th Gen stealth, so yeah. It would probably be a fun mission.

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

I'm the one who suggested this scenario the Grim Reapers went with. I didn't originally mention anything about Typhoons from Romania, so Cap set it up well according to the guidelines I suggested.

@stevebailey7633 Жыл бұрын

I mean, realistically, no AF planner is going to let the NATO awacs sit out there, relying solely on the F-15's to show up and save the day. That E3 would have bugged out and headed SW or west as fast as it can go. Its way to valuable an aircraft to risk. As well, NATO would be pushing tankers east to support its fighters. Those would be juicy alternative targets for the Migs.

@paulh5027 Жыл бұрын

Real time SAT view would see the 9 MIG-31 moved at airbases to the ready line. NATO would launch 2 F-15 EX with 8 missiles and 2 fuel tanks for escort of the E-3. Once the MIGS were on radar the F-15 would turn nose on and stay nose cold. The E-3 would bug out away from the MIG-31.

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

Yup and a strike at the AWACS is even more likely to come from an S-400 in Crimea. Then a counter strike on those by some JASSM carried by F-15s. AWACS withdraws over Romania. NATO air defenses take a shot at the Incoming missiles from the S-400. F-15s also take a shot at intercepting them.

@BBCRF Жыл бұрын

@@stupidburp хваленое ПВО нато не смогло сбить огромный БПЛА Ту-141,а ты хочешь ЗУР с-400 сбить 😂😂

@OscarZheng50 Жыл бұрын

i dont know what russia would think when 8 raptors shot down 9 mig 31s then proceeded to do a formation landing on a russian base

@skatman3278 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. To answer your question, yes. There are F-22s in Poland (12 I think) Be interesting to see how Typhoons would do with Meteor.

@user-uu6ve4ku8h Жыл бұрын

The main problem is that DCS modelyzed according to the open sources, but in Russia there are no open sources with real data.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Yes this is a real problem of course. China also.

@wonlop469 Жыл бұрын

Excellent episode. Would love to see what the Meteor could do in this scenario.

@elwoogie1963 Жыл бұрын

Any AWACS up will likely have a 2 ship escort, FYI.

@bobjones-bt9bh Жыл бұрын

no they don't not in this case. they're operating with impunity and have been continuously since before the start of the war. Look, they are well within SAM range from Crimea as we speak

@marcelneau4159 Жыл бұрын

F-14.... Speed and the Phoenix missile! Love to see that!

@carlosamponin2859 Жыл бұрын

"Near Lakenheath-" Me: Oh! I used to play sports there!

@michaelwheatley8394 Жыл бұрын

Hello! I'd really love to see this sort of scenario with the Eurofighter & Meteor, I wonder if their RCS is low "enough" that they can make the Meteor shot before getting shot down by the Mig-31s and their long range AAMs?

@Cbryer101 Жыл бұрын

Great flying!

@MrKramersmash Жыл бұрын

It really feels like that hammerhead missile overperforms. Otherwise you would think Russia would be using it more. I know in Ukraine their cruise missiles have a failure rate around 60%.

@bobjones-bt9bh Жыл бұрын

their missiles have nowhere near that failure rate, man

@whousley Жыл бұрын

I remember a scenerio where you guys using another very fast attack aircraft, Viggens, to hit an AWAKS. I suppose one could use an F-111 for that purpose too.

@jefftheriault5522 Жыл бұрын

Re-run with a tanker. Scenario starts with F15's / F22's on CAP, N.E. of AWACS , half on cruise, 90 percent fuel 2nd group - half topped up, half in queue for tanking.

@dwarvensmith80 Жыл бұрын

cap: call it whatever you want me: i call it a damn mach 2 missile truck

@markstott6689 Жыл бұрын

That was fun. Next! Please.

@feartheellipsis6608 Жыл бұрын

Random question: Can the AWACS datalink guide the missiles without the F-22 turning their radar on? They'd be a lot stealthier if they just mad dog them out and let the AWACS take the reins (if possible).

@ianrollinson7959 Жыл бұрын

yes f22 can see awacs info via data link, aim 260 have internal radar so can shoot and track targets without using the f22 radar., not sure about aim120d tho

@bruhmomento4590 Жыл бұрын

@@ianrollinson7959 aim 120D has an active radar, so yes

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

Probably.

@ianrollinson7959 Жыл бұрын

@@bruhmomento4590 cheers

@joelcreel6081 Жыл бұрын

Raptors lose their RAM coating when they exceed mack 1.8!

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

It’s fine, maintenance will grumble but it will get fixed.

@lordxandar480 Жыл бұрын

hey grim reapers, quick question about real life modules like for example : a mfd screens or landing gear modules. What would be the demand for those

@verdebusterAP Жыл бұрын

Very simple if there was possible aerial threat, the E-3 would have either EA-18G or EC-130H laying down electronic jamming preventing the MiG-31 from gaining a long range lock Forcing it come in to range of defending F-15EX whose AESA can also disrupt the MIG-31 Zaslon with ease Secondly the USAF would conduct counter air operations by launching ADM-160s and having them use their Signature Augmentation Subsystem (SAS) to create electronic decoy of E-3 to draw out MIG-31s while F-22s approach in stealth and smoke them

@wolfgangjr74 Жыл бұрын

Why wouldnt the AWACS just retreat?

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Yeh it would IRL, but proof of concept.

@bruschi8148 Жыл бұрын

The work this team puts in is incredible! By FAR the best there is with this type of content and nobody is even close! The dedication to realism is top notch and gets better every video..Absolutely love it

@RedneckRapture Жыл бұрын

So, I had a question based upon a response I saw in Quora that brought an existing tech to my attention. Is there any way to model Pandarra Fog with US Navy vessels? It's literally a smoke screen deployable from US Navy ships that acts as a visual, IR, and radar obscurant. From what I've read, it literally absorbs the radar waves from missile seekers. I imagine it's not 100% or even 75% effective at absorbing all the radar waves, but if employed like the similar IR smoke on tanks, it could cause a missile to break lock if the ships deploy the fog screens when they detect inbound missiles.

@cadennorris960 Жыл бұрын

US Navy, Royal Australian Navy and Royal Canadian Navy already use the Nulka decoy which from what I understand, can imitate the signature of a ship and lure Anti ship missiles away.

@jcadlols Жыл бұрын

I could be wrong but the cwis is radar guided, not to mention all of the aegis system. Could be pretty counter productive

@kevinzeh3559 Жыл бұрын

Didn't know You had Mark Strong as a member of the reapers. :)

@blasfisken Жыл бұрын

It would be very interesting to see this scenario with comparing Polish F-35s with Czech Gripens trying to protect the AWACS

@ztcajun Жыл бұрын

I have a question, when will yall be releasing the modern weapons mod? Or rather how close. These weapons are awesome

@mickemike2148 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff again! But man, I wish this map would be expanded west all the way to include Moldavia and a bit further north to include southern Poland and add all the airbases in this area.

@happysalesguy Жыл бұрын

If I'm angry against anyone, it's at the US for dropping the upgraded Phoenix missile and any other long-range air to air missiles.

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

Could have at least ordered sone Meteor missiles. They could have been built in the USA, no problem.

@Echo4Sierra4160 Жыл бұрын

F-22 could absolutely. The F-15 would have a problem as its radar cross section is actually bigger than the plane and the Mig-31 carries the R-37M

@michaeld1170 Жыл бұрын

turned the volume to max to listen to real F-15s just before virtual F-15’s sonic book busted my eardrums

@Stinger522 Жыл бұрын

Those Axheads really live up to their name with how they dropped down on you guys. I'm surprised the AWACS didn't call out their launches. If I was going up against Axhead shooters, I would definitely want Raptors in my corner.

@kenhelmers2603 Жыл бұрын

That was fun!

@vanguard9067 Жыл бұрын

“Side pylons” are called conformal fuel tanks. They have been added to F-16s fairly recently.

@segriffincom Жыл бұрын

Great video. Even if you had the F-22 in this situation, you'd have like what, 10% of all of them?

@wind_runner6836 Жыл бұрын

The US Air Force (USAF) has deployed 12 F-22 Raptor fighter aircraft to support NATO 's Air Shielding mission in Poland. The deployed aircraft are from the USAF's 90th Fighter Squadron (FS) based at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson (JBER) in Alaska. This was in Aug I think all 12 are still there. Even with DCS having problems with stealth I still think its a cool game lol.

@SWBB1000 Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t the AWAC, have some type of escort in the Black Sea?

@voidwalker9223 Жыл бұрын

Most likely would be a flight of 2 or 4 but I doubt f22s or f15x probably just a NATO f16s

@bobjones-bt9bh Жыл бұрын

lol...dude. Russia has SAM sites on Crimea that could shoot it down this literal minute. Cmon people. Russia is also flying from bases all over the area all the time. The US knows that Russia is not going to engage that aircraft

@RaV591 Жыл бұрын

Would you ever consider making the GR missile pack available for public download?

@logayn671 Жыл бұрын

I think cap said they will when someone can figure it out as well as when they think it’s finished?

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

When it's finished, but refuse to rush it.

@RaV591 Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Ah ok, perfect thanks.

@301_tyron5 Жыл бұрын

Great video!! If you do revise this, make sure to put Russian air defenses in crimea and nato air defenses in south Ukraine.

@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын

A "Gen 4" AWACS will probably be a smart skin/low observability platform. No more airliner/UFO combination!! 😄

@greenmountainpokemon2112 Жыл бұрын

Now would it change the outcome, if you had the AIM-260 equipped on max loadout?load out? Edit: I mean for the first simulation you ran!

@anthonywells3088 Жыл бұрын

The one issue I have with this scenario is that the NATO (USA) aircraft would of came from Romania and not Poland to protect the AWACS. So the distance would of been less.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

thx

@dexlab7539 Жыл бұрын

Actually no - only Poland has any F22 currently. So, CAP had the mission setup perfectly!

@anthonywells3088 Жыл бұрын

@@dexlab7539 He might, however, I would think overwatch would be a lot closer and I'm sure we move the F22's around. From my knowledge how overwatch works, they would of been closer. Also, don't think we don't have additional assists in Romania as the 101st is there now, so a lot of assets are in play.

@danielm81 Жыл бұрын

Since late summer until quite recently there were actually 8 Raptors stationing in Poland.

@danielm81 Жыл бұрын

I think they were still there in the time of the recording of this video.

@lordisback1947 Жыл бұрын

I think the maximum range of r-37m is 398 kms which is 214.92 nautical miles rather than 160 nautical miles and that's achievable if you can take the mig31 to near space for which it's famous of as the atmosphere will be thin and missile would catch up speed easily and will save lot of energy due to low drag at highest altitude of 114,000 feet or 35,000 metre but being real not world record making we can atleast take it to 90,000 feet for sure

@kevrockjockuk01 Жыл бұрын

YUP the F22`s at still at Lask AB Poland

@salembeeman370 Жыл бұрын

We def need more 5th gen fighters.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

You got plenty. US has 450 F-35 I think.

@francescoboselli6033 Жыл бұрын

2:10 my only question is why NATO would scramble aircraft based in Poland, instead of nearest aircrafts based in Romania? 🤔

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

I'm the one who came up with the scenario. I didn't include Romania or Typhoons in my request, so Cap did a great job of following the general guideline. So, I'm the reason why there weren't any Typhoons from Romania. You're probably right that there would have been? That's the reason, though, and Cap did a good job, as did the pilots.

@francescoboselli6033 Жыл бұрын

@@brianwesley28 thank you for the explanation

@kanagawakenji7 Жыл бұрын

60 kg = 132 lbs, wouldn't call that "nearly 200 lbs"

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

fine

@kanagawakenji7 Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Love your videos, by the way. Thank you for the content!

@eddiebruv Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t the AWACS move away from the threat? It’s just asking for trouble continuing on it’s preset track.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Almost certainly.

@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын

Hey just an idea here for a Ukraine video: France just announced that 2 batteries of Crotale air defense just arrived in Ukraine. can you simulate how effective they may be against different targets? If there is no Crotale system in game, then use the Chinese HQ-7 that was based on that system (It wont be a perfect analog but it will be fine enough).

@AbuBakr-gm6bf Жыл бұрын

Usless

@arandomredarmykomrade9529 Жыл бұрын

i know in growling sidewinders videos on the mig -31 that he didn't fair so well in the f14 but i think with a formation this big it is totally doable especially with the phoenix's extra range

@ivand5699 Жыл бұрын

Isnt the f14 extremely inferior compared to the f15?

@arandomredarmykomrade9529 Жыл бұрын

@@ivand5699 yeah but the phoenix's give it the extra range that they wanted to play around with using the aim-260 they are currently working on but isn't finished yet so it's trading being in an f-15 for having longer range weapons and radar (might not be right on radar due to their f-15 being a modernization mashup) i also think that the tomcat might be able to get up to speed quicker because it's full load isn't as non-aerodynamic as what their f-15 was carrying, it might also be able to get faster because of that though that might be a stretch, unless they make a super-tomcat mashup in the same vein as the f-15 they used in the video.

@Driveby-Viktum Жыл бұрын

Cap, Question about stealth: If you have stealth planes in formation flying in close formation, does the distance between the planes generate enough of a radar return to affect detection range, versus flying spread about or 500 m separation etc?

@ashblythe9598 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter stealth planes can be detected either way by low freq radar to find out which direction they are, can't lock on to them even if you are together or 50 miles apart.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Possibly in real life BUT in game we have tested this and 100% it makes no difference in game.

@Driveby-Viktum Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Thanks Cap! great scenarios as always! I especially love these " what if" scenarios that would 100% would not be possible in the real world.

@Gabriel_McMillan Жыл бұрын

Remarkable how different the results were in those two scenarios. Could you do the same thing once more with F-35s? I would expect a similar outcome, but just to see. Also, why no AIM-260s? Seems like you'd really want to have them for this mission. Is the DAS system modeled? Can you target the axehead missiles themselves? Seems like they would be hard to shoot down, but just curious. Otherwise, really interesting, and very glad you did this one.

@rebelliousfew Жыл бұрын

They’re using the AIM-120D, due to the 260 not yet being In service until roughly 2025.

@alexandermoorehead3200 Жыл бұрын

Cap said no F-35's because they don't have the speed for the mission. Mach 2.2 vs. 1.8 makes the difference for the F-22's. Every second counts against those AWACS killer missiles.

@Gabriel_McMillan Жыл бұрын

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a B1-R full of AIM-260s. Or maybe it's full of LRASM? Who can say? It can go Mach 2.2, and it's got the range for an AWACS defense or an AWACS sniping mission. What a perfect answer to the Mig-31s. In that scenario' i'd suggest having F-22s way out ahead of the B1-R, the idea being to keep them outside of the range where Mig-31s or AWACS could lock on to them, but also far enough ahead that they could fire on the Mig-31s before the Mig-31s can fire on the B1-R, and to sort of cover the B1-R's escape. Or... we could wait until Cap models the B-21. Does anyone know what the top speed for it is supposed to be? Sec Def said it essentially had global range without the need for aerial refueling, which makes me wonder how they did that. He also said it had a high speed at high altitude, but did not elaborate.

@Gabriel_McMillan Жыл бұрын

@@alexandermoorehead3200 Trouble with the B1-R is, would it be based close enough to assist a US AWACS? Could you just have one loitering around if needed to defend an AWACS? Maybe not. The AWACS defense issue is a real problem. It's difficult to solve. I have some ideas, but I'm not going to describe them on KZfaq comments sections, I regret to say.

@Gabriel_McMillan Жыл бұрын

@@alexandermoorehead3200 Essentially the same trouble with the F-22 though, as with the B1-R, unfortunately. They are not carrier based, and we usually don't base them outside of the United States, so they might not be available for AWACS defense either, in most theaters, on short notice. They've really gone with the F-35 fairly heavily.

@craigbringman7967 Жыл бұрын

How come the F-22 was equipped with the Aim 120 instead of the Aim 260

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

They're not deployed as of yet.

@craigbringman7967 Жыл бұрын

@@brianwesley28 so why did they just use it to fight the J-20

@brianwesley28 Жыл бұрын

@@craigbringman7967 It's expected to be in service next year sometime.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

I wanted to make this one as if it was right now, AIM-260 not yet active in real life.

@craigbringman7967 Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Ok sorry for the trouble

@Kevin-hb7yq Жыл бұрын

Prolly can fire yer missiles before you reach optimal target distance, with an incoming bogey traveling Mach+ the difference will be covered.

@dshupac Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Is the stealth cross section the same from all the aspects, or is it modelled more reallistically?

@5Andysalive Жыл бұрын

no. It's always the same in DCS. Unless it has been patched very recently.

@dshupac Жыл бұрын

@@5Andysalive thx. Maybe sometime they will patch it.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Stealth aspect is NOT modelled correctly in DCS. In fact to be accurate, it's actually modelled the wrong way around. Game not really set up for stealth. But, it's near enough to get a decent result.

@dshupac Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers We all wish for better things. Frankly dcs does not have stealth aircrafts. But i wonder if they would implement different rcs for different aspects of the plane? Would it overencumber the game much?

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

I think the vector calculations might be too cumbersome for accurate modeling but they could fudge it much better with relatively low performance impact. Essentially similar to lighting simulation.

@beck4218 Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@flickingbollocks5542 Жыл бұрын

Don't the Rooskies have an intergrated ground radar system? If a cRaptor is viewed from the side or beneath how big does it appear on radar?

@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын

After watching the video there's an aspect ignored. You are flying over Russian airspace - longer band ground RADARs will "see" F-22 perfectly well and guide fighters in or intercept with SAMs.

@jamison884 Жыл бұрын

Love the video as always, thanks! And as normal, I'm providing my humble input and comments below. As of ~11:30 into the video. I can't prove it, but I've always had the impression these missiles are over-modeled (since I first saw them perform in DCS). I think if they were this effective, we'd hear about it a whole lot more. For example, I know the Ukrainian war isn't huge on air-to-air battles, but I've read nothing about this missile besides the recent article stating Mig-31s were shooting them from range across the border. I've read way more about the PL-15 and Chinese missiles in development over the past year which included quotes from US military leadership, so I tend to use that as a general guide. The same goes for hypersonic weapons as another example, where there's a lot of coverage of those out of fear of Russian/Chinese hypersonic capabilities. However, besides my general speculation on the efficacy of the missile, I believe there's a simpler explanation for the range issue encountered here. I would certainly think any NATO AWACs in the air would be accompanied by a quick reaction force already in the air flying a circuit close by. I don't believe the US or NATO would put one of those valuable strategic assets at risk near a warzone without their own escort close enough to properly defend their AWACs if it did come under threat. From their perspective, even if they are close to the UA border, over the sea, and even west of UA, there certainly isn't a guarantee that Russian forces in the air, in the sea, or from land (long-range missiles) will not attack them, either on purpose or by mistake. On the other hand, I understand why you set the jets out there, as adding a race to the battle area is a fun engagement.

@rebelliousfew Жыл бұрын

I don’t believe the R-37M Is over-modeled by any means. And the reason why you don’t hear of such air-kills with this missile over Ukraine, Is simply because the media, mainly Western and Ukrainian, does their best to censor stuff like this out from the internet. So, basically, this missile Is actually extremely effective, especially In larger numbers where the kill rate Is much higher. And, even If NATO had a QRF ready to defend the AWACS, If you put about 12 MIG-31’s In the air from Sevastopol, you could most certainly land at least one shot on the AWACS, so, either way, NATO needs to be extremely cautious of this threat, and that’s not counting the S-400 sites.

@cthomas3782 Жыл бұрын

I think the KZfaq algorithm has restricted this video for some reason. I only got it suggested in my feed today and havent seen it on the GR home page before now either. Make sure to like and comment to help boost them back up.