Silverquill Lecturer is actually underrated for Energy decks. A lot of cheap creatures have ETB gain 1 or 2 Energy. If all of a sudden you're doubling up those ETB triggers and getting 4 Energy and 2 bodies, you don't really care that you're giving an opponent one. I don't necessarily think it'll be an All-Star in the deck, but I think it'll be a card you'll hesitate to cut after you see it in action a few times.

They're finally putting out the lost Kaladesh Commander precon.

Silverquill Lecturer might be fun with the new Kambal

I'm looking to smash this and the fallout deck together - looking at artifacts + energy - if anyone comes up with a sick deck with either of the fallout commanders i'd love to see it!

Cayth will really work only if you have Decoction Module and Izzet Generatorium, at which point each creature entering the battlefield gives you at least ee. I wouldn't keep the Lecturer in the deck, especially when I can use Consulate Surveillance, which essentially becomes "cirlce of protection from damage" as long as you can generate a ton of energy, just remember to keep up some protection against enchantment destruction or bounce effects. Don't forget the single best all-star in a Jeskai Energy deck--Whirler Virtuoso. The Conversion Apparatus should always be "t: add urw" because energy is a lot easier to gain than people think. Brudiclad, Combustible Gearhulk, and Myr Battlesphere--no, just take those out and put better options in like Paharmonicon. I plan on reworking this to go all-in on energy.

Interesting to note: Aurora shifter *does stay as the copy* . It doesn't have the "until end of turn clause".

Brudiclad is in the deck because you can copy a a creature with Satya's ability, and then Brudiclad can then make all of your other tokens into a copy of that creature token. It's a bit awkward with Satya being an attack trigger, after Brudiclad has already triggered for the turn, but it gives more value to paying the energy to have the token Satya creates stick around

Just playtested this deck a bit on Moxfield. Tbh. I guess I got some lucky draws, but found out, that its not too hard to get infinite combats with your Commander + Lightning Runner and some other ETB energy creature. Does not necessarly mean that you win, if they have good blocks, but definitely a strong line of play for a precon.

Silverquill Lecturer coul be sneakily good because you produce second copies of your energy creatures that get better with more energy. meanwhile gifting an opponent an energy creature will likely not do much for them. For example the very next card Aurora Shifter does nothing if you don't already have produced energy. So you're giving an opponent a vanilla 1/3 blocker while you get a second Aurora Shifter, who is basically a clone for 2 mana instad of 4 that can produce ridiculous amounts of energy, if it connects. Your opponents Aurora Shifter is really just a 1/3 because they have to attack and not get blocked TWICE to gather enough energy to then be able on the THIRD attack to turn their version into something better. That's nearly impossible or just too slow.

Can we stop getting the temples in expensiveprecons

I don't get how deck whose commander creates tokens and generates energy getting a backup commander that copies tokens and proliferates energy is in any way confusing or disappointing. Backup commanders in these decks are usually designed to work with the commander but also be a starting off point for a different type of deck, aren't they?

I’m beyond excited for this deck!

Cayth is my dream artificer tribal commander and I'm so excited to play it. That said, Cayth is a terrible commander for the precon, but makes perfect sense as the back up for the face commander who, you know, makes tokens which Cayth can populate.

im excited as i have been very carfully working on the Madison Li deck so more tech will be cool

IMO the best way to build Satya will be to ignore Energy entirely. Thing of him more as a "Blink"-commander. Slam in tons of creatures with great ETBs, a token-doubler, and some "can't be blocked" equipment, and just attack your way to value town. If you wanna keep your tokens, that's what Sundial of the Infinite is for. ProTip no matter how you build him: Silent Arbiter. Makes Satya unblockable (because Menace), and your token lets you cheat the "only one attacker" effect.

Print the battlebond lands already.

I am so pleased that I preordered both of the energy decks for much less money. Since no one wanted them, they decreased heavily in price before they were even released.

there is an infinite combo out of the box😂 glad i pre ordered this one

Anyone else notice Tomer had a simic creature as an example of a creature to add in this Jeskai deck? I know you have to get creative when building budget commander decks but breaking the rules seems extreme. But hey if you want to add Empyreal Voyager hopefully Seth Richard and Crim wont notice.

Silverquill Lecturer in play, cast Phage the Untouchable with demonstrate from hand. Opponent must resolve their copy first and their copy, while cast, was not cast from hand. One problem is that you will lose right after they do when your copy resolves if another opponent is alive. So more limited than other Phage combos. But only two colors and doesn't need the graveyard.

I'm happy I pre-ordered this one!

Overclocked Electromancer is gonna go really well in Neyith - an 8/4 for 3 mana? Bring it on!

Can you make a kinda budget group hug deck using Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis

I still wish this was temur energy...BUUUT, nothing stopping me from making 4 color energy!

I plan to use Cayth mixed with ETB energy creators and blinking to create a wide board and lots of energy and then use energy payoffs like lightning runner or scurry of gremlins to try and win. Probably not very good but that's the plan. I do hate the look of both commanders. I like Cayth but I do get wanting another energy commander.

6:15 I get that you are upset he is not an energy commander but apart from that he is a really good and versatile commander. You can go blink since fabricate is an etb ability, Tokens, counters or artifact creature or creature copies since you have blue and red. Not to mention he is jeskai which traditionally only gets non-creature matters decks so he is a new territory for the colour trio.

Is this looking like a better energy deck than the Fallout precon? I feel like that one may have leaned a bit more fully into energy, but I don't quite remember (and without playing them it's difficult for me to tell for sure).

I'm still deciding if I want to buy this deck and then mix n match with the fallout precon

Demonstrate makes some sense for all the Energy generating ETBs. Boost yourself and give an opponent a creature that is mid if they're not also playing Energy. Definitely not a power card in the deck, and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up in the cut pile, but I can see *why* it's there.

So what I'm hearing is 'Murica Deck?

The good old Suncleanser card is going to be highly sought to counter the soon-to-be ubiquity of Energy. Surprised it didn't change with Rads/Energy after Fallout tbh

I've been racking my brain for a good commander to get green and red energy going together. I guess that's the downside of a minimally supported mechanic. Can't really find anything thematic that would fit outside of like fancy mana dorks or generic 'value' commanders making token copies of burnished hart then sacrificing the token for the ramp seems... fairly solid I'm guessing that's the idea with legion loyalty too, get all those etb energy bumps I guess the whole bruticlad sidequest is just paying the energy to keep a really good satya token then using bruticlad and the fabricate stuff to mass produce copies? Considering the commander ability bruticlad is probably good enough but i'd probably drop the fabricate guys for some thopter stuff

Yo anyone else ignoring the energy part of sataya and just building the face guy like jeskai jaxis?

What's with the green cards?

I’m going to to be I like doctor lii as the commander more but I think getting both deck and smashing them together will be a great start for an engine deck

This deck seems pretty nice But i agree some cards while good in the deck could be more energy focused because the energy cards we have are still quite limited Just for more diversity I think i will build breya energy 😄

I would have preferred a Temur deck. Would have made it more distinct from the fallout deck and allows the use of some of the classic cards form the Standard Energy deck like Longtusk Cub and Bristling Hydra

Caithy infect sounds good

Over clock electro guy plus that one that gives+x x=energy means you have X+4x2 for ark assuming you only have 2 energy that Is still now a 8/8 if it works the way I think it does o.o

Empyreal Voyager does not work with Satya, it is a simic card, but otherwise, great spoiler and suggestions!

Man, was expecting some spicier new cards

Localozed Destruction is really good in Bess..sure, she'll probably die, but your 1/1s will all be safe! And yes, you need to build Bess herself up again, but if the choice is "lose all your creatures (with a normal wipe) vs lose only Bess", the latter is preferable every time!

I want Silverquill Lecturer as my commander lol

3:31 Empyreal Voyager in Jeskai how?

Cayth is good for the planeswalkers

Ehhh, did they worded Satya wrong? It says: The mana value of the token. But tokens have 0 mana value! So you have to pay 0Mana, for the token to stick around!? Am I getting something wrong?

When will the Eldrazi be up next ??

Cayth probably has to be the coolest KCI commander ever

As usual the deck i am interested in is gonna be spoiled last 😅

Very confused on the assessment of the mana rock? It says 3 mana to make 3 energy, but Tomer kept saying 4. Was it just a misread?

They should have made the sphinx legendary and made her the secondary or tertiary commander

"you don't have to run artifacts" but robots 😭😭

For me this was the least exciting of the bunch. Looking forward to the jund one!

In Cayth's defense Satya really isn't an energy Commander either. Satya feels like a: clone creatures for value until you take infinite combat steps commander. I think running energy producers and payoffs makes Satya weaker than running some kind of Jeskai aggro deck. Dr. Madison Li is the only one that actually feels like an Energy commander.

The member photos in this chat are spicy 🔥.

I mean, Dr Madison li is the only energy commander that makes sense with the a real energy deck. She has strong payoffs, and easy energy generation. Idk why she’s hated on

14:39 If Aurora Shifter is on the field with Salvation Colossus and it shifts into the Colossus, it’ll generate 11 energy instead of 9. Don’t forget the +2/+2 and indestructible trigger on attack.

Am I the only one who notices you can't run empyral voyager in this deck😂

Just sad they did two energy decks back to back in the exact same colours. Black and green has some fun energy cards to….

I like they are working on making energy a thing, but this is just another pile of cards that have/do things with energy and looks to win with combat. I mean if thats what your wanting to do, just play gruul. Its another miss, I really hope they design another energy deck with some funky theme at last.

Izzet genita…….

So much card that don't synergize at all😢

Premium product, has 20 basic lands, okay, that makes a lot of sense. Specially considering that the Precons for the Doctor Who set had better mana bases and where quite a bit cheaper. Really dunno what Wizards is thinking. I mean, there are some solid reprints, but why is the mana base always so bad? :/

This guy is very cute

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Good reprint value i am just zero interested in the energy theme

Uh, dude. I think you need to get some more sleep. Cayth os actually good. She helps you make token, proliferating not only the +1/+1 countwrs from fabricate, but all proliferating all those energy counters. She is not disappointing, she actually works well in tandem with the face commander or as the head of the deck.

If this was the magnun opus for the Fallout energy deck then they missed the mark, wait they missed the whole target, where is the synergy?, where is the payoff of get this deck and the next one will make it good? nothing here makes the fallout energy deck better, what a waste.

Very unlike you Tomer, it seems you did not take enough time to analyze why certain cards are in the deck. Besides often just saying „this card creates energy“ - although its main draw is the energy payoff (like extra combats), you did not hit the mark as good as other times with your evaluation. For example: Maybe some people are tired of seeing Myr Battlesphere, but it’s obviously quite good with the commander. Also Legions Landing? What does it have to do with tokens? It’s in the deck because of the ETB and combat damage triggers, almost all of our creatures have. ;)

Tomer says its pay 4 mana for 3 energy and then says its only 3 energy to make 3 mana. My guy do you count the artifact taping for mana as a cost of 1 mana or not. Because a mana and 3 energy to make 3 mana is also meh. And i dislike the argument that any card that has a mana ability and any other ability at the same time means that the true cost is increased.

what's with all the overweight old women characters?

The back up commander is so fkn ugly

Wow another shitty manabase in a premium precon

U woukd be suprised how broken a 2 mana sink populate is lmao Making guant copy token's is ez same with justbgiantbidiot tokens i general

I don't know why you don't do this with the group. I want to hear everyone's opinions on all the cards. I hate the way you guys do your favorite cards from sets now. I miss when you did each player picks a bunch of cars from each color. It was better because now only talking about like five cards in an hour and a half sucks as a group